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"Fredric L. Rice" |
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12 Aug 2005 07:35:38 PM |
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Allah wins thanks to Tony Blair! |
I can't imagine what Christians think about their boy Bush and
his assaults against not only Americans but against Christianity
itself. Rape of boys, torture, mass murder... these are supposed
to not be Christian ideals. In fact, they're all in the list of
Top 10 "no nos" that Christians like Bush and his supporters and
defenders aren't supposed to engage in.
But what about those Christians who support Bush? In their hearts
they have sinned in rape, torture, and murder just as much as Bush
has and they will all burn in Hell right along side their Fuhrer.
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Give up your freedoms - or change tack
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,9115,1546673,00.html
by Saad al-Fagih
No one will be more pleased than Osama bin Laden with the
new measures announced by Tony Blair. He will be even more
pleased should the prime minister succeed in turning his plans
into legislation. There are two reasons for Bin Laden's
satisfaction at what doubtless looks to him like a historic victory.
First, he will believe he has succeeded in forcing Britain to
abandon a number of hard-earned achievements in the fields of
justice and liberty - achievements that took centuries of struggle
and evolution to accomplish. Bin Laden will rejoice because he
has forced society into forsaking these values. This, he believes,
will leave the west open to eventual defeat at the hands of Muslims.
Both moderate and jihadist Islamist activists have long
recognised the values of justice and liberty within western
societies as the foundation of western dominance in the past
few centuries. A dictum attributed to Ibn Taymiya, a renowned
Muslim scholar born seven centuries ago, states that God will
lend victory to a just nation even if it is infidel and bring defeat to
the unjust even if it they are Muslim. When the west loses its
values of justice, it will be defeated in the long run.
The second reason for Bin Laden's satisfaction is that his
strategy is based on absolute polarisation. The world is to be
split into two opposing camps: a bloc of Muslims with no infidels
in their midst and one of infidels with no Muslims in their midst.
The measures advocated by Blair and the accompanying
atmosphere of racial hatred might cause many Muslims living in
"infidel" western nations to leave for good. The harsher the
measures adopted by Britain and other western societies, the
nearer we will get to fulfilling Bin Laden's strategic aim.
It is perhaps not surprising that Bin Laden was able to
manipulate the cowboy element in the American political
structures to his advantage, turning them into his own PR outfit,
which influenced huge numbers of Muslims to become
supporters of his group. What is surprising is that European, in
particular British, political establishments should take up the
American methods, enabling Bin Laden to score similar
successes on the European front.
One of the wonders of the confrontation with al-Qaida is that the
British decision-making institutions are running, cogs and
wheels, in tandem with those of the Americans, feeding on
sensationalism and appeasement of prejudice. The British
political establishment is abandoning its traditional reliance on
careful thinking, sound knowledge of current factors and a
determination not to endanger historical commitments.
Is this an inevitable result of the magnitude of the challenge
mounted by al-Qaida - or is it the product of attempts by
politicians such as Blair to mislead public opinion, which is
largely ignorant of the historical dimension of these complex issues?
Were we to look at Blair's speech a few days after the attacks in
London, we might be able to answer this question. Blair
acknowledged that al-Qaida poses a big strategic challenge;
that it possesses a clear objective and a determined plan; that it
is able to launch attacks in 26 countries; and that it is present in
all countries of significance worldwide. In short, Blair admits that
al-Qaida has been growing into an international force threatening
those who stand with the US.
Yet Blair did not follow his acknowledgements to their logical
conclusions. He did not say that this growth of al-Qaida
occurred during his and Bush's colossal war against it, using all
the military, political and intelligence powers at their disposal.
The logical conclusion must be that the so-called war on terror
in its present form, including the invasion of Iraq, is yielding
precisely the opposite results to those intended.
If I were British, I would have been proud of my people's reaction
to the bombings in London in the first few days after the event. I
saw calm, collectedness and self-control. This was the
authentic British people's reaction before their political leaders
got to work.
I thought this composure would translate into alarm at Blair's
subservience to the Americans. Then the political machinery
started to run, using the American method of turning the
smallest of prejudices, suppressed by centuries of civilisation,
into fires stoked by politicians and the media. I have been
surprised at the ease with which hard-won hallmarks of
civilisation, historical and ethical commitments, have been
dismissed so lightly. A daily diet of sensationalism and
soundbites has been presented as food for thought for the nation.
It is not for me to tell others how to run their affairs. But Britain
will now have to decide whether to relinquish its time-honoured
traditions and values in response to demagogic speeches and
proclamations - or to look carefully at its so-called war on terror
strategy and resolve to change tack.
Saad al-Fagih is a leading exiled Saudi dissident and director
of the Movement for Islamic Reform in Arabia
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Allah wins thanks to Tony Blair! |
14 Aug 2005 01:32:08 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote
But what about those Christians who support Bush? In their hearts
they have sinned in rape, torture, and murder just as much as Bush
has and they will all burn in Hell right along side their Fuhrer.
Bush's supporters are the "true" Christians -- the Fundamentalists, the
Evangelicals. They are all "Saved" or "Born Again." Their place in
Heaven assured, they eagerly await the rapture....
To doubt Bush is to doubt not only themselves, but their place in
the universe, their place within "creation." The moment they
acknowledge that Bush could fool them they have to also acknowledge
that a supernatural "Prince of Darkness" might also fool them. After
all, if a pandering momma's boy could do it then there'd be no
difficulty for a supernatural being. If they can't see through Bush then
how are they going to see through the anti-Christ? And if they can't
see through the anti-Christ then how are they ever going to get raptured?
Nope, sorry, the "Christians" are not capable of seeing Bush as
anything other than the instrument of morality.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Allah wins thanks to Tony Blair! |
14 Aug 2005 12:17:55 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote
But what about those Christians who support Bush? In their hearts
they have sinned in rape, torture, and murder just as much as Bush
has and they will all burn in Hell right along side their Fuhrer.
Bush's supporters are the "true" Christians -- the Fundamentalists, the
Evangelicals. They are all "Saved" or "Born Again." Their place in
Heaven assured, they eagerly await the rapture....
What passes for "leadership" in Christian America is disgusting.
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http://sf.irk.ru/www/ot3/otiii-gif.html
http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
http://www.spaink.net/cos/warhero/
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