Religions > Atheism > am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing
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22 Jun 2007 06:03:59 PM |
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am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 12:35:14 AM |
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"TRUECRISTIAN" <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1182553439.013739.229900@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
If you stop trying to convert us and insulting us,
but visit here out of plain old curiosity, you could
still have a chance here in alt.atheism. Ask
questions that don't have built in assumptions
in them. And, when you answer questions, try
to be polite. We aren't going to agree on much
of anything, but it will be a learning experience.
As to your depression, have you seen a doctor about
this? Are you taking any kind of medicine to help
control it? Have you been out in the sunlight lately?
That last is a serious question. Natural sunlight is
good for depression in some cases.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
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When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot ofsevere psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 08:01:56 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:35:14 -0400, Michelle Malkin wrote:
"TRUECRISTIAN" <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1182553439.013739.229900@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore. I've
tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for some
stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
If you stop trying to convert us and insulting us, but visit here out of
plain old curiosity, you could still have a chance here in alt.atheism.
Ask questions that don't have built in assumptions in them. And, when
you answer questions, try to be polite. We aren't going to agree on much
of anything, but it will be a learning experience.
As to your depression, have you seen a doctor about this? Are you taking
any kind of medicine to help control it? Have you been out in the
sunlight lately? That last is a serious question. Natural sunlight is
good for depression in some cases.
I don't believe a word of it. The troll posts this "poor me, I have
depression" regularly. Looks to me to be no more than a ploy of some
demented kind. It'll go back to trashing us presently...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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| User: "Frank Mayhar" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot ofsevere psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 02:26:47 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:01:56 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:35:14 -0400, Michelle Malkin wrote:
"TRUECRISTIAN" <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1182553439.013739.229900@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
[Babble.]
I don't believe a word of it. The troll posts this "poor me, I have
depression" regularly. Looks to me to be no more than a ploy of some
demented kind. It'll go back to trashing us presently...
Bipolar. On the high side is a really aggressive piece of *****, on the
low side is a really pathetic piece of *****.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar*
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 08:34:04 PM |
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"Frank Mayhar" <> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.06.23.19.26.47@exit.com...
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:01:56 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:35:14 -0400, Michelle Malkin wrote:
"TRUECRISTIAN" <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1182553439.013739.229900@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
[Babble.]
I don't believe a word of it. The troll posts this "poor me, I have
depression" regularly. Looks to me to be no more than a ploy of some
demented kind. It'll go back to trashing us presently...
Bipolar. On the high side is a really aggressive piece of *****, on the
low side is a really pathetic piece of *****.
I tried to be nice. Now, we'll see what happens.
--
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
Michelle Malkin (Mickey) aa list#1
BAAWA Knight & Bible Thumper Thumper
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
When fascism comes to America, it will be
wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross -
Sinclair Lewis
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Frank Mayhar http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar*
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 02:42:37 PM |
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On Jun 23, 3:26 pm, Frank Mayhar <f...@exit.com> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:01:56 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:35:14 -0400, Michelle Malkin wrote:
"TRUECRISTIAN" <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1182553439.013739.229900@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
[Babble.]
I don't believe a word of it. The troll posts this "poor me, I have
depression" regularly. Looks to me to be no more than a ploy of some
demented kind. It'll go back to trashing us presently...
Bipolar. On the high side is a really aggressive piece of *****, on the
low side is a really pathetic piece of *****.
Incredible sex and interesting shopping patterns.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot ofsevere psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 03:09:14 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:26:47 -0700, Frank Mayhar wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:01:56 -0500, Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:35:14 -0400, Michelle Malkin wrote:
"TRUECRISTIAN" <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1182553439.013739.229900@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
[Babble.]
I don't believe a word of it. The troll posts this "poor me, I have
depression" regularly. Looks to me to be no more than a ploy of some
demented kind. It'll go back to trashing us presently...
Bipolar. On the high side is a really aggressive piece of *****, on the
low side is a really pathetic piece of *****.
I'd say "pathetic piece of *****" on *both sides...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
22 Jun 2007 06:07:59 PM |
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"TRUECRISTIAN" <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1182553439.013739.229900@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
Why do you do this? You post all sorts of inflamatory, downright nasty *****
here and then turn around and go "Boo hoo, poor me. I've depressed. Somebody
help me".
I'm not buying it. Get bent.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 08:54:33 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:07:59 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"TRUECRISTIAN" <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1182553439.013739.229900@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
Why do you do this? You post all sorts of inflamatory, downright nasty *****
here and then turn around and go "Boo hoo, poor me. I've depressed. Somebody
help me".
I'm not buying it. Get bent.
Don't people like this have Imaginary Superfriends to keep them
company, cheer them up, etc.?
Perhaps his needs new batteries.
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
22 Jun 2007 10:49:33 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:07:59 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"TRUECRISTIAN" <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in message
news:1182553439.013739.229900@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
Why do you do this?
Because she's a masochist, Robyn. She can only be happy if she's
miserable.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
22 Jun 2007 06:16:18 PM |
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On 23 Jun., 01:03, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
*****, moron.
You insult us all the time and every three months, you come here,
whining... "I have a depression..."
Get a fucking life...
Don't expect any sympathy from us.
That's what you wrote, 5 days ago:
"When I read your site I am sickened by your bitterness and
unsensored
hatred. All you damned atheist think you know it all don't you?
Well
I got news for you: you don't! " Remember that?
Well, you got it right: we hate you.
Get lost.
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| User: "Stephen Knight" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
22 Jun 2007 10:02:05 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:03:59 -0700, TRUECRISTIAN <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM>
wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Kill yourself. A dead christian is a good christian.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
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| User: "Stan-O" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 07:46:25 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:03:59 -0700, TRUECRISTIAN <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM>
wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
Try alt.suicide.methods or alt.suicide.holiday. I'm sure you'll find
someone there who can help you out...
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot ofsevere psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 07:59:13 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:03:59 -0700, TRUECRISTIAN wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore. I've
tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for some
stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not, but
I thought I'd ask. ty
Newsgroups are not doctors nor treatment dolt. As I recall, you've posted
this dreck before. Is this just some weird sympathy ploy?
Whatever it is, it's stupid. Either go get treatment or shut up.
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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| User: "Eris" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
22 Jun 2007 06:20:36 PM |
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On Jun 22, 7:03 pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
For anyone who falls into this with depression, Exercise and nutrition
do wonders.
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| User: "" |
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23 Jun 2007 12:44:19 AM |
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On Jun 22, 7:03 pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
I have some unasked for advice for you. Find someone who has a nice
beagle dog, and ask to borrow it. Then take it for a long hike
through the woods.
I'm serious.
Just watching its enthusiasm for being alive and it being happy to be
sniffing all the molecules left by every other living thing, as well
as you being out of the house, and being out under the trees, will
improve your outlook a whole lot. 4 or 5 miles should do it. Take
water for the both of you, and a snack for the dog.
Better than drugs.
Then you can come back and tell us about it.
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| User: "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 02:42:14 AM |
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On Jun 23, 6:44 am, wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:03 pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
I have some unasked for advice for you. Find someone who has a nice
beagle dog, and ask to borrow it. Then take it for a long hike
through the woods.
These woods:
http://www.blairwitch.com/
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 04:30:04 AM |
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"The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." <hugh.jarse@heathens.org.uk> wrote in
message news:1182584534.947843.104140@u2g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 23, 6:44 am, wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:03 pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
I have some unasked for advice for you. Find someone who has a nice
beagle dog, and ask to borrow it. Then take it for a long hike
through the woods.
These woods:
http://www.blairwitch.com/
SNORT! ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot ofsevere psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
23 Jun 2007 11:18:25 AM |
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The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN. wrote:
On Jun 23, 6:44 am, wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:03 pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
I have some unasked for advice for you. Find someone who has a nice
beagle dog, and ask to borrow it. Then take it for a long hike
through the woods.
These woods:
http://www.blairwitch.com/
If they had taken a beagle along, things would have turned
out very differently. ;-)
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| User: "V" |
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22 Jun 2007 06:22:12 PM |
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On Jun 22, 7:03?pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
I discriminate against no one.
I welcome you.
I will say this is a list for atheists and agnostic, so if you plan on
promoting holy rolling you are talking to deaf ears here.
Glad you are writing about your problems.
Putting our complaints down on pen and paper first crystallizes in our
heads what needs to be changed or accepted in our lives.
Getting it all out and putting it all down is the first start of this
recognition process that leads us to recovery.
Without this recognition, that we are sick or something is wrong in
our lives, we cannot develop the desire for change.
We don't even know what is wrong to change!
Writing your complaints down is the first start to making the roadmap
for restructuring your life.
Restructuring our lives is very important if we want to get peace from
our addictions.
Those things that cannot be restructured need to be accepted.
Either way we can find peace -- by change or acceptance.
When you write, it uses a different part of the brain that mere
speaking uses and I seem to get amazing results from writing as
compared to just talking.
Writing helps crystallize your thoughts, it shares recovery with other
addicts and they can know they are not alone.
Just remember what the Buddhists say in the eightfold path about right
actions.
We have to use the right thoughts, the right actions and take the
right direction with recovery.
Just spinning our wheels in the wrong direction does little for
recovery, so write about things that matter to you and your recovery.
Some people use the list for jokes and other off topic subjects.
While it is important to laugh once in while it still boils down to
what my father used to tell me about living life "you only get out
what you put in."
What I would do with your letter is to print it out and distill what
needs to me changed in your lives.
There is no better roadmap for change than this.
Whatever we write or talk about that is eating at us needs to be
changed or accepted.
You have put in your inventory and thinking time to write our what is
eating at you.
Great simple living work! Now, all we have to do is finish the work we
started.
Pages 88 to 89 of the 12 and 12 of AA underscores how important
inventory work is to recovery work:
"When a drunk has a terrific hangover because he drank heavily
yesterday, he cannot live well today. But there is another kind of
hangover which we all experience whether we are drinking or not. That
is the emotional hangover, the direct result of yesterday's and
sometimes today's excesses of negative emotion-anger, fear, jealousy,
and the like, If we would live serenely today and tomorrow, we
certainly need to eliminate these hangovers.
This doesn't mean we need to wander morbidly around in the past. It
requires an admission and correction of errors now. Our inventory
enables us to settle with the past. When this is done, we are really
able to leave it behind us. When our inventory is carefully taken, and
we have made peace with ourselves, the conviction follows that
tomorrow's challenges can be met as they come."
When I first came to online recovery I saw how most people wrote about
what needed to be changed, but then seemed to stop and not do much to
change things.
Years later some of these people are still in the same boat
complaining about the same things.
If they cannot change the problem then they must learn to accept it,
these are the two roads to peace with a problem.
They can gratefully accept it for maximum serenity or begrudgingly
accept it as a start, but accept it they must one way or another if
they ever want any peace.
All we have to do is to look close at our writing and we will see what
needs to be done in our recovery lives.
Now, some things will never be changed and the best we can do is
lighten our load or work on accepting them.
If we can see some light at the end of a tunnel, sometimes acceptance
becomes easier if we know that a certain problems is for a short time
only and can see future improvement in our lives.
Be pointed in the direction of removing stress and problems in your
life at every turn.
If you make this your foremost purpose in life you will be successful
at reducing your stress load. Remember, you are not recovering until
you start refusing.
Refuse your old ways that have been tearing you down all these years.
When the individual has such conscious thoughts towards the
cultivation of change, so that whatever action they are engaged in -
it is always evaluated from that orientation - then they can find
great success with improving one's life from applying this single
pointed dedication to change and their practice and life become as
one.
Restructuring our lives takes time. An out of balance life helped fuel
many addictions and my sleep started to deteriorate to just a few
hours a night. Depression and sickness was also an added dividend from
wrong living.
First let me say that almost everyone suffers from bouts of depression
one time or another in their life just as all of us get colds every
now and again. But just like it is not normal for one to go through
life with a constant cold, it is not normal for us to be constantly
depressed either. Living an unbalanced life really contributed to my
depression. Stress and depression go hand in hand, then we get sick
from the stress and the depression and stress just gets worse and it
becomes a death spiral. We can define stress as "a state that evokes
effort on the part of the individual to maintain or restore
equilibrium."
The 2 R's are important to remember when it comes to stress
management. They are Reduce stress and Relationship to stress.
Reducing stress is the number one tool at our disposal. After we
reduce what we can then we must work on how we relate to stress that
cannot be reduced or eliminated. A life of voluntary simplicity has
helped me greatly in this area of stress reduction. In terms of
relating to stress, my Buddhist and Taoist practices as well as my 12
step work support me in this area. They help me accept or change the
problem...then it is solved either way. Tired of being angry? Just
relinquish control and anger will be diminished. Anger and control go
hand in hand. I discuss this topic in an earlier post "Justified
Anger"
Meditation and mindfulness helped calm my mind. A constantly busy kind
cannot heal itself. Joining the simple living movement help make time
for me to meditate and relax. Without time for contemplative
practices and relaxation I am sunk. This is an almost top necessity
for me.
Some information on zazen meditation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zazen
http://www.mro.org/zmm/teachings/meditation.php
I tell those that say they have no time to relax to get into voluntary
simplicity. In a nutshell, voluntary simplicity reminds us that if you
can't keep up, you need to scale back until you can keep up, if you
desire to live a life at peace. I need to eat right and sleep right
and exercise right as well. Many foods help trigger crazy thinking,
disturb sleep and can lead to depression, especially the salty and
chemical rich, artificial factory foods. This is much easier to see
once we clean up our diet and our thinking. I discuss a technique I
sue in an earlier post 'Star System' to help support this foundation
of balanced basics that lead to a flourishing life.
A good forum to support a life of voluntary simplicity is:
http://www.simpleliving.net/forums/
Sleep is also a problem with me as well as many health related stress
produced problems. My sleep has improved, but I have to keep a
watchful eye on my lifestyle as it can be back to problematic living
in short order. I also found that my depression and stress sickness
was greatly helped when I started to work on repairing the wreckage of
the past that was constantly being fueled by my various addictions.
From years of practicing these addictions I had dug a deep hole for
myself and my family. The bigger mess I made, the more stress I
created for myself and the more depression and hopelessness arose from
my wrong lifestyle.
Once I started to restructure my life in the direction of recovery,
the benefits started showing up at my door. One thing was certain, I
could not keep my old sick life and get better as well. Something had
to go. I was now on track and the problems my earlier life were being
cleaned up and I was not added new problems daily to add to the list
of old problems.
Some books on the subject of sleep. You can order any of these books
for free from a public library.
http://seoipac.seo.lib.oh.us/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=11F706604R3O2.12550&menu=search&aspect=basic_search&npp=10&ipp=20&spp=20&profile=mfp&ri=1&source=%7E%21horizon&index=.GW&term=sleep+disorders&aspect=basic_search#focus
Besides nutrition and getting the proper vitamins I have to work in
spiritual areas as well. I need a balanced way to live right - not
100% spiritual and not 100% physical, but need to blend the two
seamlessly for proper recovery. 12 step work as well as personal
religious and spiritual studies helped me in this area. We are
spiritual beings in a physical body living in a physical world so we
are governed by both spiritual as well as physical or natural laws.
So, we must never forget to work in both areas. In short, we have to
live right and not work against the natural laws as well as spiritual
laws that govern us if we want hopes for a new life.
Some of society do not think much of spiritual or divine laws. Even if
you are an atheist, you still must serve 2 Gods whether you like it or
not. If you claim you do not serve these Gods...then you must be the
God.
See:
http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=342.0
I am lucky to be able to recover in these areas using natural methods.
But other persons suffering from depression might have a chemical
imbalance in the brain and need medical advice and special
medications. If this is the case, it is a matter of doing the footwork
in all these medical areas to find out what can be done. Depression
can stem from many areas but once thing is for sure, If we dedicate
ourselves to work on getting better and making a better life for us we
can almost always improve our life in a positive direction and make
progress...but it takes work on our part to make these changes happen.
A couple of book lists for dealing with stress.
http://seoipac.seo.lib.oh.us/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=11718939T81V5.7394&profile=mfp&uri=link=3100026~!487551~!3100001~!3100002&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ri=11&source=~!horizon&term=Stress+%28Physiology%29&index=PSUBJ#focus
http://seoipac.seo.lib.oh.us/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=11718939T81V5.7394&profile=mfp&uri=link=3100026~!576001~!3100001~!3100002&aspect=basic_search&menu=search&ri=14&source=~!horizon&term=Stress+management&index=PSUBJ#focus
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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23 Jun 2007 02:15:31 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:22:12 -0700, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
When you write, it uses a different part of the brain that mere
speaking uses and I seem to get amazing results from writing as
compared to just talking.
I'm not sure that I'd consider being banned from virtually every forum
that you've frequented with your writing as being a positive form of
"amazing", but to each their own...
Writing helps crystallize your thoughts, it shares recovery with other
addicts and they can know they are not alone.
Then why don't you post your writing on a group for recovering
addicts? Or start a blog, for pity's sake. There's no reason for you
to continue your off-topic ramblings on alt.atheism, other than your
own egotistical needs.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "V" |
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23 Jun 2007 05:12:04 PM |
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On Jun 23, 3:15?am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:22:12 -0700, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
When you write, it uses a different part of the brain that mere
speaking uses and I seem to get amazing results from writing as
compared to just talking.
I'm not sure that I'd consider being banned from virtually every forum
that you've frequented with your writing as being a positive form of
"amazing", but to each their own...
Writing helps crystallize your thoughts, it shares recovery with other
addicts and they can know they are not alone.
Then why don't you post your writing on a group for recovering
addicts? Or start a blog, for pity's sake. There's no reason for you
to continue your off-topic ramblings on alt.atheism, other than your
own egotistical needs.
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Thanks for your reply Raven
I was on hundreds of addictions lists, but was banned me from all but
4 of them.
And these 4 are not open either, so I cannot post to them freely.
Addicts like to think themselves open minded in recovery, but are not.
I tried to join VOX blog, but they ban me from posting and I can only
reply to a few of the members posts.
Many of these Vox people delete my replies, so it end up wasting my
time.
Alt atheism is the best forum I've ever been on...open to discussion,
they don't delete my posts or ban me and lots of volume...could not
ask for more...well maybe less abusive language.
V (male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "raven1" |
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24 Jun 2007 04:09:44 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:12:04 -0000, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 23, 3:15?am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:22:12 -0700, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
When you write, it uses a different part of the brain that mere
speaking uses and I seem to get amazing results from writing as
compared to just talking.
I'm not sure that I'd consider being banned from virtually every forum
that you've frequented with your writing as being a positive form of
"amazing", but to each their own...
Writing helps crystallize your thoughts, it shares recovery with other
addicts and they can know they are not alone.
Then why don't you post your writing on a group for recovering
addicts? Or start a blog, for pity's sake. There's no reason for you
to continue your off-topic ramblings on alt.atheism, other than your
own egotistical needs.
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Thanks for your reply Raven
I was on hundreds of addictions lists, but was banned me from all but
4 of them.
Why do you think that might be?
And these 4 are not open either, so I cannot post to them freely.
Addicts like to think themselves open minded in recovery, but are not.
You, last I checked, were an addict in recovery...
I tried to join VOX blog, but they ban me from posting and I can only
reply to a few of the members posts.
Why do you think that is?
Many of these Vox people delete my replies, so it end up wasting my
time.
Why do you think that is?
Alt atheism is the best forum I've ever been on...open to discussion,
they don't delete my posts or ban me
No one has the ability to do so. This group is unmoderated.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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23 Jun 2007 08:00:16 AM |
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:22:12 -0700, V wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:03?pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore. I've
tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for some
stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
I discriminate against no one.
You just hate everyone.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys
on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING
like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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23 Jun 2007 08:35:50 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:00:16 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:22:12 -0700, V wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:03?pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore. I've
tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for some
stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
I discriminate against no one.
You just hate everyone.
Well, at least it's equal opportunity...
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| User: "V" |
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23 Jun 2007 05:20:25 PM |
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On Jun 23, 9:35?am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:00:16 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:22:12 -0700, V wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:03?pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore. I've
tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for some
stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
I discriminate against no one.
You just hate everyone.
Well, at least it's equal opportunity...- Hide quoted text -
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I hate no one Therion.
When I hate it destroys my peace.
If you are looking for an atheist kiss *****, then it is not me.
Neither do the theists get a theist kiss ***** in V
They get what I say I am...an agnostic freethinker.
Tired of being angry and fostering hatred Therion?
Just relinquish control and anger will be diminished.
Anger and control go hand in hand.
This is what separates the enlightened mind from the unenlightened
mind and why enlightenment can't be forced on someone.
Can you force someone to lose the anger if they are not ready to?
Some of these tendencies come from habit other times they stem from
ignorance. Either way we can change our habits or extinguish ignorance
with knowledge, mindfulness and practice. The first step is
realization that something is disturbing our peace needs to be
changed, so glad you have taken this first step for without
realization that there is a problem nothing can be done. I get stuck
here as well with wrong thoughts and wrong speech and am thankful for
your post as a reminder to be on guard of this tendency and to work on
being mindful of the Buddhist eightfold path. I already have the
knowledge but sometimes am not mindful of walking the path.
On page 90 of the AA's 12 and 12 the writers mention how the addict
cannot afford "justifiable anger" and it should be left to those
better qualified to handle it. With reference to this statement -- it
is gospel - there is no argument here. We can always settle such
disputes by looking deeply into the person, place, thing or emotion in
question and ask if it helps or hurts our practice?
Does having anger and hatred in our hearts ever increase our peace or
serenity or does it diminish it? Even is we are justified, so called,
in having this emotion does it suddenly become a peace generator in
our life with this newfound license to hate or is it still a peace
buster whether we have an excuse or not? The path is clear about which
direction to take and all that remains is the release of the anger.
Some people get confused with this anger question and beat themselves
for still experiencing this emotion thinking they should be a
"perfectly spiritual individual" and above such lowly emotions as
getting angry. They think they can perfect their lives and wipe out
natural law with one blow called spirituality.
Due to the diversity of thought we humans are capable of we have all
sorts of thoughts and emotions that pop up in our heads. Without this
ability we could not think as we do. But, just because thoughts or
emotions pop up in our heads the choice is ours alone whether we
foster and build on any particular thought or emotion.
Spirituality does not eliminate such thoughts - it just helps decide
what we do with them.
Anger is also part of our natural make up. Anger is an emotions that
can serve us when we need to summon it up in a life or death situation
such as self defense or when our species had to hunt big game for a
living - hunt with spears, clubs and rocks. Even if we are dealing
with life or death self defense and must generate anger, the
byproducts is still a disruption of our peace as we recover from the
circumstance as a shaking and rattled mess.
So, even if anger is justified, so called, it does not magically
become a peace promoter in our lives instead of a peace destroyer.
Anger is also an important emotion for self preservation in less
dangerous circumstances than big game hunts, for without feeling anger
we wound not seek out change - changing our environment that might be
an unhealthy one for us. So, we should never regret feeling anger, but
just as anger and excretion are two naturally occurring parts of being
a human, we should let them serve us instead of we being enslaved to
them.
Anger comes in two forms.
Nature Based Anger and Toxic Based Anger
Always remember, anger is a nature given tool of defense and living
right. But it takes humans to tun this healthy tool into an unhealthy,
toxic tool of destruction.
Besides justified anger, there are HUNDREDS of other things that one
cannot "afford" in their life is they desire inner peace. Sure, we can
all white knuckle it and just scrape by with, ready to slip off at a
moments notice if we want to put our desires before our practice. But,
learning what fits and what does not fit comfortably in our life is
the ongoing battle we all have to undertake if we want peace. In
short, we have to ask if our practice can "afford" the many things we
come into daily contact with and the measure of our success will be
determined by how well we live within our comfortable means by asking
this "affordability" question.
Before I could find lasting and peaceful recovery I had to learn to
refuse many areas of my old life that did not serve me any longer.
This is how I coined the phrase, "You are not recovering until your
start refusing...refusing the old sick ways that got you here." The 3
paths that addiction (Yes, anger is addictive) can take are these: the
addiction can be increased, it can be decreased or can be frozen.
These 3 paths shows us which direction we are headed in with our
recovery at any given moment.
Clarity about affordability comes from a continual orientation of
putting our programs wants first and our personal wants or desires
second and by asking the question of how any person, place, thing or
activity will affect my recovery program? Once the addict has this
affordability mindset in place they can direct their thoughts towards
the cultivation of recovery, so that whatever action they are engaged
in - it is always evaluated from this perspective and they can find
great success from applying this single minded dedication to change.
Suddenly they find their recovery practice and life can become as one
and asking such questions becomes second nature for them.
But again, this is the textbook or idealistic way of looking at this
affordability question, we need practical application in the real
world. Many of us have families and jobs and to be a total renunciate
of all things disruptive to our peace and our recovery program is not
always possible or desirable when looking at the big picture. I often
hear excuses from other addicts saying they can't stop this or that
because of their family, jobs or other obligations, so we need to
balance these two extremes of being a total renunciate with the other
extreme of being paralyzed and not changing a thing because of excuses
and justification. We have to work towards a balance if we want peace
and just like exercise, we always seem to find reasons for not doing
what we know is right.
The way I work it is to be aware of what is disruptive to my peace and
to change it if possible as a first choice or work on accepting it as
the serenity prayer says as a second choice. I try to stay away from
justification or looking for excuses to continue on the wrong path. I
either change things or work on accepting them. If we base our
decisions of proven principles of recovery it helps takes us out of
the decision making process and rests our recovery on solid foundation
instead of excuses.
I don't beat myself for not being able to perform well in every given
circumstance under the sun. I know that I do not mesh well with
everything and everybody in life and I have certain limits and
abilities. To do otherwise would say that we have the right to be
perfect and violate our make up and that we have no limits or
boundaries to govern us and are godlike. The 12 step programs reminds
us to work within our limits by "staying right size" on pages 122-125,
so it tells me right there I am not immune to all things destructive
just because I work the 12 steps.
In SCA they have a tool called abstention. They abstain the best way
they can from people places or things they have found to be
detrimental to their recovery program efforts from past experience
with them. My recovery success is based a lot on abstaining from
people, places and things that do not mesh well with me and if I
cannot avoid them, then I work to make the unavoidable fit better by
changing things on my end.
Yes, we cannot change others, but we do usually have control of
ourselves and how we participate in dealing with others. Even though
we cannot completely change or wipe our many problem areas in our life
we can usually change *some* aspects of most problems to make them
more bearable. So, I am always looking for small changes to make in
the right direction and this recovery orientation towards the
direction of change helps by giving hope of possible larger future
change as well.
In addition you can work practice a meditation on the 4 Immeasurables
aka Divine States of Dwelling. Radiate the 4 Immeasurables in all 4
directions as well, as above and below you so it emanates from your
being throughout the universe.
Meditate on:
Limitless Compassion for all suffering beings.
Limitless Joy for over the salvation of others from suffering
Limitless Peace for all beings whether friend or enemy
Limitless Kindness towards all sentient beings.
But bottom line is either you must change from the inside out - or
life will change you 'its way' from the outside in and this tends to
rot your insides with the byproducts that a life of toxic anger
produces.
V (male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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24 Jun 2007 07:05:55 PM |
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:20:25 +0000, V wrote:
On Jun 23, 9:35?am, Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 08:00:16 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<g...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:22:12 -0700, V wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:03?pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional
health/self-esteem. Right now I don't know what to do at all or
where to turn anymore. I've tried different forums in the past and
ended up being banned for some stupid reason or someone misjudging
me, which only affected me more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or
not, but I thought I'd ask. ty
I discriminate against no one.
You just hate everyone.
Well, at least it's equal opportunity...- Hide quoted text -
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I hate no one Therion.
When I hate it destroys my peace.
If you are looking for an atheist kiss *****, then it is not me.
And then you launch into an attack.
Apparently by "kiss *****" you mean "act like a decent human being."
Something you abhor because it offends your monstrous ego...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "raven1" |
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24 Jun 2007 04:10:23 AM |
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:20:25 -0000, V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
Tired of being angry and fostering hatred Therion?
Tired of projection, V?
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "The Rev Dr. Hugh Jarse NLAHN." |
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23 Jun 2007 02:40:07 AM |
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On Jun 23, 12:22 am, V <v...@aol.com> wrote:
On Jun 22, 7:03?pm, TRUECRISTIAN <X...@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
I discriminate against no one.
Liar
I welcome you.
You would, TRUESIGHKOPATH makes you look almost not a headfuck byu
comparison.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: am currently suffering from depression as a result of a lot of severe psychological and emotional bullying/ostracizing |
22 Jun 2007 10:42:14 PM |
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TRUECRISTIAN <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in news:1182553439.013739.229900
@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
Awwwww. Here we have the "depressive" part of your schtick. You'll get no
quarter here.
YIELD!
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
Help Prevent Projectile Stupidity
Duct-Tape a Fundie's Mouth Shut Today!
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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22 Jun 2007 07:29:12 PM |
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TRUECRISTIAN <XL5@OPERAMAIL.COM> wrote in news:1182553439.013739.229900
@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
which is and has taken a huge toll on my emotional health/self-esteem.
I've never seen evidence that you've ever had "emotional health." If you
wonder why you can't get through the day like the rest of us. that's a
good start.
Right now I don't know what to do at all or where to turn anymore.
Contact a medical professional. Seriously. I've added that to my living
will; my wife can commit me if my doctor advises it. I understand that a
mentally ill person is in no position to make desicions about his own
mental health needs.
I've tried different forums in the past and ended up being banned for
some stupid reason or someone misjudging me, which only affected me
more.
The solution is not here. Contact your doctor. Mental illness is no
different than any other illness. Professional help and, perhaps,
medication, can restore mental health just like other medications contol
blood pressure or insulin level.
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
Get help. Untreated mental illness has a higher mortality rate than
treated cancer.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
If revealed religions have revealed anything it is that they are usually
wrong.
-- Francis Crick
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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23 Jun 2007 01:22:30 PM |
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TRUECRISTIAN wrote:
<snip>
I don't know if you welcome people who don't have an illness or not,
but I thought I'd ask. ty
Yes, we welcome people who don't have an illness, why do you ask?
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