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"pirsq" |
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06 May 2004 06:49:45 PM |
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am i an atheist? |
i am god; the substance of which i am is the formula for infinity:
10 A=1
20 A/4=B
30 B=A
40 goto 20
am i an atheist?
also, it seems that atheism is often very involved in politics. seems to me
that it would fit better with anarchy, a pure form where people mind their
own business and govern themselves. comments?
one more question. why do atheists often make fun of christianity by using
symbols and terms associated with the "devil"? judaism, christianity,
satanism - it's all the same invalid pile of crap. using bible crap to
refute bible crap just reinforces it. comments?
finally, thanks to all true truth seekers for sharing their thoughts in this
newsgroup, it's good to think.
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| User: "pirsq" |
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| Title: Re: am i an atheist? |
07 May 2004 03:39:00 PM |
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"pirsq" <doogie@howser.com> wrote in message
news:109ljmo1joffh14@corp.supernews.com...
i am god; the substance of which i am is the formula for infinity:
10 A=1
20 A/4=B
30 B=A
40 goto 20
am i an atheist?
also, it seems that atheism is often very involved in politics. seems to
me
that it would fit better with anarchy, a pure form where people mind their
own business and govern themselves. comments?
one more question. why do atheists often make fun of christianity by
using
symbols and terms associated with the "devil"? judaism, christianity,
satanism - it's all the same invalid pile of crap. using bible crap to
refute bible crap just reinforces it. comments?
finally, thanks to all true truth seekers for sharing their thoughts in
this
newsgroup, it's good to think.
thanks for the extended input, Vic, i appreciate it. i think most of you
understand the concept of the program, that is, infinite resolution. of
course your machine would lock up if you were able to run it on a puter.
the concept is that i am made of parts, which are made of parts, which are
made of parts, ......... - infinitely. do i believe in gods? there is more
than one definition to that word. i'm never saying that i am a god for
someone else, i am my own creator, it's personal. having been involved with
the "christian" church until i realized it was a load, i keep my distance
from all associated "spirituality". man, some christians are really
obsessed with evil to the point of hilarity. Sara, the syntax error is
probably the division symbol, but once again, it's a concept, an infinite
loop. thanks to all for genuine response, i just wondered where i fit with
the term "atheism" as it so often seems i fail to "fit" anywhere, which i
have imagined is the price of being an independent thinker. i would like to
note something that may resonate with some. i was never able to do a really
good job of cleaning myself up with regards to drug abuse until i got rid of
all the religion, and took complete responsibility for my existence and my
actions. just speaking for myself; what anyone else does with their life is
fine with me as long as they refrain from stepping on my toes. maybe drugs
are right for some people. i came to realize that religion is a recipe for
failure with regards to being the best i can be for myself. any program
that uses "god" or a "higher power" to help me do right for myself is simple
blame shifting and shirking of responsibility. i read the bible cover to
cover, every word, and even got into the Hebrew and Greek language to get
beyond the English translations. that's what helped me get out of it all, i
did my homework for what i had professed to believe and was then able to
walk away from it. man, i'm sure glad i insisted on continuing to search
for truth, as i still do, so that i was able to leave the sick and dangerous
Jew/Satanist/Christian church behind. i came to understand scales of
infinity with regards to myself and the cosmos; i may sometimes lack the
exact syntax or sublime ability to turn myself inside out and explain it to
others. the purest of logic tells me that there is an infinity of universes
within myself as great as the one i can look out to, and inversely also. i
am likely within a universe that resides in a speck of dust, or turd, of a
universe that much greater. of course there is the "theory of wow", that if
the universe is infinite then there are an infinite number of me doing
exactly the same thing. but that theory fails to acknowledge infinite
resolution which finds that there is an infinity of variation. still
thinking, there is always more to "get". what a wonder is life and
imagination, or is that, imagination is life?
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: am i an atheist? |
07 May 2004 06:18:09 PM |
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"pirsq" <doogie@howser.com> wrote in message news:<109ljmo1joffh14@corp.supernews.com>...
[????? snip]
am i an atheist?
Only you know.
also, it seems that atheism is often very involved in politics. seems to me
that it would fit better with anarchy, a pure form where people mind their
own business and govern themselves. comments?
I am an atheist. I think anarchists are stupid. The thing people
forget about a cooperative government is that it arose to protect the
little guy from the big guy, by banding a whole bunch of the little
guys together. All these little anarchist college students would
change their beliefs real fast if anarchy was instituted today.
Because tomorrow I would take their lunch.
one more question. why do atheists often make fun of christianity by using
symbols and terms associated with the "devil"? judaism, christianity,
satanism - it's all the same invalid pile of crap. using bible crap to
refute bible crap just reinforces it. comments?
Maybe, but it is fun to get a little bit of our own back once in a
while. In almost no other place can an atheist taunt xians with
impunity.
jwk
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| User: "Jim07D4" |
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| Title: Re: am i an atheist? |
07 May 2004 06:22:38 PM |
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(jwk) said:
"pirsq" <doogie@howser.com> wrote in message news:<109ljmo1joffh14@corp.supernews.com>...
[????? snip]
am i an atheist?
Only you know.
also, it seems that atheism is often very involved in politics. seems to me
that it would fit better with anarchy, a pure form where people mind their
own business and govern themselves. comments?
I am an atheist. I think anarchists are stupid. The thing people
forget about a cooperative government is that it arose to protect the
little guy from the big guy, by banding a whole bunch of the little
guys together. All these little anarchist college students would
change their beliefs real fast if anarchy was instituted today.
Because tomorrow I would take their lunch.
And there is no anarchistic group of people. Throw all the anarchists
together on an island, come back a few months later, and you will find
either no people, or a government. Anarchism is self-cancelling.
Jim07D4
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| User: "pirsq" |
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| Title: Re: am i an atheist? |
07 May 2004 08:34:05 PM |
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"Jim07D4" <Jim07D4@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ld6o90t320j0at3g5jgp6mcjir166tcncc@4ax.com...
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) said:
"pirsq" <doogie@howser.com> wrote in message
news:<109ljmo1joffh14@corp.supernews.com>...
[????? snip]
am i an atheist?
Only you know.
also, it seems that atheism is often very involved in politics. seems
to me
that it would fit better with anarchy, a pure form where people mind
their
own business and govern themselves. comments?
I am an atheist. I think anarchists are stupid. The thing people
forget about a cooperative government is that it arose to protect the
little guy from the big guy, by banding a whole bunch of the little
guys together. All these little anarchist college students would
change their beliefs real fast if anarchy was instituted today.
Because tomorrow I would take their lunch.
And there is no anarchistic group of people. Throw all the anarchists
together on an island, come back a few months later, and you will find
either no people, or a government. Anarchism is self-cancelling.
Jim07D4
why would there be no people? and the reason there might be "no anarchist
group" is because a: anarchists are never an organized group, such is the
pure definition. b: because you fail to notice them in your midst because
of reason "a" and because governments impose themselves on others regardless
of what people want. because all government is basically organized crime.
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| User: "Jim07D4" |
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| Title: Re: am i an atheist? |
07 May 2004 11:57:31 PM |
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"pirsq" <doogie@howser.com> said:
"Jim07D4" <Jim07D4@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ld6o90t320j0at3g5jgp6mcjir166tcncc@4ax.com...
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) said:
"pirsq" <doogie@howser.com> wrote in message
news:<109ljmo1joffh14@corp.supernews.com>...
[????? snip]
am i an atheist?
Only you know.
also, it seems that atheism is often very involved in politics. seems
to me
that it would fit better with anarchy, a pure form where people mind
their
own business and govern themselves. comments?
I am an atheist. I think anarchists are stupid. The thing people
forget about a cooperative government is that it arose to protect the
little guy from the big guy, by banding a whole bunch of the little
guys together. All these little anarchist college students would
change their beliefs real fast if anarchy was instituted today.
Because tomorrow I would take their lunch.
And there is no anarchistic group of people. Throw all the anarchists
together on an island, come back a few months later, and you will find
either no people, or a government. Anarchism is self-cancelling.
Jim07D4
why would there be no people?
It is one of three options, actually: everybody dies in the struggle,
one person is left, or they figure out some ways to govern their
behavior.
and the reason there might be "no anarchist
group" is because a: anarchists are never an organized group, such is the
pure definition.
I didn't say organized group. But if they are on an island together
they are a group in that sense.
b: because you fail to notice them in your midst because
of reason "a"
I didn't talk about anarchists in an existing society, I talked about
an island having only them. So we are on somewhat different subjects.
I agree, anarchists can fly below the radar in a society, if they
choose to.
and because governments impose themselves on others regardless
of what people want. because all government is basically organized crime.
Government requires an organized monopoly over power. An anarchist can
define this as a crime, or what governments do as a crime, but in
doing so he sets himself up in the role of a government -- legislative
and judicial, and if he carries out punishment, he is the executive
too, hence he is an autocracy.
Jim07D4
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: am i an atheist? |
09 May 2004 03:20:12 PM |
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"pirsq" <doogie@howser.com> wrote in message news:<109oe66e5a5vt5c@corp.supernews.com>...
"Jim07D4" <Jim07D4@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ld6o90t320j0at3g5jgp6mcjir166tcncc@4ax.com...
jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com (jwk) said:
"pirsq" <doogie@howser.com> wrote in message
news:<109ljmo1joffh14@corp.supernews.com>...
[????? snip]
am i an atheist?
Only you know.
also, it seems that atheism is often very involved in politics. seems
to me
that it would fit better with anarchy, a pure form where people mind
their
own business and govern themselves. comments?
I am an atheist. I think anarchists are stupid. The thing people
forget about a cooperative government is that it arose to protect the
little guy from the big guy, by banding a whole bunch of the little
guys together. All these little anarchist college students would
change their beliefs real fast if anarchy was instituted today.
Because tomorrow I would take their lunch.
And there is no anarchistic group of people. Throw all the anarchists
together on an island, come back a few months later, and you will find
either no people, or a government. Anarchism is self-cancelling.
Jim07D4
why would there be no people? and the reason there might be "no anarchist
group" is because a: anarchists are never an organized group, such is the
pure definition. b: because you fail to notice them in your midst because
of reason "a" and because governments impose themselves on others regardless
of what people want. because all government is basically organized crime.
Maybe that's how they all end up, but I contend that all government
starts as a way for the little guys to get together to stand up to the
big guys. The reason I usually laugh at anarchists is because they
are usually smaller than me. In the final analysis without any form
of government you have to fight each other for everything. If you are
cooperating, you have started a primative government.
jwk
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| User: "Brendan Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: am i an atheist? |
09 May 2004 01:17:16 PM |
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On Fri, 07 May 2004 18:34:05 -0700, pirsq wrote:
why would there be no people? and the reason there might be "no anarchist
group" is because a: anarchists are never an organized group, such is the
pure definition.
Anarchism is not opposed to organization, only hierarchy.
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| User: "Jim07D4" |
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| Title: Re: am i an atheist? |
09 May 2004 01:49:47 PM |
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Brendan Taylor <temp@fungoid.dot.dyndns.dot.org> said:
On Fri, 07 May 2004 18:34:05 -0700, pirsq wrote:
why would there be no people? and the reason there might be "no anarchist
group" is because a: anarchists are never an organized group, such is the
pure definition.
Anarchism is not opposed to organization, only hierarchy.
It seems to me that the main objection of the anarchist is to
government, where government is a group of people that have power to
use force to bring about compliance with rules. Governance by
persuasion to make free decisions would not be so much a problem, if
such could exist.
To be on topic, in a theocracy, IMO the atheist who is not in the
government would be an anarchist, at least at heart. So if the US is
headed toward a theocracy, the original poster is right -- atheists
would be anarchists, except if in charge.
But there are probably many atheists in theocratic governments.
Jim07D4
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| User: "MarkA" |
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07 May 2004 06:02:05 AM |
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 16:49:45 -0700, pirsq wrote:
i am god; the substance of which i am is the formula for infinity:
10 A=1
20 A/4=B
30 B=A
40 goto 20
am i an atheist?
I don't know if you are an atheist or not, but I am pretty sure that the
statement A/4=B would not parse. Perhaps that is why the Universe is so
fucked up?
<snip>
finally, thanks to all true truth seekers for sharing their thoughts in
this newsgroup, it's good to think.
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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| User: "Sara Brum" |
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| Title: Re: am i an atheist? |
07 May 2004 10:12:56 AM |
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"MarkA" <manthony@stopspam.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.05.07.11.01.52.456908@stopspam.net...
On Thu, 06 May 2004 16:49:45 -0700, pirsq wrote:
i am god; the substance of which i am is the formula for infinity:
10 A=1
20 A/4=B
30 B=A
40 goto 20
am i an atheist?
I don't know if you are an atheist or not, but I am pretty sure that the
statement A/4=B would not parse. Perhaps that is why the Universe is so
fucked up?
....
Syntax error in line 20. (A)bort or (I)gnore? I
Syntax error in line 20. (A)bort or (I)gnore? I
Syntax error in line 20. (A)bort or (I)gnore? I
Syntax error in line 20. (A)bort or (I)gnore? I
Syntax error in line 20. (A)bort or (I)gnore? I
Syntax error in line 20. (A)bort or (I)gnore? I
Syntax error in line 20. (A)bort or (I)gnore? I
Syntax error in line 20. (A)bort or (I)gnore? I
Syntax error in line 20. (A)bort or (I)gnore? I
....
One day the Great Invisible Sky Pixie will press (A) and we're all in
trouble.
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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07 May 2004 09:15:14 AM |
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 16:49:45 -0700, "pirsq" <doogie@howser.com>
ejaculated:
i am god; the substance of which i am is the formula for infinity:
10 A=1
20 A/4=B
30 B=A
40 goto 20
You will either get on overflow error or lock up the machine leaving
with nothing. So since you're god and you'll end up as nothing using
the above program we can conclude there is no god.
--
What do you get when you multiply 6 by 9?
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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16 May 2004 06:02:25 PM |
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"Beowulf" <beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0d6n90lu5nkimeh843djol4dqnh60u6kmf@4ax.com...
On Thu, 6 May 2004 16:49:45 -0700, "pirsq" <doogie@howser.com>
ejaculated:
i am god; the substance of which i am is the formula for infinity:
10 A=1
20 A/4=B
30 B=A
40 goto 20
You will either get on overflow error or lock up the machine leaving
with nothing.
Syntax error in line 20.
--
Peacenik
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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07 May 2004 07:57:05 AM |
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On Thu, 6 May 2004 16:49:45 -0700, "pirsq" <doogie@howser.com> wrote:
i am god; the substance of which i am is the formula for infinity:
10 A=1
20 A/4=B
30 B=A
40 goto 20
am i an atheist?
I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. But then again, I'm
not as smart as MarkA.
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Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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06 May 2004 09:31:05 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach pirsq:
i am god; the substance of which i am is the formula for infinity:
10 A=1
20 A/4=B
30 B=A
40 goto 20
am i an atheist?
Do you believe in gods? No? Yes.
also, it seems that atheism is often very involved in politics. seems
to me that it would fit better with anarchy, a pure form where people
mind their own business and govern themselves. comments?
I am not an anarchist. But I know an atheist who is... I don't believe
the two are connected. I, for one, tend to keep to myself and stay away
from politics. I hate politics. But that's just me.
one more question. why do atheists often make fun of christianity by
using symbols and terms associated with the "devil"? judaism,
christianity, satanism - it's all the same invalid pile of crap.
using bible crap to refute bible crap just reinforces it. comments?
The man I mentioned above is into Satanism. Not as a serious religion
thing, but basically as a rebellion against his religious father... and
as a rebellion against mainstream society. I think all supernatural
belief is a pile of crap. But I tend to agree with a lot of the Satanist
worldviews, even if they tend to lean toward self-importance. And like
Christianity, there are some teachings that have merit, which I can
uphold. I just don't buy into the supernatural *****.
finally, thanks to all true truth seekers for sharing their thoughts
in this newsgroup, it's good to think.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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