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"Larry Mundinger" |
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08 Dec 2003 08:35:10 PM |
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American Atheists Media Alert! |
American Atheists Media Alert!
ELLEN JOHNSON ON FOXNEWS CHANNEL TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9, 2003
'Tis The Season -- Should Christmas Trees Be Taken Down?
Ellen Johnson, President of American Atheists will be a guest live on
FoxNews Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at approximately 10:30 AM ET.
At issue will the constitutionality of celebrating "Christmas," and the flap
over an incident at the Indiana University School of Law where a 12-foot
high Christmas tree has been removed following complaints that it was a
religious display.
Check local listings.
WHO & WHAT: Ellen Johnson, President of American Atheists live on FoxNews
Channel, discussing the First Amendment and the celebration of "Christmas"
WHEN: Tomorrow, Tuesday, December 9, 2003 -- scheduled air time
approximately 10:30 AM ET -- check local listings.
MORE INFO: http://www.foxnews.com
For more background, visit http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/xmas2.htm
("'Tis the season for disputes over Christmas, State-Church separation")
AMERICAN ATHEISTS is a nationwide movement that defends civil rights for
nonbelievers; works for the total separation of church and state; and
addresses issues of First Amendment public policy.
--
Larry Mundinger (aa#451)
American Atheists Internet Representative <irep @ atheists.org>
<http://www.atheists.org/> <http://www.americanatheist.org/>
<http://www.atheistviewpoint.tv/>
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| User: "Peacenik" |
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| Title: Re: American Atheists Media Alert! |
11 Dec 2003 11:34:16 AM |
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"Larry Mundinger" <see.below@signature.org> wrote in message
news:uwaBb.682$hv2.303@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
American Atheists Media Alert!
ELLEN JOHNSON ON FOXNEWS CHANNEL TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9, 2003
'Tis The Season -- Should Christmas Trees Be Taken Down?
Ellen Johnson, President of American Atheists will be a guest live on
FoxNews Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at approximately 10:30 AM ET.
At issue will the constitutionality of celebrating "Christmas," and the
flap
over an incident at the Indiana University School of Law where a 12-foot
high Christmas tree has been removed following complaints that it was a
religious display.
As an atheist who celebrates Christmas in a purely non-religious way, I see
nothing wrong with a Christmas tree. It is not more a religious symbol than
a Vanentine's Day heart-shaped chocolate box, or a Thanksgiving turkey.
Christmas, like Halloween, may have its roots in religion, but I consider it
(as I do Halloween) a secular holiday, open to participation for anyone, not
just Christians. It's a time for friends and families to get together,
exchange gifts, eat and drink, and enjoy each other's company.
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Peacenik
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: American Atheists Media Alert! |
09 Dec 2003 04:05:55 AM |
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In article <uwaBb.682$hv2.303@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
Larry Mundinger <see.below@signature.org> wrote:
American Atheists Media Alert!
ELLEN JOHNSON ON FOXNEWS CHANNEL TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9, 2003
'Tis The Season -- Should Christmas Trees Be Taken Down?
Ellen Johnson, President of American Atheists will be a guest live on
FoxNews Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at approximately 10:30 AM ET.
At issue will the constitutionality of celebrating "Christmas," and the flap
over an incident at the Indiana University School of Law where a 12-foot
high Christmas tree has been removed following complaints that it was a
religious display.
Check local listings.
Huh. Fox News. Good one. More like Fox "bring in an atheist and ask her
whether she's stopped eating babies". Let us know when she gets on a
*serious* news show. Thanks.
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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| Title: Re: American Atheists Media Alert! |
08 Dec 2003 09:01:00 PM |
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On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:35:10 -0500, Larry Mundinger
<see.below@signature.org> wrote:
American Atheists Media Alert!
ELLEN JOHNSON ON FOXNEWS CHANNEL TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9, 2003
'Tis The Season -- Should Christmas Trees Be Taken Down?
Ellen Johnson, President of American Atheists will be a guest live on
FoxNews Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at approximately 10:30 AM ET.
At issue will the constitutionality of celebrating "Christmas," and the flap
over an incident at the Indiana University School of Law where a 12-foot
high Christmas tree has been removed following complaints that it was a
religious display.
Check local listings.
WHO & WHAT: Ellen Johnson, President of American Atheists live on FoxNews
Channel, discussing the First Amendment and the celebration of "Christmas"
WHEN: Tomorrow, Tuesday, December 9, 2003 -- scheduled air time
approximately 10:30 AM ET -- check local listings.
MORE INFO: http://www.foxnews.com
For more background, visit http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/xmas2.htm
("'Tis the season for disputes over Christmas, State-Church separation")
AMERICAN ATHEISTS is a nationwide movement that defends civil rights for
nonbelievers; works for the total separation of church and state; and
addresses issues of First Amendment public policy.
I have to admit ignorance on the religious significance of the
christmas tree. Can anyone explian this to me?
Foe me it, the tree, was the first step towards atheism. The day I
realized there was no Santa Claus was the day I began to question
everything. Not that I ever looked at a christmas tree as a youngster
with anything slightly religious in my heart, I just anticipated all
the presents I would receive. Once I knew it was Mom and Dad all
those religious symbols like the angel and atar on top themselve began
to be questioned and ultimately became meaningless to me.
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aa#2106
Remove Belief to reply
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: American Atheists Media Alert! |
09 Dec 2003 08:21:11 AM |
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AngryJohn wrote:
On Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:35:10 -0500, Larry Mundinger
<see.below@signature.org> wrote:
American Atheists Media Alert!
ELLEN JOHNSON ON FOXNEWS CHANNEL TUESDAY, DECEMBER 9, 2003
'Tis The Season -- Should Christmas Trees Be Taken Down?
Ellen Johnson, President of American Atheists will be a guest live on
FoxNews Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at approximately 10:30 AM ET.
At issue will the constitutionality of celebrating "Christmas," and the flap
over an incident at the Indiana University School of Law where a 12-foot
high Christmas tree has been removed following complaints that it was a
religious display.
Check local listings.
WHO & WHAT: Ellen Johnson, President of American Atheists live on FoxNews
Channel, discussing the First Amendment and the celebration of "Christmas"
WHEN: Tomorrow, Tuesday, December 9, 2003 -- scheduled air time
approximately 10:30 AM ET -- check local listings.
MORE INFO: http://www.foxnews.com
For more background, visit http://www.atheists.org/flash.line/xmas2.htm
("'Tis the season for disputes over Christmas, State-Church separation")
AMERICAN ATHEISTS is a nationwide movement that defends civil rights for
nonbelievers; works for the total separation of church and state; and
addresses issues of First Amendment public policy.
I have to admit ignorance on the religious significance of the
christmas tree. Can anyone explian this to me?
"Christmas" trees are a remnant of Teutonic tree-worship.
Following the ancient and well-respected technique of co-opting pagan ceremonies
to convert the heathen, some missionary-bishop (several are given credit) talked
many tribes of Germans in to giving up Odin's oak and Thor's ash in favor of
Christ's fir (evergreen = everlasting life, donchaknow.) The custom of decorating
sacred trees after the harvest was moved to Christmas. It remained a rural folk
custom until Queen Victoria and Prince Albert (himself German) brought the
tradition to England; it became part of Dickens lore and the rest is history.
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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