Religions > Atheism > ALCU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US
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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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20 Mar 2005 04:56:40 PM |
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ALCU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US |
In a major win for the US Constitution seporation of cult from State,
the homophobic unamerican Boy Scouts of America was forced to obey the
law of the land.
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March 11, 2005
4:00 p.m. Eastern
The Boy Scouts of America is pulling the charters of thousands of scouting
units from public schools in an effort to spare them from lawsuits
threatened by the American Civil Liberties Union.
In a letter sent to the BSA last month, the ACLU vowed to take legal action
against public schools and other taxpayer-funded governmental agencies that
charter Scout groups, claiming their sponsorship amounts to religious
discrimination and violates the separation of church and state.
The ACLU specifically takes issue with the Scouts' pledge of allegiance to
God and country and the organization's prohibition of homosexuals as scout
masters.
BSA national spokesman Gregg Shields told the Baptist Press the
organization was pulling its charters from schools "as a matter of
stewardship."
"We obviously don't want that [expensive lawsuits against schools] to
happen," Shields told the news agency. "Instead, the Boy Scouts have tried
to protect the resources of our education partners by moving our charter
from public schools to other community-based organizations such as
parent-teacher organizations or Salvation Army units or nearby religious
organizations."
Shields stressed the loss of its charter does not necessarily mean the
scout troop can no longer meet at the school.
"Boy Scout troops will still have the same rights as any other
community-based group to meet in school buildings, but the charter will not
be held by the school administration," he said.
Shields hopes churches and other community-based groups will make up for
the lost charters, estimated to be in the thousands.
The BSA is the largest youth organization and is run with the help of 1.3
million adult volunteers.
The BSA has learned to take the ACLU's threat of litigation seriously,
having been in its crosshairs for 25 years. The ACLU has sued the BSA 14
times on similar grounds, according to Shields.
The BSA prevailed in the most prominent lawsuit when the U.S. Supreme Court
ruled in 2000 to uphold a New Jersey troop's removal of an assistant
scoutmaster after it became known he was openly homosexual.
This legal victory emboldened the ACLU and homosexual opponents to increase
pressure on the organization.
As WorldNetDaily reported last fall, the Pentagon agreed to start warning
its bases not to sponsor scout troops to settle one issue raised in a
five-year-old lawsuit brought by the ACLU's Illinois chapter.
"If our Constitution's promise of religious liberty is to be a reality, the
government should not be administering religious oaths or discriminating
based upon religious beliefs," Adam Schwartz of the ACLU of Illinois said
in a statement. "This agreement removes the Pentagon from direct
sponsorship of Scout troops that engage in religious discrimination."
But Thomas P. Cadmus, national commander of the American Legion, said in
response: "The idea that sponsorship of Scouting by American military units
is 'unconstitutional' goes beyond the absurd, even well past the point of
stupidity."
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| User: "The Pretzel" |
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| Title: Re: ACLU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US |
20 Mar 2005 05:49:49 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
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In a major win for the US Constitution seporation of cult from State,
the homophobic unamerican Boy Scouts of America was forced to obey the
law of the land.
-=-
March 11, 2005
4:00 p.m. Eastern
The Boy Scouts of America is pulling the charters of thousands of scouting
units from public schools in an effort to spare them from lawsuits
threatened by the American Civil Liberties Union.
In a letter sent to the BSA last month, the ACLU vowed to take legal action
against public schools and other taxpayer-funded governmental agencies that
charter Scout groups, claiming their sponsorship amounts to religious
discrimination and violates the separation of church and state.
The ACLU specifically takes issue with the Scouts' pledge of allegiance to
God and country and the organization's prohibition of homosexuals as scout
masters.
BSA national spokesman Gregg Shields told the Baptist Press the
organization was pulling its charters from schools "as a matter of
stewardship."
"We obviously don't want that [expensive lawsuits against schools] to
happen," Shields told the news agency. "Instead, the Boy Scouts have tried
to protect the resources of our education partners by moving our charter
from public schools to other community-based organizations such as
parent-teacher organizations or Salvation Army units or nearby religious
organizations."
Shields stressed the loss of its charter does not necessarily mean the
scout troop can no longer meet at the school.
"Boy Scout troops will still have the same rights as any other
community-based group to meet in school buildings, but the charter will not
be held by the school administration," he said.
Shields hopes churches and other community-based groups will make up for
the lost charters, estimated to be in the thousands.
The BSA is the largest youth organization and is run with the help of 1.3
million adult volunteers.
The BSA has learned to take the ACLU's threat of litigation seriously,
having been in its crosshairs for 25 years. The ACLU has sued the BSA 14
times on similar grounds, according to Shields.
The BSA prevailed in the most prominent lawsuit when the U.S. Supreme Court
ruled in 2000 to uphold a New Jersey troop's removal of an assistant
scoutmaster after it became known he was openly homosexual.
This legal victory emboldened the ACLU and homosexual opponents to increase
pressure on the organization.
As WorldNetDaily reported last fall, the Pentagon agreed to start warning
its bases not to sponsor scout troops to settle one issue raised in a
five-year-old lawsuit brought by the ACLU's Illinois chapter.
"If our Constitution's promise of religious liberty is to be a reality, the
government should not be administering religious oaths or discriminating
based upon religious beliefs," Adam Schwartz of the ACLU of Illinois said
in a statement. "This agreement removes the Pentagon from direct
sponsorship of Scout troops that engage in religious discrimination."
But Thomas P. Cadmus, national commander of the American Legion, said in
response: "The idea that sponsorship of Scouting by American military units
is 'unconstitutional' goes beyond the absurd, even well past the point of
stupidity."
"But Thomas P. Cadmus, national commander of the American Legion, said in
response: "The idea that sponsorship of Scouting by American military units
is 'unconstitutional' goes beyond the absurd, even well past the point of
stupidity."
Tell That to the boy scouts, Idiot.( I Don't mean you FLR.) If they continue to
discriminate against religous belief and sexual orrientation they can go to
hell. The Girl Scouts don't! Bring in the Girl Scouts! Buy some cookies too!!!
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| User: "desertphile@hot mail. com Desertphile, American Patriot" |
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| Title: Re: ALCU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US |
20 Mar 2005 09:34:35 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:56:40 GMT, (Fredric
L. Rice) wrote:
In a major win for the US Constitution seporation of cult from State,
the homophobic unamerican Boy Scouts of America was forced to obey the
law of the land.
-=-
March 11, 2005
4:00 p.m. Eastern
The Boy Scouts of America is pulling the charters of thousands of scouting
units from public schools in an effort to spare them from lawsuits
threatened by the American Civil Liberties Union.
This saddens me, even though it is obviously necessary. Far better
if the BSA had allowed non-theists to be Scouts, than to have
sponsorship withdrawn.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: ALCU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US |
20 Mar 2005 11:13:48 PM |
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<desertphile@hot mail. com (Desertphile, American Patriot)> wrote in message
news:3a68jcF655nrjU2@individual.net...
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:56:40 GMT, (Fredric
L. Rice) wrote:
In a major win for the US Constitution seporation of cult from State,
the homophobic unamerican Boy Scouts of America was forced to obey the
law of the land.
-=-
March 11, 2005
4:00 p.m. Eastern
The Boy Scouts of America is pulling the charters of thousands of
scouting
units from public schools in an effort to spare them from lawsuits
threatened by the American Civil Liberties Union.
This saddens me, even though it is obviously necessary. Far better
if the BSA had allowed non-theists to be Scouts, than to have
sponsorship withdrawn.
Hopefully, this will lead to more members for Scouting For All.
http://www.scoutingforall.org/
http://www.inclusivescouting.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=NS-Polls&file=index&req=results&pollID=3
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: ALCU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US |
21 Mar 2005 04:29:38 PM |
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"Desertphile, American Patriot" wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:56:40 GMT, (Fredric
L. Rice) wrote:
In a major win for the US Constitution seporation of cult from State,
the homophobic unamerican Boy Scouts of America was forced to obey the
law of the land.
-=-
March 11, 2005
4:00 p.m. Eastern
The Boy Scouts of America is pulling the charters of thousands of scouting
units from public schools in an effort to spare them from lawsuits
threatened by the American Civil Liberties Union.
This saddens me, even though it is obviously necessary. Far better
if the BSA had allowed non-theists to be Scouts, than to have
sponsorship withdrawn.
I agree. I am not happy having to oppose the BSA, but they have stood firm in
favor of bigotry, and now the piper is getting impatient for his salary.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "desertphile@hot mail. com Desertphile, American Patriot" |
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| Title: Re: ALCU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US |
21 Mar 2005 05:53:20 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:29:38 -0800, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> wrote:
"Desertphile, American Patriot" wrote:
This saddens me, even though it is obviously necessary. Far better
if the BSA had allowed non-theists to be Scouts, than to have
sponsorship withdrawn.
I agree. I am not happy having to oppose the BSA, but they have stood
firm in favor of bigotry, and now the piper is getting impatient for
his salary.
Argh. Yeah, you are right, and as I said, that saddens me and
other supporters and defenders of the Scouts and of Scouting. The
BSA is like the ancient Hebrews: a "stiff-necked peoples" who
would much rather stay the course though it ruin them, than change
and act fairly to all. "Cut off your nose to spite your face," I
believe the phrase is.
When I was in Scouting, the troop I was in (sponsored by the
Latter-Day Saints) was jammed full of atheists: damn few of us
kids believed gods existed, and we all suspected none of the Scout
Leaders we knew believed in gods either. We knew we did not dare
be honest on the issue if we wished to continue in Scoutting.
The BSA has turned millions of teenagers into liars and
hypocrites.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"[T]hose who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves;
and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."
-- Pres. George W. Bush, Hypocrite, his inauguration speech, 2005
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: ALCU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US |
23 Mar 2005 03:38:25 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:53:20 GMT, desertphile@hot mail. com
(Desertphile, American Patriot) wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:29:38 -0800, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> wrote:
"Desertphile, American Patriot" wrote:
This saddens me, even though it is obviously necessary. Far better
if the BSA had allowed non-theists to be Scouts, than to have
sponsorship withdrawn.
I agree. I am not happy having to oppose the BSA, but they have stood
firm in favor of bigotry, and now the piper is getting impatient for
his salary.
Argh. Yeah, you are right, and as I said, that saddens me and
other supporters and defenders of the Scouts and of Scouting. The
BSA is like the ancient Hebrews: a "stiff-necked peoples" who
would much rather stay the course though it ruin them, than change
and act fairly to all. "Cut off your nose to spite your face," I
believe the phrase is.
When I was in Scouting, the troop I was in (sponsored by the
Latter-Day Saints) was jammed full of atheists: damn few of us
kids believed gods existed, and we all suspected none of the Scout
Leaders we knew believed in gods either. We knew we did not dare
be honest on the issue if we wished to continue in Scoutting.
The BSA has turned millions of teenagers into liars and
hypocrites.
And those millions of teenagers are now adults (plus those in BSA
(Bull Shitters of Amerikkka)).
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: ALCU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US |
21 Mar 2005 06:09:27 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:53:20 GMT, desertphile@hot mail. com
(Desertphile, American Patriot) wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:29:38 -0800, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> wrote:
"Desertphile, American Patriot" wrote:
This saddens me, even though it is obviously necessary. Far better
if the BSA had allowed non-theists to be Scouts, than to have
sponsorship withdrawn.
I agree. I am not happy having to oppose the BSA, but they have stood
firm in favor of bigotry, and now the piper is getting impatient for
his salary.
Argh. Yeah, you are right, and as I said, that saddens me and
other supporters and defenders of the Scouts and of Scouting. The
BSA is like the ancient Hebrews: a "stiff-necked peoples" who
would much rather stay the course though it ruin them, than change
and act fairly to all. "Cut off your nose to spite your face," I
believe the phrase is.
When I was in Scouting, the troop I was in (sponsored by the
Latter-Day Saints) was jammed full of atheists: damn few of us
kids believed gods existed, and we all suspected none of the Scout
Leaders we knew believed in gods either. We knew we did not dare
be honest on the issue if we wished to continue in Scoutting.
The BSA has turned millions of teenagers into liars and
hypocrites.
One of the worse features of this is that they attempt to defend their
bigotry by telling bigoted slanders about atheists to atheists.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: ALCU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US |
23 Mar 2005 03:39:02 PM |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:09:27 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:53:20 GMT, desertphile@hot mail. com
(Desertphile, American Patriot) wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:29:38 -0800, Gregory Gadow
<techbear@serv.net> wrote:
"Desertphile, American Patriot" wrote:
This saddens me, even though it is obviously necessary. Far better
if the BSA had allowed non-theists to be Scouts, than to have
sponsorship withdrawn.
I agree. I am not happy having to oppose the BSA, but they have stood
firm in favor of bigotry, and now the piper is getting impatient for
his salary.
Argh. Yeah, you are right, and as I said, that saddens me and
other supporters and defenders of the Scouts and of Scouting. The
BSA is like the ancient Hebrews: a "stiff-necked peoples" who
would much rather stay the course though it ruin them, than change
and act fairly to all. "Cut off your nose to spite your face," I
believe the phrase is.
When I was in Scouting, the troop I was in (sponsored by the
Latter-Day Saints) was jammed full of atheists: damn few of us
kids believed gods existed, and we all suspected none of the Scout
Leaders we knew believed in gods either. We knew we did not dare
be honest on the issue if we wished to continue in Scoutting.
The BSA has turned millions of teenagers into liars and
hypocrites.
One of the worse features of this is that they attempt to defend their
bigotry by telling bigoted slanders about atheists to atheists.
What else can be expected from uneducated non-thinkers.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: ALCU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US |
23 Mar 2005 03:35:28 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:34:35 GMT, desertphile@hot mail. com
(Desertphile, American Patriot) wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:56:40 GMT, (Fredric
L. Rice) wrote:
In a major win for the US Constitution seporation of cult from State,
the homophobic unamerican Boy Scouts of America was forced to obey the
law of the land.
-=-
March 11, 2005
4:00 p.m. Eastern
The Boy Scouts of America is pulling the charters of thousands of scouting
units from public schools in an effort to spare them from lawsuits
threatened by the American Civil Liberties Union.
This saddens me, even though it is obviously necessary. Far better
if the BSA had allowed non-theists to be Scouts, than to have
sponsorship withdrawn.
Yes, but that requires; honesty, empathy, and courage. You won't get
that from the bigots running the show at the National Level.
The organization worked hard to establish themselves as a private
religious organization. That's fine, but then the remnants of the US
Constitution apply.
Their bigotry is costing them lots of $$$$ and even more bad press.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: ALCU forces anti-American cultists to obey the laws of the US |
22 Mar 2005 06:14:59 AM |
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desertphile@hot mail. com (Desertphile, American Patriot) wrote:
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:56:40 GMT, (Fredric
L. Rice) wrote:
In a major win for the US Constitution seporation of cult from State,
the homophobic unamerican Boy Scouts of America was forced to obey the
law of the land.
The Boy Scouts of America is pulling the charters of thousands of scouting
units from public schools in an effort to spare them from lawsuits
threatened by the American Civil Liberties Union.
This saddens me, even though it is obviously necessary. Far better
if the BSA had allowed non-theists to be Scouts, than to have
sponsorship withdrawn.
I don't agree.
The BSA has been given the opportunity to conform to the laws of the
United States on numerous occasions -- not the least of which include
the number of times the BSA has been sued for religious discrimination.
Every time they've been sued has been times they could have recified
their bigotry -- or walked away from the tax-payer feeding troffs.
Since the BSA is in part a tax-funded hate cult, it needs to be
destroyed or have its tax subsidies removed. I'd rather see it still
remain as a club for homophobic Christian bigots, no problem, but such
groups must not be allowed to utilize government buildings for their
hate clubs.
There's better scouting alternatives out there that don't employ hatred.
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