Religions > Atheism > Am I the only one in the world who isn't on a Hoodoo train?
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"Lars Eighner" |
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16 Apr 2006 06:00:16 AM |
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Am I the only one in the world who isn't on a Hoodoo train? |
Okay, so lot's of people these days get past the christian thing. And
certainly that is a good thing, because in spite of what I am going to say
about the other hoodoos, christianity is the most evil thing in the world
today. It isn't that far ahead of Islam and the Jew's religion which just
don't have the chance of fulfilling their basic evilness to the extent that
christianity does because, by a series of historical accidents, they don't
control governments as powerful as the governments christians control.
Okay, so since being a christian is the worst thing a human being can be, it
is a good thing when a person stops being a christian. Of course, if
someone realizes that christianity is ***** only to convert to being a
muslim or a jew, you just have to shake your head over the half-learned
lesson. They could blame being christian on being born into it, but if they
convert to being a muslim or a jew it is clear they have not overcome the
moral or mental defects in their upbringing.
But lots of people get over the big magic sky daddy religions, yet they
still haven't really learned the lesson. So you hear of chi and karma and
yin and yang and transendental meditation and thetas and rebirthing and
accupuncture and inter-galactic space travel and reincarnation and aroma
therapy and--sheesh! Is this species ever going to grow up?
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Rev. Lars Eighner, ULC http://www.larseighner.com/
The Mint Jelly of GodŽ -- The World's Best Atheist -- Unholier Than Thou
First Church of Electro-Baptism ***Atheist #1965*** One Short Circuit to Jesus
"To YOU I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition." --Woody Allen
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: Am I the only one in the world who isn't on a Hoodoo train? |
17 Apr 2006 07:58:43 PM |
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In article <slrne448s6.1ms7.usenet@goodwill.io.com>, Lars Eighner
<usenet@larseighner.com> wrote:
Okay, so lot's of people these days get past the christian thing. And
certainly that is a good thing, because in spite of what I am going to say
about the other hoodoos, christianity is the most evil thing in the world
today. It isn't that far ahead of Islam and the Jew's religion which just
don't have the chance of fulfilling their basic evilness to the extent that
christianity does because, by a series of historical accidents, they don't
control governments as powerful as the governments christians control.
Okay, so since being a christian is the worst thing a human being can be, it
is a good thing when a person stops being a christian. Of course, if
someone realizes that christianity is ***** only to convert to being a
muslim or a jew, you just have to shake your head over the half-learned
lesson. They could blame being christian on being born into it, but if they
convert to being a muslim or a jew it is clear they have not overcome the
moral or mental defects in their upbringing.
But lots of people get over the big magic sky daddy religions, yet they
still haven't really learned the lesson. So you hear of chi and karma and
yin and yang and transendental meditation and thetas and rebirthing and
accupuncture and inter-galactic space travel and reincarnation and aroma
therapy and--sheesh! Is this species ever going to grow up?
Lars, Lars, Lars. It's not about spiritualism ("hoodoo"), it's about
money. Consider the juxtaposition of the following famous quotes and
you'll see what I mean:
"There's a sucker born every minute."
-- P.T. Barnum
"I want to start a new religion. That's where the money is."
-- L. Ron Hubbard
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Fester" |
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| Title: Re: Am I the only one in the world who isn't on a Hoodoo train? |
16 Apr 2006 07:59:41 AM |
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Lars Eighner wrote:
Okay, so lot's of people these days get past the christian thing. And
certainly that is a good thing, because in spite of what I am going to say
about the other hoodoos, christianity is the most evil thing in the world
today.
It would take a rather warped sense of evil to think so. While no
believer myself, a great many people derive happiness, motivation, etc
from their superstitious beliefs, and in ways that do no harm to others.
It isn't that far ahead of Islam and the Jew's religion which just
don't have the chance of fulfilling their basic evilness to the extent that
christianity does because, by a series of historical accidents, they don't
control governments as powerful as the governments christians control.
While individual Christians hold office in the US, we are a nation of
laws, and the control which Christianity may exert is limited. That
said, it takes a special form of bigotry to reach the conclusions that
you do.
Okay, so since being a christian is the worst thing a human being can be, it
is a good thing when a person stops being a christian. Of course, if
someone realizes that christianity is ***** only to convert to being a
muslim or a jew, you just have to shake your head over the half-learned
lesson. They could blame being christian on being born into it, but if they
convert to being a muslim or a jew it is clear they have not overcome the
moral or mental defects in their upbringing.
But lots of people get over the big magic sky daddy religions, yet they
still haven't really learned the lesson. So you hear of chi and karma and
yin and yang and transendental meditation and thetas and rebirthing and
accupuncture and inter-galactic space travel and reincarnation and aroma
therapy and--sheesh! Is this species ever going to grow up?
Some items in your list are not sequiters. Transcendental meditation
and acupuncture, for example, do not belong, at least not entirely.
While there is some hoodoo involved, one need not subscribe to the
spooky ***** in order to benefit from them. Certainly intergalactic
space travel has not been accomplished (at least not by anyone that we
know of), but it is theoretically a possibility that does not depend on
magic.
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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| Title: Re: Am I the only one in the world who isn't on a Hoodoo train? |
16 Apr 2006 01:13:13 PM |
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Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
While individual Christians hold office in the US, we are a nation of
laws, and the control which Christianity may exert is limited. That
said, it takes a special form of bigotry to reach the conclusions that
you do.
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public office
unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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16 Apr 2006 05:27:38 PM |
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"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
While individual Christians hold office in the US, we are a nation of
laws, and the control which Christianity may exert is limited. That
said, it takes a special form of bigotry to reach the conclusions that
you do.
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public office
unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
That approach won't get you anywhere with Fester or Fred. They appear to
think that since discrimination is against the law, there's no
discrimination.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fester" |
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16 Apr 2006 08:59:37 PM |
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Denis Loubet wrote:
"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
While individual Christians hold office in the US, we are a nation of
laws, and the control which Christianity may exert is limited. That
said, it takes a special form of bigotry to reach the conclusions that
you do.
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public office
unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
That approach won't get you anywhere with Fester or Fred. They appear to
think that since discrimination is against the law, there's no
discrimination.
Blah, blah. Despite having received a detailed explanation you still
persist with your straw men.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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16 Apr 2006 09:32:21 PM |
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Fester <not@home.com> wrote in news:dEC0g.472$cs4.162@southeast.rr.com:
Denis Loubet wrote:
"Scott Richter" <scottrichter422@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
While individual Christians hold office in the US, we are a nation
of laws, and the control which Christianity may exert is limited.
That said, it takes a special form of bigotry to reach the
conclusions that you do.
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public office
unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
That approach won't get you anywhere with Fester or Fred. They appear
to think that since discrimination is against the law, there's no
discrimination.
Blah, blah. Despite having received a detailed explanation you still
persist with your straw men.
Of course he persists. He still can't separate legal discrimination from
personal prejudice in his own mind.
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Fred Stone
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Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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| User: "Fester" |
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16 Apr 2006 08:58:48 PM |
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
While individual Christians hold office in the US, we are a nation of
laws, and the control which Christianity may exert is limited. That
said, it takes a special form of bigotry to reach the conclusions that
you do.
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public office
unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious test for
office. That means that an atheist may run, but it also means that
nobody is required to vote for one if they don't want to be represented
by an atheist either.
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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16 Apr 2006 09:20:52 PM |
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Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public office
unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious test for
office. That means that an atheist may run, but it also means that
nobody is required to vote for one if they don't want to be represented
by an atheist either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black people and
women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the form of racism,
sexism, or theism.
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| User: "Fester" |
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16 Apr 2006 09:39:05 PM |
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public office
unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious test for
office. That means that an atheist may run, but it also means that
nobody is required to vote for one if they don't want to be represented
by an atheist either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black people and
women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the form of racism,
sexism, or theism.
Sure it's bigotry. But it is not institutional bigotry, but rather the
expression of popular sentiment. That is vastly different from the days
when the law codified discrimination against blacks and women. That
said, I would hardly call our lack of popularity in a society where
people cherish their faith to be evidence that " Christianity is the
most evil thing in the world today," which was the statement I took
issue with.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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17 Apr 2006 05:00:01 AM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public office
unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious test for
office. That means that an atheist may run, but it also means that
nobody is required to vote for one if they don't want to be represented
by an atheist either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black people and
women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the form of racism,
sexism, or theism.
Sure it's bigotry. But it is not institutional bigotry, but rather the
expression of popular sentiment.
See? As long as the bigotry is officially illegal, then Fester sees no
problem.
It's just a coincidence that we are shut out of the political arena.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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17 Apr 2006 07:04:20 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public office
unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious test
for office. That means that an atheist may run, but it also means
that nobody is required to vote for one if they don't want to be
represented by an atheist either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black people and
women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the form of racism,
sexism, or theism.
Sure it's bigotry. But it is not institutional bigotry, but rather
the expression of popular sentiment.
See? As long as the bigotry is officially illegal, then Fester sees no
problem.
Denis is sticking to his strawman no matter what.
It's just a coincidence that we are shut out of the political arena.
I'm not shut out. Neither are you. Nobody asks me what my religious
affiliation is when I go to vote.
I hear a lot of theorizing about how no avowed atheist could get
elected, but which one is running? Where is that *experimental evidence*
anyway? Oh, by the way, there are *non-Christians* in office. Joe
Lieberman, for instance. Or doesn't he count?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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17 Apr 2006 01:08:17 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public office
unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious test
for office. That means that an atheist may run, but it also means
that nobody is required to vote for one if they don't want to be
represented by an atheist either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black people and
women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the form of racism,
sexism, or theism.
Sure it's bigotry. But it is not institutional bigotry, but rather
the expression of popular sentiment.
See? As long as the bigotry is officially illegal, then Fester sees no
problem.
Denis is sticking to his strawman no matter what.
Oh? Are you suggesting that Fester sees a problem?
Didn't think so.
It's just a coincidence that we are shut out of the political arena.
I'm not shut out. Neither are you. Nobody asks me what my religious
affiliation is when I go to vote.
And that's YOUR strawman. You know full well that I'm talking about atheists
in political office. But you can't attack that fact.
I hear a lot of theorizing about how no avowed atheist could get
elected, but which one is running? Where is that *experimental evidence*
anyway?
The University of Minnesota has a pretty good idea.
"From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households, university
researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent
immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in "sharing their
vision of American society." Atheists are also the minority group most
Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry."
"Even though atheists are few in number, not formally organized and
relatively hard to publicly identify, they are seen as a threat to the
American way of life by a large portion of the American public. "Atheists,
who account for about 3 percent of the U.S. population, offer a glaring
exception to the rule of increasing social tolerance over the last 30
years," says Penny Edgell, associate sociology professor and the study's
lead researcher."
"Edgell also argues that today's atheists play the role that Catholics, Jews
and communists have played in the past-they offer a symbolic moral boundary
to membership in American society. "It seems most Americans believe that
diversity is fine, as long as every one shares a common 'core' of values
that make them trustworthy-and in America, that 'core' has historically been
religious," says Edgell. Many of the study's respondents associated atheism
with an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal behavior to
rampant materialism and cultural elitism."
Oh, by the way, there are *non-Christians* in office. Joe
Lieberman, for instance. Or doesn't he count?
If he's not an atheist, he doesn't count.
It apparently doesn't matter what you believe. As long as you believe some
bizarre crap, theists will think you're ok.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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17 Apr 2006 03:16:10 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public
office unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious
test for office. That means that an atheist may run, but it also
means that nobody is required to vote for one if they don't want
to be represented by an atheist either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black people
and women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the form of
racism, sexism, or theism.
Sure it's bigotry. But it is not institutional bigotry, but rather
the expression of popular sentiment.
See? As long as the bigotry is officially illegal, then Fester sees
no problem.
Denis is sticking to his strawman no matter what.
Oh? Are you suggesting that Fester sees a problem?
Didn't think so.
Denis, we've been over this, and over this, and over this. You don't
seem to be willing to listen to anybody else's point of view. Ever
consider that that's part of the problem?
It's just a coincidence that we are shut out of the political arena.
I'm not shut out. Neither are you. Nobody asks me what my religious
affiliation is when I go to vote.
And that's YOUR strawman. You know full well that I'm talking about
atheists in political office. But you can't attack that fact.
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666" on
your forehead.
I hear a lot of theorizing about how no avowed atheist could get
elected, but which one is running? Where is that *experimental
evidence* anyway?
The University of Minnesota has a pretty good idea.
"From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households, university
researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent
immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in "sharing
their vision of American society." Atheists are also the minority
group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to
marry."
"Even though atheists are few in number, not formally organized and
relatively hard to publicly identify, they are seen as a threat to the
American way of life by a large portion of the American public.
"Atheists, who account for about 3 percent of the U.S. population,
offer a glaring exception to the rule of increasing social tolerance
over the last 30
years," says Penny Edgell, associate sociology professor and the
study's
lead researcher."
"Edgell also argues that today's atheists play the role that
Catholics, Jews and communists have played in the past-they offer a
symbolic moral boundary to membership in American society. "It seems
most Americans believe that diversity is fine, as long as every one
shares a common 'core' of values that make them trustworthy-and in
America, that 'core' has historically been religious," says Edgell.
Many of the study's respondents associated atheism with an array of
moral indiscretions ranging from criminal behavior to rampant
materialism and cultural elitism."
Well, goodness gracious, at least they didn't pick on liberals.
Oh, by the way, there are *non-Christians* in office. Joe
Lieberman, for instance. Or doesn't he count?
If he's not an atheist, he doesn't count.
It apparently doesn't matter what you believe. As long as you believe
some bizarre crap, theists will think you're ok.
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry of
being shut out from holding public office unless you are a card-carrying
Christian?"
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state and
local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if some
avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal districts.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Am I the only one in the world who isn't on a Hoodoo train? |
17 Apr 2006 05:38:48 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public
office unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious
test for office. That means that an atheist may run, but it also
means that nobody is required to vote for one if they don't want
to be represented by an atheist either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black people
and women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the form of
racism, sexism, or theism.
Sure it's bigotry. But it is not institutional bigotry, but rather
the expression of popular sentiment.
See? As long as the bigotry is officially illegal, then Fester sees
no problem.
Denis is sticking to his strawman no matter what.
Oh? Are you suggesting that Fester sees a problem?
Didn't think so.
Denis, we've been over this, and over this, and over this. You don't
seem to be willing to listen to anybody else's point of view. Ever
consider that that's part of the problem?
I listen. You're simply not addressing the points I make.
It's just a coincidence that we are shut out of the political arena.
I'm not shut out. Neither are you. Nobody asks me what my religious
affiliation is when I go to vote.
And that's YOUR strawman. You know full well that I'm talking about
atheists in political office. But you can't attack that fact.
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666" on
your forehead.
So atheist politicians should just shut up about their views? They should
lie to their constituents by omission?
I guess that makes sense from your viewpoint.
I hear a lot of theorizing about how no avowed atheist could get
elected, but which one is running? Where is that *experimental
evidence* anyway?
The University of Minnesota has a pretty good idea.
"From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households, university
researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent
immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in "sharing
their vision of American society." Atheists are also the minority
group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to
marry."
"Even though atheists are few in number, not formally organized and
relatively hard to publicly identify, they are seen as a threat to the
American way of life by a large portion of the American public.
"Atheists, who account for about 3 percent of the U.S. population,
offer a glaring exception to the rule of increasing social tolerance
over the last 30
years," says Penny Edgell, associate sociology professor and the
study's
lead researcher."
"Edgell also argues that today's atheists play the role that
Catholics, Jews and communists have played in the past-they offer a
symbolic moral boundary to membership in American society. "It seems
most Americans believe that diversity is fine, as long as every one
shares a common 'core' of values that make them trustworthy-and in
America, that 'core' has historically been religious," says Edgell.
Many of the study's respondents associated atheism with an array of
moral indiscretions ranging from criminal behavior to rampant
materialism and cultural elitism."
Well, goodness gracious, at least they didn't pick on liberals.
Oh, by the way, there are *non-Christians* in office. Joe
Lieberman, for instance. Or doesn't he count?
If he's not an atheist, he doesn't count.
It apparently doesn't matter what you believe. As long as you believe
some bizarre crap, theists will think you're ok.
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry of
being shut out from holding public office unless you are a card-carrying
Christian?"
And for the vast majority, that's correct.
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state and
local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if some
avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal districts.
The whole point is that your use of "slipped by" indicates a problem.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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17 Apr 2006 06:04:43 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public
office unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious
test for office. That means that an atheist may run, but it
also means that nobody is required to vote for one if they don't
want to be represented by an atheist either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black people
and women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the form of
racism, sexism, or theism.
Sure it's bigotry. But it is not institutional bigotry, but
rather the expression of popular sentiment.
See? As long as the bigotry is officially illegal, then Fester
sees no problem.
Denis is sticking to his strawman no matter what.
Oh? Are you suggesting that Fester sees a problem?
Didn't think so.
Denis, we've been over this, and over this, and over this. You don't
seem to be willing to listen to anybody else's point of view. Ever
consider that that's part of the problem?
I listen. You're simply not addressing the points I make.
No, you don't listen. You don't pay the least bit of attention. You just
put your own strawman right back out again.
It's just a coincidence that we are shut out of the political
arena.
I'm not shut out. Neither are you. Nobody asks me what my religious
affiliation is when I go to vote.
And that's YOUR strawman. You know full well that I'm talking about
atheists in political office. But you can't attack that fact.
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666" on
your forehead.
So atheist politicians should just shut up about their views? They
should lie to their constituents by omission?
See? You're not *listening*.
I guess that makes sense from your viewpoint.
It makes perfect sense from *MY* viewpoint, without *YOUR* filters in
place.
<...>
It apparently doesn't matter what you believe. As long as you
believe some bizarre crap, theists will think you're ok.
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry of
being shut out from holding public office unless you are a
card-carrying Christian?"
And for the vast majority, that's correct.
Well ain't that just too bad. We'll just have to go cry in the corner
with the Commies and the Greens.
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state and
local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if some
avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal districts.
The whole point is that your use of "slipped by" indicates a problem.
Then the problem is that you lack any sense of humor.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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17 Apr 2006 06:55:01 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public
office unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious
test for office. That means that an atheist may run, but it
also means that nobody is required to vote for one if they don't
want to be represented by an atheist either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black people
and women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the form of
racism, sexism, or theism.
Sure it's bigotry. But it is not institutional bigotry, but
rather the expression of popular sentiment.
See? As long as the bigotry is officially illegal, then Fester
sees no problem.
Denis is sticking to his strawman no matter what.
Oh? Are you suggesting that Fester sees a problem?
Didn't think so.
Denis, we've been over this, and over this, and over this. You don't
seem to be willing to listen to anybody else's point of view. Ever
consider that that's part of the problem?
I listen. You're simply not addressing the points I make.
No, you don't listen. You don't pay the least bit of attention. You just
put your own strawman right back out again.
It's just a coincidence that we are shut out of the political
arena.
I'm not shut out. Neither are you. Nobody asks me what my religious
affiliation is when I go to vote.
And that's YOUR strawman. You know full well that I'm talking about
atheists in political office. But you can't attack that fact.
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666" on
your forehead.
So atheist politicians should just shut up about their views? They
should lie to their constituents by omission?
See? You're not *listening*.
Then what the ***** ARE you saying? You are suggesting that atheist
politicians mislead their constituents and call themselves "unaffiliated"
rather than atheist. Clearly you realize that the word atheist is political
poison, or you would not suggest such a deception.
I guess that makes sense from your viewpoint.
It makes perfect sense from *MY* viewpoint, without *YOUR* filters in
place.
How else am I supposed to interpret a clear-cut description of a deliberate
deception? Is this filter you're talking about the fact that I don't use
"nice" words to describe your position? Too bad, I don't feel like
facilitating your idiocy.
It apparently doesn't matter what you believe. As long as you
believe some bizarre crap, theists will think you're ok.
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry of
being shut out from holding public office unless you are a
card-carrying Christian?"
And for the vast majority, that's correct.
Well ain't that just too bad. We'll just have to go cry in the corner
with the Commies and the Greens.
You're perfectly welcome to do that.
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state and
local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if some
avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal districts.
The whole point is that your use of "slipped by" indicates a problem.
Then the problem is that you lack any sense of humor.
Since I can't imagine how you could be more of a parody of yourself, it's
hard to tell when you're actually going for humor.
So in what way was the 'slipped by" comment supposed to be humor?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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17 Apr 2006 08:07:07 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public
office unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious
test for office. That means that an atheist may run, but it
also means that nobody is required to vote for one if they
don't want to be represented by an atheist either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black
people and women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the
form of racism, sexism, or theism.
Sure it's bigotry. But it is not institutional bigotry, but
rather the expression of popular sentiment.
See? As long as the bigotry is officially illegal, then Fester
sees no problem.
Denis is sticking to his strawman no matter what.
Oh? Are you suggesting that Fester sees a problem?
Didn't think so.
Denis, we've been over this, and over this, and over this. You
don't seem to be willing to listen to anybody else's point of view.
Ever consider that that's part of the problem?
I listen. You're simply not addressing the points I make.
No, you don't listen. You don't pay the least bit of attention. You
just put your own strawman right back out again.
It's just a coincidence that we are shut out of the political
arena.
I'm not shut out. Neither are you. Nobody asks me what my
religious affiliation is when I go to vote.
And that's YOUR strawman. You know full well that I'm talking
about atheists in political office. But you can't attack that
fact.
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666"
on your forehead.
So atheist politicians should just shut up about their views? They
should lie to their constituents by omission?
See? You're not *listening*.
Then what the ***** ARE you saying? You are suggesting that atheist
politicians mislead their constituents and call themselves
"unaffiliated" rather than atheist. Clearly you realize that the word
atheist is political poison, or you would not suggest such a
deception.
Oh, for crying out loud. I'm trying to tell a *LIBERAL* how to be
Politically Correct and he's NOT GETTING IT.
I guess that makes sense from your viewpoint.
It makes perfect sense from *MY* viewpoint, without *YOUR* filters in
place.
How else am I supposed to interpret a clear-cut description of a
deliberate deception? Is this filter you're talking about the fact
that I don't use "nice" words to describe your position? Too bad, I
don't feel like facilitating your idiocy.
Oh, come off it, Denis, you're the one who belongs to the Politically
Correct Party, and now you're complaining because you don't like having
to call *yourself* by a Politically Correct Name?
It apparently doesn't matter what you believe. As long as you
believe some bizarre crap, theists will think you're ok.
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry
of being shut out from holding public office unless you are a
card-carrying Christian?"
And for the vast majority, that's correct.
Well ain't that just too bad. We'll just have to go cry in the corner
with the Commies and the Greens.
You're perfectly welcome to do that.
I'm not the one who is complaining.
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state
and local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if
some avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal districts.
The whole point is that your use of "slipped by" indicates a
problem.
Then the problem is that you lack any sense of humor.
Since I can't imagine how you could be more of a parody of yourself,
it's hard to tell when you're actually going for humor.
Since you're not capable of understanding anybody but yourself, you
mean.
So in what way was the 'slipped by" comment supposed to be humor?
If I have to explain it, it's not humor.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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17 Apr 2006 08:56:14 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public
office unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no religious
test for office. That means that an atheist may run, but it
also means that nobody is required to vote for one if they
don't want to be represented by an atheist either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black
people and women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the
form of racism, sexism, or theism.
Sure it's bigotry. But it is not institutional bigotry, but
rather the expression of popular sentiment.
See? As long as the bigotry is officially illegal, then Fester
sees no problem.
Denis is sticking to his strawman no matter what.
Oh? Are you suggesting that Fester sees a problem?
Didn't think so.
Denis, we've been over this, and over this, and over this. You
don't seem to be willing to listen to anybody else's point of view.
Ever consider that that's part of the problem?
I listen. You're simply not addressing the points I make.
No, you don't listen. You don't pay the least bit of attention. You
just put your own strawman right back out again.
It's just a coincidence that we are shut out of the political
arena.
I'm not shut out. Neither are you. Nobody asks me what my
religious affiliation is when I go to vote.
And that's YOUR strawman. You know full well that I'm talking
about atheists in political office. But you can't attack that
fact.
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666"
on your forehead.
So atheist politicians should just shut up about their views? They
should lie to their constituents by omission?
See? You're not *listening*.
Then what the ***** ARE you saying? You are suggesting that atheist
politicians mislead their constituents and call themselves
"unaffiliated" rather than atheist. Clearly you realize that the word
atheist is political poison, or you would not suggest such a
deception.
Oh, for crying out loud. I'm trying to tell a *LIBERAL* how to be
Politically Correct and he's NOT GETTING IT.
Is my characterization wrong? Please point out where.
Is misleading others, simply in order to get votes, somehow NOT a deception?
Or do you imagine that the lable atheist is somehow NOT political poison?
Or is it that I'm not getting the idea that Politically Correct is
synonymous with Deception, as you seem to be suggesting.
I understand that politics is often a dirty, two-fisted, back-stabbing sort
of thing where lies are the accepted norm, but that does not change the fact
that you're advocating deception.
I guess that makes sense from your viewpoint.
It makes perfect sense from *MY* viewpoint, without *YOUR* filters in
place.
How else am I supposed to interpret a clear-cut description of a
deliberate deception? Is this filter you're talking about the fact
that I don't use "nice" words to describe your position? Too bad, I
don't feel like facilitating your idiocy.
Oh, come off it, Denis, you're the one who belongs to the Politically
Correct Party, and now you're complaining because you don't like having
to call *yourself* by a Politically Correct Name?
I'm not a fucking democrat, dickwad. I'm anti-republican. I don't belong to
any fucking party. Quit trying to tell me what I think, you sound like a
fucking theist.
You are trying to tell me that the answer to predjudice is to hide what you
are.
Yeah. Sure. That'll work.
It apparently doesn't matter what you believe. As long as you
believe some bizarre crap, theists will think you're ok.
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry
of being shut out from holding public office unless you are a
card-carrying Christian?"
And for the vast majority, that's correct.
Well ain't that just too bad. We'll just have to go cry in the corner
with the Commies and the Greens.
You're perfectly welcome to do that.
I'm not the one who is complaining.
Then why did you say "we"?
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state
and local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if
some avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal districts.
The whole point is that your use of "slipped by" indicates a
problem.
Then the problem is that you lack any sense of humor.
Since I can't imagine how you could be more of a parody of yourself,
it's hard to tell when you're actually going for humor.
Since you're not capable of understanding anybody but yourself, you
mean.
So in what way was the 'slipped by" comment supposed to be humor?
If I have to explain it, it's not humor.
Or it wasn't humor at all, and you're just trying to hide your gaffe.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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17 Apr 2006 10:06:39 PM |
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"Fester" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Scott Richter wrote:
Fester <not@home.com> wrote:
How about the bigotry of being shut out from holding public
office unless you are a card-carrying Christian?
It's called Democracy. Our Constitution requires no
religious test for office. That means that an atheist may
run, but it also means that nobody is required to vote for
one if they don't want to be represented by an atheist
either.
Yes, I seem to recall the same argument applied to black
people and women... Bigotry is bigotry, whether it takes the
form of racism, sexism, or theism.
Sure it's bigotry. But it is not institutional bigotry, but
rather the expression of popular sentiment.
See? As long as the bigotry is officially illegal, then Fester
sees no problem.
Denis is sticking to his strawman no matter what.
Oh? Are you suggesting that Fester sees a problem?
Didn't think so.
Denis, we've been over this, and over this, and over this. You
don't seem to be willing to listen to anybody else's point of
view. Ever consider that that's part of the problem?
I listen. You're simply not addressing the points I make.
No, you don't listen. You don't pay the least bit of attention. You
just put your own strawman right back out again.
It's just a coincidence that we are shut out of the political
arena.
I'm not shut out. Neither are you. Nobody asks me what my
religious affiliation is when I go to vote.
And that's YOUR strawman. You know full well that I'm talking
about atheists in political office. But you can't attack that
fact.
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666"
on your forehead.
So atheist politicians should just shut up about their views? They
should lie to their constituents by omission?
See? You're not *listening*.
Then what the ***** ARE you saying? You are suggesting that atheist
politicians mislead their constituents and call themselves
"unaffiliated" rather than atheist. Clearly you realize that the
word atheist is political poison, or you would not suggest such a
deception.
Oh, for crying out loud. I'm trying to tell a *LIBERAL* how to be
Politically Correct and he's NOT GETTING IT.
Is my characterization wrong? Please point out where.
I just did, you bloody great gowp.
Is misleading others, simply in order to get votes, somehow NOT a
deception? Or do you imagine that the lable atheist is somehow NOT
political poison?
Or is it that I'm not getting the idea that Politically Correct is
synonymous with Deception, as you seem to be suggesting.
Well, yes, it is, isn't it? It's calling something what it isn't, in
order to please somebody who doesn't like it being called what it is.
I understand that politics is often a dirty, two-fisted, back-stabbing
sort of thing where lies are the accepted norm, but that does not
change the fact that you're advocating deception.
Oh, well if you don't like the heat, stay out of the fucking kitchen.
I guess that makes sense from your viewpoint.
It makes perfect sense from *MY* viewpoint, without *YOUR* filters
in place.
How else am I supposed to interpret a clear-cut description of a
deliberate deception? Is this filter you're talking about the fact
that I don't use "nice" words to describe your position? Too bad, I
don't feel like facilitating your idiocy.
Oh, come off it, Denis, you're the one who belongs to the Politically
Correct Party, and now you're complaining because you don't like
having to call *yourself* by a Politically Correct Name?
I'm not a fucking democrat, dickwad. I'm anti-republican. I don't
belong to any fucking party. Quit trying to tell me what I think, you
sound like a fucking theist.
Oh, brother, listen to who's telling *me* not to tell him what to think.
You are trying to tell me that the answer to predjudice is to hide
what you are.
You think politics is about telling the people what they don't want to
hear? Where the hell have you been?
Yeah. Sure. That'll work.
It apparently doesn't matter what you believe. As long as you
believe some bizarre crap, theists will think you're ok.
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry
of being shut out from holding public office unless you are a
card-carrying Christian?"
And for the vast majority, that's correct.
Well ain't that just too bad. We'll just have to go cry in the
corner with the Commies and the Greens.
You're perfectly welcome to do that.
I'm not the one who is complaining.
Then why did you say "we"?
Because the last I noticed, I'm still an atheist.
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state
and local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit
if some avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal
districts.
The whole point is that your use of "slipped by" indicates a
problem.
Then the problem is that you lack any sense of humor.
Since I can't imagine how you could be more of a parody of yourself,
it's hard to tell when you're actually going for humor.
Since you're not capable of understanding anybody but yourself, you
mean.
So in what way was the 'slipped by" comment supposed to be humor?
If I have to explain it, it's not humor.
Or it wasn't humor at all, and you're just trying to hide your gaffe.
I'm pretty sure that I can still tell when I'm joking, Denis.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
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17 Apr 2006 08:38:29 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666" on
your forehead.
So, your solution is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Brilliant...
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry of
being shut out from holding public office unless you are a card-carrying
Christian?"
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state and
local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if some
avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal districts.
Yes, perhaps I should have said, "unless you are a card-carrying
Christian or Jew". The fundamental issue is the same.
For untold generations, religious organizations have systematically
demonized atheists as people to be feared and shunned. But like black
people, gays, and other groups who have been singled out for
discrimination, we will not simply go away. Writers like Sam Harris and
Daniel Dennett are standing up and speaking their minds, as are many
excellent voices on this newsgroup. Shattering the taboos against
criticizing religious beliefs is happening around the world, thanks in
part to the shocking behavior of religious fanatics in our government.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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17 Apr 2006 10:20:05 PM |
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(Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hdyalq.1t9lcfo15rrfssN%:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666" on
your forehead.
So, your solution is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Brilliant...
Like I just told Denis, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the
kitchen.
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry of
being shut out from holding public office unless you are a
card-carrying Christian?"
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state and
local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if some
avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal districts.
Yes, perhaps I should have said, "unless you are a card-carrying
Christian or Jew". The fundamental issue is the same.
For untold generations, religious organizations have systematically
demonized atheists as people to be feared and shunned. But like black
people, gays, and other groups who have been singled out for
discrimination, we will not simply go away. Writers like Sam Harris
and Daniel Dennett are standing up and speaking their minds, as are
many excellent voices on this newsgroup. Shattering the taboos against
criticizing religious beliefs is happening around the world, thanks in
part to the shocking behavior of religious fanatics in our government.
Yes, yes, atheists are the new blacks, right after the mexicans and the
muslims.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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18 Apr 2006 04:30:40 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A8ED9553AC9fstone69@81.174.50.80...
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hdyalq.1t9lcfo15rrfssN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666" on
your forehead.
So, your solution is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Brilliant...
Like I just told Denis, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the
kitchen.
Yes, to win we would have to lie.
*****, if winning was all that was important, atheist politicians could just
call themselves evangelical Christians and get the vote that way.
But I would like to think they might have some integrity, otherwise what's
the point.
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry of
being shut out from holding public office unless you are a
card-carrying Christian?"
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state and
local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if some
avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal districts.
Yes, perhaps I should have said, "unless you are a card-carrying
Christian or Jew". The fundamental issue is the same.
For untold generations, religious organizations have systematically
demonized atheists as people to be feared and shunned. But like black
people, gays, and other groups who have been singled out for
discrimination, we will not simply go away. Writers like Sam Harris
and Daniel Dennett are standing up and speaking their minds, as are
many excellent voices on this newsgroup. Shattering the taboos against
criticizing religious beliefs is happening around the world, thanks in
part to the shocking behavior of religious fanatics in our government.
Yes, yes, atheists are the new blacks, right after the mexicans and the
muslims.
There are successful black politicians. There are successful Hispanic
politicians. Muslims in the current climate? Probably not. That's their
problem.
But no atheist politicians.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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18 Apr 2006 06:15:37 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ZYKdnU-WGfxfLNnZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A8ED9553AC9fstone69@81.174.50.80...
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hdyalq.1t9lcfo15rrfssN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666"
on your forehead.
So, your solution is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Brilliant...
Like I just told Denis, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the
kitchen.
Yes, to win we would have to lie.
*****, if winning was all that was important, atheist politicians could
just call themselves evangelical Christians and get the vote that way.
But I would like to think they might have some integrity, otherwise
what's the point.
The point, Denis, is to get elected. If you don't want to do what it
takes to get elected, don't run. It's that simple.
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry
of being shut out from holding public office unless you are a
card-carrying Christian?"
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state
and local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if
some avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal districts.
Yes, perhaps I should have said, "unless you are a card-carrying
Christian or Jew". The fundamental issue is the same.
For untold generations, religious organizations have systematically
demonized atheists as people to be feared and shunned. But like
black people, gays, and other groups who have been singled out for
discrimination, we will not simply go away. Writers like Sam Harris
and Daniel Dennett are standing up and speaking their minds, as are
many excellent voices on this newsgroup. Shattering the taboos
against criticizing religious beliefs is happening around the world,
thanks in part to the shocking behavior of religious fanatics in our
government.
Yes, yes, atheists are the new blacks, right after the mexicans and
the muslims.
There are successful black politicians.
And look at *them*.
Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton. Cynthia McKinney.
Yes, there are black politicians with integrity. They're *republicans*.
There are successful Hispanic politicians. Muslims in the current
climate? Probably not. That's their problem.
But no atheist politicians.
I found six "unaffiliated" in Congress. I don't know if that means
"atheist" or "I made up my own religion" or what.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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18 Apr 2006 02:06:19 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A94A0C7ABCFfstone69@81.174.50.80...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ZYKdnU-WGfxfLNnZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A8ED9553AC9fstone69@81.174.50.80...
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hdyalq.1t9lcfo15rrfssN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666"
on your forehead.
So, your solution is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Brilliant...
Like I just told Denis, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the
kitchen.
Yes, to win we would have to lie.
*****, if winning was all that was important, atheist politicians could
just call themselves evangelical Christians and get the vote that way.
But I would like to think they might have some integrity, otherwise
what's the point.
The point, Denis, is to get elected. If you don't want to do what it
takes to get elected, don't run. It's that simple.
I already know your mantra is "the ends justify the means". It's evident in
everything you write.
Look up above at what Scott Richter wrote: "How about the bigotry
of being shut out from holding public office unless you are a
card-carrying Christian?"
As I posted elsewhere, it turns out there are more than just one
non-Christian in Congress, and I don't have any figures on state
and local offices around the country. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if
some avowed atheists slipped by in some more liberal districts.
Yes, perhaps I should have said, "unless you are a card-carrying
Christian or Jew". The fundamental issue is the same.
For untold generations, religious organizations have systematically
demonized atheists as people to be feared and shunned. But like
black people, gays, and other groups who have been singled out for
discrimination, we will not simply go away. Writers like Sam Harris
and Daniel Dennett are standing up and speaking their minds, as are
many excellent voices on this newsgroup. Shattering the taboos
against criticizing religious beliefs is happening around the world,
thanks in part to the shocking behavior of religious fanatics in our
government.
Yes, yes, atheists are the new blacks, right after the mexicans and
the muslims.
There are successful black politicians.
And look at *them*.
Yes?
Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton. Cynthia McKinney.
Yes, there are black politicians with integrity. They're *republicans*.
Possibly. But don't assume for one minute that I think your opinion of what
constitutes integrity carries any weight. You've already voided that with
your end justifying the means perspective.
There are successful Hispanic politicians. Muslims in the current
climate? Probably not. That's their problem.
But no atheist politicians.
I found six "unaffiliated" in Congress. I don't know if that means
"atheist" or "I made up my own religion" or what.
Yup.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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18 Apr 2006 02:37:46 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:I-KdndAhE5pzqtjZRVn-pw@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A94A0C7ABCFfstone69@81.174.50.80...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ZYKdnU-WGfxfLNnZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A8ED9553AC9fstone69@81.174.50.80...
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hdyalq.1t9lcfo15rrfssN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666"
on your forehead.
So, your solution is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Brilliant...
Like I just told Denis, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of
the kitchen.
Yes, to win we would have to lie.
*****, if winning was all that was important, atheist politicians
could just call themselves evangelical Christians and get the vote
that way.
But I would like to think they might have some integrity, otherwise
what's the point.
The point, Denis, is to get elected. If you don't want to do what it
takes to get elected, don't run. It's that simple.
I already know your mantra is "the ends justify the means". It's
evident in everything you write.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :-)
<...>
There are successful black politicians.
And look at *them*.
Yes?
Yes.
Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton. Cynthia McKinney.
Well? Afraid to look at them?
Yes, there are black politicians with integrity. They're
*republicans*.
Possibly. But don't assume for one minute that I think your opinion of
what constitutes integrity carries any weight. You've already voided
that with your end justifying the means perspective.
That would be *your* perspective problem, not mine.
There are successful Hispanic politicians. Muslims in the current
climate? Probably not. That's their problem.
But no atheist politicians.
I found six "unaffiliated" in Congress. I don't know if that means
"atheist" or "I made up my own religion" or what.
Yup.
Well, what? You still haven't proved that there are no atheist
politicians anywhere in the United States.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Master of Orion 3 lives!
Patch 1.2.5 - http://moo3.quicksilver.com/official/patch071803.html
Strawberry Mod - http://www.moo3.at/mods/link.php?id=142
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18 Apr 2006 04:13:59 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A99F32E6222fstone69@81.174.50.80...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:I-KdndAhE5pzqtjZRVn-pw@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A94A0C7ABCFfstone69@81.174.50.80...
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
news:ZYKdnU-WGfxfLNnZnZ2dnUVZ_tOdnZ2d@io.com:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97A8ED9553AC9fstone69@81.174.50.80...
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hdyalq.1t9lcfo15rrfssN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
I don't have to attack that fact. You don't have to annouce your
membership in the EAC if you want to run for mayor. Call yourself
"unaffiliated". It's not like anybody but Chung can see the "666"
on your forehead.
So, your solution is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Brilliant...
Like I just told Denis, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of
the kitchen.
Yes, to win we would have to lie.
*****, if winning was all that was important, atheist politicians
could just call themselves evangelical Christians and get the vote
that way.
But I would like to think they might have some integrity, otherwise
what's the point.
The point, Denis, is to get elected. If you don't want to do what it
takes to get elected, don't run. It's that simple.
I already know your mantra is "the ends justify the means". It's
evident in everything you write.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :-)
Now I'm confused. You use a smiley to indicate that "the ends justify the
means" is just a joke, yet you actually seem to advocate the approach below.
Which is it, a good thing or a bad thing?
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