James Ascher wrote:

Jon wrote:

For some reason, fundamentalist Christianity has decided that defending
Israel and the Jews is its number one priority. This has set them up
against
Islam. The Jews don't give a ***** - they just want to be left alone.
Jews aren't going around persecuting and killing anyone who isn't a Jew.
Their religion is not evangelistic. It's insular. If you're not born a
Jew,
then you're not a real Jew and they do not particularly want you to
convert.

What lies. The Jews of Israel terrorized the native Palestinian
population in their attempt to create a homeland where none had existed
for over 2500 years - about 10 times as long as the US has existed.

While what you are saying is fundamentally true, it loses it's edge by
exaggeration. The bulk of original "Jews" had dispersed by around 700 AD,
into Spain, Egypt, Iran, North Africa, but a significant number remained
throughout the entire past two millenea, living peacefully and neighborly
within a Moslem majority. Those Jews are known as Sephardi and Karaite,
mainly, and are known to be descended from the Hebrews of the bible.
The other sort of "Jews", the whiners from hell, historians believe are
not descended from the Hebrews at all, but from the Russian Kazaars, who
mass converted to Judaism around 700 AD as a nation, were shortly later
driven out by a Moslem invasion, and found refuge in Poland. That sort
is called "Ashkenazi", and form the population of annoying noise makers
which most folks love to hate. Most of the six million Hitler's boys had
their way with were Ashkenazi, and the bulk of "Jews" who formed the new
Jewish state c. 1948 were Ashkenazi, who had no history there at all,
being descended from Russian Kazaars, who in turn were genetically from
the Sumarians, nothing Hebrew or Semitic in their blood at all except
by injection.

The Israeli Jews continue, on a near-daily basis, to terrorize the
Palestinians who are banned from improving their lot - education, jobs,
self-governance.

There again, the facts of history are a bit twisted. When the Pseudo-Jews
began moving into Palestine, even long before the mass movement post
WW II, the Theodore Herzl fantasy-land days of the early 20th C., the
area now Israel was a stinking desert, a wasteland with a few basically
illiterate Islamic hobo's, who at most could recite from the Qu'ran by
rote. Were not talking downtown Boston by any means. Several reliable
sources witness that pre- "New Jerusalem" Palestine was an empty and
climatically hostile wilderness before the Ashkenazi dream-landers
started showing up. If not for them, most of Palestine except for the
area along the West Bank of the Jordan River would be an uninhabited
desert, and the only "education" Islamic kids would be getting would be
the traditional memorizing the Qu'ran for boys and learn how to make
bread for girls. The pseudo Jews got water from a rock as it were, just
like Americans did in Arizona, rehabilitating the land with their Kibbutz
farms. Despite being annoying and stuck up like nobody's business,
(e.g., imagine having some stuck-up ***** Hassidic Rabbi turning his
back on you like you were inferior to dog *****, what an ego problem!
no wonder "Jews" had to invent psychology! They're right on the edge
already!) the pseudo-Jews do deserve credit for rehabilitating the dirt
in Palestine, without them the place would still be about as home-like
as the Sonoran desert.

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:18:48 GMT, "Douglas D. Anderson"
<dda@rr.rochester.com> wrote in message
<cuMUe.52331$PM3.32648@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:

Jon wrote:

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:14:55 +0300, "Goodness Godless" <cla@cwcom.net> wrote

"Jon" <upfold@icon.co.za> wrote in message

What kind of democracy stoops to forcibly evicting people who have endured
the worst that nature has flung at them?
first America completely neglects New Orleans, and now they are forcing
people out at gunpoint and in handcuffs?
what kinda fucked up piece of ***** cuntry is America?
what a fucking shithole.

The USA is a Plutocracy.

it's irrelevant what you surmise.
what is relevant is that your cuntry is bizarre.
it represents itself to the world as the bastion of freedom and democracy.

No, it doesn't.

Oh yes it does.

Don't confuse the popular media, in the tradition
of Thomas Jefferson and his populist French loving lunatics, with
reality.

The message is carried by whomever. It does not matter that the US
government doesn't make an official proclamation.

The government is a representative republic. A collection of articles
called "The Federalist Papers", goes through an exhaustive, lucid,
and utterly brilliant analysis of what government is, what it is
supposed to do, how it works, and illuminates precisely why "democracy"
would never work.

Americans like to make a lot of noise about democracy, particularly *their*
democracy.

The mid 18th century was to political science what
the early 20th century was to atomic physics, and men like John Jay,
James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton were the literal equivalents of
Rutherford, Einstein, Plank, Fermi, et al. The big problem is that the
majority likes to follow the populist anarchy of Thomas Jefferson...
why? Because it doesn't require any effort.

I have never read any of those idiots and I don't ever intend to.

Political "science" holds little interest for me. Academia holds little
interest for me. I am interested in reality, not intellectual *****.

i viewed a BBC news TV report this morning on what is happening in New
Orleans. There were pictures of your US stormtroopers and SWAT (SWAT!!)
moving through the town. Some were snipers taking up positions with scoped
rifles.

What exactly is that all about? Are they fighting a war there, or are they
there to help?

When our army is sent in to help a disaster area, they go in unarmed.
There is no need for weapons. Their hands are needed for tasks other than
brandishing weapons about. That's not to say that there is no security,
there are some armed troops.

The BBC reporter said it's difficult to imagine that this is America.

Is this what America has become? Just force, force, force everywhere you
go.

You have no freedom.

I have no clue why any South African would want to move to the US. I think
they must suffer from a severe kind of madness. Maybe they prefer to live
in an Apartheid style society.

No amount of financial reward could entice me to exchange my freedom in
order to live in the land of slavery, that America has become.