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Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"R. Pierce Butler" |
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28 Apr 2006 12:25:32 AM |
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American Community Survey |
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census Bureau?
I love the notice on the front stating that refusing to asnwer could result
in a fine.
This is the most flagrant attempt of violating my privacy to date.
Where are we? The USSA?
I knew these assholes would come up with some kind of ***** after 9-11
but this is ridiculous. What kind of vehicle did I drive to work? I drove
a fucking donkey and had people waving palm branches to keep me cool during
my journey.
This really pisses me off.
No, I will NOT fill out the survey nor will I anwser ANY questions. They
can see my attorney if they have questions.
I think that is one way to keep those people away.
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Census Bureau Weenie (CBW): "I am from the Census Bureau and I need to ask
you some questions."
Me: "I can not and will not answer any questions unless my lawyer is
present" (#1 NO - simple and straight- no fancy words just facts)
CBW: "We don't need your lawyer. I just want to know how many people live
here"
Me: "Let me say this one more time. I will not answer any questions unless
my attorney is present" (#2 NO - This ***** doesn't understand english -
he talks it though)
BCW" "All I need is your name"
Me: "My attorney said he would not represent or defend me in ANY matter
whatsoever if I answered *ANY* question at all. Would you like my
attorney's name and number so that you can call him and set up an
appontment?" (This is time #3 that I tell him "NO". This takes a special
kind of *****)
CBW: "But, but..."
Me: "Sorry. No attorney. No talkie!"
CBW: You could be fined if you don't answer the questions."
Me: "Is there a sign in front of my house?" (Here is where I start to
change the subject a little - ala Pulp Fiction If he or she is white then
I might drop the "N" bomb.)
CBW: "What?"
Me: "Is there a sign in front of my house that says "Attorney Storage"?
CBW: "Uhhh no"
Me: "How about "Dead N.... Storage"? Is there a sign out there that says
"Dead N..... Storage? (That should jog his memory. Maybe he will recall
the ball gag scene from Pulp Fiction. If not, he *will* recall poor Marvis
brains splattered all over and how Jules and Vincent had to clean it all up
with the aid of "The Wolf")
CBW: "No"
Me: "Then why the ***** are you standing there and asking me questions when
I have told you 4 times that I won't answer them?"
CBW: "Goodbye and have a nice day"
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I love my African America brothers. They have such a way with words and
they have such an uncanny ability to express themselves so eloquently and
with such panache. Just like the fellow at
http://www.fazed.org/video/?id=274
"cut that ***** off!"
R. Pierce Butler
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 03:51:45 AM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any given
area of your country!
The nerve!
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 10:18:10 AM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
And how many bathrooms you have, if you have problems walking stairs, if you
received welfare, if you have indoor plumbing, how much it cost to heat your
residence, if you have a second mortgage, how much your house insurance is,
if you are blind, deaf, etc, were you laid off last week, and lots more.
Screw that.
This is NOT a census. It is a survey. To date not one person has been fined
and even if they do fine me, I will pay the $100.00 to maintain my privacy.
pierce
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 12:38:07 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, R. Pierce Butler in episode
<Xns97B368CCDD50Cmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
And how many bathrooms you have, if you have problems walking stairs, if
you received welfare, if you have indoor plumbing, how much it cost to
heat your residence, if you have a second mortgage, how much your house
insurance is, if you are blind, deaf, etc, were you laid off last week,
and lots more.
Screw that.
This is NOT a census. It is a survey. To date not one person has been
fined and even if they do fine me, I will pay the $100.00 to maintain my
privacy.
If they send me one, I'm going to answer. Just not the *right answers...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"
(Took them long enough)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 01:49:32 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in news:ov2dnT8zNLViz8
_ZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@megapath.net:
Previously, on alt.atheism, R. Pierce Butler in episode
<Xns97B368CCDD50Cmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
And how many bathrooms you have, if you have problems walking stairs, if
you received welfare, if you have indoor plumbing, how much it cost to
heat your residence, if you have a second mortgage, how much your house
insurance is, if you are blind, deaf, etc, were you laid off last week,
and lots more.
Screw that.
This is NOT a census. It is a survey. To date not one person has been
fined and even if they do fine me, I will pay the $100.00 to maintain my
privacy.
If they send me one, I'm going to answer. Just not the *right answers...
Lying is perjury. That is real bad news.
Don't do it.
pierce
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 05:21:12 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, R. Pierce Butler in episode
<Xns97B38CA40B07Bmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>...
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in news:ov2dnT8zNLViz8
_ZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@megapath.net:
Previously, on alt.atheism, R. Pierce Butler in episode
<Xns97B368CCDD50Cmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
And how many bathrooms you have, if you have problems walking stairs,
if you received welfare, if you have indoor plumbing, how much it cost
to heat your residence, if you have a second mortgage, how much your
house insurance is, if you are blind, deaf, etc, were you laid off last
week, and lots more.
Screw that.
This is NOT a census. It is a survey. To date not one person has been
fined and even if they do fine me, I will pay the $100.00 to maintain
my privacy.
If they send me one, I'm going to answer. Just not the *right answers...
Lying is perjury. That is real bad news.
Don't do it.
No, perjury is lying under oath. Not to mention, how would they do an
audit? They'd have to get a judge to issue a warrant to come in the house
and count my toilets. <g>
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"
(Took them long enough)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 03:38:56 PM |
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R. Pierce Butler wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
And how many bathrooms you have, if you have problems walking stairs,
if you received welfare, if you have indoor plumbing, how much it
cost to heat your residence, if you have a second mortgage, how much
your house insurance is, if you are blind, deaf, etc, were you laid
off last week, and lots more.
Screw that.
Far be it for a government to be interested in information about plumbing,
fuel costs, income, and health care. Why not just make guesses and spend
money based on those guesses in nice places.
They might want to actually use that information to provide for the people
they serve.
(PG&E did such a survey over ten years ago here and the result was since
more than half of the town was below the poverty level, the entire town
received upgraded insulation in ceilings and a number of other cost saving
devices.)
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 04:31:41 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:A3v4g.63579$_S7.13711@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:
R. Pierce Butler wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
And how many bathrooms you have, if you have problems walking stairs,
if you received welfare, if you have indoor plumbing, how much it
cost to heat your residence, if you have a second mortgage, how much
your house insurance is, if you are blind, deaf, etc, were you laid
off last week, and lots more.
Screw that.
Far be it for a government to be interested in information about
plumbing,
fuel costs, income, and health care. Why not just make guesses and spend
money based on those guesses in nice places.
They might want to actually use that information to provide for the
people they serve.
(PG&E did such a survey over ten years ago here and the result was since
more than half of the town was below the poverty level, the entire town
received upgraded insulation in ceilings and a number of other cost
saving devices.)
That will never happen here. They would have to burn down all but 3 houses
in the town before we reach anything close to poverty level.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 07:51:09 AM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
wait until you see the survey.
They actually ask you how much money you make, how many cars you have and
lots more.
.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 07:55:51 AM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B34FE1B1D30mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
wait until you see the survey.
They actually ask you how much money you make, how many cars you have and
lots more.
Yes......we call that a census
We have one every 10 years.
although to be fair they don't fine you for not filling it in.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 08:05:45 AM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in news:PcidnUvJiJZKjc_ZRVnyiA@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B34FE1B1D30mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
wait until you see the survey.
They actually ask you how much money you make, how many cars you have
and lots more.
Yes......we call that a census
We have one every 10 years.
although to be fair they don't fine you for not filling it in.
Read the survey. This is not a census!!!
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/SQuest03.pdf
The questions are both ludicrous and insulting. The survey asks, for
instance, how many bathrooms you have in your house, how many miles
you drive to work, how many days you were sick last year, and whether
you have trouble getting up stairs. It goes on and on, mixing inane
questions with highly detailed inquiries about your financial affairs.
One can only imagine the countless malevolent ways our federal
bureaucrats could use this information. At the very least the survey
will be used to dole out pork, which is reason enough to oppose it.
.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 08:28:41 AM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3525A7FF5Bmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in news:PcidnUvJiJZKjc_ZRVnyiA@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B34FE1B1D30mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
wait until you see the survey.
They actually ask you how much money you make, how many cars you have
and lots more.
Yes......we call that a census
We have one every 10 years.
although to be fair they don't fine you for not filling it in.
Read the survey. This is not a census!!!
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/SQuest03.pdf
The questions are both ludicrous and insulting. The survey asks, for
instance, how many bathrooms you have in your house, how many miles
you drive to work, how many days you were sick last year, and whether
you have trouble getting up stairs. It goes on and on, mixing inane
questions with highly detailed inquiries about your financial affairs.
One can only imagine the countless malevolent ways our federal
bureaucrats could use this information. At the very least the survey
will be used to dole out pork, which is reason enough to oppose it.
You win
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pdfs/H1.pdf
Ours doesn't ask for any kind of financial information that I can see.
Are there many people in your country without indoor plumbing?
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 10:22:18 AM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in news:sp6dncCgxsMUhc_ZRVnyqQ@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3525A7FF5Bmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B34FE1B1D30mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in
any given area of your country!
The nerve!
wait until you see the survey.
They actually ask you how much money you make, how many cars you have
and lots more.
Yes......we call that a census
We have one every 10 years.
although to be fair they don't fine you for not filling it in.
Read the survey. This is not a census!!!
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/SQuest03.pdf
The questions are both ludicrous and insulting. The survey asks, for
instance, how many bathrooms you have in your house, how many miles
you drive to work, how many days you were sick last year, and
whether you have trouble getting up stairs. It goes on and on,
mixing inane questions with highly detailed inquiries about your
financial affairs. One can only imagine the countless malevolent
ways our federal bureaucrats could use this information. At the very
least the survey will be used to dole out pork, which is reason
enough to oppose it.
You win
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pdfs/H1.pdf
Ours doesn't ask for any kind of financial information that I can see.
Are there many people in your country without indoor plumbing?
There are some people allegedly, but I don't know of any nor have I ever
met anyone that didn't have indoor plumbing. I used to know of one place
in Joliet, Illinois that didn't have sewers but they had indoor plumbing.
That was many years ago and you didn't go into that neighborhood if you
were white. They people that lived there didn't like white people.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 11:24:48 AM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in news:sp6dncCgxsMUhc_ZRVnyqQ@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3525A7FF5Bmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B34FE1B1D30mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in
any given area of your country!
The nerve!
wait until you see the survey.
They actually ask you how much money you make, how many cars you have
and lots more.
Yes......we call that a census
We have one every 10 years.
although to be fair they don't fine you for not filling it in.
Read the survey. This is not a census!!!
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/SQuest03.pdf
The questions are both ludicrous and insulting. The survey asks, for
instance, how many bathrooms you have in your house, how many miles
you drive to work, how many days you were sick last year, and
whether you have trouble getting up stairs. It goes on and on,
mixing inane questions with highly detailed inquiries about your
financial affairs. One can only imagine the countless malevolent
ways our federal bureaucrats could use this information. At the very
least the survey will be used to dole out pork, which is reason
enough to oppose it.
You win
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pdfs/H1.pdf
Ours doesn't ask for any kind of financial information that I can see.
Are there many people in your country without indoor plumbing?
There are some people allegedly, but I don't know of any nor have I ever
met anyone that didn't have indoor plumbing. I used to know of one place
in Joliet, Illinois that didn't have sewers but they had indoor plumbing.
That was many years ago and you didn't go into that neighborhood if you
were white. They people that lived there didn't like white people.
I just wondered as they specifically made it a question.
I think there might be some elderly people in deepest darkest rural
Ireland/Northern Ireland without indoor plumbing - although Im not entirely
sure.
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 11:40:12 AM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in news:UdSdnbzARe1N3M_ZRVnyrA@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B369813B825mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3525A7FF5Bmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the
Census Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in
any given area of your country!
The nerve!
wait until you see the survey.
They actually ask you how much money you make, how many cars you
have and lots more.
Yes......we call that a census
We have one every 10 years.
although to be fair they don't fine you for not filling it in.
Read the survey. This is not a census!!!
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/SQuest03.pdf
The questions are both ludicrous and insulting. The survey asks,
for instance, how many bathrooms you have in your house, how many
miles you drive to work, how many days you were sick last year,
and whether you have trouble getting up stairs. It goes on and on,
mixing inane questions with highly detailed inquiries about your
financial affairs. One can only imagine the countless malevolent
ways our federal bureaucrats could use this information. At the
very least the survey will be used to dole out pork, which is
reason enough to oppose it.
You win
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pdfs/H1.pdf
Ours doesn't ask for any kind of financial information that I can see.
Are there many people in your country without indoor plumbing?
There are some people allegedly, but I don't know of any nor have I
ever met anyone that didn't have indoor plumbing. I used to know of
one place in Joliet, Illinois that didn't have sewers but they had
indoor plumbing. That was many years ago and you didn't go into that
neighborhood if you were white. They people that lived there didn't
like white people.
I just wondered as they specifically made it a question.
I think there might be some elderly people in deepest darkest rural
Ireland/Northern Ireland without indoor plumbing - although Im not
entirely sure.
While the toilet is a British invention, it has proven exceedingly popular
here in the colonies! ):>)
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01 May 2006 05:33:20 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:28:41 +0100, "kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3525A7FF5Bmc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in news:PcidnUvJiJZKjc_ZRVnyiA@bt.com:
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Are there many people in your country without indoor plumbing?
Some. And there's a group within some 60 miles of Wash. D.C. where very
large McMansions are being constructed not even a half mile away which
is all in a very wealthy county. But since these people are poor and
have dark skin that's 'ok.'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Emmanual Kann" |
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02 May 2006 09:45:05 AM |
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An Mon, 01 May 2006 15:33:20 -0700, stoney hat geschreibt:
Are there many people in your country without indoor plumbing?
Some. And there's a group within some 60 miles of Wash. D.C. where very
large McMansions are being constructed not even a half mile away which
is all in a very wealthy county. But since these people are poor and
have dark skin that's 'ok.'
Color isn't the primary determination of whether you have water or not.
Water is a rural poor problem. In the south, where DC is, this may be
dark people. But other parts of the country it is a poor white problem.
Do you really think that the owners of the McMansions care about the skin
color of those they trod on? They are poor and that's 'OK'.
Plumbing
101,367,000 With all plumbing facilities
Lacking some or all plumbing
1,436,000 facilities 1/
319,000 No hot piped water
316,000 No bathtub and no shower
293,000 No flush toilet
1,065,000 No exclusive use
Primary Source of Water
89,942,000 Public system or private company
12,400,000 Well serving 1 to 5 units
10,774,000 Drilled
1,078,000 Dug
548,000 Not reported
460,000 Other
Safety of Primary Source of Water
102,773,000 Selected primary water sources2/
91,433,000 Safe to drink
9,997,000 Not safe to drink
1,342,000 Safety not reported
Source of Drinking Water
9,997,000 Primary source not safe to drink
1,979,000 Drinking and primary water source the same
1,912,000 Public or private system
56,000 Individual well
- Spring
- Cistern
1,000 Stream or lake
10,000 Other
8,000,000 Drinking and primary water source
different
16,000 Public or private system
48,000 Individual well
188,000 Spring
17,000 Cistern
17,000 Stream or lake
6,045,000 Commercial bottled water
1,668,000 Other
18,000 Source of drinking water not reported
Means of Sewage Disposal
79,959,000 Public sewer
22,753,000 Septic tank, cesspool, chemical toilet
90,000 Other
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| User: "stoney" |
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02 May 2006 09:52:56 PM |
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On Tue, 02 May 2006 14:45:05 GMT, Emmanual Kann <kann@keinspam.de> wrote
in alt.atheism
An Mon, 01 May 2006 15:33:20 -0700, stoney hat geschreibt:
Are there many people in your country without indoor plumbing?
Some. And there's a group within some 60 miles of Wash. D.C. where very
large McMansions are being constructed not even a half mile away which
is all in a very wealthy county. But since these people are poor and
have dark skin that's 'ok.'
Color isn't the primary determination of whether you have water or not.
Water is a rural poor problem. In the south, where DC is, this may be
dark people. But other parts of the country it is a poor white problem.
Sure. Other parts of the country. This group happens to be as I
indicated.
Do you really think that the owners of the McMansions care about the skin
color of those they trod on?
Of course not.
They are poor and that's 'OK'.
Plumbing
101,367,000 With all plumbing facilities
Lacking some or all plumbing
1,436,000 facilities 1/
319,000 No hot piped water
316,000 No bathtub and no shower
293,000 No flush toilet
1,065,000 No exclusive use
Primary Source of Water
89,942,000 Public system or private company
12,400,000 Well serving 1 to 5 units
10,774,000 Drilled
1,078,000 Dug
548,000 Not reported
460,000 Other
Safety of Primary Source of Water
102,773,000 Selected primary water sources2/
91,433,000 Safe to drink
9,997,000 Not safe to drink
1,342,000 Safety not reported
Source of Drinking Water
9,997,000 Primary source not safe to drink
1,979,000 Drinking and primary water source the same
1,912,000 Public or private system
56,000 Individual well
- Spring
- Cistern
1,000 Stream or lake
10,000 Other
8,000,000 Drinking and primary water source
different
16,000 Public or private system
48,000 Individual well
188,000 Spring
17,000 Cistern
17,000 Stream or lake
6,045,000 Commercial bottled water
1,668,000 Other
18,000 Source of drinking water not reported
Means of Sewage Disposal
79,959,000 Public sewer
22,753,000 Septic tank, cesspool, chemical toilet
90,000 Other
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Craig Pennington" |
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28 Apr 2006 06:37:25 PM |
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kathryn <nospam@here.com> wrote:
[snip]
Are there many people in your country without indoor plumbing?
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/DTTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=01000US&-ds_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U&-_lang=en&-mt_name=DEC_2000_SF3_U_H022&-format=&-CONTEXT=dt
U.S. Census Bureau
Census 2000
H22. TENURE BY PLUMBING FACILITIES BY OCCUPANTS PER ROOM [19] - Universe: Occupied housing units
Data Set: Census 2000 Summary File 3 (SF 3) - Sample Data
Total: 105,480,101
Owner occupied: 69,816,513
Complete plumbing facilities: 69,487,653
Lacking complete plumbing facilities: 328,860
Renter occupied: 35,663,588
Complete plumbing facilities: 35,321,462
Lacking complete plumbing facilities: 342,126
So about 0.64% (~671,000) households in the US lack "complete plumbing
facilities."
Cheers,
Craig
--
Corollary to Clarke's Third Law:
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 May 2006 05:29:53 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:05:45 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in news:PcidnUvJiJZKjc_ZRVnyiA@bt.com:
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Read the survey. This is not a census!!!
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/SQuest03.pdf
The questions are both ludicrous and insulting. The survey asks, for
instance, how many bathrooms you have in your house, how many miles
you drive to work, how many days you were sick last year, and whether
you have trouble getting up stairs. It goes on and on, mixing inane
questions with highly detailed inquiries about your financial affairs.
One can only imagine the countless malevolent ways our federal
bureaucrats could use this information. At the very least the survey
will be used to dole out pork, which is reason enough to oppose it.
It's dated 2003. I haven't seen it, but if I do I'm not going to fill
it out.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "AZ Nomad" |
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28 Apr 2006 03:03:29 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 13:05:45 GMT, R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in news:PcidnUvJiJZKjc_ZRVnyiA@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B34FE1B1D30mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
wait until you see the survey.
They actually ask you how much money you make, how many cars you have
and lots more.
Yes......we call that a census
We have one every 10 years.
although to be fair they don't fine you for not filling it in.
Read the survey. This is not a census!!!
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/SQuest03.pdf
The questions are both ludicrous and insulting. The survey asks, for
instance, how many bathrooms you have in your house, how many miles
you drive to work, how many days you were sick last year, and whether
you have trouble getting up stairs. It goes on and on, mixing inane
Do they also have a question asking if you're a pathetic whiner?
Oh, you poor poor baby!
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| User: "kathryn" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 08:04:54 AM |
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"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B34FE1B1D30mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
wait until you see the survey.
They actually ask you how much money you make, how many cars you have and
lots more.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census/default.asp
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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| Title: Re: American Community Survey |
28 Apr 2006 08:15:14 AM |
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"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in news:jqGdnafHvM9rj8_ZRVny1Q@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B34FE1B1D30mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
wait until you see the survey.
They actually ask you how much money you make, how many cars you have
and lots more.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census/default.asp
Compare that to
the 2003 US version at
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/Downloads/SQuest03.pdf
The latest one has 42 questions per person. Nice eh?
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 May 2006 05:25:51 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:51:09 GMT, "R. Pierce Butler"
<spamsucks@google.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"kathryn" <nospam@here.com> wrote in
news:SZKdnZi28dw8SszZnZ2dnUVZ8tOdnZ2d@bt.com:
"R. Pierce Butler" <spamsucks@google.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97B3454ED03Emc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1...
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
How dare the government want to know how many and who is living in any
given area of your country!
The nerve!
wait until you see the survey.
They actually ask you how much money you make, how many cars you have and
lots more.
This is a new survey making the rounds?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "" |
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28 Apr 2006 06:22:47 AM |
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In talk.atheism R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census Bureau?
I love the notice on the front stating that refusing to asnwer could result
in a fine.
This is the most flagrant attempt of violating my privacy to date.
Where are we? The USSA?
I knew these assholes would come up with some kind of ***** after 9-11
but this is ridiculous. What kind of vehicle did I drive to work?
Apparently you've never seen a full census survey before. They've been
asking these kinds of questions LONG before 9/11 and it's just for
statistical purposes.
I drove
a fucking donkey and had people waving palm branches to keep me cool during
my journey.
This really pisses me off.
No, I will NOT fill out the survey nor will I anwser ANY questions. They
can see my attorney if they have questions.
Yes, they'll see your lawyer as you're standing in front of the judge and
he's telling you the fine is valid.
<snip rest of rant>
--
Mike
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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28 Apr 2006 08:08:16 AM |
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wrote in news:e2stu7$c5kk$1@news3.infoave.net:
In talk.atheism R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
I love the notice on the front stating that refusing to asnwer could
result in a fine.
This is the most flagrant attempt of violating my privacy to date.
Where are we? The USSA?
I knew these assholes would come up with some kind of ***** after
9-11 but this is ridiculous. What kind of vehicle did I drive to work?
Apparently you've never seen a full census survey before. They've been
asking these kinds of questions LONG before 9/11 and it's just for
statistical purposes.
I drove
a fucking donkey and had people waving palm branches to keep me cool
during my journey.
This really pisses me off.
No, I will NOT fill out the survey nor will I anwser ANY questions.
They can see my attorney if they have questions.
Yes, they'll see your lawyer as you're standing in front of the judge
and he's telling you the fine is valid.
<snip rest of rant>
"The American Community Survey is conducted under the authority of Title 13,
United States Code, Sections 141 and 193, and response is mandatory.
According to Section 221, persons who do not respond shall be fined not more
than $100."
That is noted in paragraph 4 of this page:
http://www.census.gov/acs/www/SBasics/What/What1.htm
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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28 Apr 2006 07:52:11 AM |
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wrote in news:e2stu7$c5kk$1@news3.infoave.net:
In talk.atheism R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
I love the notice on the front stating that refusing to asnwer could
result in a fine.
This is the most flagrant attempt of violating my privacy to date.
Where are we? The USSA?
I knew these assholes would come up with some kind of ***** after
9-11 but this is ridiculous. What kind of vehicle did I drive to work?
Apparently you've never seen a full census survey before. They've been
asking these kinds of questions LONG before 9/11 and it's just for
statistical purposes.
I drove
a fucking donkey and had people waving palm branches to keep me cool
during my journey.
This really pisses me off.
No, I will NOT fill out the survey nor will I anwser ANY questions.
They can see my attorney if they have questions.
Yes, they'll see your lawyer as you're standing in front of the judge
and he's telling you the fine is valid.
<snip rest of rant>
Name three people that have been fined. Ok name one.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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28 Apr 2006 12:37:33 PM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, R. Pierce Butler in episode
<Xns97B3500E52B64mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>...
prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com wrote in news:e2stu7$c5kk$1@news3.infoave.net:
In talk.atheism R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
I love the notice on the front stating that refusing to asnwer could
result in a fine.
This is the most flagrant attempt of violating my privacy to date.
Where are we? The USSA?
I knew these assholes would come up with some kind of ***** after
9-11 but this is ridiculous. What kind of vehicle did I drive to work?
Apparently you've never seen a full census survey before. They've been
asking these kinds of questions LONG before 9/11 and it's just for
statistical purposes.
I drove
a fucking donkey and had people waving palm branches to keep me cool
during my journey.
This really pisses me off.
No, I will NOT fill out the survey nor will I anwser ANY questions.
They can see my attorney if they have questions.
Yes, they'll see your lawyer as you're standing in front of the judge
and he's telling you the fine is valid.
<snip rest of rant>
Name three people that have been fined. Ok name one.
It's also "illegal" to refuse to answer the census. But in the 90 census,
I participated in a little "protest" by the Libertarian party in which
they set up a defense fund and you stapled at "I refuse because..." kind
of thing to the form.
Because the *only thing mentioned in the Constitution is enumeration, I
filled out name, address, and number of people. Stapled the "stuff the
rest" thing to the form and sent it off.
Never heard a peep out of the feds.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"Corps chief admits to 'design failure'"
(Took them long enough)
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J3EF62DEC
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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28 Apr 2006 01:48:40 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:ov2dnTwzNLVAz8_ZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@megapath.net:
Previously, on alt.atheism, R. Pierce Butler in episode
<Xns97B3500E52B64mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>...
prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com wrote in news:e2stu7$c5kk$1@news3.infoave.net:
In talk.atheism R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
I love the notice on the front stating that refusing to asnwer could
result in a fine.
This is the most flagrant attempt of violating my privacy to date.
Where are we? The USSA?
I knew these assholes would come up with some kind of ***** after
9-11 but this is ridiculous. What kind of vehicle did I drive to
work?
Apparently you've never seen a full census survey before. They've been
asking these kinds of questions LONG before 9/11 and it's just for
statistical purposes.
I drove
a fucking donkey and had people waving palm branches to keep me cool
during my journey.
This really pisses me off.
No, I will NOT fill out the survey nor will I anwser ANY questions.
They can see my attorney if they have questions.
Yes, they'll see your lawyer as you're standing in front of the judge
and he's telling you the fine is valid.
<snip rest of rant>
Name three people that have been fined. Ok name one.
It's also "illegal" to refuse to answer the census. But in the 90
census, I participated in a little "protest" by the Libertarian party in
which they set up a defense fund and you stapled at "I refuse
because..." kind of thing to the form.
Because the *only thing mentioned in the Constitution is enumeration, I
filled out name, address, and number of people. Stapled the "stuff the
rest" thing to the form and sent it off.
Never heard a peep out of the feds.
First of all the maximum fine is $100.00 Secondly exactly zero people
have been fined. When they came around with the census I told them to
stuff it and wouldn't answer any of their questions. I think the "I will
answer no question unless my attorney is present" is the best way to avoid
it all.
pierce
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| User: "" |
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29 Apr 2006 06:33:27 AM |
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In talk.atheism R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in
news:ov2dnTwzNLVAz8_ZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@megapath.net:
Previously, on alt.atheism, R. Pierce Butler in episode
<Xns97B3500E52B64mc2500183316chgoill@10.232.1.1>...
prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com wrote in news:e2stu7$c5kk$1@news3.infoave.net:
In talk.atheism R. Pierce Butler <spamsucks@google.com> wrote:
Has anyone received this intrusive bit of ***** from the Census
Bureau?
I love the notice on the front stating that refusing to asnwer could
result in a fine.
This is the most flagrant attempt of violating my privacy to date.
Where are we? The USSA?
I knew these assholes would come up with some kind of ***** after
9-11 but this is ridiculous. What kind of vehicle did I drive to
work?
Apparently you've never seen a full census survey before. They've been
asking these kinds of questions LONG before 9/11 and it's just for
statistical purposes.
I drove
a fucking donkey and had people waving palm branches to keep me cool
during my journey.
This really pisses me off.
No, I will NOT fill out the survey nor will I anwser ANY questions.
They can see my attorney if they have questions.
Yes, they'll see your lawyer as you're standing in front of the judge
and he's telling you the fine is valid.
<snip rest of rant>
Name three people that have been fined. Ok name one.
It's also "illegal" to refuse to answer the census. But in the 90
census, I participated in a little "protest" by the Libertarian party in
which they set up a defense fund and you stapled at "I refuse
because..." kind of thing to the form.
Because the *only thing mentioned in the Constitution is enumeration, I
filled out name, address, and number of people. Stapled the "stuff the
rest" thing to the form and sent it off.
Never heard a peep out of the feds.
First of all the maximum fine is $100.00
Maximum fine for falsifying answers is $500.
Secondly exactly zero people
have been fined.
I.e. "I don't personally know of anyone who's been fined so no-one has",
right? Damned poor logic there.
When they came around with the census I told them to
stuff it and wouldn't answer any of their questions. I think the "I will
answer no question unless my attorney is present" is the best way to avoid
it all.
pierce
--
Mike
-------------------------------
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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| User: "R. Pierce Butler" |
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29 Apr 2006 07:25:47 AM |
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wrote in news:e2viu7$euoh$1@news3.infoave.net:
I.e. "I don't personally know of anyone who's been fined so no-one has",
right? Damned poor logic there.
I should have said "I cannot find a single case where someone has actually
been levied a fine". why? Because I cannot find one.
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