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11 Oct 2007 04:09:38 PM |
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America will Collapse like the Roman Empire |
U.S. Senate Chaplain Urges Spiritual Solutions to Social Problems
U.S. Senate Chaplain Barry Clayton Black delivers the morning's keynote
address during the 2007 Montana Faith Community Impact Summit at the
Flathead Valley Community College.
Black, who visited Glacier National Park for the first time the previous
day, gestured out the window, praising fall in the Flathead.
³I havenıt seen colors like this outside of a Monet painting,² Black said.
³Some of this yellow is just off the chain, as they say in my
neighborhood.²
Black, a former Navy admiral, went on to describe American freedom as ³a
flickering flame,² a fragile but carefully tended idea about basic human
rights ³that needs to be guarded.²
³While our founders intended a separation of church and state, they never
intended a separation of God and state,² Black said. ³There is a spiritual
dimension to who we are and what we are about.²
Black warned that historically great civilizations, like the Babylonians
and Romans, ³did not so much explode and implode.² He listed pointed
similarities between the fall of the Roman empire and present day America,
including a decline in religion, an erosion of family bonds, an obsession
with frivolous sports and a government that devotes excessive amounts of
revenue to the military and armaments.
³Ladies and gentlemen the parallels are frightening,² Black said. ³Sin is
an equal opportunity destroyer; sin donıt care that your name is America.²
But Blackıs overall message was one of optimism that the summit could,
through a spiritual perspective, brainstorm solutions to issues facing
Montana.
³Thatıs why weıre here,² he said, ³to cooperate with divinity in solving
the problems of our time.²
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: America will Collapse like the Roman Empire |
11 Oct 2007 06:15:54 PM |
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<snip>
Black warned that historically great civilizations, like the Babylonians
and Romans, =B3did not so much explode and implode.=B2
No, they became weakened, and were then destroyed by wave after wave
after wave after wave of attackers, it's a little different.
He listed pointed
similarities between the fall of the Roman empire and present day America,
including a decline in religion,
Decline? As Rome began to crumble they became more and more religious.
It did them no good
an erosion of family bonds, an obsession
with frivolous sports and a government that devotes excessive amounts of
revenue to the military and armaments.
Better roman military organisation (fighting by dedicated citizens
rather tha paid mercenaries) would have helped Rome no end.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil
and General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist, BAAWA Lowly Evilmeister and tamer of the Demon Duck
of Doom
Convicted by Earthquack
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: America will Collapse like the Roman Empire |
12 Oct 2007 11:02:38 AM |
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On Oct 11, 7:15 pm, Lucifer <wyrdol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
Black warned that historically great civilizations, like the Babylonians
and Romans, =B3did not so much explode and implode.=B2
No, they became weakened, and were then destroyed by wave after wave
after wave after wave of attackers, it's a little different.
He listed pointed
similarities between the fall of the Roman empire and present day Ameri=
ca,
including a decline in religion,
Decline? As Rome began to crumble they became more and more religious.
It did them no good
A study of the period known as "late antiquity" confrms this. Also
notable is the decline occured at roughly the same time Rome turned
away from a pluralistic pagan relgious model to Christianity only
relgious model. Everyone who isn't a Christian is an enemy, and those
that do not agree with the model of Christianity that the Empire
approves of, is an enemy. So Increased religousness, and intolerance
were the 'new way' about 80 years before the end of the Roman Empire.
Hatter
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: America will Collapse like the Roman Empire |
12 Oct 2007 10:30:40 AM |
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"Jason" <Jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Jason-1110071409380001@66-53-217-183.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com...
U.S. Senate Chaplain Urges Spiritual Solutions to Social Problems
Idiot.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: America will Collapse like the Roman Empire |
13 Oct 2007 02:33:56 AM |
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In article
<Jason-1110071409380001@66-53-217-183.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
(Jason) wrote:
U.S. Senate Chaplain Urges Spiritual Solutions to Social Problems
Which have always failed.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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13 Oct 2007 05:06:22 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:33:56 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article
<Jason-1110071409380001@66-53-217-183.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
U.S. Senate Chaplain Urges Spiritual Solutions to Social Problems
Which have always failed.
They have always made any problem vastly worse.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: America will Collapse like the Roman Empire |
13 Oct 2007 11:57:23 PM |
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In article <dag2h310fk0kclfbco3m2sitoqul9i4h16@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 00:33:56 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote:
In article
<Jason-1110071409380001@66-53-217-183.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Jason@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
U.S. Senate Chaplain Urges Spiritual Solutions to Social Problems
Which have always failed.
They have always made any problem vastly worse.
Invariably.
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: America will Collapse like the Roman Empire |
11 Oct 2007 04:46:42 PM |
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In article <Jason-1110071409380001@66-53-217-183.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> (Jason) writes:
Collapse like the Roman Empire? What, it'll take a thousan
years-plus?
I can live with that.
-- cary
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| User: "Mike" |
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11 Oct 2007 07:55:19 PM |
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On Oct 11, 5:46 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <Jason-1110071409380...@66-53-217-183.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> (Jason) writes:
Collapse like the Roman Empire? What, it'll take a thousan
years-plus?
I can live with that.
Oh no! I thought the US of A would exist as a political entity in its
current form for all eternity!!!
Amusing trivia: Back in the 70s when there was a lot of sentiment
against nuclear power, some jackass from the Atomic Regulatory
Commission said with a straight face that there is no need to worry
about the nuclear waste produced by power plants, because the ARC
promises to carefully safeguard the material for the next 160 thousand
years until it is safe. :)
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: America will Collapse like the Roman Empire |
11 Oct 2007 08:32:52 PM |
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In article <1192150519.720592.101950@e34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> Mike <matmzc@hofstra.edu> writes:
On Oct 11, 5:46 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <Jason-1110071409380...@66-53-217-183.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com> (Jason) writes:
Collapse like the Roman Empire? What, it'll take a thousan
years-plus?
I can live with that.
Oh no! I thought the US of A would exist as a political entity in its
current form for all eternity!!!
um...could the football team evolve, at least?
Amusing trivia: Back in the 70s when there was a lot of sentiment
against nuclear power, some jackass from the Atomic Regulatory
Commission said with a straight face that there is no need to worry
about the nuclear waste produced by power plants, because the ARC
promises to carefully safeguard the material for the next 160 thousand
years until it is safe. :)
Whoa. I've got this futuristic Clan of the Arc Warrior Monks
flash going, millennia since they understood why, but knowing
only that the Sacred Slag Heap must be guarded from all
that walks, flies, or crawls.
-- cary
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| User: "Bill Dukenfield" |
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| Title: Re: America will Collapse like the Roman Empire |
11 Oct 2007 04:33:41 PM |
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Jason wrote:
U.S. Senate Chaplain Urges Spiritual Solutions to Social Problems
U.S. Senate Chaplain Barry Clayton Black delivers the morning's keynote
address during the 2007 Montana Faith Community Impact Summit at the
Flathead Valley Community College.
Black, who visited Glacier National Park for the first time the previous
day, gestured out the window, praising fall in the Flathead.
³I havenıt seen colors like this outside of a Monet painting,² Black said.
³Some of this yellow is just off the chain, as they say in my
neighborhood.²
Black, a former Navy admiral, went on to describe American freedom as ³a
flickering flame,² a fragile but carefully tended idea about basic human
rights ³that needs to be guarded.²
³While our founders intended a separation of church and state, they never
intended a separation of God and state,² Black said. ³There is a spiritual
dimension to who we are and what we are about.²
Black warned that historically great civilizations, like the Babylonians
and Romans, ³did not so much explode and implode.² He listed pointed
similarities between the fall of the Roman empire and present day America,
including a decline in religion, an erosion of family bonds, an obsession
with frivolous sports and a government that devotes excessive amounts of
revenue to the military and armaments.
All this happened while Christianity was the state religion of the Roman
Empire.
³Ladies and gentlemen the parallels are frightening,² Black said. ³Sin is
an equal opportunity destroyer; sin donıt care that your name is America.²
But Blackıs overall message was one of optimism that the summit could,
through a spiritual perspective, brainstorm solutions to issues facing
Montana.
³Thatıs why weıre here,² he said, ³to cooperate with divinity in solving
the problems of our time.²
And this is what was done during the rise of the Roman Empire. The
religion at that time was what we now call Pagan.
JAM
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: America will Collapse like the Roman Empire |
11 Oct 2007 08:23:49 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:09:38 -0700, Jason wrote:
Black warned that historically great civilizations, like the Babylonians
and Romans, did not so much explode and implode. He listed pointed
similarities between the fall of the Roman empire and present day
America, including a decline in religion
See what happens when you ***** of Zeus?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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âThere's really no point to voting. If it made any
difference, it would probably be illegalâ
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: America will Collapse like the Roman Empire |
11 Oct 2007 07:47:38 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, (Jason) bloodied us up with
this:
U.S. Senate Chaplain Urges Spiritual Solutions to Social Problems
No wonder those problems won't go away.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
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