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AMERICA NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION |
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America is Not a Christian Nation
Thursday, May 15, 2003
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America is Not a Christian Nation
By C. E. Carlson
Many people in the Middle East consider America to be a Christian
country because of the professions of certain leaders. A professing
G. W. Bush followed a professing Bill Clinton. Some cynics think
it must pay politically to profess. Americans, including many
churched people, tell me they are puzzled about what Christianity
means. Who can blame them?
George Bush and Paul Wolfowitz are not deceptive. They are blatant
promoters of serial wars, and they make no pretenses about it. Mr.
Wolfowitz is the front man for The Project for the New American
Century, described by ABC Nightline Anchorman Ted Koppel, as a
"Cabal" for war. What Israeli patriot Koppel failed to note is
that the Cabal's plan is an anti-Islamic war agenda on wheels, aimed
at one Muslim country after another. The 90-page document is now
publicly available for all to read. (Rebuilding America's Defenses)
The primary facilitators of serial wars, who are deceptively edging
us toward it, call themselves Christian Zionists (CZ). We did not
invent this term, they did. Christian Zionism is political and
racist, pandering to a doctrine of Israeli's superiority over others,
supposedly as seen in God's eyes. It follows that CZ holds to the
inferiority of all other people, especially Arabs, to Israelis.
Christ refuted this notion in his time and demonstrated it in his
life.
Please read every word of The Interfaith Zionist Leadership Summit
Website for their upcoming, posh conference in Washington on May
17-18. The interfaith Zionist Leadership Summit for America and
Israel states their one purpose: "To Solidify and Chart the Future
Strategy for the Emerging Alliance of Jewish and Christian Zionists."
Sponsors and speakers include many leading professing Christians.
(The Interfaith Zionist Leadership Summit)
Project Strait Gate says: "CHRISTIAN RACISM KILLS". It makes a god
icon out of Israel, which makes war a certainty. But, there is no
such thing as Christian Zionism because Zionism is by definition,
racism. Any form of race hatred is not Christian. CZ is truly an
oxymoron.
Jesus was described best by his apostle Paul who told followers
that in God's eyes: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is
neither slave nor free, there is neither male not female for you
are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28) Why should God view
us differently today?
This writer debated one of the sponsors on public AM radio station
KCRO in Omaha earlier this year. The debated topic was "Is Israel
the fulfillment of Bible prophesies?" I said "NO" and Clarence
Wagner of Bridges for Peace said "YES". This is the defining
question in exposing Christian Zionists who universally believe
this statement. A recorded tape of the debate is available.
Every statement from Christian patriarchs, starting with Jesus
Christ, forbids racism of any kind. His was and still is a doctrine
of love and acceptance. Perhaps it is of these Judeo-Christian
churchmen Jesus spoke of when he said: "Many will say to me on that
day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, and cast out
demons in your name and done many wonders in your name?' And then
I will declare to them, 'I never knew you, depart from me, you who
practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:22-23)
One of the Ten Commandments says: "Thou shall not take the name of
the Lord in vain." Christian Zionism takes His name in vain by
claiming to be of Him when in fact they associate His name with
what He died to end, hatred, murder, covetousness, and lack of love
for ones brothers of a different tribe. The heresy of racism is
ingrained in a large part of churchmanship in America.
It is past time to declare that America may have once been, but is
no longer a Christian nation. Each church should be tested by those
who support it to see if it can be trusted to represent Jesus Christ.
We do not test your church for you. We only supply the litmus
paper. You must dip it and see if it turns pink or blue. We are
often asked, "How do I find a church worthy of my support and
attendance?"
Action recommended by Project Strait Gate:
* Read back issues of Pharisee Watch.
* Circulate Project Strait Gate resources among church leaders.
* Start a Project Strait Gate.
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| Title: Re: AMERICA NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION |
19 Nov 2005 11:09:21 AM |
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote
: Forwarded message posted for discussion
:
: America is Not a Christian Nation
:
: Thursday, May 15, 2003
:
: This message is from Message Forwarders, a nonpartisan public service
organization.
:
: Project Strait Gate, a group that pickets in front of Churches says:
:
: America is Not a Christian Nation
:
: By C. E. Carlson
:
: Many people in the Middle East consider America to be a Christian
: country because of the professions of certain leaders. A professing
: G. W. Bush followed a professing Bill Clinton. Some cynics think
: it must pay politically to profess. Americans, including many
: churched people, tell me they are puzzled about what Christianity
: means. Who can blame them?
:
: George Bush and Paul Wolfowitz are not deceptive. They are blatant
: promoters of serial wars, and they make no pretenses about it. Mr.
: Wolfowitz is the front man for The Project for the New American
: Century, described by ABC Nightline Anchorman Ted Koppel, as a
: "Cabal" for war. What Israeli patriot Koppel failed to note is
: that the Cabal's plan is an anti-Islamic war agenda on wheels, aimed
: at one Muslim country after another. The 90-page document is now
: publicly available for all to read. (Rebuilding America's Defenses)
:
: The primary facilitators of serial wars, who are deceptively edging
: us toward it, call themselves Christian Zionists (CZ). We did not
: invent this term, they did. Christian Zionism is political and
: racist, pandering to a doctrine of Israeli's superiority over others,
: supposedly as seen in God's eyes. It follows that CZ holds to the
: inferiority of all other people, especially Arabs, to Israelis.
: Christ refuted this notion in his time and demonstrated it in his
: life.
:
: Please read every word of The Interfaith Zionist Leadership Summit
: Website for their upcoming, posh conference in Washington on May
: 17-18. The interfaith Zionist Leadership Summit for America and
: Israel states their one purpose: "To Solidify and Chart the Future
: Strategy for the Emerging Alliance of Jewish and Christian Zionists."
: Sponsors and speakers include many leading professing Christians.
: (The Interfaith Zionist Leadership Summit)
:
: Project Strait Gate says: "CHRISTIAN RACISM KILLS". It makes a god
: icon out of Israel, which makes war a certainty. But, there is no
: such thing as Christian Zionism because Zionism is by definition,
: racism. Any form of race hatred is not Christian. CZ is truly an
: oxymoron.
:
: Jesus was described best by his apostle Paul who told followers
: that in God's eyes: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is
: neither slave nor free, there is neither male not female for you
: are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28) Why should God view
: us differently today?
:
: This writer debated one of the sponsors on public AM radio station
: KCRO in Omaha earlier this year. The debated topic was "Is Israel
: the fulfillment of Bible prophesies?" I said "NO" and Clarence
: Wagner of Bridges for Peace said "YES". This is the defining
: question in exposing Christian Zionists who universally believe
: this statement. A recorded tape of the debate is available.
:
: Every statement from Christian patriarchs, starting with Jesus
: Christ, forbids racism of any kind. His was and still is a doctrine
: of love and acceptance. Perhaps it is of these Judeo-Christian
: churchmen Jesus spoke of when he said: "Many will say to me on that
: day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name, and cast out
: demons in your name and done many wonders in your name?' And then
: I will declare to them, 'I never knew you, depart from me, you who
: practice lawlessness!'" (Matthew 7:22-23)
:
: One of the Ten Commandments says: "Thou shall not take the name of
: the Lord in vain." Christian Zionism takes His name in vain by
: claiming to be of Him when in fact they associate His name with
: what He died to end, hatred, murder, covetousness, and lack of love
: for ones brothers of a different tribe. The heresy of racism is
: ingrained in a large part of churchmanship in America.
:
: It is past time to declare that America may have once been, but is
: no longer a Christian nation. Each church should be tested by those
: who support it to see if it can be trusted to represent Jesus Christ.
: We do not test your church for you. We only supply the litmus
: paper. You must dip it and see if it turns pink or blue. We are
: often asked, "How do I find a church worthy of my support and
: attendance?"
:
: Action recommended by Project Strait Gate:
:
: * Read back issues of Pharisee Watch.
: * Circulate Project Strait Gate resources among church leaders.
: * Start a Project Strait Gate.
:
: PROJECT STRAIT GATE: 480-699-4862.
: Message Forwarders is a nonpartisan public service organization.
: To subscribe please send blank message to (forward85...@yahoo.com).
: This message should have "Subscribe" in the subject line.
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: End of forwarded message
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: Jai Maharaj
: http://www.mantra.com/jai
: Om Shanti
:
: Hindu Holocaust Museum
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:
: Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
: http://www.hindu.org
: http://www.hindunet.org
:
: The truth about Islam and Muslims
: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
:
: The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
:
: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
: peace, but a sword.
: "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
: daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
: law.
: "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
: - Matthew 10:34-36.
:
: o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the
educational
: purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may
not
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| Title: Re: AMERICA NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION |
19 Nov 2005 11:18:00 AM |
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AMERICAN FOREFATHERS ON CHRISTIANITY
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[ Subject: American forefathers' on Christianity
[ From: viji
[ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005
http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0312/ET29-8494.html
The American forefathers' disdain for Christianity, in
uncompromising words, is quite clear from their many
statements and letters.
Thomas Paine (Statesman/Author) states; "Whenever we read
the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the
cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting
vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is
filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the
word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of
wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize
mankind.
"Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the
author, on which only the strange belief that it is the
word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of
Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and
contradictory or invented absurdities, or of downright
lies."
EDITORIAL December 29, 2003 VNN8494
The Burning Cross (Part 2)
BY PRADEEP SHARMA
EDITORIAL, Dec 29 (VNN) - Since my last article The
Burning Cross (part 1) appeared on VNN some readers have
requested me to write more on the history of Christianity
in their crusade against Vaishnavism in India and
elsewhere.
The systematic slander and crusade against Vaishnavism
seems to have begun immediately after the arrival of the
Portuguese and Christian (Catholic) missionaries in India
(Goa/Kerala) almost five centuries ago and has to one
degree or another persisted up to the present day.
The fall of the Viyajnagar Empire to the Muslim invaders
shortly after the arrival of the Portuguese in Goa left
much of the coastal regions in the south without a strong
Hindu Protector. Thus the Portuguese/Christian conquest
in Goa went largely unopposed until the British Raja came
to power in India and the Portuguese military eventually
withdrew leaving only the Church behind.
The Goan Inquisition was the bloody inauguration of what
has been a 500 year slander and crusade against
Vaishnavism, which now reaches many distant corners of
the world. It is recorded and admitted by 'Saint' Xavier
(a Jesuit Priest) in his letters that he personally
insisted that his monarch Dom Joao of Portugal dispatch
the Inquisition to India. During this time the figure of
a Vaishnava and their shrines were not so distinguishable
to the uneducated eye of the Portuguese and so the
Inquisition focused on Brahmanism in general and not
particularly on Vaishnavism. After starting the
Inquisition, Xavier departed for Japan and did not stay
in Goa to see the bloodshed and suffering that he caused.
Not able to withstand the horrors of the
Portuguese/Christian conquest in Goa thousands of Gaura
Saraswata Vaishnava Brahmins made a mass exodus at that
time and resettled in Dakshin Kanada (Karnataka) to the
south. These Gaura Saraswata Brahmins from Goa who
settled in Karnataka were the forefathers of Rupa and
Sanatana Goswamis.
After sometime the Protestant Churches also joined the
crusade against everything Indian or Vedic, with a
particular scorn for Lord Jagannatha at Puri. The
Protestant Reverends of the times, such as Rev.
Claudius Buchanan (1813), considered Jagannatha as a
morbid God of death with a bloodthirsty smile. These
missionaries and Christian travelers in India created a
gross misrepresentation of the sect of Jagannatha and
spread their maliciousness throughout the Christian world
in their writings.
Rev. Claudius Buchanan wrote, From Surat to this place
(Jagannatha Puri, a distance of not less than 3,000
kilometers), all the highway was stowed with dead people,
our noses never free from the stink of them. Women were
seen to roast their children. A man or woman no sooner
dead but they were cut in pieces to be eaten.
I have seen Juggernaut. The scene at Bhadrak is but the
vestibule of Juggernaut. No record of ancient or modern
history can give, I think, an adequate idea of this
Valley of Death; it may be truly compared with the Valley
of Hinnom (a place in Israel where human child sacrifices
were performed before the god Moloch). The idol called
Juggernaut has been considered as the Moloch of the
present age; and he is justly so named, for the
sacrifices offered up to him by self-devotement are not
less criminal, perhaps not less numerous, than those
recorded of the Moloch of Canaan (Canaan was the state
and Hinnom the city for human child sacrifices).
The senses are assailed by the squalid and ghastly
appearance of the famished pilgrims; many of whom die in
the streets of want or disease; while the devotees, with
clotted hair and painted flesh, are seen practicing their
various austerities, and modes of self-torture. Persons
of both sexes, with little regard to concealment, sit
down on the sands, close to the town in public view; and
the sacred bulls walk about among them and eat the ordure
(stool).
The idol is a block of wood, having a frightful visage
painted black, with a distended mouth of a bloody colour.
The characteristics of Moloch's worship are obscenity and
blood. (From the diary of Rev. Claudius Buchanan)
Robert Southey (1809) wrote in Curse of Kehama" (XIV 5) a
scornful poem about Lord Jagannatha to the delight of his
Christian readers.
The ponderous car rolls on and crushes all, Through flesh
and bones it ploughs its dreadful path. Groans rise
unheard; the dying cry and death and agony. Are trodden
under foot by your mad throng. Who follow close and
thrust the deadly wheels along.
The Christian crusade against Jagannatha was summed up by
J. Peggs in his book A History of the General Baptist
Mission, London, 1846 as follows.
Juggernaut, the great, the obscene, the bloody
Juggernaut, must fall; Long perhaps will be the struggle
and fierce the conflict but he must fall; and the place
which knows him now will know him no more for ever."
These exaggerated and scornful criticisms of Jagannatha
were intended to stir the emotions of a Christian
population in Europe grown complacent to missionary
activities of the Church. The Church was in need of fresh
recruits (missionaries) and the obvious financial support
needed to carry out missionary activities. These scornful
criticisms were also intended to shame the Hindu
population.
To this day, missionary activities of the Church are
still going on in Orrissa aimed at undoing the worship of
Jagannatha and decrying the Vaishnavas and their creed.
No more clear and unbiased evidence of the Christian
(Catholic) lack of tolerance and utter hatred for any
form of religion other than their own is shown in the
Jesuit Oath. This oath, from 16th century circa, is still
uttered in Latin by those men who take to the robes of
the Jesuit order in modern times. The oath clearly
reveals the evil commitment of their creed and curiously
enough even mentions India. An excerpt from that oath
follows.
I do further promise and declare, that I will have no
opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation
whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver, but will
unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may
receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and
of Jesus Christ.
That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may
be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning
sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India,
to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild
haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without
murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all
things whatsoever communicated to me.
I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when
opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war,
secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and
Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and
exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and
that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that
I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive
these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of
their women and crush their infants' heads against the
walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable
race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will
secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord,
the steel of the poniard (dagger) or the leaden bullet,
regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of
the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in
life, either public or private, as I at any time may be
directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of
the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of
Jesus.
The Catholic Church and the Protestant Church are indeed
deeply divided as the above oath clearly suggests. Both
parties are quick to persecute (kill, murder and torture)
each other and even members of their own faith, what to
speak of a person (man, woman, or child) of a foreign
faith.
We have God to thank for secular governments who
guarantee freedom of faith; otherwise anyone non-
Christian in this world would soon be hung, boiled,
flayed, strangled, buried alive, stomachs and wombs
ripped up, or have their infants' heads crushed against
the walls.
This raises a very interesting point. The United States
of America (a secular government) is perhaps the single
greatest refuge or sanctuary for religious freedom in the
world. This is because the constitution of that country
guarantees freedom of religion to people of all faiths.
Ironically America is seen to be a Christian country and
most people believe it always has been. This however is
not a fact.
The United States of America only gradually became a
dominantly Christian country, after its inception. The
founding fathers of that great country were in fact
trying to escape Christian oppression (both Catholic and
Protestant) in Europe and even though many were
Christians themselves, they wanted above all to guarantee
religious freedom to others. They felt that without
freedom of choice a person could not have real faith or
religion - a point that all deep thinkers of our day will
surely concur.
Many of those founding forefathers of America were Deists
and not Christians. Deism is a belief in God based on
reason rather than revelation, that God has set the
universe in motion but does not interfere with how it
runs. These Deists had a great influence over the making
of the United States Constitution, a document considered
to be one of the most enlightened political statements
ever written.
The founders of the United States rarely practiced what
today we might call Christianity. Although they supported
the free exercise of any religion, they understood the
dangers of religion. Most of them believed in Deism, and
many attended Freemasonry lodges. Masonry welcomed anyone
from any religion or non-religion, as long as they
believed in a Supreme Being. Washington, Franklin,
Hancock, Hamilton, and even Lafayette, and many others
accepted the Freemasonry order.
The American forefathers' distain for Christianity, in
uncompromising words, is quite clear from their many
statements and letters.
Thomas Paine (Statesman/Author) states; "Whenever we read
the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the
cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting
vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is
filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the
word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of
wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize
mankind.
"Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the
author, on which only the strange belief that it is the
word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of
Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and
contradictory or invented absurdities, or of downright
lies."
Benjamin Franklin states;"I wish it (Christianity) were
more productive of good works ... I mean real good works
.. not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making
long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments
despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing
the Deity."
"If we look back into history for the character of the
present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that
have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers
of persecution. The primitive Christians thought
persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced
it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of
England blamed persecution in the Romish Church, but
practiced it upon the Puritans. They found it wrong in
Bishops, but fell into the practice themselves both here
(England) and in New England (USA)."
"Some books against Deism fell into my hands. It happened
that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what
was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists,
which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much
stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a
thorough Deist."
Thomas Jefferson (Author of the Declarat ion of
Independence and the Virginia Statute for Religious
Freedom) states;
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the
introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured,
fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch
towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion?
To make one half the world fools, and the other half
hypocrites - to support roguery and error all over the
earth. I do not find in orthodox Christianity one
redeeming feature."
"It has been fifty and sixty years since I read the
Apocalypse (Revelations), and then I considered it merely
the ravings of a maniac."
"I have recently been examining all the known
superstitions of the world, and do not find in our
particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming
feature. They are all alike founded on fables and
mythology."
"We discover in the Gospels a groundwork of vulgar
ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition,
fanaticism and fabrication."
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts
only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury
for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God.
It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies
solely between man and his God, that he owes account to
none other for his faith or his worship, that the
legislative powers of government reach actions only, and
not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that
act of the whole American people which declared that
their legislature should 'make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation
between church and State."
It is interesting to note that in his autobiography
Thomas Jefferson also made a specific mention of the
Hindoo (as well as others), assuring them their religious
freedom in the United States. Jefferson wrote in
reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom as
follows: "Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a
departure from the plan of the holy author of our
religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting 'Jesus
Christ,' so that it would read 'A departure from the plan
of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the
insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof
that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its
protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and
Mohammedan, the Hindoo and infidel of every
denomination." (Merrill D. Peterson, Thomas Jefferson
Writings, Library of America, 1984)
James Madison (Considered the father of the American
Constitution) states;
"Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance
and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of
mischievous projects."
"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep
forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has
soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." (1803
letter objecting to the use of government land for
churches)
John Adams states; "As I understand the Christian
religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it
happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have
been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation
that have made them the most bloody religion that ever
existed?" (letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816)
"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most
fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of
mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what
calamities that engine of grief has produced!" (letter to
Thomas Jefferson)
"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for
absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept
for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole
cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in
Christianity."
"The question before the human race is, whether the God
of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or
whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious
miracles?"
"Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious
frauds (Christianity) that has raged and triumphed for
1,500 years? (Now for 2000 years)"
George Washington the father of the United States was
very private about his beliefs, but it is widely
considered that he was a Deist like his colleagues. He
was a Freemason. Historian Barry Schwartz writes: "George
Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and
superficial because he was not himself a Christian... He
repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he
take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited
for her outside the sanctuary... Even on his deathbed,
Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to
Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His
representative." [New York Press, 1987, pp. 174-175]
Paul F. Boller states in his anthology on George
Washington: "There is no mention of Jesus Christ anywhere
in his extensive correspondence." [Dallas: Southern
Methodist University Press, 1963, pp. 14-15]
After George Washington's death, Dr. Abercrombie, a
friend of his, replied to a Dr. Wilson, who had
interrogated him about Washington's religion, "Sir,
Washington was a Deist." (John E. Remsburg, Six Historic
Americans (New York: Truth Seeker Co.).
End of forwarded message from viji
Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti
Hindu Holocaust Museum
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The truth about Islam and Muslims
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
peace, but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
law.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote
: AMERICAN FOREFATHERS ON CHRISTIANITY
:
: Forwarded message from viji
:
: [ Subject: American forefathers' on Christianity
: [ From: viji
: [ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005
:
: http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0312/ET29-8494.html
:
: The American forefathers' disdain for Christianity, in
: uncompromising words, is quite clear from their many
: statements and letters.
:
: Thomas Paine (Statesman/Author) states; "Whenever we read
: the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the
: cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting
: vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is
: filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the
: word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of
: wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize
: mankind.
:
: "Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the
: author, on which only the strange belief that it is the
: word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of
: Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and
: contradictory or invented absurdities, or of downright
: lies."
:
: EDITORIAL December 29, 2003 VNN8494
:
: The Burning Cross (Part 2)
:
: BY PRADEEP SHARMA
:
: EDITORIAL, Dec 29 (VNN) - Since my last article The
: Burning Cross (part 1) appeared on VNN some readers have
: requested me to write more on the history of Christianity
: in their crusade against Vaishnavism in India and
: elsewhere.
:
: The systematic slander and crusade against Vaishnavism
: seems to have begun immediately after the arrival of the
: Portuguese and Christian (Catholic) missionaries in India
: (Goa/Kerala) almost five centuries ago and has to one
: degree or another persisted up to the present day.
:
: The fall of the Viyajnagar Empire to the Muslim invaders
: shortly after the arrival of the Portuguese in Goa left
: much of the coastal regions in the south without a strong
: Hindu Protector. Thus the Portuguese/Christian conquest
: in Goa went largely unopposed until the British Raja came
: to power in India and the Portuguese military eventually
: withdrew leaving only the Church behind.
:
: The Goan Inquisition was the bloody inauguration of what
: has been a 500 year slander and crusade against
: Vaishnavism, which now reaches many distant corners of
: the world. It is recorded and admitted by 'Saint' Xavier
: (a Jesuit Priest) in his letters that he personally
: insisted that his monarch Dom Joao of Portugal dispatch
: the Inquisition to India. During this time the figure of
: a Vaishnava and their shrines were not so distinguishable
: to the uneducated eye of the Portuguese and so the
: Inquisition focused on Brahmanism in general and not
: particularly on Vaishnavism. After starting the
: Inquisition, Xavier departed for Japan and did not stay
: in Goa to see the bloodshed and suffering that he caused.
:
: Not able to withstand the horrors of the
: Portuguese/Christian conquest in Goa thousands of Gaura
: Saraswata Vaishnava Brahmins made a mass exodus at that
: time and resettled in Dakshin Kanada (Karnataka) to the
: south. These Gaura Saraswata Brahmins from Goa who
: settled in Karnataka were the forefathers of Rupa and
: Sanatana Goswamis.
:
: After sometime the Protestant Churches also joined the
: crusade against everything Indian or Vedic, with a
: particular scorn for Lord Jagannatha at Puri. The
: Protestant Reverends of the times, such as Rev.
:
: Claudius Buchanan (1813), considered Jagannatha as a
: morbid God of death with a bloodthirsty smile. These
: missionaries and Christian travelers in India created a
: gross misrepresentation of the sect of Jagannatha and
: spread their maliciousness throughout the Christian world
: in their writings.
:
: Rev. Claudius Buchanan wrote, From Surat to this place
: (Jagannatha Puri, a distance of not less than 3,000
: kilometers), all the highway was stowed with dead people,
: our noses never free from the stink of them. Women were
: seen to roast their children. A man or woman no sooner
: dead but they were cut in pieces to be eaten.
:
: I have seen Juggernaut. The scene at Bhadrak is but the
: vestibule of Juggernaut. No record of ancient or modern
: history can give, I think, an adequate idea of this
: Valley of Death; it may be truly compared with the Valley
: of Hinnom (a place in Israel where human child sacrifices
: were performed before the god Moloch). The idol called
: Juggernaut has been considered as the Moloch of the
: present age; and he is justly so named, for the
: sacrifices offered up to him by self-devotement are not
: less criminal, perhaps not less numerous, than those
: recorded of the Moloch of Canaan (Canaan was the state
: and Hinnom the city for human child sacrifices).
:
: The senses are assailed by the squalid and ghastly
: appearance of the famished pilgrims; many of whom die in
: the streets of want or disease; while the devotees, with
: clotted hair and painted flesh, are seen practicing their
: various austerities, and modes of self-torture. Persons
: of both sexes, with little regard to concealment, sit
: down on the sands, close to the town in public view; and
: the sacred bulls walk about among them and eat the ordure
: (stool).
:
: The idol is a block of wood, having a frightful visage
: painted black, with a distended mouth of a bloody colour.
: The characteristics of Moloch's worship are obscenity and
: blood. (From the diary of Rev. Claudius Buchanan)
:
: Robert Southey (1809) wrote in Curse of Kehama" (XIV 5) a
: scornful poem about Lord Jagannatha to the delight of his
: Christian readers.
:
: The ponderous car rolls on and crushes all, Through flesh
: and bones it ploughs its dreadful path. Groans rise
: unheard; the dying cry and death and agony. Are trodden
: under foot by your mad throng. Who follow close and
: thrust the deadly wheels along.
:
: The Christian crusade against Jagannatha was summed up by
: J. Peggs in his book A History of the General Baptist
: Mission, London, 1846 as follows.
:
: Juggernaut, the great, the obscene, the bloody
: Juggernaut, must fall; Long perhaps will be the struggle
: and fierce the conflict but he must fall; and the place
: which knows him now will know him no more for ever."
:
: These exaggerated and scornful criticisms of Jagannatha
: were intended to stir the emotions of a Christian
: population in Europe grown complacent to missionary
: activities of the Church. The Church was in need of fresh
: recruits (missionaries) and the obvious financial support
: needed to carry out missionary activities. These scornful
: criticisms were also intended to shame the Hindu
: population.
:
: To this day, missionary activities of the Church are
: still going on in Orrissa aimed at undoing the worship of
: Jagannatha and decrying the Vaishnavas and their creed.
:
: No more clear and unbiased evidence of the Christian
: (Catholic) lack of tolerance and utter hatred for any
: form of religion other than their own is shown in the
: Jesuit Oath. This oath, from 16th century circa, is still
: uttered in Latin by those men who take to the robes of
: the Jesuit order in modern times. The oath clearly
: reveals the evil commitment of their creed and curiously
: enough even mentions India. An excerpt from that oath
: follows.
:
: I do further promise and declare, that I will have no
: opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation
: whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver, but will
: unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may
: receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and
: of Jesus Christ.
:
: That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may
: be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning
: sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India,
: to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild
: haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without
: murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all
: things whatsoever communicated to me.
:
: I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when
: opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war,
: secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and
: Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and
: exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and
: that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that
: I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive
: these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of
: their women and crush their infants' heads against the
: walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable
: race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will
: secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord,
: the steel of the poniard (dagger) or the leaden bullet,
: regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of
: the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in
: life, either public or private, as I at any time may be
: directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of
: the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of
: Jesus.
:
: The Catholic Church and the Protestant Church are indeed
: deeply divided as the above oath clearly suggests. Both
: parties are quick to persecute (kill, murder and torture)
: each other and even members of their own faith, what to
: speak of a person (man, woman, or child) of a foreign
: faith.
:
: We have God to thank for secular governments who
: guarantee freedom of faith; otherwise anyone non-
: Christian in this world would soon be hung, boiled,
: flayed, strangled, buried alive, stomachs and wombs
: ripped up, or have their infants' heads crushed against
: the walls.
:
: This raises a very interesting point. The United States
: of America (a secular government) is perhaps the single
: greatest refuge or sanctuary for religious freedom in the
: world. This is because the constitution of that country
: guarantees freedom of religion to people of all faiths.
: Ironically America is seen to be a Christian country and
: most people believe it always has been. This however is
: not a fact.
:
: The United States of America only gradually became a
: dominantly Christian country, after its inception. The
: founding fathers of that great country were in fact
: trying to escape Christian oppression (both Catholic and
: Protestant) in Europe and even though many were
: Christians themselves, they wanted above all to guarantee
: religious freedom to others. They felt that without
: freedom of choice a person could not have real faith or
: religion - a point that all deep thinkers of our day will
: surely concur.
:
: Many of those founding forefathers of America were Deists
: and not Christians. Deism is a belief in God based on
: reason rather than revelation, that God has set the
: universe in motion but does not interfere with how it
: runs. These Deists had a great influence over the making
: of the United States Constitution, a document considered
: to be one of the most enlightened political statements
: ever written.
:
: The founders of the United States rarely practiced what
: today we might call Christianity. Although they supported
: the free exercise of any religion, they understood the
: dangers of religion. Most of them believed in Deism, and
: many attended Freemasonry lodges. Masonry welcomed anyone
: from any religion or non-religion, as long as they
: believed in a Supreme Being. Washington, Franklin,
: Hancock, Hamilton, and even Lafayette, and many others
: accepted the Freemasonry order.
:
: The American forefathers' distain for Christianity, in
: uncompromising words, is quite clear from their many
: statements and letters.
:
: Thomas Paine (Statesman/Author) states; "Whenever we read
: the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the
: cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting
: vindictiveness, with which more than half of the Bible is
: filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the
: word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of
: wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize
: mankind.
:
: "Take away from Genesis the belief that Moses was the
: author, on which only the strange belief that it is the
: word of God has stood, and there remains nothing of
: Genesis but an anonymous book of stories, fables, and
: contradictory or invented absurdities, or of downright
: lies."
:
: Benjamin Franklin states;"I wish it (Christianity) were
: more productive of good works ... I mean real good works
: . not holy-day keeping, sermon-hearing ... or making
: long prayers, filled with flatteries and compliments
: despised by wise men, and much less capable of pleasing
: the Deity."
:
: "If we look back into history for the character of the
: present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that
: have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers
: of persecution. The primitive Christians thought
: persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practiced
: it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of
: England blamed persecution in the Romish Church, but
: practiced it upon the Puritans. They found it wrong in
: Bishops, but fell into the practice themselves both here
: (England) and in New England (USA)."
:
: "Some books against Deism fell into my hands. It happened
: that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what
: was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists,
: which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much
: stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a
: thorough Deist."
:
: Thomas Jefferson (Author of the Declarat ion of
: Independence and the Virginia Statute for Religious
: Freedom) states;
:
: "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the
: introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured,
: fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch
: towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion?
: To make one half the world fools, and the other half
: hypocrites - to support roguery and error all over the
: earth. I do not find in orthodox Christianity one
: redeeming feature."
:
: "It has been fifty and sixty years since I read the
: Apocalypse (Revelations), and then I considered it merely
: the ravings of a maniac."
:
: "I have recently been examining all the known
: superstitions of the world, and do not find in our
: particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming
: feature. They are all alike founded on fables and
: mythology."
:
: "We discover in the Gospels a groundwork of vulgar
: ignorance, of things impossible, of superstition,
: fanaticism and fabrication."
:
: "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts
: only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury
: for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God.
: It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
:
: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies
: solely between man and his God, that he owes account to
: none other for his faith or his worship, that the
: legislative powers of government reach actions only, and
: not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that
: act of the whole American people which declared that
: their legislature should 'make no law respecting an
: establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free
: exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation
: between church and State."
:
: It is interesting to note that in his autobiography
: Thomas Jefferson also made a specific mention of the
: Hindoo (as well as others), assuring them their religious
: freedom in the United States. Jefferson wrote in
: reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom as
: follows: "Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a
: departure from the plan of the holy author of our
: religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting 'Jesus
: Christ,' so that it would read 'A departure from the plan
: of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;' the
: insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof
: that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its
: protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and
: Mohammedan, the Hindoo and infidel of every
: denomination." (Merrill D. Peterson, Thomas Jefferson
: Writings, Library of America, 1984)
:
: James Madison (Considered the father of the American
: Constitution) states;
:
: "Ecclesiastical establishments tend to great ignorance
: and corruption, all of which facilitate the execution of
: mischievous projects."
:
: "The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep
: forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has
: soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries." (1803
: letter objecting to the use of government land for
: churches)
:
: John Adams states; "As I understand the Christian
: religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it
: happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have
: been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation
: that have made them the most bloody religion that ever
: existed?" (letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816)
:
: "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most
: fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of
: mankind has preserved-- the Cross. Consider what
: calamities that engine of grief has produced!" (letter to
: Thomas Jefferson)
:
: "The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for
: absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept
: for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole
: cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in
: Christianity."
:
: "The question before the human race is, whether the God
: of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or
: whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious
: miracles?"
:
: "Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious
: frauds (Christianity) that has raged and triumphed for
: 1,500 years? (Now for 2000 years)"
:
: George Washington the father of the United States was
: very private about his beliefs, but it is widely
: considered that he was a Deist like his colleagues. He
: was a Freemason. Historian Barry Schwartz writes: "George
: Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and
: superficial because he was not himself a Christian... He
: repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he
: take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited
: for her outside the sanctuary... Even on his deathbed,
: Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to
: Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His
: representative." [New York Press, 1987, pp. 174-175]
:
: Paul F. Boller states in his anthology on George
: Washington: "There is no mention of Jesus Christ anywhere
: in his extensive correspondence." [Dallas: Southern
: Methodist University Press, 1963, pp. 14-15]
:
: After George Washington's death, Dr. Abercrombie, a
: friend of his, replied to a Dr. Wilson, who had
: interrogated him about Washington's religion, "Sir,
: Washington was a Deist." (John E. Remsburg, Six Historic
: Americans (New York: Truth Seeker Co.).
:
: End of forwarded message from viji
:
: Jai Maharaj
: http://www.mantra.com/jai
: Om Shanti
:
: Hindu Holocaust Museum
: http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
:
: Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
: http://www.hindu.org
: http://www.hindunet.org
:
: The truth about Islam and Muslims
: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
:
: The terrorist mission of Jesus stated in the Christian bible:
:
: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not so send
: peace, but a sword.
: "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the
: daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in
: law.
: "And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
: - Matthew 10:34-36.
:
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(Dr. Jai Maharaj) suddenly spluttered:
Forwarded message posted for discussion
America is Not a Christian Nation
Thursday, May 15, 2003
There's nothing like a fresh look at a subject, and.....
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
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