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22 Oct 2004 08:16:45 PM |
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Religious Leaders Ahead in Iraq Poll
U.S.-Supported Government Is Losing Ground
By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 22, 2004; Page A01
Leaders of Iraq's religious parties have emerged as the country's most
popular politicians and would win the largest share of votes if an election
were held today, while the U.S.-backed government of interim Prime Minister
Ayad Allawi is losing serious ground, according to a U.S.-financed poll by
the International Republican Institute.
More than 45 percent of Iraqis also believe that their country is heading
in
the wrong direction, and 41 percent say it is moving in the right
direction.
Within the Bush administration, a victory by Iraq's religious parties is
viewed as the worst-case scenario. Washington has hoped that Allawi and the
current team, which was selected by U.S. and U.N. envoys, would win or do
well in Iraq's first democratic election, in January. U.S. officials
believe
a secular government led by moderates is critical, in part because the new
government will oversee writing a new Iraqi constitution.
"The picture it paints is that, after all the blood and treasure we've
spent
and despite the [U.S.-led] occupation's democracy efforts, we're in a
position now that the moderates would not win if an election were held
today," said a U.S. official who requested anonymity because the poll has
not been released.
U.S. officials acknowledge that the political honeymoon after the handover
of political power on June 28 ended much earlier than anticipated. The new
poll, based on 2,000 face-to-face interviews conducted among all ethnic and
religious groups nationwide between Sept. 24 and Oct. 4, shows that Iraqi
support for the government has plummeted to about 43 percent who believe it
is effective, down from 62 percent in a late-summer poll.
A senior State Department official played down the results. "When the
interim government took over, the [poll] numbers were artificially high.
It's very difficult to meet expectations when they're sky-high," he said on
the condition of anonymity because the data are still being analyzed.
But in another blow, one out of three Iraqis blames the U.S.-led
multinational force for Iraq's security problems, slightly more than the 32
percent who blame foreign terrorists, the poll shows. Only 8 percent blame
members of the former government.
"We had convinced everyone -- Americans and Iraqis -- that things might
change with the return of sovereignty, but, in fact, things went the other
way," a congressional staff member said. "What's particularly damning is
that the multinational force gets more blame than the terrorists for the
problems in Iraq. It's all trending in the wrong way . . . and it's not
likely we'll be able to change public sentiment much before the election. "
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Allah will win |
27 Oct 2004 05:17:09 AM |
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<<cut all the waffle>>
Allah will hardly win, as allah, like all gods, is just a man made myth
Man, with his imaginary gods will wipe all of themselves out one day; and it
will be in the name of their fictional gods!
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| User: "George Washington Hayduke" |
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| Title: Re: Allah will win |
27 Oct 2004 11:51:30 PM |
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bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
<<cut all the waffle>>
Allah will hardly win, as allah, like all gods, is just a man made myth
Man, with his imaginary gods will wipe all of themselves out one day; and it
will be in the name of their fictional gods!
I don't agree -- not quite, any way. The gods _do_ exist, and they exist
by the millions. They exist within the minds of the people who create them
and if we look at the Islamic freedom fighters in Iraq and contrast their
successes over the Christians that invaded them, the people who created
Allah are doing better than the people who created Jesus.
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| User: "Paul Murray" |
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28 Oct 2004 04:38:53 AM |
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"George Washington Hayduke" <Hayduke@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
news:10o0uqk6s1mrof6@corp.supernews.com...
I don't agree -- not quite, any way. The gods _do_ exist, and they exist
by the millions. They exist within the minds of the people who create
them
and if we look at the Islamic freedom fighters in Iraq and contrast their
successes over the Christians that invaded them, the people who created
Allah are doing better than the people who created Jesus.
Naaah. A "god" is a thing where if you kiss its ***** sincerely enough, it
will give you free stuff and do tricks. (Water into wine. Hilarious!)
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: Allah will win |
28 Oct 2004 01:06:23 AM |
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George Washington Hayduke wrote:
bob young <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
<<cut all the waffle>>
Allah will hardly win, as allah, like all gods, is just a man made myth
Man, with his imaginary gods will wipe all of themselves out one day; and it
will be in the name of their fictional gods!
I don't agree -- not quite, any way. The gods _do_ exist, and they exist
by the millions. They exist within the minds of the people who create them
and if we look at the Islamic freedom fighters in Iraq and contrast their
successes over the Christians that invaded them, the people who created
Allah are doing better than the people who created Jesus.
I think we basically agree, and the Islamists win because they are more slavish
to their imaginary god and will die willingly for it. Because they are so
immersed in their myth they tend to hate anyone outside their sphere [Infidels]
and see no wrong in killing those outside.
Like I said, we will probably all die in the name of mythical gods.
The greatedst fear for man, is man himself.
I have to smile to myself when reading something along the lines of 'Man has
become civilised and has lifted himself above the level of the animals.'
Human arrogence at it worst! It is we who are the peculiar ones on this planet,
not the animals.
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| User: "Paul Murray" |
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28 Oct 2004 04:36:02 AM |
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"George Washington Hayduke" <Hayduke@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
news:10njcbqr5q5ic67@corp.supernews.com...
"The picture it paints is that, after all the blood and treasure we've
spent
and despite the [U.S.-led] occupation's democracy efforts, we're in a
position now that the moderates would not win if an election were held
today," said a U.S. official who requested anonymity because the poll has
not been released.
LOL! No *****? All that raping children in Abu Garib and dropping bombs into
slums, and the Iraqis *still* don't appreciate all the effort that the US
has spent on nation building? Imagine!
Also in the news: the palestinians being forced into ghettos by the Israeli
govenment feel much the same about it as did the german Jews when the nazis
did it to them. Film at 11.
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| User: "George Washington Hayduke" |
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| Title: Re: Allah will win |
28 Oct 2004 10:55:17 PM |
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"Paul Murray" <p.nospam.murray@bigpond.com> wrote:
"George Washington Hayduke" <Hayduke@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
news:10njcbqr5q5ic67@corp.supernews.com...
"The picture it paints is that, after all the blood and treasure we've
spent and despite the [U.S.-led] occupation's democracy efforts, we're in a
position now that the moderates would not win if an election were held
today," said a U.S. official who requested anonymity because the poll has
not been released.
LOL! No *****? All that raping children in Abu Garib and dropping bombs into
slums, and the Iraqis *still* don't appreciate all the effort that the US
has spent on nation building? Imagine!
How many boys does America have to rape before they start appreciating
us, any way?
Also in the news: the palestinians being forced into ghettos by the Israeli
govenment feel much the same about it as did the german Jews when the nazis
did it to them. Film at 11.
And this regime is extremely friendly to Israel and every time Israel
slaughters kids, the Bush regime laughs about it.
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| User: "bob young" |
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29 Oct 2004 01:43:10 AM |
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George Washington Hayduke wrote:
"Paul Murray" <p.nospam.murray@bigpond.com> wrote:
"George Washington Hayduke" <Hayduke@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
news:10njcbqr5q5ic67@corp.supernews.com...
"The picture it paints is that, after all the blood and treasure we've
spent and despite the [U.S.-led] occupation's democracy efforts, we're in a
position now that the moderates would not win if an election were held
today," said a U.S. official who requested anonymity because the poll has
not been released.
LOL! No *****? All that raping children in Abu Garib and dropping bombs into
slums, and the Iraqis *still* don't appreciate all the effort that the US
has spent on nation building? Imagine!
How many boys does America have to rape before they start appreciating
us, any way?
Also in the news: the palestinians being forced into ghettos by the Israeli
govenment feel much the same about it as did the german Jews when the nazis
did it to them. Film at 11.
And this regime is extremely friendly to Israel and every time Israel
slaughters kids, the Bush regime laughs about it.
On this last point I have to say that it is well known the Israelis want a
peaceful existence.
All that is needed is for the bombers of cafes and buses to stop their sick
activities and then all the fighting will die out.
The Pals need to set up a democratic government that can control their own
country first and then have a meaningful dialogue with Israel, but right now
their country sems to be in the hands of the wanton killers. There's no future
in that, none at all!
Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong
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| User: "RainLover" |
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29 Oct 2004 10:51:28 AM |
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:43:10 +0800, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
George Washington Hayduke wrote:
"Paul Murray" <p.nospam.murray@bigpond.com> wrote:
"George Washington Hayduke" <Hayduke@AWOLBush.com> wrote in message
news:10njcbqr5q5ic67@corp.supernews.com...
"The picture it paints is that, after all the blood and treasure we've
spent and despite the [U.S.-led] occupation's democracy efforts, we're in a
position now that the moderates would not win if an election were held
today," said a U.S. official who requested anonymity because the poll has
not been released.
LOL! No *****? All that raping children in Abu Garib and dropping bombs into
slums, and the Iraqis *still* don't appreciate all the effort that the US
has spent on nation building? Imagine!
How many boys does America have to rape before they start appreciating
us, any way?
Also in the news: the palestinians being forced into ghettos by the Israeli
govenment feel much the same about it as did the german Jews when the nazis
did it to them. Film at 11.
And this regime is extremely friendly to Israel and every time Israel
slaughters kids, the Bush regime laughs about it.
On this last point I have to say that it is well known the Israelis want a
peaceful existence.
All that is needed is for the bombers of cafes and buses to stop their sick
activities and then all the fighting will die out.
Okay Bob... Let me force my way into your home, take over your
livingroom and kitchen and confine you to your smallest bedroom...
THEN, I'll tell you that when you stop resisting, we can talk...
Right.
The Pals need to set up a democratic government that can control their own
country first and then have a meaningful dialogue with Israel, but right now
their country sems to be in the hands of the wanton killers. There's no future
in that, none at all!
The 'wonton killers' are on BOTH sides of the coin! ... while you're
in your bedroom trying to relax and stop resisting my home invasion,
I'm going to kill off half your family too... but if you raise arms,
that's just PROOF you don't want peace.
James, Seattle
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| User: "Tock" |
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22 Oct 2004 10:09:25 PM |
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I saw a new discount store in the ethnic part of town: "Allah Dallah."
-Tock
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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23 Oct 2004 02:19:58 AM |
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In article <FXjed.9022$q%7.5545@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
tock@sbcglobal.net says...
I saw a new discount store in the ethnic part of town: "Allah Dallah."
Heh. I suppose it was just down the street from the Hindu dollar
store, "Everything is One"?
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "raven1" |
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23 Oct 2004 04:24:18 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 07:19:58 GMT, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <FXjed.9022$q%7.5545@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
tock@sbcglobal.net says...
I saw a new discount store in the ethnic part of town: "Allah Dallah."
Heh. I suppose it was just down the street from the Hindu dollar
store, "Everything is One"?
A Hindu walks into a pizzeria, and tells the counter man "make me one
with everything"...
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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23 Oct 2004 04:35:44 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:24:18 GMT in alt.atheism, raven1 (raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 07:19:58 GMT, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <FXjed.9022$q%7.5545@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
tock@sbcglobal.net says...
I saw a new discount store in the ethnic part of town: "Allah Dallah."
Heh. I suppose it was just down the street from the Hindu dollar
store, "Everything is One"?
A Hindu walks into a pizzeria, and tells the counter man "make me one
with everything"...
and gives the man 20 dollars.
"Where my change," he asks.
"Change comes from within," is the reply.
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| User: "Fear gan dia" |
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27 Oct 2004 01:15:55 PM |
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Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by (George Washington Hayduke)
in <10njcbqr5q5ic67@corp.supernews.com>:
Religious Leaders Ahead in Iraq Poll
U.S.-Supported Government Is Losing Ground
By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 22, 2004; Page A01
Leaders of Iraq's religious parties have emerged as the country's most
popular politicians and would win the largest share of votes if an election
were held today, while the U.S.-backed government of interim Prime Minister
Ayad Allawi is losing serious ground, according to a U.S.-financed poll by
the International Republican Institute.
More than 45 percent of Iraqis also believe that their country is heading
in
the wrong direction, and 41 percent say it is moving in the right
direction.
Within the Bush administration, a victory by Iraq's religious parties is
viewed as the worst-case scenario. Washington has hoped that Allawi and the
current team, which was selected by U.S. and U.N. envoys, would win or do
well in Iraq's first democratic election, in January. U.S. officials
believe
a secular government led by moderates is critical, in part because the new
government will oversee writing a new Iraqi constitution.
"The picture it paints is that, after all the blood and treasure we've
spent
and despite the [U.S.-led] occupation's democracy efforts, we're in a
position now that the moderates would not win if an election were held
today," said a U.S. official who requested anonymity because the poll has
not been released.
U.S. officials acknowledge that the political honeymoon after the handover
of political power on June 28 ended much earlier than anticipated. The new
poll, based on 2,000 face-to-face interviews conducted among all ethnic and
religious groups nationwide between Sept. 24 and Oct. 4, shows that Iraqi
support for the government has plummeted to about 43 percent who believe it
is effective, down from 62 percent in a late-summer poll.
A senior State Department official played down the results. "When the
interim government took over, the [poll] numbers were artificially high.
It's very difficult to meet expectations when they're sky-high," he said on
the condition of anonymity because the data are still being analyzed.
But in another blow, one out of three Iraqis blames the U.S.-led
multinational force for Iraq's security problems, slightly more than the 32
percent who blame foreign terrorists, the poll shows. Only 8 percent blame
members of the former government.
"We had convinced everyone -- Americans and Iraqis -- that things might
change with the return of sovereignty, but, in fact, things went the other
way," a congressional staff member said. "What's particularly damning is
that the multinational force gets more blame than the terrorists for the
problems in Iraq. It's all trending in the wrong way . . . and it's not
likely we'll be able to change public sentiment much before the election. "
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27 Oct 2004 01:17:39 PM |
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Verily verily I say unto you, it is written by (George Washington Hayduke)
in <10njcbqr5q5ic67@corp.supernews.com>:
Religious Leaders Ahead in Iraq Poll
U.S.-Supported Government Is Losing Ground
By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 22, 2004; Page A01
Leaders of Iraq's religious parties have emerged as the country's most
popular politicians and would win the largest share of votes if an election
were held today, while the U.S.-backed government of interim Prime Minister
Ayad Allawi is losing serious ground, according to a U.S.-financed poll by
the International Republican Institute.
More than 45 percent of Iraqis also believe that their country is heading
in
the wrong direction, and 41 percent say it is moving in the right
direction.
Within the Bush administration, a victory by Iraq's religious parties is
viewed as the worst-case scenario. Washington has hoped that Allawi and the
current team, which was selected by U.S. and U.N. envoys, would win or do
well in Iraq's first democratic election, in January. U.S. officials
believe
a secular government led by moderates is critical, in part because the new
government will oversee writing a new Iraqi constitution.
"The picture it paints is that, after all the blood and treasure we've
spent
and despite the [U.S.-led] occupation's democracy efforts, we're in a
position now that the moderates would not win if an election were held
today," said a U.S. official who requested anonymity because the poll has
not been released.
In other words: Mission Accomplished. The US has remade Iraq
in its own image - heading into an election that is likely
to be stolen by a fundy extremist party that wants to turn
the country into a medieval theocracy.
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DUMP THE CHIMP! Re-elect a Democrat in '04.
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