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14 Dec 2003 01:40:39 PM |
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An atheist at church |
Today I went to see my mother sing in her choir at her new church.
This is a Presbyterian church, which is a new thing to me. I grew up
catholic and have attended methodist churches and a few other types,
but this one was a bit different.
This service had seven readings, each with music after it. (!) In
catholic churches, there are usually only three, so I was surprised by
that. What really got me was that the readings that were chosen
seemed to show god as being evil. I haven't been to church, besides
for weddings, since I realized I was an atheist three years ago. But
I always thought that they would choose the bible verses that
portrayed god as good.
Ok, so first we have god finding out that Adam had eaten the fruit and
the "original" sin. I have always seen this one as god being the
parent who tells the teenager where the alcohol is kept and not to
ever have friends over to drink the alcohol and then leaves for the
weekend. Of course the kid will drink. God tempted Adam. Not to
mention, god is omniscient and knew Adam would do it. And, he created
Adam and I assume his personality, including his curiosity. Couldn't
he keep watching and yell at Eve right when she reached for the fruit?
It also pisses me off that it's all the woman's fault.
Then we have god rewarding Abraham for his obedience. Wasn't this
where he agreed to KILL his SON for god?!?! Yeah hooray! What kind of
***** agrees to this?! I would never harm my child for any reason I
don't care who told me to do it! Of course in church, they don't talk
about what Abraham did to deserve to be rewarded.
Then we have some prophesies, then the virgin Mary story. Here's
where my mind started wandering. Mary's a virgin. She becomes
pregnant due to god. I'm going to assume that an egg cell can begin
developing without a sperm here. Jesus would be haploid, but do you
really need two of every chromosome? So he has one of each, all his
would be from Mary. No problem, right? But he wouldn't have a Y
chromosome. Jesus would be a girl? Hmmm.... I guess god put a sperm
into Mary by magic. I don't get it.
Anyway, now that I went to church, I think I'm going to be pressured
to attend regularly. I won't, but it could get ugly. My dad knows
I'm an atheist, but I don't think mom does. I guess it will come out
sooner or later.
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real. It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically. Anyway, that's my rant for the month.
-LisaKay
aa #2054
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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14 Dec 2003 02:49:41 PM |
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In article <1dbe2aec.0312141140.75419b7d@posting.google.com>,
(LisaKay) wrote:
Today I went to see my mother sing in her choir at her new church.
This is a Presbyterian church, which is a new thing to me. I grew up
catholic and have attended methodist churches and a few other types,
but this one was a bit different.
This service had seven readings, each with music after it. (!) In
catholic churches, there are usually only three, so I was surprised by
that. What really got me was that the readings that were chosen
seemed to show god as being evil. I haven't been to church, besides
for weddings, since I realized I was an atheist three years ago. But
I always thought that they would choose the bible verses that
portrayed god as good.
Heh. The thing is, Presbyterians are Calvinists. They believe in
complete predestination. In fact, their outlook is among the most
gloomy, depressing ones in the Christian world. And they're conditioned
from birth to think of it as "good." I've talked religion with only one
Calvinist, and it was such a high-powered drag that I was very relieved
when he got deployed to the War on Terror. Icky.
<snip>
Anyway, now that I went to church, I think I'm going to be pressured
to attend regularly. I won't, but it could get ugly. My dad knows
I'm an atheist, but I don't think mom does. I guess it will come out
sooner or later.
Most likely. Speaking from experience, being out of the atheism closet
is a pretty good thing, overall. It took some nerve for me at first, but
after a while, it wasn't bad at all.
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real. It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically. Anyway, that's my rant for the month.
-LisaKay
aa #2054
I go to church with my wife every week. At times, it gets on my nerves,
this Lutheran stuff I get on a regular basis. But the pastor there is
such a cool, interesting fellow that I've developed a good friendship
with him, and church isn't all that bad. Most of the time, at least...
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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| User: "bob young" |
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14 Dec 2003 11:24:19 PM |
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LisaKay wrote:
Today I went to see my mother sing in her choir at her new church.
This is a Presbyterian church, which is a new thing to me. I grew up
catholic and have attended methodist churches and a few other types,
but this one was a bit different.
This service had seven readings, each with music after it. (!) In
catholic churches, there are usually only three, so I was surprised by
that. What really got me was that the readings that were chosen
seemed to show god as being evil. I haven't been to church, besides
for weddings, since I realized I was an atheist three years ago. But
I always thought that they would choose the bible verses that
portrayed god as good.
Ok, so first we have god finding out that Adam had eaten the fruit and
the "original" sin. I have always seen this one as god being the
parent who tells the teenager where the alcohol is kept and not to
ever have friends over to drink the alcohol and then leaves for the
weekend. Of course the kid will drink. God tempted Adam. Not to
mention, god is omniscient and knew Adam would do it. And, he created
Adam and I assume his personality, including his curiosity. Couldn't
he keep watching and yell at Eve right when she reached for the fruit?
It also pisses me off that it's all the woman's fault.
Then we have god rewarding Abraham for his obedience. Wasn't this
where he agreed to KILL his SON for god?!?! Yeah hooray! What kind of
***** agrees to this?! I would never harm my child for any reason I
don't care who told me to do it! Of course in church, they don't talk
about what Abraham did to deserve to be rewarded.
Then we have some prophesies, then the virgin Mary story. Here's
where my mind started wandering. Mary's a virgin. She becomes
pregnant due to god. I'm going to assume that an egg cell can begin
developing without a sperm here. Jesus would be haploid, but do you
really need two of every chromosome? So he has one of each, all his
would be from Mary. No problem, right? But he wouldn't have a Y
chromosome. Jesus would be a girl? Hmmm.... I guess god put a sperm
into Mary by magic. I don't get it.
Anyway, now that I went to church, I think I'm going to be pressured
to attend regularly. I won't, but it could get ugly. My dad knows
I'm an atheist, but I don't think mom does. I guess it will come out
sooner or later.
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real. It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically. Anyway, that's my rant for the month.
-LisaKay
aa #2054
Lisa my guess is the majority of 'believers' from all religions went
that route by following their parents. Me included. You have woken up,
again like me and I wish you good luck. You could have problems getting
the understanding of your parents so it might be better to take things
real slow.
have a good day
bob
Hong Kong
People who like this sort of thing will find this the sort of thing they
like.
Abraham Lincoln
1809-65
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| User: "George Fischer" |
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14 Dec 2003 08:27:57 PM |
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LisaKay wrote:
Today I went to see my mother sing in her choir at her new church.
This is a Presbyterian church, which is a new thing to me. I grew up
catholic and have attended methodist churches and a few other types,
but this one was a bit different.
This service had seven readings, each with music after it. (!) In
catholic churches, there are usually only three, so I was surprised by
that. What really got me was that the readings that were chosen
seemed to show god as being evil. I haven't been to church, besides
for weddings, since I realized I was an atheist three years ago. But
I always thought that they would choose the bible verses that
portrayed god as good.
Ok, so first we have god finding out that Adam had eaten the fruit and
the "original" sin. I have always seen this one as god being the
parent who tells the teenager where the alcohol is kept and not to
ever have friends over to drink the alcohol and then leaves for the
weekend. Of course the kid will drink. God tempted Adam. Not to
mention, god is omniscient and knew Adam would do it. And, he created
Adam and I assume his personality, including his curiosity. Couldn't
he keep watching and yell at Eve right when she reached for the fruit?
It also pisses me off that it's all the woman's fault.
I read (and I forget where now) that the whole garden of eden story was
symbolic of the transition from a hunter gather society to an agro
society. The theory was that women developed agroculture and this was
the "knowledge" that destroyed the hunter gatherer way of life that
males viewed as paradise.
Then we have god rewarding Abraham for his obedience. Wasn't this
where he agreed to KILL his SON for god?!?! Yeah hooray! What kind of
***** agrees to this?! I would never harm my child for any reason I
don't care who told me to do it! Of course in church, they don't talk
about what Abraham did to deserve to be rewarded.
Then we have some prophesies, then the virgin Mary story. Here's
where my mind started wandering. Mary's a virgin. She becomes
pregnant due to god. I'm going to assume that an egg cell can begin
developing without a sperm here. Jesus would be haploid, but do you
really need two of every chromosome? So he has one of each, all his
would be from Mary. No problem, right? But he wouldn't have a Y
chromosome. Jesus would be a girl? Hmmm.... I guess god put a sperm
into Mary by magic. I don't get it.
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we were
having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus she wanted
to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was definately onto
something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized by the church to offer
greater appeal to women in order to compete with goddesses.
Anyway, now that I went to church, I think I'm going to be pressured
to attend regularly. I won't, but it could get ugly. My dad knows
I'm an atheist, but I don't think mom does. I guess it will come out
sooner or later.
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real. It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically. Anyway, that's my rant for the month.
Yeah, some days are better than others. I seem to be getting lots of
glurge "reason for the season" e-mail from folks who should know better.
I have trouble understanding just how some of these folks can function
in the real world. Their way of thinking has become just so strange to
me. I've got to come back to this group to be reassured that there are
still thinking folks out there :-) --george
-LisaKay
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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14 Dec 2003 09:49:02 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach George Fischer:
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we were
having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus she wanted
to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was definately onto
something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized by the church to
offer greater appeal to women in order to compete with goddesses.
Did Jesus have tits? I could never tell.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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15 Dec 2003 01:21:08 AM |
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Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9451C98F56E6Dvicman@204.127.199.17:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach George Fischer:
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we were
having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus she wanted
to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was definately onto
something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized by the church to
offer greater appeal to women in order to compete with goddesses.
Did Jesus have tits? I could never tell.
He got penetrated three times by nails--then once again by a spear...unless
those "nails" and the "spear" were allegory and he was actually playing ewe
to someone's ram?
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Dissent is not a right.
It is a RESPONSIBILITY.
--me.
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| User: "Patrick Brown" |
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15 Dec 2003 01:32:30 PM |
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Doc Smartass wrote:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9451C98F56E6Dvicman@204.127.199.17:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach George Fischer:
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we were
having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus she wanted
to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was definately onto
something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized by the church to
offer greater appeal to women in order to compete with goddesses.
Did Jesus have tits? I could never tell.
He got penetrated three times by nails--then once again by a spear...unless
those "nails" and the "spear" were allegory and he was actually playing ewe
to someone's ram?
I'm still trying to work out exactly what getting his feet anointed by
Mary Magdalene is a euphemism for.
Patrick
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Dec 2003 12:53:06 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:32:30 +0000, Patrick Brown
<mail@spammers.must.die.paddybrown.co.uk>, Message ID:
<I1oDb.1153$Th5.124@newsfep1-gui.server.ntli.net> wrote in alt.atheism;
Doc Smartass wrote:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9451C98F56E6Dvicman@204.127.199.17:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach George Fischer:
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we were
having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus she wanted
to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was definately onto
something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized by the church to
offer greater appeal to women in order to compete with goddesses.
Did Jesus have tits? I could never tell.
He got penetrated three times by nails--then once again by a spear...unless
those "nails" and the "spear" were allegory and he was actually playing ewe
to someone's ram?
I'm still trying to work out exactly what getting his feet anointed by
Mary Magdalene is a euphemism for.
Golden shower.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Dec 2003 08:54:57 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Patrick Brown:
Doc Smartass wrote:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9451C98F56E6Dvicman@204.127.199.17:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach George Fischer:
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we
were having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus she
wanted to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was definately
onto something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized by the church
to offer greater appeal to women in order to compete with goddesses.
Did Jesus have tits? I could never tell.
He got penetrated three times by nails--then once again by a
spear...unless those "nails" and the "spear" were allegory and he was
actually playing ewe to someone's ram?
I'm still trying to work out exactly what getting his feet anointed by
Mary Magdalene is a euphemism for.
Patrick
Fetish?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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17 Dec 2003 10:22:07 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9452C0646A6Dvicman@216.148.227.77:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Patrick Brown:
Doc Smartass wrote:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9451C98F56E6Dvicman@204.127.199.17:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach George Fischer:
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we
were having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus she
wanted to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was definately
onto something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized by the church
to offer greater appeal to women in order to compete with goddesses.
Did Jesus have tits? I could never tell.
He got penetrated three times by nails--then once again by a
spear...unless those "nails" and the "spear" were allegory and he was
actually playing ewe to someone's ram?
I'm still trying to work out exactly what getting his feet anointed by
Mary Magdalene is a euphemism for.
Patrick
Fetish?
"Golden Shower" ?
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Dissent is not a right.
It is a RESPONSIBILITY.
--me.
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| User: "AngryJohn" |
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17 Dec 2003 11:08:58 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:22:07 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9452C0646A6Dvicman@216.148.227.77:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Patrick Brown:
Doc Smartass wrote:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9451C98F56E6Dvicman@204.127.199.17:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach George Fischer:
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we
were having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus she
wanted to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was definately
onto something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized by the church
to offer greater appeal to women in order to compete with goddesses.
Did Jesus have tits? I could never tell.
He got penetrated three times by nails--then once again by a
spear...unless those "nails" and the "spear" were allegory and he was
actually playing ewe to someone's ram?
I'm still trying to work out exactly what getting his feet anointed by
Mary Magdalene is a euphemism for.
Patrick
Fetish?
"Golden Shower" ?
"Golden Arches"
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Remove Belief to reply
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| User: "Erica" |
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17 Dec 2003 11:50:26 PM |
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"AngryJohn" <KuoshuJohnBelief@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sid2uv0ivmmjtiuli7nfkigdn76rif3nbc@4ax.com...
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:22:07 GMT, Doc Smartass
<gekiskivviesdo@astroboyskivviesmail.com> wrote:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9452C0646A6Dvicman@216.148.227.77:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Patrick Brown:
Doc Smartass wrote:
Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote in
news:Xns9451C98F56E6Dvicman@204.127.199.17:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach George Fischer:
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we
were having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus she
wanted to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was definately
onto something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized by the church
to offer greater appeal to women in order to compete with goddesses.
Did Jesus have tits? I could never tell.
He got penetrated three times by nails--then once again by a
spear...unless those "nails" and the "spear" were allegory and he was
actually playing ewe to someone's ram?
I'm still trying to work out exactly what getting his feet anointed by
Mary Magdalene is a euphemism for.
Patrick
Fetish?
"Golden Shower" ?
"Golden Arches"
(sigh)
(filing post under "101 mental images I didn't want")
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| User: "George Fischer" |
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14 Dec 2003 10:12:50 PM |
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Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach George Fischer:
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we were
having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus she wanted
to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was definately onto
something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized by the church to
offer greater appeal to women in order to compete with goddesses.
Did Jesus have tits? I could never tell.
:-) Hmmm, maybe. Wasn't there that whole bustier of turin controversy.
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| User: "Shazzabazz" |
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15 Dec 2003 02:18:18 AM |
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George Fischer wrote:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach George Fischer:
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we were
having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus she wanted
to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was definately onto
something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized by the church to
offer greater appeal to women in order to compete with goddesses.
Did Jesus have tits? I could never tell.
:-) Hmmm, maybe. Wasn't there that whole bustier of turin controversy.
Well, according to the Bible, Jesus was "like us in every way, except
without sin".
Therefore, He had "privates. But they were, well, private.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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15 Dec 2003 08:54:22 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Shazzabazz:
George Fischer wrote:
Vic Sagerquist wrote:
One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach George Fischer:
That's interesting, no Y chromosome eh? When my daughter was 5 we
were having a conversation about various gods. After seeing Zeus
she wanted to know why Jesus didn't have "privates." She was
definately onto something. I think Jesus was delibertly feminized
by the church to offer greater appeal to women in order to compete
with goddesses.
Did Jesus have tits? I could never tell.
:-) Hmmm, maybe. Wasn't there that whole bustier of turin
:controversy.
Well, according to the Bible, Jesus was "like us in every way, except
without sin".
Which means nothing, because there's no such thing as sin.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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15 Dec 2003 05:30:06 AM |
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On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800 the ET form known as
LisaKay<LisaKay2054@hotmail.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
Then we have god rewarding Abraham for his obedience. Wasn't this
where he agreed to KILL his SON for god?!?! Yeah hooray! What kind of
***** agrees to this?! I would never harm my child for any reason I
don't care who told me to do it! Of course in church, they don't talk
about what Abraham did to deserve to be rewarded.
In Genesis Ab is one of God's fav people and you wonder how this
reflects on his creator. First you find out he is very rich and then
after reading a little further you find out how. Pimping his extremely
beautiful 70 year old wife/half sister to kings "accidentally".
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Dec 2003 09:42:47 PM |
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On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay)
posted in alt.atheism:
This service had seven readings, each with music after it. (!)
Sounds like a formal Chinese dinner. Yo lose count of the number of
courses.
It also pisses me off that it's all the woman's fault.
You expected men to make up stories blaming the men?
Then we have god rewarding Abraham for his obedience. Wasn't this
where he agreed to KILL his SON for god?!?!
Yep.
Yeah hooray! What kind of ***** agrees to this?!
A brain-dead fundy.
I would never harm my child for any reason I don't care who told me to do it!
That's just because you're sane.
Then we have some prophesies, then the virgin Mary story. Here's
where my mind started wandering. Mary's a virgin. She becomes
pregnant due to god. I'm going to assume that an egg cell can begin
developing without a sperm here.
Yeah, but not in humans.
Anyway, now that I went to church, I think I'm going to be pressured
to attend regularly. I won't, but it could get ugly. My dad knows
I'm an atheist, but I don't think mom does. I guess it will come out
sooner or later.
Do you live with them? Are you an adult or a child?
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity?
No more so than with the silliness of Peter Pan or SpongeBob
SquarePants. (One of the favorite shows of one of my great nephews.)
It really bothers me that so many people think all of this is real.
I came to that realization (that people thought it's real) when I was
about 5. It didn't bother me then and it doesn't bother me now.
It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically.
You're a science teacher? Just remember that not everyone is smart
enough (smart = ability to learn) to learn everything being taught.
If you're a terrible teacher it's your fault that they aren't
learning, but if you aren't, it isn't. You can't replace 10 years of
dumbing down they get at home in 10 months.
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"I don't try to imagine a God; it suffices to stand in awe of the structure of the world
insofar as it allows our inadequate senses to appreciate it."
- Letter to S. Flesch, April 16, 1954; Einstein Archive 30-1154
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| User: "annie" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist at church |
15 Dec 2003 02:02:54 AM |
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You're a science teacher? Just remember that not everyone is smart
enough (smart = ability to learn) to learn everything being taught.
If you're a terrible teacher it's your fault that they aren't
learning, but if you aren't, it isn't. You can't replace 10 years of
dumbing down they get at home in 10 months.
I agree! I dunno if there's God. And I'm not a Christianism.But I
think it's better to trust something and learn something.
Keith
www.topsn.com/osprey
scn_s1@hotmail.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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19 Dec 2003 12:54:33 AM |
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On 15 Dec 2003 00:02:54 -0800, (annie), Message ID:
<65870f36.0312150002.2db6cbb8@posting.google.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
You're a science teacher? Just remember that not everyone is smart
enough (smart = ability to learn) to learn everything being taught.
If you're a terrible teacher it's your fault that they aren't
learning, but if you aren't, it isn't. You can't replace 10 years of
dumbing down they get at home in 10 months.
I agree! I dunno if there's God.
There isn't.
And I'm not a Christianism.But I
think it's better to trust something and learn something.
Don't trust the superstition industry.
Keith
www.topsn.com/osprey
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "LisaKay" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist at church |
17 Dec 2003 03:26:28 PM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<5uaqtv46raqcvqjvaikag1s5ruvb8eg3u6@Pern.rk>...
On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay)
posted in alt.atheism:
This service had seven readings, each with music after it. (!)
Sounds like a formal Chinese dinner. Yo lose count of the number of
courses.
It also pisses me off that it's all the woman's fault.
You expected men to make up stories blaming the men?
Yeah, I know. It still pisses me off.
Then we have god rewarding Abraham for his obedience. Wasn't this
where he agreed to KILL his SON for god?!?!
Yep.
Yeah hooray! What kind of ***** agrees to this?!
A brain-dead fundy.
I would never harm my child for any reason I don't care who told me to do it!
That's just because you're sane.
Then we have some prophesies, then the virgin Mary story. Here's
where my mind started wandering. Mary's a virgin. She becomes
pregnant due to god. I'm going to assume that an egg cell can begin
developing without a sperm here.
Yeah, but not in humans.
Anyway, now that I went to church, I think I'm going to be pressured
to attend regularly. I won't, but it could get ugly. My dad knows
I'm an atheist, but I don't think mom does. I guess it will come out
sooner or later.
Do you live with them? Are you an adult or a child?
I'm an adult. I have my own family. They live nearby and I think
they would still accept me, but I don't know about my brother and
sister, who are very religious (church/bible study several times a
week).
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity?
No more so than with the silliness of Peter Pan or SpongeBob
SquarePants. (One of the favorite shows of one of my great nephews.)
It really bothers me that so many people think all of this is real.
I came to that realization (that people thought it's real) when I was
about 5. It didn't bother me then and it doesn't bother me now.
It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically.
You're a science teacher? Just remember that not everyone is smart
enough (smart = ability to learn) to learn everything being taught.
If you're a terrible teacher it's your fault that they aren't
learning, but if you aren't, it isn't. You can't replace 10 years of
dumbing down they get at home in 10 months.
Yes, I'm a high school science teacher. Many people think they are
not smart enough to learn science, but that's just because of the
common misconception that science is a "hard" subject to learn. It
does take a different manner of thinking (problem solving) than
subjects where memorizing is the goal, but it's really not harder.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist at church |
17 Dec 2003 09:15:28 PM |
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On 17 Dec 2003 13:26:28 -0800, (LisaKay)
posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<5uaqtv46raqcvqjvaikag1s5ruvb8eg3u6@Pern.rk>...
On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay)
posted in alt.atheism:
This service had seven readings, each with music after it. (!)
Sounds like a formal Chinese dinner. Yo lose count of the number of
courses.
It also pisses me off that it's all the woman's fault.
You expected men to make up stories blaming the men?
Yeah, I know. It still pisses me off.
You sure it's not just hormonal? <ducks and runs>
Anyway, now that I went to church, I think I'm going to be pressured
to attend regularly. I won't, but it could get ugly. My dad knows
I'm an atheist, but I don't think mom does. I guess it will come out
sooner or later.
Do you live with them? Are you an adult or a child?
I'm an adult. I have my own family. They live nearby and I think
they would still accept me, but I don't know about my brother and
sister, who are very religious (church/bible study several times a
week).
Your choice then. Make like a theist or take the chance of alienating
your family. I know what I'd do, but that's me. You have to make
your own choice.
Yes, I'm a high school science teacher. Many people think they are
not smart enough to learn science, but that's just because of the
common misconception that science is a "hard" subject to learn. It
does take a different manner of thinking (problem solving) than
subjects where memorizing is the goal, but it's really not harder.
A basic science knowledge, enough to not fall for creationism, doesn't
take much more than learning by rote.
But, if you look at some posts on usenet, they think spelling and
grammar are "too hard" for them too.
--
Zymurgist # 2
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist at church |
14 Dec 2003 04:34:48 PM |
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On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay) wrote:
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real.
It really bothers me that so many people think that it is not real.
It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically. Anyway, that's my rant for the month.
Sad. Logically speaking, all pretty much demands the existance of almighty God.
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| User: "Dr. DuFonet" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist at church |
14 Dec 2003 08:54:57 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:m8pptv0mnvthciq4de7nu34quaqv2546n0@4ax.com...
On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay) wrote:
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real.
It really bothers me that so many people think that it is not real.
It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically. Anyway, that's my rant for the month.
Sad. Logically speaking, all pretty much demands the existance of
almighty God.
in other words God has to be invented accordiong to logic?
--
:"Everythin's better with DoFunny on it."
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist at church |
14 Dec 2003 06:11:06 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:m8pptv0mnvthciq4de7nu34quaqv2546n0@4ax.com...
On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay) wrote:
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real.
It really bothers me that so many people think that it is not real.
It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically. Anyway, that's my rant for the month.
Sad. Logically speaking, all pretty much demands the existance of
almighty God.
And in the same breath Earl would probably argue that it is logical to
assume the sun will come up tomorrow.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist at church |
14 Dec 2003 11:27:16 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:m8pptv0mnvthciq4de7nu34quaqv2546n0@4ax.com...
On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay) wrote:
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real.
It really bothers me that so many people think that it is not real.
It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically. Anyway, that's my rant for the month.
Sad. Logically speaking, all pretty much demands the existance of
almighty God.
And in the same breath Earl would probably argue that it is logical to
assume the sun will come up tomorrow...
....careful - he'll want you to prove it!
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist at church |
15 Dec 2003 05:33:58 AM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:34:48 -0600 the ET form known as
duke<duckgumbo32@cox.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay) wrote:
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real.
It really bothers me that so many people think that it is not real.
I believe in your fairy Duke. In fact there is a fairy sitting on my
shoulder right now as I type this. He's whispering in my ear and
saying unclean things about that Duke guy.
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conceived." - Isaac Asimov
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist at church |
14 Dec 2003 09:44:47 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:34:48 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay) wrote:
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real.
It really bothers me that so many people think that it is not real.
Ohhh, Dooky. I'd feel for you if I could reach down that low.
It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically. Anyway, that's my rant for the month.
Sad. Logically speaking, all pretty much demands the existance of almighty God.
To be eternally stupid, yes. And you do such a good job of it, Earl.
So sad.
--
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander each
other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any sort of
agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head of its own
with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it wins over to its
side."
- Celsus (2nd century C.E.)
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rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist at church |
15 Dec 2003 01:26:23 AM |
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:bfbqtv4qvjjp2vu8ihs605bg502qefs24c@Pern.rk:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:34:48 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> posted
in alt.atheism:
On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay)
wrote:
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real.
It really bothers me that so many people think that it is not real.
Ohhh, Dooky. I'd feel for you if I could reach down that low.
I wanna know what else realllly bothers him so I can try some of them, too.
I don't care if it's in a fully-itemized spreadsheet (arranged according to
offensiveness) or just a paragraph's worth (comma delinieated). Someone
will have to reply to it for me to see it, though, as I've got the old boy
muzzled.
--
Dr. Smartass
BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
Dissent is not a right.
It is a RESPONSIBILITY.
--me.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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14 Dec 2003 07:46:47 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach duke:
On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay)
wrote:
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real.
It really bothers me that so many people think that it is not real.
Discarding wishful thinking, what makes you think it actually is?
It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically. Anyway, that's my rant for the month.
Sad. Logically speaking, all pretty much demands the existance of
almighty God.
And an almighty godmaker, if you think things through.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart, "There is no God".
The wise man announces it to the world.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist at church |
14 Dec 2003 11:27:11 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 14 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800, (LisaKay) wrote:
Does anyone else get depressed when dealing directly with the
sillyness of christianity? It really bothers me that so many people
think all of this is real.
It really bothers me that so many people think that it is not real...
...the truth does not bother me, nor common sense!
It sometimes seems so hopeless to try to
teach their children about science when they clearly can't think
logically. Anyway, that's my rant for the month.
Sad. Logically speaking, all pretty much demands the existance of almighty God.
It might be an idea to ask the 'Almighty' to prove his existance by appearing!
The very term 'almighty;' is a dead giveaway to the early times of Christianity
when folks needed an almighty controller, as the law was pretty useless.
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