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"footybet" |
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07 Feb 2005 05:12:08 AM |
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alternative to evolution |
I saw it on TV this morning
in Dover USA
teaching a different science than evolution
something about 'intelligence' which most of you don't seem to know
much about !
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: alternative to evolution |
07 Feb 2005 06:06:43 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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I saw it on TV this morning
in Dover USA
teaching a different science than evolution
something about 'intelligence' which most of you don't seem to know
much about !
Gee, that's certainly an interesting way to endear yourself to your audience
by starting out with an insult.
Let me guess - You can out of your medication again?
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| User: "footybet" |
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| Title: Re: alternative to evolution |
07 Feb 2005 06:20:40 AM |
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Gee, that's certainly an interesting way to endear yourself to your
audience
by starting out with an insult.
Why should I endear myself to vehemently atheistic people?
do you think that when you meet the Lord, He will have endeared you to
Him?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: alternative to evolution |
07 Feb 2005 07:11:33 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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Gee, that's certainly an interesting way to endear yourself to your
audience
by starting out with an insult.
Why should I endear myself to vehemently atheistic people?
Ah, so you're just trolling here then. Guess it's about time to toss you
back into the killfile.
do you think that when you meet the Lord, He will have endeared you to
Him?
That's a pretty stupid question to ask an atheist, don't you think?
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| User: "footybet" |
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| Title: Re: alternative to evolution |
07 Feb 2005 07:44:04 AM |
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Ah, so you're just trolling here then. Guess it's about time to toss
you
back into the killfile.
I was just saying that if you don't care for Him, He may not care for
you unless you ask for forgiveness...
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: alternative to evolution |
07 Feb 2005 07:49:05 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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Ah, so you're just trolling here then. Guess it's about time to toss
you
back into the killfile.
I was just saying that if you don't care for Him, He may not care for
you unless you ask for forgiveness...
How can I care for something I don't believe exists?
Do you care for the Easter Bunny? Why or why not?
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| User: "footybet" |
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| Title: Re: alternative to evolution |
07 Feb 2005 07:57:37 AM |
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Do you care for the Easter Bunny? Why or why not?
No, because I don't particularly have time for Easter Eggs
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Feb 2005 08:01:38 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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Do you care for the Easter Bunny? Why or why not?
No, because I don't particularly have time for Easter Eggs
Wow, that made absolutely no sense.
Are you claiming you believe in the Easter Bunny?
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| User: "footybet" |
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07 Feb 2005 08:13:50 AM |
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Are you claiming you believe in the Easter Bunny?
If you don't think about something you never miss it
that is why I don't understand some of you atheists
as you seem to think about the existence of God
I never think about the existence of the Easter Bunny because
as a child I was never told about the Easter Bunny, and I haven't
come across it as an adult as it is not talked about at Church
and if the Priest did start talking about the virtues of the Easter
Bunny
then I really would consider changing my religion !!!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Feb 2005 08:19:19 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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Are you claiming you believe in the Easter Bunny?
If you don't think about something you never miss it
that is why I don't understand some of you atheists
as you seem to think about the existence of God.
Sure I've thought about it. However, as there's no evidence such a being
exists, I am unable to believe in it.
I never think about the existence of the Easter Bunny because
as a child I was never told about the Easter Bunny, and I haven't
come across it as an adult as it is not talked about at Church
Is that the only place you hear people talking? In your church?
and if the Priest did start talking about the virtues of the Easter
Bunny
then I really would consider changing my religion !!!
That's really sad.
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| User: "footybet" |
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07 Feb 2005 08:34:28 AM |
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Is that the only place you hear people talking? In your church?
if by that, you mean Do I gossip?
no I don't gossip but I do have conversations in other places than
Church
as for sad
what is sad is that you do not respect the Story of Easter
when Jesus accepted His death on the cross
you should respect that even if you don't think that He is the Son of
God...
how many people do you know who would die such a terrible death for
others' sake
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Feb 2005 08:46:31 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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Is that the only place you hear people talking? In your church?
if by that, you mean Do I gossip?
No, that's not what I meant. Pretty funny that you took it that way though.
Feeling guilty?
no I don't gossip but I do have conversations in other places than
Church
as for sad
what is sad is that you do not respect the Story of Easter
when Jesus accepted His death on the cross
you should respect that even if you don't think that He is the Son of
God...
Where have I said that I don't "respect" that particular story? And it is
just story. Do you respect the "stories" of any other of the world's
religions?
how many people do you know who would die such a terrible death for
others' sake
But, according to your religion, he came back to life less than three days
later. I'd hardly call that a sacrifice - More of a mild and temporary
inconvenience.
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| User: "footybet" |
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07 Feb 2005 08:57:23 AM |
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Where have I said that I don't "respect" that particular story? And
it is
just story. Do you respect the "stories" of any other of the world's
religions?
firstly it is a True Story, why did over 80 people write Gospels about
Jesus
I am reading the Qur'an and I believe the Truth that is in that
I respect the Jewish Torah and believe in the creator the Holy One of
Israel as they do
with the Burning Bush that Moses witnessed
how many people do you know who would die such a terrible death for
others' sake?
But, according to your religion, he came back to life less than three
days
later. I'd hardly call that a sacrifice - More of a mild and
temporary >
inconvenience.
the fact that he felt the pain of Crucifixion is enough
I meant, who would go through a Crucifixion even if they knew that by
some miracle they would come back to life
if he was merely human it would have been better for Jesus to die
completely as you do not grieve your own death
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Feb 2005 09:06:38 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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Where have I said that I don't "respect" that particular story? And
it is
just story. Do you respect the "stories" of any other of the world's
religions?
firstly it is a True Story, why did over 80 people write Gospels about
Jesus
Sorry, but that's not evidence that it's a "true story". Don't you have
anything better?
I am reading the Qur'an and I believe the Truth that is in that
Such as what, exactly?
I respect the Jewish Torah and believe in the creator the Holy One of
Israel as they do
with the Burning Bush that Moses witnessed
Okay, but based on what evidence?
how many people do you know who would die such a terrible death for
others' sake?
But, according to your religion, he came back to life less than three
days
later. I'd hardly call that a sacrifice - More of a mild and
temporary >
inconvenience.
the fact that he felt the pain of Crucifixion is enough
In your opinion, of course.
I meant, who would go through a Crucifixion even if they knew that by
some miracle they would come back to life
There are people in the Philipines who go through it on a yearly basis.
Granted they don't croak from it, but they are nailed to a cross. They seem
to handle it quite well.
if he was merely human it would have been better for Jesus to die
completely as you do not grieve your own death
No, I don't "grieve my own death". Death is a part of life. Deal with it.
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| User: "footybet" |
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07 Feb 2005 09:19:16 AM |
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if he was merely human it would have been better for Jesus to die
completely as you do not grieve your own death
No, I don't "grieve my own death". Death is a part of life. Deal
with it.
I believe in Life Everlasting and at times, I feel I am physically
Immortal as well
why? because you only die when your Brain stops functioning and the
medication I receive keeps it functioning even better
I beleive in Everlasting Life most vehemently as my late Dad talks to
me
there is my proof and that is all I need, but if you don't wish to
remain alive in Spirit when you die
then it may be that when you meet the Creator God, he may not give you
Eternal Life...
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Feb 2005 09:24:51 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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if he was merely human it would have been better for Jesus to die
completely as you do not grieve your own death
No, I don't "grieve my own death". Death is a part of life. Deal
with it.
I believe in Life Everlasting and at times, I feel I am physically
Immortal as well
why? because you only die when your Brain stops functioning and the
medication I receive keeps it functioning even better
I beleive in Everlasting Life most vehemently as my late Dad talks to
me
there is my proof and that is all I need,
It's also a sign of menta, illness.
but if you don't wish to
remain alive in Spirit when you die
I'd have to see evidence that the "spirit" exists first before I could come
to such a conclusion.
then it may be that when you meet the Creator God, he may not give you
Eternal Life...
Prove that this creator god exists and that I will meet it.
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| User: "Neil Kelsey" |
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07 Feb 2005 12:37:35 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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if he was merely human it would have been better for Jesus to die
completely as you do not grieve your own death
No, I don't "grieve my own death". Death is a part of life. Deal
with it.
I believe in Life Everlasting and at times, I feel I am physically
Immortal as well
why? because you only die when your Brain stops functioning and the
medication I receive keeps it functioning even better
I beleive in Everlasting Life most vehemently as my late Dad talks to
me
there is my proof and that is all I need,
It's also a sign of menta, illness.
but if you don't wish to
remain alive in Spirit when you die
I'd have to see evidence that the "spirit" exists first before I could
come to such a conclusion.
then it may be that when you meet the Creator God, he may not give you
Eternal Life...
Prove that this creator god exists and that I will meet it.
But even in the christian scenario an atheist gets eternal life, right? It's
just eternal life in hell.
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| User: "RainLover" |
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08 Feb 2005 07:54:44 AM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 06:57:23 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com>
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the fact that he felt the pain of Crucifixion is enough
Have you heard about the Catholics in the Philippines? Every year
dozens of them carry huge crosses through a town and then people NAIL
THEM to the crosses... with real nails, through their hands and then
have the crosses risen so they can hang.
If a that's all it takes to 'save' humankind then we've all been saved
a few hundred times in the last 50 years.
I meant, who would go through a Crucifixion even if they knew that by
some miracle they would come back to life
What do you mean "even if they knew". This Jesus of yours knew HE WAS
A *GOD* for Christsake. Where's the 'miracle' in a God not dying?
if he was merely human it would have been better for Jesus to die
completely as you do not grieve your own death
Why would a GOD grieve becoming pure GOD again?
James, Seattle
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Feb 2005 11:56:11 PM |
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 05:54:44 -0800, RainLover
<SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> said in alt.atheism:
On 7 Feb 2005 06:57:23 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com>
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if he was merely human it would have been better for Jesus to die
completely as you do not grieve your own death
Why would a GOD grieve becoming pure GOD again?
He was 100% man when that's needed to bolster the particular argument.
He was 100% god when that's needed to bolster the particular argument.
This is Christianity 101, not Logic 101.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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07 Feb 2005 07:06:18 PM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 06:57:23 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com>
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the fact that he felt the pain of Crucifixion is enough
I know people were tortured much worse than this assumed jesus.
I meant, who would go through a Crucifixion even if they knew that by
some miracle they would come back to life
Superman?
if he was merely human it would have been better for Jesus to die
completely as you do not grieve your own death
????
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| User: "RainLover" |
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08 Feb 2005 07:46:20 AM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 06:34:28 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com>
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Is that the only place you hear people talking? In your church?
if by that, you mean Do I gossip?
no I don't gossip but I do have conversations in other places than
Church
as for sad
what is sad is that you do not respect the Story of Easter
The "story" of Easter is a MYTH. Dying and rising from the dead has a
tradition in mythological stories dating back longer than your bible
says the earth has been around (aka: 6,000 years).
The celebration of easter was co-opted from Pagan celebrations of
Spring Equinox and life and fertility and the (GASP) REBIRTH of
nature.
Early Christians Took the Winter solstice (xmas) for the same
reason... to make pagan conversion to Christianity more palatable to
the Pagans
when Jesus accepted His death on the cross
you should respect that even if you don't think that He is the Son of
God...
Why? It's a myth... a story... a parable... Why respect all stories
of the dead rising?
how many people do you know who would die such a terrible death for
others' sake
It's a STORY. A MYTH. and, personally, is it REALLY such a sacrifice
when your a GOD? Why would 'death' be a horrible thing for a GOD?
You're placing your own human feelings and fear onto a supernatural
being that would have neither physical feeling or fear.
James, Seattle
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| User: "sanguinevikings" |
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07 Feb 2005 08:45:41 AM |
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footybet wrote:
Is that the only place you hear people talking? In your church?
if by that, you mean Do I gossip?
no I don't gossip but I do have conversations in other places than
Church
as for sad
what is sad is that you do not respect the Story of Easter
when Jesus accepted His death on the cross
you should respect that even if you don't think that He is the Son of
God...
how many people do you know who would die such a terrible death for
others' sake
He didn't die, he never lived. It's only important because you
Christians keep destroying civilisations, and now you have it in for the
one we live in because you lost control of it.
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07 Feb 2005 09:18:20 AM |
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On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 09:01:38 -0500, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com>
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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Do you care for the Easter Bunny? Why or why not?
No, because I don't particularly have time for Easter Eggs
Wow, that made absolutely no sense.
Are you claiming you believe in the Easter Bunny?
You've confused the poor lad, Robyn. It's a cultural thing - the Easter bunny
does not feature much at Easter in the UK. We tend to go more for chocolate
Easter eggs.
Both the egg and the rabbit are symbols of fertility, underlining the pagan
"rebirth" origins of Easter.
JPG
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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07 Feb 2005 07:01:18 PM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 05:57:37 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com>
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Do you care for the Easter Bunny? Why or why not?
No, because I don't particularly have time for Easter Eggs
Blasphemer! For that you will have to paint Easter Eggs for all
eternity!
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| User: "footybet" |
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07 Feb 2005 08:06:56 AM |
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Do you care for the Easter Bunny? Why or why not?
No, because I don't particularly have time for Easter Eggs
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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07 Feb 2005 07:01:17 PM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 05:44:04 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com>
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Ah, so you're just trolling here then. Guess it's about time to toss
you
back into the killfile.
I was just saying that if you don't care for Him, He may not care for
you unless you ask for forgiveness...
Him? Who? Odin isn't that fuzzy.
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08 Feb 2005 11:50:30 AM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 04:20:40 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com>
wrote:
Gee, that's certainly an interesting way to endear yourself to your
audience
by starting out with an insult.
Why should I endear myself to vehemently atheistic people?
do you think that when you meet the Lord, He will have endeared you to
Him?
Which particular Lord are you referring to? I visited one of the Duke
Of Devonshires Estate only last week. He endeared me to him by
providing free facilities for us to enjoy, lovely woodland walks with
well maintained paths alongside the river and an excellent cafe
restaurant where we enjoyed an excellent lunch.
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Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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07 Feb 2005 10:23:21 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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I saw it on TV this morning
in Dover USA
teaching a different science than evolution
something about 'intelligence' which most of you don't seem to know
much about !
Hey if you're happier claiming that the majority of scienitists in the world
are wrong and your little book of fables is more accurate then thats fine,
but please don't try and pretend you're being intelligent.
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07 Feb 2005 05:48:17 AM |
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On 7 Feb 2005 03:12:08 -0800, "footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote:
I saw it on TV this morning
in Dover USA
teaching a different science than evolution
something about 'intelligence' which most of you don't seem to know
much about !
Is that meant to be an insult? Because if it is you can ***** right now.
If, however, I was to be generous, I would think you were referring to
"Intelligent Design". This is, and I emphasise this, is NOT a science, but a
backdoor way of introducing religion into American public schools, which unlike
British state schools, do not mandate the teaching of religion.
You were being either ignorant or arrogant (or both) when you said that most of
the regulars here do not know any much about it. This topic has been talked
about ad nauseum on this newsgroup (and talk.origins and others) and forms one
of the main planks of American atheists antithesis towards the fundamentalists
who used to be an irritation, but since the election of a fundamentalist to the
White House, this Intelligent Design nonsense has gained renewed strength and is
now a weeping sore.
You really ought to keep up with what is said on this newsgroup and others, such
as talk.origins, because you run the danger, as you did with this post, of
looking an idiot. Perhaps if you looked properly you might eventually see what
a load of old bollocks religion is and come to your senses, though I suspect
that is a forlorn hope.
JPG
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| User: "footybet" |
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07 Feb 2005 06:28:35 AM |
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Perhaps if you looked properly you might eventually see what
a load of old bollocks religion is and come to your senses, though I
suspect
that is a forlorn hope.
JPG
'religio' simply means "hold it together"
so religion is good for you in that if you are religious, you are
'holding it all together'
so it follows that anyone who is 'holding it all together' is religious
in your above post, you nearly lost it by taking the bait at my joke
but then you calmed down and 'held it together'
so you became religious even though you are atheist
some of us develop this 'holding it together' by attending mass and
being in communion
and this type of religion leads to Faith
whereas your 'holding it together' may give you faith in yourself, but
not a sense of communion, so you may feel lonely at times...yes, you
may have friends, but they will be too busy 'holding it together' to
bother about you...
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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07 Feb 2005 07:12:10 AM |
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"footybet" <damian@bleachboys.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps if you looked properly you might eventually see what
a load of old bollocks religion is and come to your senses, though I
suspect
that is a forlorn hope.
JPG
'religio' simply means "hold it together"
so religion is good for you in that if you are religious, you are
'holding it all together'
so it follows that anyone who is 'holding it all together' is religious
in your above post, you nearly lost it by taking the bait at my joke
but then you calmed down and 'held it together'
so you became religious even though you are atheist
some of us develop this 'holding it together' by attending mass and
being in communion
and this type of religion leads to Faith
whereas your 'holding it together' may give you faith in yourself, but
not a sense of communion, so you may feel lonely at times...yes, you
may have friends, but they will be too busy 'holding it together' to
bother about you...
Some of us "hold it together" all my ourselves.
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