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30 Apr 2007 04:54:03 PM |
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Albert Einstein Not Far Off Track. |
"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
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30 Apr 2007 05:26:08 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
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"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
Actually, Einstein, who was born into a Jewish family, never said this. I
rather doubt that Albert ever, in his entire life, read "the Gospel."
But, since you mention it, here are some things Einstein _did_ say:
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a
lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal
God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something
is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration
for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side
Here he was referring to people doing what you're doing: systematically
repeating the lie that he believed in the Judeo-Christian god. He says
unequivocally that he does not.
"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the
manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is
this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious
attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man."
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of
what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of
human beings."
"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that
goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!"
I wonder what he'd have to say about the war in Iraq.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his
creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who
is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the
individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such
thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."
"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological
concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or
goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining
morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based
effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious
basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be
restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
"I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the
actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of
his own creation...My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the
infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with
our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality
is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God."
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a
will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I
want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let
feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am
satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness
and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together
with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of
the Reason that manifests itself in nature."
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could
be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent
structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a
thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious
feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
"Why do you write to me 'God should punish the English'? I have no close
connection to either one or the other. I see only with deep regret that God
punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which
only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His
nonexistence could excuse Him."
"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to
be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve."
And, last but not least:
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a
vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the
betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver,
especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."
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-Infidelis Maximus
Read my assailment of all things phony and false (especially religion) at:
http://infidelismaximus.blogspot.com. Subscribe to the RSS feed to get my
ramblings delivered to you automatically.
Read "The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read." If the book is wrong
and your faith is strong, it shouldn't hurt you one bit. But if the book is
right, it could open your eyes.
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04 May 2007 10:45:08 AM |
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On Apr 30, 6:26 pm, "Infidelis Maximus" <dontspa...@file13.net> wrote:
<vivapadre...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1177970043.214315.282070@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
Actually, Einstein, who was born into a Jewish family, never said this. I
rather doubt that Albert ever, in his entire life, read "the Gospel."
Evidence? Or is your grubby little opinion supposed to suffice?
But, since you mention it, here are some things Einstein _did_ say:
Uh, who cares what he said? Einstein is overrrated as a superstar
scientist. Even if he were truly the greatest intellect God ever
created,
it is pointless. Any man only has opinions and beliefs, mostly based
on personal experiences, biases, etc. Only losers like you live by
what others have said, apparently unable to think very well on their
own.
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| User: "Infidelis Maximus" |
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04 May 2007 11:04:57 AM |
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Evidence? Or is your grubby little opinion supposed to suffice?
But, since you mention it, here are some things Einstein _did_ say:
Uh, who cares what he said?
Then who cares what he did, moron? You obviously do or you wouldn't have
read the thread.
As for evidence, try reading the entirety of a message before you reply,
will you? You make such an ***** of yourself when you don't. Really, it's
okay--take your time. Take a deep breath, get ahold of your inexplicable
ego, and just read the post. If you struggle with some of the bigger words,
I'm sure some of the high school grads from the groups here will be happy to
help.
--
-Infidelis Maximus
Read my assailment of all things phony and false (especially religion) at:
http://infidelismaximus.blogspot.com. Subscribe to the RSS feed to get my
ramblings delivered to you automatically.
Read "The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read." If the book is wrong
and your faith is strong, it shouldn't hurt you one bit. But if the book is
right, it could open your eyes.
Einstein is overrrated as a superstar
scientist. Even if he were truly the greatest intellect God ever
created,
it is pointless. Any man only has opinions and beliefs, mostly based
on personal experiences, biases, etc. Only losers like you live by
what others have said, apparently unable to think very well on their
own.
<floresrikitic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 30, 6:26 pm, "Infidelis Maximus" <dontspa...@file13.net> wrote:
<vivapadre...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1177970043.214315.282070@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
Actually, Einstein, who was born into a Jewish family, never said this.
I
rather doubt that Albert ever, in his entire life, read "the Gospel."
Evidence? Or is your grubby little opinion supposed to suffice?
But, since you mention it, here are some things Einstein _did_ say:
Uh, who cares what he said? Einstein is overrrated as a superstar
scientist. Even if he were truly the greatest intellect God ever
created,
it is pointless. Any man only has opinions and beliefs, mostly based
on personal experiences, biases, etc. Only losers like you live by
what others have said, apparently unable to think very well on their
own.
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04 May 2007 12:33:39 PM |
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On May 4, 12:04 pm, "Infidelis Maximus" <dontspa...@file13.net> wrote:
Evidence? Or is your grubby little opinion supposed to suffice?
But, since you mention it, here are some things Einstein _did_ say:
Uh, who cares what he said?
Then who cares what he did, moron? You obviously do or you wouldn't have
read the thread.
It's called light entertainment, grubby.
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| User: "Infidelis Maximus" |
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05 May 2007 01:36:02 AM |
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R-i-g-h-t. You ask inane questions on threads you don't care about to
enlighten others. This is called me telling you kiss my *****.
Be careful, now, I might have to come an infest your computer again. Since
you're so enlightened that you use your actual email address on a public
newsgroup, I'll be happy to come enlighten your machine for you with all
sorts of adware.
--
-Infidelis Maximus
Read my assailment of all things phony and false (especially religion) at:
http://infidelismaximus.blogspot.com. Subscribe to the RSS feed to get my
ramblings delivered to you automatically.
Read "The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You To Read." If the book is wrong
and your faith is strong, it shouldn't hurt you one bit. But if the book is
right, it could open your eyes.
<floresrikitic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178300019.140635.174170@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On May 4, 12:04 pm, "Infidelis Maximus" <dontspa...@file13.net> wrote:
Evidence? Or is your grubby little opinion supposed to suffice?
But, since you mention it, here are some things Einstein _did_ say:
Uh, who cares what he said?
Then who cares what he did, moron? You obviously do or you wouldn't have
read the thread.
It's called light entertainment, grubby.
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| User: "Mike" |
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04 May 2007 12:01:09 PM |
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On May 4, 11:45 am, wrote:
On Apr 30, 6:26 pm, "Infidelis Maximus" <dontspa...@file13.net> wrote:
Uh, who cares what he said? Einstein is overrrated as a superstar
scientist.
It is one thing to have an opinion that Einstein is overrated
when he comments on the existence or nonexistence of God or when his
political views are quoted. It is quite another thing to say that he
was "overrated as a superstar scientist". If you believe that then
you are woefully ignorant of twentieth century physics. It never
ceases to amuse me to read ignorant cranks who offer flippant opinions
about relativity or quantum mechanics while using a computer to
transmit the message.
Even if he were truly the greatest intellect God ever
created,
it is pointless. Any man only has opinions and beliefs, mostly based
on personal experiences, biases, etc. Only losers like you live by
what others have said, apparently unable to think very well on their
own.
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| User: "" |
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04 May 2007 12:31:51 PM |
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On May 4, 1:01 pm, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On May 4, 11:45 am, wrote:
On Apr 30, 6:26 pm, "Infidelis Maximus" <dontspa...@file13.net> wrote:
Uh, who cares what he said? Einstein is overrrated as a superstar
scientist.
It is one thing to have an opinion that Einstein is overrated
when he comments on the existence or nonexistence of God or when his
political views are quoted. It is quite another thing to say that he
was "overrated as a superstar scientist". If you believe that then
you are woefully ignorant of twentieth century physics.
I have a BS degree in physics dimwit.
It never
ceases to amuse me to read ignorant cranks who offer flippant opinions
about relativity or quantum mechanics while using a computer to
transmit the message.
Learn to read better. I have made no mention of either q.m. or
special
or general relativity. BTW, why not tell us the extent of your
knowledge on either. It never ceases to amaze me to read the
blatherings
of armchair dimwits throwing subjects around they know little about.
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| User: "Mike" |
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04 May 2007 12:55:40 PM |
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On May 4, 1:31 pm, wrote:
On May 4, 1:01 pm, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On May 4, 11:45 am, wrote:
On Apr 30, 6:26 pm, "Infidelis Maximus" <dontspa...@file13.net> wrote:
Uh, who cares what he said? Einstein is overrrated as a superstar
scientist.
It is one thing to have an opinion that Einstein is overrated
when he comments on the existence or nonexistence of God or when his
political views are quoted. It is quite another thing to say that he
was "overrated as a superstar scientist". If you believe that then
you are woefully ignorant of twentieth century physics.
I have a BS degree in physics dimwit.
It never
ceases to amuse me to read ignorant cranks who offer flippant opinions
about relativity or quantum mechanics while using a computer to
transmit the message.
Learn to read better. I have made no mention of either q.m. or
special
or general relativity. BTW, why not tell us the extent of your
knowledge on either. It never ceases to amaze me to read the
blatherings
of armchair dimwits throwing subjects around they know little about.
PhD mathematics (research specialty algebraic topology), graduate
level general relativity and QM. I have taught a so called
"theoretical physics" course on Langranian and Hamiltonian formalisms
and so forth.
How shall I learn to better read your sentence "Einstein was
overrated as a superstar scientist". I vociferously disagree with
that statement and will cheerfully argue the point at any degree of
technical detail you like. Would you care to suggest a greater
scientist of the 20th century? Perhaps it is a little unfair to
people like Schrodinger, Dirac, Feynman etc. that Einstein has so
captured the public imagination and that they get so little name
recognition. But great as they were I do not put them quite on
Einstein's level. Care to disagree?
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04 May 2007 01:46:32 PM |
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On May 4, 1:55 pm, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On May 4, 1:31 pm, wrote:
On May 4, 1:01 pm, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On May 4, 11:45 am, wrote:
On Apr 30, 6:26 pm, "Infidelis Maximus" <dontspa...@file13.net> wrote:
Uh, who cares what he said? Einstein is overrrated as a superstar
scientist.
It is one thing to have an opinion that Einstein is overrated
when he comments on the existence or nonexistence of God or when his
political views are quoted. It is quite another thing to say that he
was "overrated as a superstar scientist". If you believe that then
you are woefully ignorant of twentieth century physics.
I have a BS degree in physics dimwit.
It never
ceases to amuse me to read ignorant cranks who offer flippant opinions
about relativity or quantum mechanics while using a computer to
transmit the message.
Learn to read better. I have made no mention of either q.m. or
special
or general relativity. BTW, why not tell us the extent of your
knowledge on either. It never ceases to amaze me to read the
blatherings
of armchair dimwits throwing subjects around they know little about.
PhD mathematics (research specialty algebraic topology), graduate
level general relativity and QM. I have taught a so called
"theoretical physics" course on Langranian and Hamiltonian formalisms
and so forth.
Those Continental Institute of Technology, Science & Fashion Design
credentials don't mean much to me Cletus.
How shall I learn to better read your sentence "Einstein was
overrated as a superstar scientist".
Well, for starters, you could not add the subjects of relativity and
q.m.
as there was no mention of either. How many times do things have
to be repeated to you? BTW, Einstein had nothing to do with q.m.,
and disagreed with the whole new physics of the q.m.
gang from the '20s. There are high school science students who
even know this. Where the hell have you been?
<rest of your silly bluster snipped>
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| User: "Mike" |
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04 May 2007 07:48:30 PM |
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On May 4, 2:46 pm, wrote:
On May 4, 1:55 pm, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On May 4, 1:31 pm, wrote:
On May 4, 1:01 pm, Mike <mat...@hofstra.edu> wrote:
On May 4, 11:45 am, wrote:
On Apr 30, 6:26 pm, "Infidelis Maximus" <dontspa...@file13.net> wrote:
you are woefully ignorant of twentieth century physics.
Those Continental Institute of Technology, Science & Fashion Design
credentials don't mean much to me Cletus.
)PhD Universsity of Chicago.
How shall I learn to better read your sentence "Einstein was
overrated as a superstar scientist".
Well, for starters, you could not add the subjects of relativity and
q.m.
as there was no mention of either.
If I misunderstood you, I will forward an apology. Mostly I
find that people on usenet who say things like "Einstein was
overrtted" are antirelativity cranks and quackers. Sorry to
erroneously accuse you of that.
How many times do things have
to be repeated to you? BTW, Einstein had nothing to do with q.m.,
and disagreed with the whole new physics of the q.m.
gang from the '20s.
That is a ridiculous mistatememt. After Max Planck figured out
the quantum nature of light, Einstein extended the analysis and then
showed that the hypothesis of quantization of light energy also
applied to explain the photoelectric efect. Einstein was wrong about
the issue of nonlocality, but he was a major player in the efforts to
figure out the right way to understand quantum mechanics.
There are high school science students who
even know this. Where the hell have you been?
<rest of your silly bluster snipped>
To repeat my question. You care to suggest anybody in the
twentieth century as a better phyicist than Einstein? If so then tell
me who.
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30 Apr 2007 10:34:06 PM |
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
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"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art at
Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an avowed
atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced
it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn't
find joy in anything. Anything that wasn't seen, touched, or felt, he had no
faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent
of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with
religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what
science said, there was nothing else.
On June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm had a near-death experience
due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was forever changed. His
near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound,
afterlife experience I have ever documented. His life was so immensely
changed after his near-death experience that he resigned as a professor and
devoted his time to attending the United Theological Seminary to become a
United Church of Christ minister. The following is the account of Pastor
Howard Storm's near-death experience, which is an excerpt from his book, My
Descent Into Death, reprinted by permission.
Struggling to say goodbye to my wife, I wrestled with my emotions. Telling
her that I loved her very much was as much of a goodbye as I could utter
because of my emotional distress.
Sort of relaxing and closing my eyes, I waited for the end. This was it, I
felt. This was the big nothing, the big blackout, the one you never wake up
from, the end of existence. I had absolute certainty that there was nothing
beyond this life - because that was how really smart people understood it.
While I was undergoing this stress, prayer or anything like that never
occurred to me. I never once thought about it. If I mentioned God's name at
all it was only as a profanity.
For a time there was a sense of being unconscious or asleep. I'm not sure
how long it lasted, but I felt really strange, and I opened my eyes. To my
surprise I was standing up next to the bed, and I was looking at my body
laying in the bed.
My first reaction was, "This is crazy! I can't be standing here looking down
at myself. That's not possible."
This wasn't what I expected, this wasn't right. Why was I still alive? I
wanted oblivion. Yet I was looking at a thing that was my body, and it just
didn't have that much meaning to me.
Now knowing what was happening, I became upset. I started yelling and
screaming at my wife, and she just sat there like a stone. She didn't look
at me, she didn't move - and I kept screaming profanities to get her to pay
attention. Being confused, upset, and angry, I tried to get the attention of
my room-mate, with the same result. He didn't react.
I wanted this to be a dream, and I kept saying to myself, "This has got to
be a dream."
But I knew that it wasn't a dream. I became aware that strangely I felt more
alert, more aware, more alive than I had ever felt in my entire life. All my
senses were extremely acute. Everything felt tingly and alive. The floor was
cool and my bare feet felt moist and clammy. This had to be real. I squeezed
my fists and was amazed at how much I was feeling in my hands just by making
a fist.
Then I heard my name. I heard, "Howard, Howard - come here."
Wondering, at first, where it was coming from, I discovered that it was
originating in the doorway. There were different voices calling me.
I asked who they were, and they said, "We are here to take care of you. We
will fix you up. Come with us."
Asking, again, who they were, I asked them if they were doctors and nurses.
They responded, "Quick, come see. You'll find out."
As I asked them questions they gave evasive answers. They kept giving me a
sense of urgency, insisting that I should step through the doorway.
With some reluctance I stepped into the hallway, and in the hallway I was in
a fog, or a haze. It was a light-colored haze. It wasn't a heavy haze. I
could see my hand, for example, but the people who were calling me were 15
or 20 feet ahead, and I couldn't see them clearly. They were more like
silhouettes, or shapes, and as I moved toward them they backed off into the
haze. As I tried to get close to them to identify them, they quickly
withdrew deeper into the fog. So I had to follow into the fog deeper and
deeper.
These strange beings kept urging me to come with them.
I repeatedly asked them where we were going, and they responded, "Hurry up,
you'll find out."
They wouldn't answer anything. The only response was insisting that I hurry
up and follow them.
They told me repeatedly that my pain was meaningless and unnecessary. "Pain
is *****," they said.
I knew that we had been traveling for miles, but I occasionally had the
strange ability to look back and see the hospital room. My body was still
there lying motionless on the bed. My perspective at these times was as if I
were floating above the room looking down. It seemed millions and millions
of miles away. Looking back into the room, I saw my wife and my room-mate,
and I decided they had not been able to help me so I would go with these
people.
Walking for what seemed to be a considerable distance, these beings were all
around me. They were leading me through the haze. I don't know how long.
There was a real sense of timelessness about the experience. In a real sense
I am unaware of how long it was, but it felt like a long time - maybe even
days or weeks.
As we traveled, the fog got thicker and darker, and the people began to
change. At first they seemed rather playful and happy, but when we had
covered some distance, a few of them began to get aggressive. The more
questioning and suspicious I was, the more antagonistic and rude and
authoritarian they became. They began to make jokes about my bare rear end
which wasn't covered by my hospital dicky and about how pathetic I was. I
knew they were talking about me, but when I tried to find out exactly what
they were saying they would say, "Shhhhh, he can hear you, he can hear you."
Then, others would seem to caution the aggressive ones. It seemed that I
could hear them warn the aggressive ones to be careful or I would be
frightened away.
Wondering what was happening, I continued to ask questions, and they
repeatedly urged me to hurry and to stop asking questions. Feeling uneasy,
especially since they continued to get aggressive, I considered returning,
but I didn't know how to get back. I was lost. There were no features that I
could relate to. There was just the fog and a wet, clammy ground, and I had
no sense of direction.
All my communication with them took place verbally just as ordinary human
communication occurs. They didn't appear to know what I was thinking, and I
didn't know what they were thinking. What was increasingly obvious was that
they were liars and help was farther away the more I stayed with them.
Hours ago, I had hoped to die and end the torment of life. Now things were
worse as I was forced by a mob of unfriendly and cruel people toward some
unknown destination in the darkness. They began shouting and hurling insults
at me, demanding that I hurry along. And they refused to answer any
question. Finally, I told them that I wouldn't go any farther. At that time
they changed completely. They became much more aggressive and insisted that
I was going with them. A number of them began to push and shove me, and I
responded by hitting back at them.
A wild orgy of frenzied taunting, screaming and hitting ensued. I fought
like a wild man. All the while it was obvious that they were having great
fun. It seemed to be, almost, a game for them, with me as the center-piece
of their amusement. My pain became their pleasure. They seemed to want to
make me hurt - by clawing at me and biting me. Whenever I would get one off
me, there were five more to replace the one.
By this time it was almost complete darkness, and I had the sense that
instead of there being twenty or thirty, there were an innumerable host of
them. Each one seemed set on coming in for the sport they got from hurting
me. My attempts to fight back only provoked greater merriment. They began to
physically humiliate me in the most degrading ways. As I continued to fight
on and on, I was aware that they weren't in any hurry to win. They were
playing with me just as a cat plays with a mouse. Every new assault brought
howls of cacophony. Then at some point, they began to tear off pieces of my
flesh. To my horror I realized I was being taken apart and eaten alive,
slowly, so that their entertainment would last as long a possible.
At no time did I ever have any sense that the beings who seduced and
attacked me were anything other than human beings. The best way I can
describe them is to think of the worst imaginable person stripped of every
impulse to do good. Some of them seemed to be able to tell others what to
do, but I had no sense of any structure or hierarchy in an organizational
sense. They didn't appear to be controlled or directed by anyone. Basically
they were a mob of beings totally driven by unbridled cruelty and passions.
During our struggle I noticed that they seemed to feel no pain. Other than
that they appeared to possess no special nonhuman or superhuman abilities.
Although during my initial experience with them I assumed that they were
clothed, in our intimate physical contact I never felt any clothing
whatsoever.
Fighting well and hard for a long time, ultimately I was spent. Lying there
exhausted amongst them, they began to calm down since I was no longer the
amusement that I had been. Most of the beings gave up in disappointment
because I was no longer amusing, but a few still picked and gnawed at me and
ridiculed me for no longer being any fun. By this time I had been pretty
much taken apart. People were still picking at me, occasionally, and I just
lay there all torn up, unable to resist.
Exactly what happened was ... and I'm not going to try and explain this.
From inside of me I felt a voice, my voice, say: "Pray to God." My mind
responded to that: "I don't pray. I don't know how to pray." This is a guy
lying on the ground in the darkness surrounded by what appeared to be dozens
if not hundreds and hundreds of vicious creatures who had just torn him up.
The situation seemed utterly hopeless, and I seemed beyond any possible help
whether I believed in God or not. The voice again told me to pray to God. It
was a dilemma since I didn't know how. The voice told me a third time to
pray to God.
I started saying things like: "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want ...
God bless America .." and anything else that seemed to have a religious
connotation. And these people went into a frenzy, as if I had thrown boiling
oil all over them. They began yelling and screaming at me, telling me to
quit, that there was no God, and no one could hear me. While they screamed
and yelled obscenities, they also began backing away from me - as if I were
poison. As they were retreating, they became more rabid, cursing and
screaming that what I was saying was worthless and that I was a coward.
I screamed back at them: "Our Father who art in heaven," and similar ideas.
This continued for some time until, suddenly, I was aware that they had
left. It was dark, and I was alone yelling things that sounded churchy. It
was pleasing to me that these churchy sayings had such an effect on those
awful beings.
Lying there for a long time, I was in such a state of hopelessness, and
blackness, and despair, that I had no way of measuring how long it was. I
was just lying there in an unknown place - all torn and ripped. And I had no
strength; it was all gone. It seemed as if I were sort of fading out, that
any effort on my part would expend the last energy I had. My conscious sense
was that I was perishing, or just sinking into the darkness.
Then a most unusual thing happened. I heard very clearly, once again in my
own voice, something that I had learned in nursery Sunday School. It was the
little song: "Jesus loves me, yes I know ..." and it kept repeating. I don't
know why, but all of a sudden I wanted to believe that. Not having anything
left, I wanted to cling to that thought. And ... and I, inside, screamed:
"Jesus, please save me." That thought was screamed with every ounce of
strength and feeling left in me.
When I did that, I saw, off in the darkness somewhere, the tiniest little
star. Not knowing what it was, I presumed it must be a comet or a meteor,
because it was moving rapidly. Then I realized it was coming toward me. It
was getting very bright, rapidly. When the light came near, its radiance
spilled over me, and I just rose up - not with my effort - I just lifted up.
Then I saw - and I saw this very plainly - I saw all my wounds, all my
tears, all my brokenness, melt away. And I became whole in this radiance.
What I did was to cry uncontrollably. I was crying, not out of sadness, but
because I was feeling things that I had never felt before in my life.
Another thing happened. Suddenly I knew a whole bunch of things. I knew
things ... I knew that this light, this radiance, knew me. I don't know how
to explain to you that I knew it knew me, I just did. As a matter of fact, I
understood that it knew me better than my mother or father did. The luminous
entity that embraced me knew me intimately and began to communicate a
tremendous sense of knowledge. I knew that he knew everything about me and I
was being unconditionally loved and accepted.
The light conveyed to me that it loved me in a way that I can't begin to
express. It loved me in a way that I had never known that love could
possibly be. He was a concentrated field of energy, radiant in splendor
indescribable, except to say goodness and love. This was more loving than
one can imagine.
I knew that this radiant being was powerful. It was making me feel so good
all over. I could feel its light on me - like very gentle hands around me.
And I could feel it holding me. But it was loving me with overwhelming
power. After what I had been through to be completely known, accepted, and
intensely loved by this Being of light surpassed anything I had known or
could have imagined. I began to cry and the tears kept coming and coming.
And we, I and this light, went up and out of there.
We started going faster and faster, out of the darkness. Embraced by the
light, feeling wonderful and crying, I saw off in the distance something
that looked like the picture of a galaxy, except that it was larger and
there were more stars than I had seen on earth.
There was a great center of brilliance. In the center there was an
enormously bright concentration. Outside the center countless millions of
spheres of light were flying about entering and leaving what was a great
Beingness at the center. It was off in the distance.
Then I ... I didn't say it, I thought it. I said: "Put me back." What I
meant by telling the light to put me back, was to put me back into the pit.
I was so ashamed of who I was, and what I had been all of my life, that all
I wanted to do was hide in the darkness. I didn't want to go toward the
light anymore - I did; yet I didn't. How many times in my life had I denied
and scoffed at the reality before me, and how many thousands of times had I
used it as a curse. What incredible intellectual arrogance to use the name
as an insult. I was afraid to go closer. I was also aware that the
incredible intensity of the emanations might disintegrate what I still
experienced as my intact physical body. The being who was supporting me, my
friend, was aware of my fear and reluctance and shame. For the first time he
spoke to my mind in a male voice and told me that if I was uncomfortable we
didn't have to go closer. So we stopped where we were, still countless miles
away from the Great Being.
For the first time, my friend, and I will refer to him in that context
hereafter, said to me: "You belong here." (My "friend" was none other than
Jesus Christ.) Facing all the splendor made me acutely aware of my lowly
condition. My response was: "No, you've made a mistake, put me back." And he
said: "We don't make mistakes. You belong."
--
Listen to Zion Redemption's Radio hosted by Art Bulla on Sunday from 3 to 4
(pst). Just go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513
All are invited to call in live, email at art@artbulla.com, or by MSM
artbulla@hotmail.com. This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion,
revelations of Jesus Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God, doctrine
discussed pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non
broadcast hours you can also listen to archived shows.
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www.artbulla.com
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"Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
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"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art
at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an
avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who
practiced it.
If Vishnu had appeared to him he would have become Hindu no doubt. It's
funny with these unsubstantiated stories that it is always the gods they
were told of as children that they suddenly believe. Yeah right! Don't tell
me you are selling the Brooklyn bridge too.
Klazmon
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On 1-May-2007, Llanzlan Klazmon the 15th <Klazmon@llurdiaxorb.govt> wrote:
Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote in
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<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
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"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art
at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an
avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who
practiced it.
If Vishnu had appeared to him he would have become Hindu no doubt. It's
funny with these unsubstantiated stories that it is always the gods they
were told of as children that they suddenly believe. Yeah right! Don't
tell me you are selling the Brooklyn bridge too.
Yes, I'm a theist & while stuff like this is not nonsense to those
experiencing it, but it is stupid to say it's proof of anything *except*
of what the person undergoing it thinks/feels.
Susan
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Aaron Kim wrote:
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in message
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"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art at
You should read Harry Potter; that's a true story, too.
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On 1 Maj, 05:34, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
<vivapadre...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1177970043.214315.282070@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art at
Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an avowed
atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced
it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn't
find joy in anything. Anything that wasn't seen, touched, or felt, he had no
faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent
of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with
religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what
science said, there was nothing else.
Gosh, that brought a tear to my cheek. Did I ever tell you about the
time that Santa gave me a ride in his sleigh? Before that ride I
didn't believe in him at all.
snip of remaining inspirational story.
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<gudloos@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On 1 Maj, 05:34, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
<vivapadre...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1177970043.214315.282070@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art
at
Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an
avowed
atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced
it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn't
find joy in anything. Anything that wasn't seen, touched, or felt, he had
no
faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full
extent
of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with
religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond
what
science said, there was nothing else.
Gosh, that brought a tear to my cheek. Did I ever tell you about the
time that Santa gave me a ride in his sleigh? Before that ride I
didn't believe in him at all.
snip of remaining inspirational story.
There are many stories of out of body near death experiences. Even way
before it became mainstream, it was taught in Mormonism that when the body
dies, the spirit lives on in the spirit world.
"Raised from the Dead"
(Condensed from Sept.-Oct., 1929, issues of The Improvement Era, 32:883;
also Y.W. Journal 4:164. Compare with Life of Lorenzo Snow, p. 406.)
This story, true in every particular, shows the fulfillment of a prophecy
made upon the head of Lorenzo Snow when he received a patriarchal blessing
under the hands of the Prophet's father, Joseph Smith, Senior. It was given
in the Kirtland Temple, and among other things were these promises: "Thou
shalt become a mighty man. Thy faith shall increase and grow stronger until
it shall become like Peter's. Thou shalt restore the sick; the diseased
shall send to thee their aprons and handkerchiefs, and by thy touch their
owners shall be made whole. The dead shall arise and come forth at thy
bidding." It was March 3, 1891, and for several long weeks Ella Jensen, a
young girl of 19 at Brigham City, Utah, had lingered, almost between life
and death, with Scarlet Fever. Leah Rees, her girlfriend, was serving her as
night nurse,
and it was about three or four o'clock in the morning, when, as Leah reports
it, "I was suddenly awakened by Ella calling me to get the comb, brush and
scissors. She explained that she wanted to brush her hair and trim her
finger
nails, and get all ready, `For,' said she, `they are coming to get me at ten
o'clock this morning.'
"I asked who was coming to get her."
"`Uncle Hans Jensen and the messengers,' she replied. `I am going to die
and they are coming at ten o'clock to get me and take me away.'"
"I tried to quiet her, saying that she would feel better in the morning
if she would try to sleep."
"`No,' she said, `I am not going to sleep any more, but I am going to
spend all the time getting ready.'"
"She insisted that I get the comb, hairbrush and scissors, which I did,
but she was so weak that she could not use them. As I was brushing her hair,
she asked me to call her parents. I explained that they were tired and
asleep
and that it would be better not to disturb them."
"`Yes,' insisted Ella, `you must call them. I want to tell them now.'"
"The parents were called, and as they entered the room, the daughter told
them that her Uncle Hans, who was dead, had suddenly appeared in the room,
while she was awake with her eyes open, and had told her that messengers
would
be there at ten o'clock to conduct her into the spirit world. The father and
mother feared that the girl was delirious and tried to get her to be quiet
and
[117] go to sleep. She knew their thoughts and said, `I know what I am
talking
about. No, I am not going to sleep anymore. I know I am going to die, and
that
they are coming to get me.'"
Ella, realizing the end was very near, summoned each one of her family to
kiss and bid them goodbye. She called each one by name as they came to the
bedside. But her brother Budd was out and had not returned. As it drew
toward
ten o'clock, she felt she could not go until she had seen him. She was
gasping
for breath and exerting all her strength to hold on until Budd got back.
Grandma Jensen arrived, and just as Ella had embraced and kissed her, Budd
came in with Mrs. Nelson. Ella threw her arms around her brother's neck,
kissed him, and then fell back on her pillow--dead. It was just ten o'clock.
Ella's father left at once to report to President Snow and consult him
regarding arrangements for the funeral. Sister Nelson washed and laid Ella
out, dressed her in clean linen, and Budd took the doctor back home, who had
been called in this emergency. Meanwhile, news of her death spread about.
It was towards noon when Jacob Jensen, Ella's father, reported to
President Snow at the tabernacle service, because it was more than a mile to
town and he had to hitch up the horse to drive there. They returned together
with Rudger Clawson, who was then the President of the Box Elder Stake.
After standing at Ella's bedside for a minute or two, President Snow
asked if there were any consecrated oil in the house. All were greatly
surprised, but the oil was secured for him. He handed the bottle of oil to
Brother Clawson and asked him to anoint Ella, after which Brother Snow
confirmed the anointing.
Particularly impressive among others, were these words that he used,
"Dear Ella, I command you, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to come
back
and live. Your mission is not ended." His voice was very commanding, "Come
back, Ella, come back! Your work upon the earth is not yet completed. Come
back! You shall yet live to perform a great mission."
[118] Ella remained in her dead condition for more than an hour after
President Snow administered to her, or more than three hours in all after
she
had died. Her mother and father were sitting there watching by the bedside,
when all at once she opened her eyes, looked about the room, and saw them
sitting there.
But she still looked for someone else, and the first thing she said was,
"Where is he? Where is he?"
"Where is who?"
"Why, Brother Snow," she replied. "He called me back."
They explained to her that Brother Snow and Brother Clawson were very
busy and could not remain, and that they had gone.
Ella then dropped her head back on her pillow, saying, "Why did he call
me back? I was so happy and did not want to come back."
Then Ella Jensen began to relate her marvelous experiences; marvelous
both as to the incidents themselves, and as to the great number of them that
occurred in the short space of time between three and four hours. And
furthermore, the very nature of these incidents prove that she was telling
nothing but the truth.
"At ten o'clock my spirit left my body," related Ella. "It took me
sometime to make up my mind to go, as I could hear and see the folks crying
and mourning over me. It was very hard to me to leave them, but as soon as I
had a glimpse of the other world, I was anxious to go, and all the care and
worry left me.
"I entered a large hall. It was so long that I could not see the end of
it. It was filled with people. As I was conducted through the throng, the
first person I recognized was my Grandpa H. P. Jensen, who was sitting in
one
end of the room writing. He looked up and seemed surprised to see me. He
said,
"Why! There is my granddaughter, Ella!"
"He was very much pleased, greeted me and, as he continued with his
writing, I passed on through the room and met a great many of my relatives
and
friends. It was like going along the crowded street of a large city where
you
meet many people, only a very few of whom you recognize.
[119] "The next one I knew was Uncle Hans Jensen with his wife, Mary Ellen.
They had two small children with them. On inquiring who they were, he told
me
one was his own and the other was Uncle Will's little girl.
"Some seemed to be in family groups. As there were only a few whom I
could recognize and who knew me, I kept moving on. Some inquired about their
friends and relatives on the earth. Among the number was my cousin. He asked
me how the folks were getting along and said it grieved him to hear that
some
of the boys were using tobacco, liquor, and many things that were injurious
to
them.
"This proved to me that the people in the other world know to a great
extent what happens here on the earth.
"The people were all dressed in white or cream, excepting Uncle Hans
Jensen, who (for this occasion) had on his dark clothes and long rubber
boots--the things he wore when he was drowned in the Snake River in Idaho.
"Everybody appeared to be perfectly happy. I was having a very pleasant
visit with each one that I knew. Finally, I reached the end of that long
room.
I opened a door and went into another room filled with children. They were
all
arranged in perfect order, the largest ones in the back rows all around the
room. They seemed to be convened in a sort of Primary or Sunday School,
which
was presided over by Aunt Eliza R. Snow. There were hundreds of small
children
there."
"It was," continued Ella, "while I was standing listening to the children
singing, `Gladly Meeting, Kindly Greeting,' that I heard President Lorenzo
Snow call me. He said, `Sister Ella, you must come back, as your mission is
not yet finished here on earth.' So I just spoke to Aunt Eliza R. Snow and
told her that I must go back.
"Returning through the large room, I told the people I was going back to
the earth, but they seemed to want me to stay with them. I obeyed the call,
although it was very much against my desire, as such perfect peace and
happiness prevailed there--no suffering and no sorrow. I was so taken up
with
all I saw and heard that I did hate very much to leave that beautiful place.
[120] "This has always been a source of comfort to me. I learned by this
experience that we should not grieve too much for our departed loved ones,
and
especially at the time they leave us. I think we should be just as calm and
quiet as possible, because, as I was leaving my mortal life, the only regret
I
had was that the folks were grieving so much for me. But I soon forgot all
about this world in my delight with the other.
"For more than three hours my spirit was gone from my body. As I
returned, I could see my body lying on the bed and the folks gathered about
in
the room. I wanted to stay only a short time on earth to comfort them."
Ella frequently told of the terrible suffering that she experienced when
the spirit again entered the body. There was practically no pain on leaving
the body in death, but the intense pain was almost unbearable in coming back
to life. Not only this, but for months, and even years afterward, she
experienced new aches and pains and physical disorders that she had never
known before.
Some of the people Ella described as having met in this spirit sojourn
were her aunts and second cousins, long since dead and laid away before she
was born. She told her Aunt Harriet Wight, who had lost two daughters, not
to
mourn them, for she had seen them and had talked with them, and they were
very
happy in their new sphere of existence.
Many relatives and others visited Ella, and she told them the same
story--of how she had met their relatives and friends over there, how happy
they were, and that they had asked about their loved ones here.
When Leah Rees, her night nurse, came to stay with Ella the next night,
she told her about having seen her (Leah's) father and several others of her
people who had passed away, as well as her own Grandpa Jensen--all of whom
appeared very happy.
One person Ella was puzzled about seeing in the spirit world was little
Alphie, the son of Alphonzo H. Snow. He had been in her Sunday School class
in
the First Ward, and she did not know that he had just died. When she told
her
mother, she said, "Yes, Ella, little Alphie is [121] dead, too. He died
early
this morning while you were so very sick. We knew you loved him and that it
would be a shock to you, so we did not tell you about his death." But,
nevertheless, she had recognized the little fellow happily singing among the
children under the direction of Eliza R. Snow.
It was while sitting there listening to those children that she heard a
voice coming to her in commanding tones, apparently from a long distance,
which said, "Come back, Ella, come back! Your work on earth is not yet
completed." And, although she had no desire to come back, but on the
contrary,
felt determined to remain in that beautiful world, the voice was so
authoritative in manner that it seemed to draw, yes, actually draw her
spirit
out of that room and back to her body. She felt compelled to follow it and
return to earth, where she filled to the fullness, her life's mission on
earth, becoming a mother in Israel, and doing much for the glory of God and
her own exaltation in the service of the Lord. She is now known as Mrs.
Henry
Wight of Brigham City, Utah.
--
Listen to Zion Redemption's Radio hosted by Art Bulla on Sunday from 3 to 4
(pst). Just go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513
All are invited to call in live, email at art@artbulla.com, or by MSM
artbulla@hotmail.com. This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion,
revelations of Jesus Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God, doctrine
discussed pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non
broadcast hours you can also listen to archived shows.
Aaron Kim
www.artbulla.com
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04 May 2007 03:11:21 PM |
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Aaron Kim wrote:
<gudloos@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178008374.498704.86680@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Maj, 05:34, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
<vivapadre...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1177970043.214315.282070@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art
at
Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an
avowed
atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced
it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn't
find joy in anything. Anything that wasn't seen, touched, or felt, he had
no
faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full
extent
of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with
religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond
what
science said, there was nothing else.
Gosh, that brought a tear to my cheek. Did I ever tell you about the
time that Santa gave me a ride in his sleigh? Before that ride I
didn't believe in him at all.
snip of remaining inspirational story.
There are many stories of out of body near death experiences. Even way
before it became mainstream, it was taught in Mormonism that when the body
dies, the spirit lives on in the spirit world.
Oh, it MUST be true, then.
"Raised from the Dead"
(Condensed from Sept.-Oct., 1929, issues of The Improvement Era, 32:883;
also Y.W. Journal 4:164. Compare with Life of Lorenzo Snow, p. 406.)
This story, true in every particular, shows the fulfillment of a prophecy
How could we have doubted you, with authoritative cites like this?
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On 1 Maj, 21:35, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
<gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178008374.498704.86680@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On 1 Maj, 05:34, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
<vivapadre...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1177970043.214315.282070@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
"No man can read the Gospel without feeling the presence of God."
-- Albert Einstein.
What Einstein didn't like was organized religion, for one reason or
another, and that's where he went off track.
Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art
at
Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an
avowed
atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced
it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn't
find joy in anything. Anything that wasn't seen, touched, or felt, he had
no
faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full
extent
of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with
religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond
what
science said, there was nothing else.
Gosh, that brought a tear to my cheek. Did I ever tell you about the
time that Santa gave me a ride in his sleigh? Before that ride I
didn't believe in him at all.
snip of remaining inspirational story.
There are many stories of out of body near death experiences. Even way
before it became mainstream, it was taught in Mormonism that when the body
dies, the spirit lives on in the spirit world.
Of course, and there are many stories about children riding in Santa's
sleigh. Gosh, it must all be true, especially when one considers how
credible the Book of Mormon is.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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01 May 2007 02:39:02 PM |
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On Tue, 1 May 2007 12:35:58 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Do you have a reason to wipe your ***** our faces, or are you just
being deliberately, stupidly rude?
[240 lines of pointless, in-your-face stupidity deleted]
Listen to Zion Redemption's Radio hosted by Art Bulla on Sunday from 3 to 4
(pst). Just go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513
All are invited to call in live, email at art@artbulla.com, or by MSM
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discussed pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non
broadcast hours you can also listen to archived shows.
Why the ***** would anybody in their right mind want to that,
brainwashed moron?
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| User: "Aaron Kim" |
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01 May 2007 03:36:22 PM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:2l5f335vfnktar2cahio8e51esd5502egq@4ax.com...
On Tue, 1 May 2007 12:35:58 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Do you have a reason to wipe your ***** our faces, or are you just
being deliberately, stupidly rude?
[240 lines of pointless, in-your-face stupidity deleted]
Listen to Zion Redemption's Radio hosted by Art Bulla on Sunday from 3 to
4
(pst). Just go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513
All are invited to call in live, email at art@artbulla.com, or by MSM
artbulla@hotmail.com. This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion,
revelations of Jesus Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God,
doctrine
discussed pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non
broadcast hours you can also listen to archived shows.
Why the ***** would anybody in their right mind want to that,
brainwashed moron?
What proof do you have that these near death out of body experiences which
are countless in number are not true except your own ignorant word? You're
the one brainwashed by Darwinism propaganda.
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| User: "JessHC" |
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04 May 2007 03:09:33 PM |
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Aaron Kim wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:2l5f335vfnktar2cahio8e51esd5502egq@4ax.com...
On Tue, 1 May 2007 12:35:58 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Do you have a reason to wipe your ***** our faces, or are you just
being deliberately, stupidly rude?
[240 lines of pointless, in-your-face stupidity deleted]
Listen to Zion Redemption's Radio hosted by Art Bulla on Sunday from 3 to
4
(pst). Just go to http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513
All are invited to call in live, email at art@artbulla.com, or by MSM
artbulla@hotmail.com. This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion,
revelations of Jesus Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God,
doctrine
discussed pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non
broadcast hours you can also listen to archived shows.
Why the ***** would anybody in their right mind want to that,
brainwashed moron?
What proof do you have that these near death out of body experiences which
are countless in number are not true except your own ignorant word? You're
the one brainwashed by Darwinism propaganda.
It's up to the people claiming it's true to prove it, but as it
happens, the phenomenon is well understood and requires no
supernatural explanation.
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| User: "" |
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01 May 2007 09:37:47 PM |
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On 1-May-2007, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com> wrote:
What proof do you have that these near death out of body experiences which
are countless in number are not true except your own ignorant word?
His skpeticism is not ignorance, and it is not up to him to disprove
anything you post. It is for you, just as it is for anyone who makes
a claim, to prove what you say, & not the other way around.
Susan
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| User: "" |
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02 May 2007 03:55:51 AM |
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On 1 Maj, 22:36, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:2l5f335vfnktar2cahio8e51esd5502egq@4ax.com...
On Tue, 1 May 2007 12:35:58 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Do you have a reason to wipe your ***** our faces, or are you just
being deliberately, stupidly rude?
[240 lines of pointless, in-your-face stupidity deleted]
Listen to Zion Redemption's Radio hosted by Art Bulla on Sunday from 3 to
4
(pst). Just go tohttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513
All are invited to call in live, email at a...@artbulla.com, or by MSM
artbu...@hotmail.com. This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion,
revelations of Jesus Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God,
doctrine
discussed pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non
broadcast hours you can also listen to archived shows.
Why the ***** would anybody in their right mind want to that,
brainwashed moron?
What proof do you have that these near death out of body experiences which
are countless in number are not true except your own ignorant word?
What proof do you have that Mohammed was not Allah's prophet, or that
the Koran was not dictated by an angel of god to Mohammed. It is
believed by billions of people.
You're
the one brainwashed by Darwinism propaganda.-
That must be the explanation. Why else wouldn't he believe any story
he heard?
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| User: "Kilmir" |
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02 May 2007 03:11:09 AM |
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On 1 mei, 22:36, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:2l5f335vfnktar2cahio8e51esd5502egq@4ax.com...
On Tue, 1 May 2007 12:35:58 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Do you have a reason to wipe your ***** our faces, or are you just
being deliberately, stupidly rude?
[240 lines of pointless, in-your-face stupidity deleted]
Listen to Zion Redemption's Radio hosted by Art Bulla on Sunday from 3 to
4
(pst). Just go tohttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513
All are invited to call in live, email at a...@artbulla.com, or by MSM
artbu...@hotmail.com. This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion,
revelations of Jesus Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God,
doctrine
discussed pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non
broadcast hours you can also listen to archived shows.
Why the ***** would anybody in their right mind want to that,
brainwashed moron?
What proof do you have that these near death out of body experiences which
are countless in number are not true except your own ignorant word? You're
the one brainwashed by Darwinism propaganda.
Several people in this NG have had near-death and even death
experiences (wasn't somebody legally dead for 10 minutes or so?). None
of them had a religious experience during that time. If what you claim
would be true, everybody with a near-death or death experience would
have went through the same experience as claimed.
Proven that is not so means that the experiences are personal and
subjective. Studies in this area have evidences that it's quite
probably nothing more then manifestations of random neurons firing in
your brain because of trauma, oxygendepletion etc. Basically dreaming
but without the inhibitors that normal sleep produces which seperates
dreams from real-life. Hallucinations are a better way to describe it
I guess.
You might want to look up some research in this field. Especially the
experiments where testsubjects get specific electric impulses fired at
certain areas of the brain and can, reproducably, experience the
phenomena described by neardeath experiences. Floating out of body,
feelings of a presence near them, tunnel + white light, you name it,
it has turned up already. Ofcourse not the full blown "meeting diety"
stuff, because that might indicate brain damage and that goes a bit
far for universeties to test on subjects ;).
I'm no expert, heck even barely a layman in these fields. But I've
read enough to know that the whole neardeath "religious" stuff is
explainable, or will be in the near future, by simple down-to-earth
causes.
Kilmir
#1944
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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01 May 2007 04:38:33 PM |
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On May 1, 1:36 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <c...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:2l5f335vfnktar2cahio8e51esd5502egq@4ax.com...
On Tue, 1 May 2007 12:35:58 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Do you have a reason to wipe your ***** our faces, or are you just
being deliberately, stupidly rude?
[240 lines of pointless, in-your-face stupidity deleted]
Listen to Zion Redemption's Radio hosted by Art Bulla on Sunday from 3 to
4
(pst). Just go tohttp://www.blogtalkradio.com/hostpage.aspx?host_id=3513
All are invited to call in live, email at a...@artbulla.com, or by MSM
artbu...@hotmail.com. This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion,
revelations of Jesus Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God,
doctrine
discussed pertaining to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non
broadcast hours you can also listen to archived shows.
Why the ***** would anybody in their right mind want to that,
brainwashed moron?
What proof do you have that these near death out of body experiences which
are countless in number are not true except your own ignorant word?
You're the one claiming that they're true - that makes *you* the
positive claimant, and thereby the one who needs to come across with
hard physical evidence to support your claims.
One word, lambchop: "hypoxia."
You're
the one brainwashed by Darwinism propaganda.
You need to go look up an alt.atheism regular named Al Klein.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Albert Einstein Not Far Off Track. |
02 May 2007 07:34:00 AM |
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On 1 May 2007 14:38:33 -0700, skyeyes <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On May 1, 1:36 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
What proof do you have that these near death out of body experiences which
are countless in number are not true except your own ignorant word?
You're the one claiming that they're true - that makes *you* the
positive claimant, and thereby the one who needs to come across with
hard physical evidence to support your claims.
One word, lambchop: "hypoxia."
You're
the one brainwashed by Darwinism propaganda.
You need to go look up an alt.atheism regular named Al Klein.
You called, Brenda? :)
He can stew in his own willful ignorance, as far as I'm concerned. Let
him find out the disadvantages of being a Christian when he dies.
(Did I mention that I'm a sadist? I take great pleasure in knowing
the fate that awaits him.)
Aaron, you're like the little kid who, never having been out of the
US, tells his neighbor, on his return from France, what France is
"really" like. All the neighbor can do is smile indulgently. The kid
"knows" what France is like - he has a book. You "know" what happens
after death - you have a book. People who have the chance to learn
but still refuse to deserve everything they get.
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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02 May 2007 07:44:14 AM |
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On Wed, 02 May 2007 08:34:00 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On 1 May 2007 14:38:33 -0700, skyeyes <skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On May 1, 1:36 pm, "Aaron Kim" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote:
What proof do you have that these near death out of body experiences which
are countless in number are not true except your own ignorant word?
You're the one claiming that they're true - that makes *you* the
positive claimant, and thereby the one who needs to come across with
hard physical evidence to support your claims.
One word, lambchop: "hypoxia."
You're
the one brainwashed by Darwinism propaganda.
You need to go look up an alt.atheism regular named Al Klein.
You called, Brenda? :)
He can stew in his own willful ignorance, as far as I'm concerned. Let
him find out the disadvantages of being a Christian when he dies.
But in the mean time, he'll rub his stupidity, ignorance, bigotry and
nastiness in our faces.
(Did I mention that I'm a sadist? I take great pleasure in knowing
the fate that awaits him.)
Aaron, you're like the little kid who, never having been out of the
US, tells his neighbor, on his return from France, what France is
"really" like. All the neighbor can do is smile indulgently. The kid
"knows" what France is like - he has a book. You "know" what happens
after death - you have a book. People who have the chance to learn
but still refuse to deserve everything they get.
And eventually the neighbour gets fed up with him and tells him to
*****.
So being the nasty little sociopath he is, he thinks its everybody's
fault but his own.
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