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23 Dec 2004 07:18:18 PM |
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America - An Enlightened nation?" |
"Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in
evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"
--- Garry Wills
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| User: "ernobe" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
24 Dec 2004 06:57:14 PM |
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"Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in
evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"
Can anyone who believes life evolved out of utter nothingness be called
enlightened?
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http://www.costarricense.cr/pagina/ernobe
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
25 Dec 2004 03:57:16 AM |
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On 25 Dec 2004 00:57:14 GMT, ernobe <ernobe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can anyone who believes life evolved out of utter nothingness be called
enlightened?
No but fortunately nobody has such a belief as far as I know.
I have no knowledge how life came about but this is no reason to
jump to an unenlighted belief that is must have been created.
There is no more reason to believe it was created than it came
out of nothing. Surely the enlightened approach is to admit we
don't know and start looking for a reational explanation?
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
25 Dec 2004 12:59:17 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 09:57:16 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:
On 25 Dec 2004 00:57:14 GMT, ernobe <ernobe@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can anyone who believes life evolved out of utter nothingness be called
enlightened?
No but fortunately nobody has such a belief as far as I know.
Xtians do.
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| User: "sAnToLiNa" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
25 Dec 2004 08:23:28 PM |
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ernobe <ernobe@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:333s7aF3oallhU1@individual.net...
"Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in
evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"
Can anyone who believes life evolved out of utter nothingness be called
enlightened?
Your God came out of utter nothingness.
(Oops, forgot, He always was, which is existentially more likely than coming
out of nothingness. My bad)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
25 Dec 2004 10:51:11 AM |
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ernobe wrote:
"Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth
than in
evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"
Can anyone who believes life evolved out of utter nothingness be
called
enlightened?
Rather ironic that you speak of enlightenment when
you clearly don't have a clue about what evolution says.
Don't you think?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
26 Dec 2004 12:59:56 PM |
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On 25 Dec 2004 08:51:11 -0800, wrote:
ernobe wrote:
"Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth
than in
evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"
Can anyone who believes life evolved out of utter nothingness be
called
enlightened?
Rather ironic that you speak of enlightenment when
you clearly don't have a clue about what evolution says.
Don't you think?
Clearly ernobe and thought as well as education have yet to meet.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "sAnToLiNa" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
23 Dec 2004 11:09:32 PM |
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BLUERHYMER <bluerhymer@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223201818.05904.00001615@mb-m19.aol.com...
"Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in
evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"
Individuals can be enlightened or not, not a "people" or a "nation".
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| User: "Ian Braidwood" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
24 Dec 2004 04:55:54 AM |
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Agreed.
The only people who claim enlightenment for a particular nation are
members of that nation.
(-: Ian :-)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
24 Dec 2004 08:37:46 AM |
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On 24 Dec 2004 02:55:54 -0800, "Ian Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>
wrote:
Agreed.
The only people who claim enlightenment for a particular nation are
members of that nation.
Worse than that. Bible belt fundies imagine they are God's chosen
people. That the Jews used to be but they turned their back on Christ.
They imagine that US prosperity (which is disappearing up its own
wazoo) is because they're God's chosen.
Wait until they start looking for scapegoats to blame when the US
economy tanks.
(-: Ian :-)
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
24 Dec 2004 01:39:47 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:37:46 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 24 Dec 2004 02:55:54 -0800, "Ian Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>
wrote:
Agreed.
The only people who claim enlightenment for a particular nation are
members of that nation.
Worse than that. Bible belt fundies imagine they are God's chosen
people. That the Jews used to be but they turned their back on Christ.
They imagine that US prosperity (which is disappearing up its own
wazoo) is because they're God's chosen.
Wait until they start looking for scapegoats to blame when the US
economy tanks.
Atheists.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
25 Dec 2004 03:31:47 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:39:47 -0800 in alt.atheism, stoney
<stoney@the.net> defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet
stall:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:37:46 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 24 Dec 2004 02:55:54 -0800, "Ian Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>
wrote:
Agreed.
The only people who claim enlightenment for a particular nation are
members of that nation.
Worse than that. Bible belt fundies imagine they are God's chosen
people. That the Jews used to be but they turned their back on Christ.
They imagine that US prosperity (which is disappearing up its own
wazoo) is because they're God's chosen.
Wait until they start looking for scapegoats to blame when the US
economy tanks.
Atheists.
Don't forget queers.
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
--
CrazyAlec is quite amusing.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
26 Dec 2004 12:59:19 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:31:47 -0500, Uncle Buck
<UncleBuck@SpamMeNot.com> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 11:39:47 -0800 in alt.atheism, stoney
<stoney@the.net> defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet
stall:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:37:46 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 24 Dec 2004 02:55:54 -0800, "Ian Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>
wrote:
Agreed.
The only people who claim enlightenment for a particular nation are
members of that nation.
Worse than that. Bible belt fundies imagine they are God's chosen
people. That the Jews used to be but they turned their back on Christ.
They imagine that US prosperity (which is disappearing up its own
wazoo) is because they're God's chosen.
Wait until they start looking for scapegoats to blame when the US
economy tanks.
Atheists.
Don't forget queers.
Appearances are homosexuals are automatically included.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
25 Dec 2004 05:45:06 AM |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:39:47 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <k3sos0pumqgq9utqonb2qifimvhu4ng8pk@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:37:46 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 24 Dec 2004 02:55:54 -0800, "Ian Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>
wrote:
Agreed.
The only people who claim enlightenment for a particular nation are
members of that nation.
Worse than that. Bible belt fundies imagine they are God's chosen
people. That the Jews used to be but they turned their back on Christ.
They imagine that US prosperity (which is disappearing up its own
wazoo) is because they're God's chosen.
Wait until they start looking for scapegoats to blame when the US
economy tanks.
Atheists.
True, but to these people everyone is an atheist but them.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³Head up my *****, indeed. I mean look! I can see the Islets of Langerhans from
here!"--Uncle Dollar Bill
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
25 Dec 2004 01:06:41 PM |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:45:06 -0600, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:39:47 -0600, stoney wrote
(in article <k3sos0pumqgq9utqonb2qifimvhu4ng8pk@4ax.com>):
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:37:46 -0500, Christopher A. Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On 24 Dec 2004 02:55:54 -0800, "Ian Braidwood" <diri.gini@virgin.net>
wrote:
Agreed.
The only people who claim enlightenment for a particular nation are
members of that nation.
Worse than that. Bible belt fundies imagine they are God's chosen
people. That the Jews used to be but they turned their back on Christ.
They imagine that US prosperity (which is disappearing up its own
wazoo) is because they're God's chosen.
Wait until they start looking for scapegoats to blame when the US
economy tanks.
Atheists.
True, but to these people everyone is an atheist but them.
May they then gleefully and righteously slaughter each other and leave
the adults alone.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
23 Dec 2004 10:33:47 PM |
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BLUERHYMER wrote:
"Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in
evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"
--- Garry Wills
regrettably - no
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| User: "Jez" |
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24 Dec 2004 07:09:27 AM |
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BLUERHYMER wrote:
"Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in
evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"
Depends....does everyone have light-bulbs ?
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
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| User: "DaveJr" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
23 Dec 2004 09:53:32 PM |
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Is there ANY place on the planet that doesn't cater to fairy tales?
Depressing isn't it?
"BLUERHYMER" <bluerhymer@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041223201818.05904.00001615@mb-m19.aol.com...
"Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in
evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"
--- Garry Wills
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| User: "Uncle Buck" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
25 Dec 2004 03:31:00 PM |
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On 24 Dec 2004 01:18:18 GMT in alt.atheism,
(BLUERHYMER) defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
"Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in
evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"
--- Garry Wills
Since this nation's _always_ believed more fervently in the Virgin
Birth than in evolution, who on earth had the gall to even _call_ it
an Enlightened(sic) nation?
--
L8r,
Uncle Buck
--
CrazyAlec is quite amusing.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: America - An Enlightened nation?" |
24 Dec 2004 01:38:59 PM |
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On 24 Dec 2004 01:18:18 GMT, (BLUERHYMER) wrote:
"Can a people that believes more fervently in the Virgin Birth than in
evolution still be called an Enlightened nation?"
--- Garry Wills
Yes, but the light has turned black.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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