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27 Dec 2007 01:01:29 AM |
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All things political |
what has happened to America?
Honestly i do love my country
but i am at a loss as to how we support
these baffoons in office and how we allow them to continue doing what
they are doing
Its as if the people are blind and deaf
FIGHT OR YOUR RIGHTS DAMMIT!
everyone in america is so foolish, and afraid
my countrymen have become noting but sheep
i say this now and i say it forever after REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES
will be the death of this country, and so will COWARDLY DEMOCRATS
but now that i have truly looked at american history i realize that it
is far from what
it has been made out to be by so many for all these years
our freedoms and liberties have become paper thin
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: All things political |
27 Dec 2007 04:51:30 AM |
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<hambone2010@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f774809f-472b-450e-936c-ceb653b4de90@s48g2000hss.googlegroups.com...
what has happened to America?
Honestly i do love my country
but i am at a loss as to how we support
these baffoons in office and how we allow them to continue doing what
they are doing
Its as if the people are blind and deaf
FIGHT OR YOUR RIGHTS DAMMIT!
everyone in america is so foolish, and afraid
my countrymen have become noting but sheep
i say this now and i say it forever after REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES
will be the death of this country, and so will COWARDLY DEMOCRATS
but now that i have truly looked at american history i realize that it
is far from what
it has been made out to be by so many for all these years
our freedoms and liberties have become paper thin
And this has WHAT to do with atheism?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: All things political |
28 Dec 2007 01:38:41 AM |
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On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 05:51:30 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
<hambone2010@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f774809f-472b-450e-936c-ceb653b4de90@s48g2000hss.googlegroups.com...
what has happened to America?
Honestly i do love my country
but i am at a loss as to how we support
these baffoons in office and how we allow them to continue doing what
they are doing
Its as if the people are blind and deaf
FIGHT OR YOUR RIGHTS DAMMIT!
everyone in america is so foolish, and afraid
my countrymen have become noting but sheep
i say this now and i say it forever after REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES
will be the death of this country, and so will COWARDLY DEMOCRATS
but now that i have truly looked at american history i realize that it
is far from what
it has been made out to be by so many for all these years
our freedoms and liberties have become paper thin
And this has WHAT to do with atheism?
The pricks that "hambone" is complaining about have a ferevent wish to
turn the USA into *more* of a theocracy than it already is.
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| User: "V" |
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| Title: Re: All things political |
27 Dec 2007 07:54:34 AM |
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On Dec 27, 2:01=EF=BF=BDam, wrote:
what has happened to America?
Honestly i do love my country
but i am at a loss as to how we support
these baffoons in office and how we allow them to continue doing what
they are doing
Its as if the people are blind and deaf
FIGHT OR YOUR RIGHTS DAMMIT!
everyone in america is so foolish, and afraid
my countrymen have become noting but sheep
i say this now and i say it forever after REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES
will be the death of this country, and so will COWARDLY DEMOCRATS
but now that i have truly looked at american history i realize that it
is far from what
it has been made out to be by so many for all these years
our freedoms and liberties have become paper thin
Dem or Rep? You think it is political biz as usual in the US?
It makes little difference.
The world is in a death spiral and politicians as well as industry are
pretending this problem does not exist.
We can only blame ourselves, for it is just how we have built our
world over the years....too many people, living outside of natures
intended balance and not an infinite supply of energy to fuel all our
demands.
Life as we know it in America as well as the world will be in for an
abrupt change in the not so distant future.
So Dem or Rep...any politician in charge had better come to terms with
how things really are and not live in dream land...we are running out
of time.
It seems everyone wishes to hide their heads in the sand when it comes
to this subject of peak oil. We can't depend on the President to come
clean with the public. All his energies are spent just trying to keep
the oil flowing. He can't admit that the oil will stop in the not so
distant future, no matter what we do. It is a problem beyond his as
well as all of our control.
As they say in 12 Step programs - admitting you have a problem is step
1. And our country cannot admit it, after all, admitting this problem
would raise hell with our retirement funds. And until we can admit it,
we cannot begin on our long road to a 'semblance' of recovery.
And in the big picture, we can't fix the problem, we can only postpone
the inevitable. But buying a little more time would make things much
more livable in the not so distant future than the current path we are
headed in.
It would be one thing if we all reverted back to rural living, burning
trees for fuel and housing and living within our comfortable means
allotted to us by nature, as our ancestors did back in the day. But
seven billion people can't burn the trees!
The World Coal Institute estimates world energy reserves as follows:
"At current production levels coal will be available for at least the
next 155 years compared to 41 years for oil and 65 years for gas."
http://www.worldcoal.org/pages/content/index.asp?PageID=3D21
Even though this was written a few years ago and it is based on
'current production and consumption' it gives the same haunting
message to the generations to come.
We may not exactly see the end of our free flowing energy as we know
it - but some of our descendants will in the not so distant future.
This is the legacy they will inherit from us. But before the energy
dries up completely massive changes in our world will have taken
place.
Our population has grown to levels where it has passed the point of no
return for supporting a sustainable human population as we know it
today when it comes to their energy demands.
And leading the pack of over consumers is the USA.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ene_oil_con-energy-oil-consumption
Consumption is ingrained in us and we know no other way. And even if
we wished to amend our ways, how could all our retirement funds take
the hit? America is built on borrowed money, spending and consumerism.
And what does all that consumerism lead to?
It leads to the mess we are in now and the bigger mess the world will
be in once India and China pick up momentum to copycat the envious
lifestyle that they have held in high esteem as the 'American Dream'
You see, the problem is not with the earth having enough land for all
its people - the problem is with earth providing ad infinitum for all
the needs the people crave.
The more people born, the more heat is produced from their life and
all their cravings, As such, the warmer and more polluted the earth
gets and the more energy they all use and the earths resources are
depleted.
Fueling the problem of consumption is the games the Federal and World
banks play with interest rates. They manage the economies in ways to
fuel consumption and mask the real trend. Witness the recent cries for
Federal bankers to lower interest rates...so the stock market can go
up...fueled by spending of the consumer.
It is drug habit that Greenspan got us hooked on and we just can't get
away from.
Our economy is not based on sustainable health - it is based low
interest credit to encourage compulsive spending, debt and living a
life of constant consumption with a 'disposable mentality' when it
comes to durable goods.
All this consumption to artificially fuel our economy to make our
retirement funds only go up contributes to more and more global
warming and the depletion of our natural resources. Then the
governments juggle the numbers to make the inflation figures seem
artificially low, so everyone's retirement portfolio will make them
happy so they will continue to buy and consume more...and on it
goes....IT IS ALL WE KNOW
You see, no other animal destroys its environment except mankind. We
are the only ones that do not accept and live within our comfortable
means. We not only debt with our finances we debt with our
environment. What we are borrowing in terms of petroleum, coal and
natural gas takes millions of years for nature to make. Yet we are
using it all up in just a few hundred years...we can never pay it
back.
I think our countries future will be....'America...a Democratic,
Communist Nation Under God.'
And maybe I am using the wrong word with communism? Maybe it should be
Nationalism? Socialism? I don't know since I have little interest in
politics.
As far for what I means, it could be compared somewhat to Plato's
Republic. Where the republic came first and people came second. But
with the US, the injection of Democratic values as well as a spiritual
foundation that supports our country would 'hopefully' separate us
from the atheist based communists that have been run as
dictatorships.
Without energy our country is open for takeover ... no jets...no
tanks...no transport on the ground or in the air. Luckily we will
still have nuclear powered submarines and aircraft carriers as long as
the uranium holds out. But the jets on the flattop all use jet fuel.
All the supplies for those subs and carriers petroleum dependent. So
long before the crude dries up the government must 'secure a supply'
of crude for it own needs.
Other countries such as Russia that have a good supply of crude may
not be so kind to keep on selling it to us and we need a 'local and
continual' source somewhat within our borders. You see, jet fuel as
well as gasoline deteriorates and cannot be stored indefinitely. So we
must always be producing some of it to replace the stale stuff to
supply the military. But, that's why we elect politicians to deal with
these troubles
As our world changes and our drug supply dries up, things will only
get worse. And the bigger the city - the bigger the hellhole it will
become. And this time RIGHT NOW is the defining moment as to whether
most of our population will die off or not in the crisis that awaits
us in the not so distant future.
Have you ever thought about how much of our life is dependent on
natural gas for cooking, heating and hot water?
How many of our homes are set up for efficient heating with natural
methods such as wood, pellet, passive solar?
My house is not.
I never gave this subject any thought until I learned about peak
natural gas. And by then it was too late.
My house is as far as it can be from the 'ideal house' that can be
heated my natural methods. And to make maters worse, I live in the NE
US, where it gets plenty cold.
Do you know that much of your life is dependent on natural gas outside
its use as an energy source?
We will run out of natural gas, just as we deplete our crude supplies
in the near future.
http://www.amazon.com/High-Noon-Natural-Gas-Energy/dp/1931498539
Natural gas is a raw material in many of our products we depend on.
Almost all the helium we produce comes from natural gas.
Propane, synthetic fertilizers, ammonia?
They are totally dependent on natural gas.
Our population boom was fueled by synthetic fertilizers made from
natural; gas. Once the gas dries up so does the fertilizer and a
shortage of fertilizer equals a shortage of food.
Natural; gas is also used as an energy source to produce steel, glass,
paper, clothing, brick, electricity
http://www.enotes.com/how-products-encyclopedia/natural-gas
http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/icm/2003/4-14-2003/natgasn.html
http://www.eia.doe.gov/kids/energyfacts/sources/non-renewable/naturalgas.htm=
l#WHATITISUSEDFOR
You still have some valuable time left to prepare for what awaits you
down the road.
We are in the 'Indian Summer' of a carbon based world. Don't wait
until the winter sets in to start work on your preparedness efforts.
Some work has been done with making plastics from corn, but it can't
touch the variety of plastic and rubber products that crude produces.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/plastic.html
=46rom this list we can see that we are still massively depend on crude
for our non sustainable lifestyle. There is no replacement for
crude...crude is in the details of our life.
So even if we all stop driving we will just be postponing the
inevitable that our artificial way of living is going to change in the
not so distant future.
A partial list of products made from Petroleum (144 of over 6000
items) One 42-gallon barrel of oil creates 19.4 gallons of gasoline.
The rest (over half) is used to make things like:
Solvents Diesel Motor Oil Bearing Grease
Ink Floor Wax Ballpoint Pens Football Cleats
Upholstery Sweaters Boats Insecticides
Bicycle Tires Sports Car Bodies Nail Polish Fishing lures
Dresses Tires Golf Bags Perfumes
Cassettes Dishwasher Tool Boxes Shoe Polish
Motorcycle Helmet Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape
CD Player Faucet Washers Antiseptics Clothesline
Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap
Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes
Dashboards Cortisone Deodorant Footballs
Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant
Percolators Life Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings
Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs Electrician's Tape
Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint
Mops Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters
Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair Coloring
Roofing Toilet Seats Fishing Rods Lipstick
Denture Adhesive Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber
Speakers Plastic Wood Electric Blankets Glycerin
Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fishing Boots Dice
Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint
Water Pipes Hand Lotion Roller Skates Surf Boards
Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains
Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Glasses
Antifreeze Football Helmets Awnings Eyeglasses
Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs
Combs CD's Paint Brushes Detergents
Vaporizers Balloons Sun Glasses Tents
Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones
Enamel Pillows Dishes Cameras
Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages
Dentures Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers
Cold cream Movie film Soft Contact lenses Drinking Cups
Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream Ammonia
Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste Gasoline
Americans consume petroleum products at a rate of three-and-a-half
gallons of oil and more than 250 cubic feet of natural gas per day
each!
http://www.beloit.edu/~SEPM/Geology_and_the_enviro/Petroleum_need.html
When it comes to the future, I see people living in miniature houses
(the lucky ones that survive that is, after all most of the population
died off long ago from starvation, freezing to death or from the
riots) with roofs shingled completely with solar material.
They drive up to their house on an electric scooter that is recharged
from their solar roof. If they are higher up the totem pole they may
have a solar golf cart. But in either case, luck must still be on
their side for without the sun shinning to charge it, their
transportation sits idle. (Not much lead left to build big
batteries...China gobbled it all up, so we have to make due with very
small storage cells.)
They work for the government and in exchange the government feeds and
clothes them from their warehouses. You see, we have become a sort of
'Communist Democracy' for without that bold leap and a desire 'to put
our country first' Russia or China would have stepped in to acquire
some new real estate.
The warehouses are fed from government owned coal fired steam
locomotives. Diesel dried up long ago, so it was either wood or coal
to fuel the trains. It did not take our government long to realize
this. the electric plants only had to shut down sporadically for 8
months so until they could build the first of a large fleet of steam
locomotives.
This was a 'slight' government oversight. They never figured that the
coal fired power plants were fed with 'diesel powered' locomotives.
They kept concentrated on the prediction that we had a hundred of
years of coal left, but were oblivious as to how that coal is
delivered to the power plant. But all these changes have some bright
spots in them. As the coal producers were able to hire many more
workers to manually mine coal, as the diesel powered mining equipment
sit idle from lack of diesel fuel.
Now some of the states or bigger cities had the foresight to build one
or two electric rail trolleys for public transport. Your only problem
is getting to the main road to catch the trolley and then it is a
straight ride to the government warehouse.
What happened to Private industry & Money?
Money is nothing more than stored energy. But since the crude dried
up, the 'real energy' behind the money has vanished...and so did
private industry. What about the coal mines...all government owned. If
you want to eat you work..it is that simple.
So, what is money good for nowadays...to wipe your *****?
Not really, the government supplied toilet paper works better than
that.
Martha Stewart syndrome died out long ago, now people are happy to eat
rice and beans and get a clean glass of water to drink.
After all, the government can't afford to fool around decorating
everyone's house, they can hardly produce enough food to keep a
fraction of the population alive. Yes, tractors, reapers and farming
is very crude intensive...but no one bothered to think about that as
they continued to squander the worlds petroleum resources.
On a positive note, since most of the population died off from
'natural causes', the government does not have to worry about passing
'population control' any longer. They tried to get that universally
opposed program passed for many years, but the public just would not
go for it...too UN-American...goes against our religious
upbringings...too controversial and all of the rest. We can still hear
the cries now...Communist!...Atheist!...Baby
Killer....Hitler....Impeach the President!!!!
Such objections are only subjective and prejudicial states of mind.
As such, all problems related to 'controversial subjects' such as this
are problems created in the mind...the mind of ego based, prejudicial
man. If you find yourself being distracted with such thoughts as 'too
controversial' just ask yourself if the proposed controversy is true,
false or I don't know?
This introspective method may help you become truth based and not ego
based. You will have made a 'choice divorced of need'...you wont 'need
your ego' to support the truth...the truth will be able to stand on
its own.
But nature helped us humans out with that hard decision - for nature
does not discriminate nor find the truth too controversial or
provocative or opinionated to be true. And in the end, nature settled
the dispute of population control with even handed justice of 75% of
our population dying off, ever reminding us all that nature does not
bow to man...it is always man that bows to nature.
But, people hold no grudges against nature and are more in harmony
with nature and enjoy a simpler life nowadays. People pick pine
needles from trees to make their tea, since there is no jet fuel to
import any Darjeeling tea or coffee. Once in a while people are able
to kill a bird, a rat or cat to supplement their diet - so we still
can find a place of gratitude in our life for such gifts.
Of course one problem still haunts the world?
The last remaining buckets of crude will soon be gone and they have
still not found out how to make the tires for the solar powered golf
carts and scooters without that critical ingredient of crude oil?
Add it all together and you have 'America...a Democratic, Communist
Nation Under God.' as the 'best fit ' equation.
And for dessert add 'politics as usual' and we can see nothing
substantive will be done in the US to fix our energy woes until it is
too late. (Really it can't be fixed, we can only slowed down the
inevitable at this point.)
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F
BTW, do I like communism?
No, I like things EXACTLY as they are. But what I like doesn't
matter...neither does what you like matter. That's the point, for the
US to survive, we must put 'what matters to our country' on the front
burner. And as our country survives so do we survive.
Alan Watts used to say, it doesn't matter what you think, it doesn't
matter what you like, it doesn't matter what you hope for...all that
really matters is what IS.
Sure we keep our treasured paper money, our guns, and what have you.
The atheists can still be atheists and the Christians, Muslims and
Jews can still worship as they like...that is why we would be a free
democracy...of sorts.
But the difference is, instead of the ego based decisions that
politicians and the titans of business get sucked into, they will put
the long term viability as top priority over personal profit. We must
all pull together and stop pulling in counterproductive directions.
The gov needs to cut the fat and stop all this foolish sickness that
they are addicted to in Washington. Hire yourself some truth based
philosophers and futurists as Socrates suggested in the Republic as an
oversight committee to keep you guys on track.
One important thing would be to add an addendum to the constitution or
bill of rights or whatever other documents that outlines what we are
'now' all about...something that is clear advice that we can all look
to and not the 1000 page BS that politician use to hide their
sickness.
And yes,...hiding behavior is a signpost of die-ease.
And put it right upfront in the addendum as to why things changed...we
were energy whores and had no other choice.
But realize this, throughout history many great nations that once were
are not around any longer. Hopefully the US will understand this and
start accepting the truth that something has to give and it can't be
business as usual...it doesn't matter what you like...it doesn't
matter what you hope for...all that really matters is what is.
See:
http://www.amazon.com/Out-Gas-End-Age-Oil/dp/0393058573
http://www.amazon.com/Hubberts-Peak-Impending-World-Shortage/dp/0691116253
http://www.lastoilshock.com/
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/
http://www.amazon.com/Resource-Wars-Landscape-Conflict-Introduction/dp/08050=
55762
http://www.amazon.com/Long-Emergency-Converging-Catastrophes-Twenty-First/dp=
/0871138883
http://dieoff.org/
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
Futurist
Urban Homesteader
AA#2
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