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"7gg10" |
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15 Jun 2006 05:22:10 PM |
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Americans Losing Their Religion |
Americans Losing Their Religion
Given how much we hear about the rise of the religious right in America,
the truth is that, like Europe, America is losing its religion. In a
poll of 51,000 adults in the USA, 14 percent claimed to have no
religious affiliation – a significant increase, the researchers say,
from 8 percent in a similar study they conducted in 1990.
The American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) found that those
most disaffected with religion were under 35 years of age. In that age
group, 23 percent of the men and 18 percent of the women said they did
not follow any organised religion.
The researchers were surprised to find that 43 percent of the
unaffiliated were former Roman Catholics, given that Catholics make up
slightly less than one-quarter of the general population in the United
States.
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15 Jun 2006 05:30:04 PM |
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7gg10 wrote:
Americans Losing Their Religion
Given how much we hear about the rise of the religious right in America,
the truth is that, like Europe, America is losing its religion. In a
poll of 51,000 adults in the USA, 14 percent claimed to have no
religious affiliation -
Of course, that doesn't mean that they are atheist. I don't belong
to any church, but I'm not atheist, or even agnostic. I was reading
in this month's Esquire some results of their readers' poll, and
78% of them believed in God. These are mostly young male readers,
and certainly not considered a religious group.
The researchers were surprised to find that 43 percent of the
unaffiliated were former Roman Catholics, given that Catholics make up
slightly less than one-quarter of the general population in the United
States.
My guess is that most of you are from RCC family backgrounds. It's
hard to believe that they have any members now, after the cornholing
priests exposures, and how the Church covered it up.
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the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
----Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
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| User: "The Rev Dr Hugh Jarse NLAHN" |
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16 Jun 2006 02:06:22 AM |
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wrote:
7gg10 wrote:
Americans Losing Their Religion
Given how much we hear about the rise of the religious right in America,
the truth is that, like Europe, America is losing its religion. In a
poll of 51,000 adults in the USA, 14 percent claimed to have no
religious affiliation -
Of course, that doesn't mean that they are atheist. I don't belong
to any church, but I'm not atheist, or even agnostic. I was reading
in this month's Esquire some results of their readers' poll, and
78% of them believed in God. These are mostly young male readers,
and certainly not considered a religious group.
The researchers were surprised to find that 43 percent of the
unaffiliated were former Roman Catholics, given that Catholics make up
slightly less than one-quarter of the general population in the United
States.
My guess is that most of you are from RCC family backgrounds. It's
hard to believe that they have any members now, after the cornholing
priests exposures, and how the Church covered it up.
You find it hard to believe that because you can't see the wood for the
trees. Here's a hint: Honesty isn't what religion is about.
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| User: "" |
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15 Jun 2006 07:43:24 PM |
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wrote:
7gg10 wrote:
Americans Losing Their Religion
Given how much we hear about the rise of the religious right in America,
the truth is that, like Europe, America is losing its religion. In a
poll of 51,000 adults in the USA, 14 percent claimed to have no
religious affiliation -
Of course, that doesn't mean that they are atheist. I don't belong
to any church, but I'm not atheist, or even agnostic. I was reading
in this month's Esquire some results of their readers' poll, and
78% of them believed in God. These are mostly young male readers,
and certainly not considered a religious group.
The researchers were surprised to find that 43 percent of the
unaffiliated were former Roman Catholics, given that Catholics make up
slightly less than one-quarter of the general population in the United
States.
My guess is that most of you are from RCC family backgrounds. It's
hard to believe that they have any members now, after the cornholing
priests exposures, and how the Church covered it up.
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"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
----Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
--
Cliff
"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
----Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
--
Cliff
It was never said.
Why do right-wing Nazis support Islam, when they've sworn themselves to
destroying the U.S and bringing Muslim values to the West? England is
already a Muslim nation. Is that what you want here?
Or are you a Muslim practicing "dissimulation", (lying in defense of
the faith)?"
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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16 Jun 2006 07:21:31 AM |
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Why do right-wing Nazis support Islam, when they've sworn themselves to
destroying the U.S and bringing Muslim values to the West? England is
already a Muslim nation. Is that what you want here?
I have lived all of my fifty two years in England, and have to say that
this astonishing news comes as a complete surprise to me. I wonder if
anyone else in England is aware of this state of affairs.
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| User: "" |
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15 Jun 2006 08:08:19 PM |
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Why do right-wing Nazis support Islam,
I'm not rightwing, and I'm not a member of any Nazi organization;
neither do I support Islam. So far you're batting zero.
when they've sworn themselves to
destroying the U.S and bringing Muslim values to the West?
The only real threat to America is Zionism. Muslims want to destroy
America because of our support of Israel.
England is
already a Muslim nation. Is that what you want here?>
Or are you a Muslim practicing "dissimulation", (lying in defense of
the faith)?"
Tell us the reason for you lies. That's all this post of yours
contained.
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http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
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"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
----Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
--
Cliff
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| User: "" |
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17 Jun 2006 02:14:55 PM |
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wrote:
janospetrik@hotmail.com wrote:
Why do right-wing Nazis support Islam,
I'm not rightwing, and I'm not a member of any Nazi organization;
neither do I support Islam. So far you're batting zero.
when they've sworn themselves to
destroying the U.S and bringing Muslim values to the West?
The only real threat to America is Zionism. Muslims want to destroy
America because of our support of Israel.
England is
already a Muslim nation. Is that what you want here?>
Or are you a Muslim practicing "dissimulation", (lying in defense of
the faith)?"
Tell us the reason for you lies. That's all this post of yours
contained.
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http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
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"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
----Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
--
Cliff
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"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
If this quotation is correct, then what is it's source?
The only real threat to America is Zionism. Muslims want to destroy
America because of our support of Israel.
Why is Zionism a threat to the U.S.? Should we abandon our allies
because criminal cults threaten to attack us if we don't?
I'm not rightwing, and I'm not a member of any Nazi organization;
neither do I support Islam.
You don't have to be a member of a right-wing organization to hate
Jews. You just have to believe the propaganda put forth by their
organizations. The Ku-Klux Klan, the National Socialists and other
nazi-type organizations have stated publicly that they support Islam's
efforts to destroy Israel. Imams everywhere have railed against
infidels in their "teachings", demanding the killing or conversion of
non-Muslims, not just supporters of Israel, unaware that they were
being recorded, while publicly parrotting the lie that Islam is a
religion of peace.
England is
already a Muslim nation. Is that what you want here?>
No doubt that I was unclear and hyperbolic here.
London is a major Islamic center, allowing Imams to preach terrorism,
just as many other European and U.S cities do, (New York, for example),
under the protection of free speech laws.
England is not a Muslim nation. The U.S and European countries are not
Islamic nations, but Islam's terrorist religious beliefs are treated
with kid gloves. We allowed them in and gave them permission to lobby
for our destruction. Any real or imagined criticism of Islam or its
adherents is met with death threats and murder, rioting, and demands
for public apologies. Our politicians, who are sworn to protect and
defend the Constitution punked out on this one, as have European
politicians.
No Muslim nation allows dissent against Islam, and indeed, people are
executed for voicing their opinions. No Muslim nation allows freedom
of speech. If Islam is so wonderful, then why don't Muslims flock to
the oil-rich Muslim Arab nations?
Islamic terrorism is a fact of life everywhere on Earth. The people of
Israel react in retaliation to criminal acts intended to destroy them.
It isn't possible that less than 2% of the world's population could
control the U.S.
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| User: "" |
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17 Jun 2006 05:04:43 PM |
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Why is Zionism a threat to the U.S.? Should we abandon our allies
because criminal cults threaten to attack us if we don't?
Israel is not an ally.
You don't have to be a member of a right-wing organization to hate
Jews.
You're continuing to sound like an idiot. Nobody has mentioned hating
Jews but you.
No doubt that I was unclear and hyperbolic here.
No doubt.
Islamic terrorism is a fact of life everywhere on Earth. The people of
Israel react in retaliation to criminal acts intended to destroy them.
You've got that backwards. It's the Palestinians who act in
retaliation.
Where the hell have you been?
It isn't possible that less than 2% of the world's population could
control the U.S.
They have a stranglehold on U.S. politics. Click the first link below,
but I doubt you'll learn much.
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http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
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"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
----Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
--
Cliff
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| User: "" |
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21 Jun 2006 11:15:46 PM |
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wrote:
janospetrik@hotmail.com wrote:
Why is Zionism a threat to the U.S.? Should we abandon our allies
because criminal cults threaten to attack us if we don't?
Israel is not an ally.
You don't have to be a member of a right-wing organization to hate
Jews.
You're continuing to sound like an idiot. Nobody has mentioned hating
Jews but you.
No doubt that I was unclear and hyperbolic here.
No doubt.
Islamic terrorism is a fact of life everywhere on Earth. The people of
Israel react in retaliation to criminal acts intended to destroy them.
You've got that backwards. It's the Palestinians who act in
retaliation.
Where the hell have you been?
It isn't possible that less than 2% of the world's population could
control the U.S.
They have a stranglehold on U.S. politics. Click the first link below,
but I doubt you'll learn much.
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http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
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"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
----Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
--
Cliff
"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
----Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
Again, where did this quote come from? If it were real, there would be
a record of it, not just a propaganda piece from a mentally ill
right-wing nutcase.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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15 Jun 2006 11:06:32 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (clifffreeling@yahoo.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Of course, that doesn't mean that they are atheist. I don't belong
to any church, but I'm not atheist, or even agnostic. I was reading
in this month's Esquire some results of their readers' poll, and
78% of them believed in God. These are mostly young male readers,
and certainly not considered a religious group.
It depends on who you poll. If your poll resides in the US Southeast, you
might find 2% non-believers. Head for the west coast, and maybe you'll see
20% who don't regularly attend church.
I stopped attending church for religious reasons after the age of seven,
but I didn't throw the god monkey off my shoulders until 9-11-2001, or
shortly thereafter. IOW, I became an atheist at age seven, and came out of
the closet when the Muslims destroyed the WTC.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "" |
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16 Jun 2006 08:01:08 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
I stopped attending church for religious reasons after the age of seven,
Did your family still attend, with you, at age 7, deciding to stop?
but I didn't throw the god monkey off my shoulders until 9-11-2001, or
shortly thereafter. IOW, I became an atheist at age seven, and came out of
the closet when the Muslims destroyed the WTC.
How come? What in the world would the 9-11 attacks have to do
with deciding to become atheist?
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http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
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"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
----Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
--
Cliff
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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16 Jun 2006 11:33:15 AM |
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<clifffreeling@yahoo.com> wrote:
but I didn't throw the god monkey off my shoulders until 9-11-2001, or
shortly thereafter. IOW, I became an atheist at age seven, and came out of
the closet when the Muslims destroyed the WTC.
How come? What in the world would the 9-11 attacks have to do
with deciding to become atheist?
For me, it is not so much about becoming an atheist, because I've never
believed the fairy tales. 9/11 was about becoming an anti-religious
activist. Not that we needed another reminder, but the tragic events of
that day showed the world just how dangerous religious fanaticism is.
Since then, we've seen a disturbing rise in Christian nationalism in the
US; religious extremism begets religious extremism.
One hopeful sign is that many other people see this as well, and the age
old taboos against questioning other people's religious beliefs are
crumbling. There's still a long way to go, but at least the issue of the
role of religious faith as a destructive force is out in the open.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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16 Jun 2006 02:22:15 PM |
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wrote in
news:1150462868.046487.76680@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com:
Uncle Vic wrote:
I stopped attending church for religious reasons after the age of
seven,
Did your family still attend, with you, at age 7, deciding to stop?
but I didn't throw the god monkey off my shoulders until 9-11-2001,
or shortly thereafter. IOW, I became an atheist at age seven, and
came out of the closet when the Muslims destroyed the WTC.
How come? What in the world would the 9-11 attacks have to do
with deciding to become atheist?
Most religious people assert the god of the muslims is the same as the
god of the Jews and Christians. On 9-11, half the religious world
claimed victory in the name of Allah, while the rest called for revenge
in the name of Yaweh. My irony meter blasted off for Jupiter, while my
personal anger made me realize who I am.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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16 Jun 2006 01:38:58 AM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (clifffreeling@yahoo.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Of course, that doesn't mean that they are atheist. I don't belong
to any church, but I'm not atheist, or even agnostic. I was reading
in this month's Esquire some results of their readers' poll, and
78% of them believed in God. These are mostly young male readers,
and certainly not considered a religious group.
It depends on who you poll. If your poll resides in the US Southeast, you
might find 2% non-believers. Head for the west coast, and maybe you'll
see 20% who don't regularly attend church.
I stopped attending church for religious reasons after the age of seven,
but I didn't throw the god monkey off my shoulders until 9-11-2001, or
shortly thereafter. IOW, I became an atheist at age seven, and came out
of the closet when the Muslims destroyed the WTC.
It has been noted by some that the self described attendees and the numbers
of attendees reported by churches do not match. A lot of pollees
lie or exaggerate their attendance.
40% of people polled claim regular attendance at church, it seems really to
be at best about half that.
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"I used to think the brain was the most fascinating part
of the body. Then I thought, "Look what's telling me
that."
- Emo Phillips
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "leo" |
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16 Jun 2006 03:45:13 PM |
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wbarwell ha escrito:
Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet (clifffreeling@yahoo.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Of course, that doesn't mean that they are atheist. I don't belong
to any church, but I'm not atheist, or even agnostic. I was reading
in this month's Esquire some results of their readers' poll, and
78% of them believed in God. These are mostly young male readers,
and certainly not considered a religious group.
It depends on who you poll. If your poll resides in the US Southeast, you
might find 2% non-believers. Head for the west coast, and maybe you'll
see 20% who don't regularly attend church.
I stopped attending church for religious reasons after the age of seven,
but I didn't throw the god monkey off my shoulders until 9-11-2001, or
shortly thereafter. IOW, I became an atheist at age seven, and came out
of the closet when the Muslims destroyed the WTC.
It has been noted by some that the self described attendees and the numbers
of attendees reported by churches do not match. A lot of pollees
lie or exaggerate their attendance.
40% of people polled claim regular attendance at church, it seems really to
be at best about half that.
--
"I used to think the brain was the most fascinating part
of the body. Then I thought, "Look what's telling me
that."
- Emo Phillips
Cheerful Charlie
I think many people lie at such polling questions. People that rarely
goes to a church lie when questioned. Why? I can imagine several
reasons. First, he is not as Xian as it is supposed he has to be. But
he does not dare to challenge the religious establishment. I think all
is nothing but that. As long as he would keep his mouth shut he is not
going to have problems with social environment. That is all.
How many people would dare to say yes before the question, do you
believe in god?
Only the few people that is a very militant atheist will do. Most of
the atheist are closet in people. How many are them? You could
perhaps can multiply the figure of the confess atheist by 3 or 4.
But waht about people that do not believe in organized religion? Well,
they are mild atheist that did not dare to dig farther inside his mind
about this issue. Many of this are people not used to reasoning or
argumenting. Just plain people that are sure only about material and
ordinary things. All the other questions, religious or scientific, are
too complex to the ordinary men to look into. But, at the same time,
many people is aware that even if scientific stuff is something
unfathomable for him, they are aware that this damned scientist are
doing all those wonders of techology. While at the same time they can
see that preachers and priests are producing nothing but holy
chattering.
Many ordinary people can see that, but they are not ready to challenge
religious authorities; they do not dare to confront them.
Leopoldo
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| User: "JessHC" |
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16 Jun 2006 04:04:49 PM |
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7gg10 wrote:
Americans Losing Their Religion
Thank god.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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21 Jun 2006 11:33:37 PM |
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7gg10 wrote:
Americans Losing Their Religion
That's us in the corner...
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15 Jun 2006 11:18:15 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:22:10 GMT, 7gg10
<atheist.thoughts@ntlworld.com> wrote:
Americans Losing Their Religion
The sooner the better.
Given how much we hear about the rise of the religious right in America,
the truth is that, like Europe, America is losing its religion. In a
poll of 51,000 adults in the USA, 14 percent claimed to have no
religious affiliation – a significant increase, the researchers say,
from 8 percent in a similar study they conducted in 1990.
The American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) found that those
most disaffected with religion were under 35 years of age. In that age
group, 23 percent of the men and 18 percent of the women said they did
not follow any organised religion.
The researchers were surprised to find that 43 percent of the
unaffiliated were former Roman Catholics, given that Catholics make up
slightly less than one-quarter of the general population in the United
States.
Sunyata
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