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"Gary DeWaay" |
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05 Nov 2004 11:50:38 AM |
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An atheist church? |
What if I started a church that practiced and studied atheism? Would I be
able to get all the perks? The tax breaks, and as the pastor, not having
to pay SS, etc.
It would be practicing faith, because there clearly is no evidence either
way that god exists, so it takes faith to be an atheist.
I would discuss my views pertaining to my faith, and discuss the myths of
the bible, and I'd pass the plate and take donations that would cover the
expenses of the church and my salary, same as any church.
What are the laws for a church to be recognized?
Pardon if this has been discussed before.
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Gary
Are we feeling united yet?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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15 Nov 2004 07:47:54 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:26:40 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Why the bitter paranoid anger Stoney?
Why the lies Gary?
Why do you refuse to identify these "lies" Chris?
Have a beer and relax.
Have a wank.
Gary DeWaay wrote:
Grow up.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Gary, this is no place for an agnostic wanting a decent conversation or
to
have questions about atheism answered. Mostly a food-fight.
Why don't you fucking leave then already?
Do these morons honestly imagine the personal falsehoods they use as
ad hominem excuse to ignore what is said, aren't lies?
And let us not forget, georgann is NEVER condescending. She said so
herself. Of course, she's a well-known liar.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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15 Nov 2004 07:51:20 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:47:54 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:ntahp09pvjjera7cr7flhv0k71gmhs3clf@4ax.com...
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:26:40 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BDBE08F4.351B5%chenault@mindspring.com...
Why the bitter paranoid anger Stoney?
Why the lies Gary?
Why do you refuse to identify these "lies" Chris?
Have a beer and relax.
Have a wank.
Gary DeWaay wrote:
Grow up.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Gary, this is no place for an agnostic wanting a decent conversation or
to
have questions about atheism answered. Mostly a food-fight.
Why don't you fucking leave then already?
Do these morons honestly imagine the personal falsehoods they use as
ad hominem excuse to ignore what is said, aren't lies?
And let us not forget, georgann is NEVER condescending. She said so
herself. Of course, she's a well-known liar.
I know. But she'll accuse you of name-calling because you can't
address her non-existent point.
It's also revealing who Gary's fan club is.
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist church? |
15 Nov 2004 05:16:37 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee's wisdom:
And let us not forget, georgann is NEVER condescending. She said so
herself. Of course, she's a well-known liar.
I know. But she'll accuse you of name-calling because you can't
address her non-existent point.
It's also revealing who Gary's fan club is.
LOL. And to think I considered killfiling you. You are a hoot!
I've been dealing with the looniness of "Borgann" for many many years (5?)
I don't take her seriously.
FWIW, I think she is a hoot also.
--
Gary
Pretty sure C. A. Lee compartmentalized the fact that Georgann addressed
me as an "agnostic" in order for him to continue calling me a liar.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist church? |
15 Nov 2004 05:34:54 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:16:37 -0600, Gary DeWaay
<dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee's wisdom:
And let us not forget, georgann is NEVER condescending. She said so
herself. Of course, she's a well-known liar.
I know. But she'll accuse you of name-calling because you can't
address her non-existent point.
It's also revealing who Gary's fan club is.
LOL. And to think I considered killfiling you. You are a hoot!
But I notice you snipped your lie about Stoney's "paranoid anger".
If you hadn't used a lie as an excuse for an ad hominem, you wouldn't
have been called a liar.
I've been dealing with the looniness of "Borgann" for many many years (5?)
I don't take her seriously.
FWIW, I think she is a hoot also.
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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15 Nov 2004 11:06:13 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee's wisdom:
LOL. And to think I considered killfiling you. You are a hoot!
But I notice you snipped your lie about Stoney's "paranoid anger".
If you hadn't used a lie as an excuse for an ad hominem, you wouldn't
have been called a liar.
Heh heh. Ok C.A.L...
Prove how anybodies opinion can be a lie.
--
Gary
Are we feeling united yet?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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16 Nov 2004 02:57:32 AM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:06:13 -0600, Gary DeWaay
<dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote:
Christopher A. Lee's wisdom:
LOL. And to think I considered killfiling you. You are a hoot!
But I notice you snipped your lie about Stoney's "paranoid anger".
If you hadn't used a lie as an excuse for an ad hominem, you wouldn't
have been called a liar.
Heh heh. Ok C.A.L...
Prove how anybodies opinion can be a lie.
So point out where you said it was opinion at the time.
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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16 Nov 2004 09:38:43 AM |
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Christopher A. Lee's wisdom:
LOL. And to think I considered killfiling you. You are a hoot!
But I notice you snipped your lie about Stoney's "paranoid anger".
If you hadn't used a lie as an excuse for an ad hominem, you wouldn't
have been called a liar.
Heh heh. Ok C.A.L...
Prove how anybodies opinion can be a lie.
So point out where you said it was opinion at the time.
Most normal people can distinguish when a person is stating an opinion, or
stating a fact.
"You are paranoid and angry" is an opinion.
"The sun rises in the East" is a statement of fact.
Hope this helps.
Gary
Are we feeling united yet?
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| User: "Zinnic" |
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17 Nov 2004 01:44:55 PM |
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Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.1c03db01531339e3989b3a@news.midco.net>...
Christopher A. Lee's wisdom:
LOL. And to think I considered killfiling you. You are a hoot!
But I notice you snipped your lie about Stoney's "paranoid anger".
If you hadn't used a lie as an excuse for an ad hominem, you wouldn't
have been called a liar.
Heh heh. Ok C.A.L...
Prove how anybodies opinion can be a lie.
So point out where you said it was opinion at the time.
Most normal people can distinguish when a person is stating an opinion, or
stating a fact.
"You are paranoid and angry" is an opinion.
"The sun rises in the East" is a statement of fact.
Not if you are standing on the North or South poles! So much for facts! :-)
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Nov 2004 02:24:21 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:19:18 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Why the bitter paranoid anger Stoney?
Why the lies Gary?
Why do you refuse to identify these "lies" Chris?
Have a beer and relax.
Have a wank.
Gary DeWaay wrote:
Grow up.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Gary, this is no place for an agnostic wanting a decent conversation or to
have questions about atheism answered. Mostly a food-fight.
Gary had no interest in conversation. Neither do you.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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16 Nov 2004 05:28:35 PM |
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stoney's wisdom:
Gary, this is no place for an agnostic wanting a decent conversation or to
have questions about atheism answered. Mostly a food-fight.
Gary had no interest in conversation. Neither do you.
What was my interest Stoney?
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Gary
Are we feeling united yet?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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16 Nov 2004 09:29:39 PM |
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"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c04491aca1b1463989b3f@news.midco.net...
stoney's wisdom:
Gary, this is no place for an agnostic wanting a decent conversation or
to
have questions about atheism answered. Mostly a food-fight.
Gary had no interest in conversation. Neither do you.
What was my interest Stoney?
Look, you got one? Then say it and stop the silly *****.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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16 Nov 2004 09:59:54 PM |
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Robibnikoff's wisdom:
Gary, this is no place for an agnostic wanting a decent conversation or
to
have questions about atheism answered. Mostly a food-fight.
Gary had no interest in conversation. Neither do you.
What was my interest Stoney?
Look, you got one? Then say it and stop the silly *****.
My interests?
I asked some questions and debated my opinions about atheists with
atheists in an atheist NG. I had some questions into my own atheistic
leanings.
If some of the regulars that are pointing fingers at me have some sort of
omniscient insight into my supposed ulterior motives here, I suggest they
share them with me.
I find people professing to omniscience fascinating.
Fair enough?
--
Gary
Are we feeling united yet?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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16 Nov 2004 10:09:06 PM |
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"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c0488ac8376b0f989b44@news.midco.net...
Robibnikoff's wisdom:
Gary, this is no place for an agnostic wanting a decent conversation
or
to
have questions about atheism answered. Mostly a food-fight.
Gary had no interest in conversation. Neither do you.
What was my interest Stoney?
Look, you got one? Then say it and stop the silly *****.
My interests?
I asked some questions and debated my opinions about atheists with
atheists in an atheist NG. I had some questions into my own atheistic
leanings.
If some of the regulars that are pointing fingers at me have some sort of
omniscient insight into my supposed ulterior motives here, I suggest they
share them with me.
I find people professing to omniscience fascinating.
Fair enough?
No, not really. I think you came in here with some preconceived ideas and
had a hissy fit when people disagreed
Fair enough?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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17 Nov 2004 12:23:52 AM |
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Robibnikoff's wisdom:
My interests?
I asked some questions and debated my opinions about atheists with
atheists in an atheist NG. I had some questions into my own atheistic
leanings.
If some of the regulars that are pointing fingers at me have some sort of
omniscient insight into my supposed ulterior motives here, I suggest they
share them with me.
I find people professing to omniscience fascinating.
Fair enough?
No, not really. I think you came in here with some preconceived ideas and
had a hissy fit when people disagreed
Fair enough?
Oh my.
And from the actions of some of the regulars in this thread, I can
understand how this NG is deemed as a hissy fit free zone.
My bad.
Carry on...
--
Gary
Are we feeling united yet?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Nov 2004 05:31:25 AM |
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"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c04aa771558da07989b4c@news.midco.net...
Robibnikoff's wisdom:
My interests?
I asked some questions and debated my opinions about atheists with
atheists in an atheist NG. I had some questions into my own atheistic
leanings.
If some of the regulars that are pointing fingers at me have some sort
of
omniscient insight into my supposed ulterior motives here, I suggest
they
share them with me.
I find people professing to omniscience fascinating.
Fair enough?
No, not really. I think you came in here with some preconceived ideas
and
had a hissy fit when people disagreed
Fair enough?
Oh my.
And from the actions of some of the regulars in this thread, I can
understand how this NG is deemed as a hissy fit free zone.
My bad.
Carry on...
Whatever. You've proved yourself an obnoxious waste of time. Plonkeroonie.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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17 Nov 2004 10:12:47 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:31:25 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c04aa771558da07989b4c@news.midco.net...
Robibnikoff's wisdom:
My interests?
I asked some questions and debated my opinions about atheists with
atheists in an atheist NG. I had some questions into my own atheistic
leanings.
If some of the regulars that are pointing fingers at me have some sort
of
omniscient insight into my supposed ulterior motives here, I suggest
they
share them with me.
I find people professing to omniscience fascinating.
Fair enough?
No, not really. I think you came in here with some preconceived ideas
and
had a hissy fit when people disagreed
Fair enough?
Oh my.
And from the actions of some of the regulars in this thread, I can
understand how this NG is deemed as a hissy fit free zone.
My bad.
Carry on...
Whatever. You've proved yourself an obnoxious waste of time. Plonkeroonie.
I really have no patience for the brain dead at this point in time.
I've got more interesting things to do.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Nov 2004 10:20:25 AM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:31:25 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c04aa771558da07989b4c@news.midco.net...
Robibnikoff's wisdom:
My interests?
I asked some questions and debated my opinions about atheists with
atheists in an atheist NG. I had some questions into my own
atheistic
leanings.
If some of the regulars that are pointing fingers at me have some
sort
of
omniscient insight into my supposed ulterior motives here, I suggest
they
share them with me.
I find people professing to omniscience fascinating.
Fair enough?
No, not really. I think you came in here with some preconceived ideas
and
had a hissy fit when people disagreed
Fair enough?
Oh my.
And from the actions of some of the regulars in this thread, I can
understand how this NG is deemed as a hissy fit free zone.
My bad.
Carry on...
Whatever. You've proved yourself an obnoxious waste of time.
Plonkeroonie.
I really have no patience for the brain dead at this point in time.
I've got more interesting things to do.
Me too. Like..............RAKE THE LEAVES!! Arrrrrrrgh!
Dragged 15+ bags of leaves from the bag to the front as today is the last
town leaf pickup. My back is killing me!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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18 Nov 2004 02:42:29 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:20:25 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:v0ump092bg8hpkh2icvqkk3vubrukirn04@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:31:25 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c04aa771558da07989b4c@news.midco.net...
Robibnikoff's wisdom:
My interests?
I asked some questions and debated my opinions about atheists with
atheists in an atheist NG. I had some questions into my own
atheistic
leanings.
If some of the regulars that are pointing fingers at me have some
sort
of
omniscient insight into my supposed ulterior motives here, I suggest
they
share them with me.
I find people professing to omniscience fascinating.
Fair enough?
No, not really. I think you came in here with some preconceived ideas
and
had a hissy fit when people disagreed
Fair enough?
Oh my.
And from the actions of some of the regulars in this thread, I can
understand how this NG is deemed as a hissy fit free zone.
My bad.
Carry on...
Whatever. You've proved yourself an obnoxious waste of time.
Plonkeroonie.
I really have no patience for the brain dead at this point in time.
I've got more interesting things to do.
Me too. Like..............RAKE THE LEAVES!! Arrrrrrrgh!
Dragged 15+ bags of leaves from the bag to the front as today is the last
town leaf pickup. My back is killing me!
/stirring the pot mode
Leaves? Leaves. Oh, those things littering the ground several miles
away.
/cues RUNS very fast! :)
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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18 Nov 2004 03:12:49 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:p62qp09nkkd09hs3r2jcsm9iaa1hd16gfr@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:20:25 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:v0ump092bg8hpkh2icvqkk3vubrukirn04@4ax.com...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:31:25 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Gary DeWaay" <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c04aa771558da07989b4c@news.midco.net...
Robibnikoff's wisdom:
My interests?
I asked some questions and debated my opinions about atheists with
atheists in an atheist NG. I had some questions into my own
atheistic
leanings.
If some of the regulars that are pointing fingers at me have some
sort
of
omniscient insight into my supposed ulterior motives here, I
suggest
they
share them with me.
I find people professing to omniscience fascinating.
Fair enough?
No, not really. I think you came in here with some preconceived
ideas
and
had a hissy fit when people disagreed
Fair enough?
Oh my.
And from the actions of some of the regulars in this thread, I can
understand how this NG is deemed as a hissy fit free zone.
My bad.
Carry on...
Whatever. You've proved yourself an obnoxious waste of time.
Plonkeroonie.
I really have no patience for the brain dead at this point in time.
I've got more interesting things to do.
Me too. Like..............RAKE THE LEAVES!! Arrrrrrrgh!
Dragged 15+ bags of leaves from the bag to the front as today is the last
town leaf pickup. My back is killing me!
/stirring the pot mode
Leaves? Leaves. Oh, those things littering the ground several miles
away.
Grrrrrr! Had to put my damn hand brace back on - all this leaf raking
aggravated my arthitis :P
/cues RUNS very fast! :)
Nerts to you!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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17 Nov 2004 06:10:31 AM |
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In article <MPG.1c04aa771558da07989b4c@news.midco.net>,
Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote:
Oh my.
And from the actions of some of the regulars in this thread, I can
understand how this NG is deemed as a hissy fit free zone.
My bad.
Carry on...
Gary, for what it's worth, I think some people here have been harder on
you than what you deserved. Don't take it personally. This group
includes a much higher than average selection of people who've taken a
lot of abuse from religiously-minded folk, and who have a lower than
average tolerance for things that smack of religion. I've taken my
share of abuse here, but I've also found that there are a number of folk
here who will give me a fair and intelligent--if sometimes
pointed--critique of my ideas. My advice would be to go ahead and post
here, and if you get back an unduly hostile reply, just ignore it and
focus on the ones who give you the kind of reply you want.
On the other hand, sometimes it's kinda fun to match retort for retort,
and if you've a mind to enter the lists for that kind of joust, you'll
find plenty of opportunities here.
Just be selective, and remember that your choice of what you respond to
determines what your experience here will be like. But bring extra
flame-retardant undies along, just in case :)
Mark Nutter
manutter51@alethian.org
http://www.alethian.org/ -- Information about Alethea, a
non-superstitious God, and about Alethian faith and practice.
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17 Nov 2004 05:19:06 PM |
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Mark Nutter's wisdom:
In article <MPG.1c04aa771558da07989b4c@news.midco.net>,
Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> wrote:
Oh my.
And from the actions of some of the regulars in this thread, I can
understand how this NG is deemed as a hissy fit free zone.
My bad.
Carry on...
Gary, for what it's worth, I think some people here have been harder on
you than what you deserved.
Thank you.
Don't take it personally.
I'm not.
This group
includes a much higher than average selection of people who've taken a
lot of abuse from religiously-minded folk, and who have a lower than
average tolerance for things that smack of religion.
So IOW, some are sick of intolerance and finger pointing from the theists,
thus they respond to everyone with intolerance and finger pointing?
Let's just say I had better hopes.
I've taken my
share of abuse here, but I've also found that there are a number of folk
here who will give me a fair and intelligent--if sometimes
pointed--critique of my ideas. My advice would be to go ahead and post
here, and if you get back an unduly hostile reply, just ignore it
I'd be lying to say I don't enjoy some of the hostility on Usenet, I was
just surprised at where it was coming from.
and
focus on the ones who give you the kind of reply you want.
I tried to be appreciative of the people like yourself that gave serious,
non-hostile replies.
On the other hand, sometimes it's kinda fun to match retort for retort,
and if you've a mind to enter the lists for that kind of joust, you'll
find plenty of opportunities here.
Just be selective, and remember that your choice of what you respond to
determines what your experience here will be like. But bring extra
flame-retardant undies along, just in case :)
Usenet is not for wimps.
Mark Nutter
manutter51@alethian.org
http://www.alethian.org/ -- Information about Alethea, a
non-superstitious God, and about Alethian faith and practice.
I checked this out BTW. Kinda interesting.
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Gary
Are we feeling united yet?
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17 Nov 2004 12:37:38 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 00:23:52 -0600, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net>
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Robibnikoff's wisdom:
And from the actions of some of the regulars in this thread, I can
understand how this NG is deemed as a hissy fit free zone.
My bad.
In the manners department, most certainly.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist church? |
17 Nov 2004 12:36:15 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:59:54 -0600, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net>
wrote:
My interests?
I asked some questions and debated my opinions about atheists with
atheists in an atheist NG.
Well there is where your problem starts.
You see; We don't give a *****. for your opinion of atheists.
But, out of a desire to correct the erroneous information, put about by xtian
fanatics, we try to explain, as we have done, over and over again, times beyond
counting.
We have been asked, on occasion, by people who genuinely do not know
what an atheist is, but who have been given a xtian fanatic's definition of what
an atheist should be.
These are usually easily settled.
However, the most common questions come from the religious fanatics, who are
easily identified by their style of questioning, and oft times, by their very
assertions of atheism of agnosticism.
Such assertions as " I am/was an atheist, I hate/d Jesus/god", is typical of
someone who is talking through his arse. So also is "I am an agnostic, I don't
know what to believe", and various other claims along the same lines.
Where such assertions are not made, the fanatic gives him self away in other
ways.
He will claim ignorance, and when his question is answered, will deny the
answer, and give us, instead, a fundy xtian, definition, or will give us xtian
fanatic, arguments, as to why *our definition, is wrong.
Most fundies, give us a mixture of these.
A mixture, is what you have been giving us.
One of the reasons that they do this, as I have mentioned before, is to try and
refute our argument, that an educated atheist, will not, or perhaps more
correctly, cannot, convert to xtianity.
In order to refute us, they come in here, and claim to be an atheist. They then
behave in a manner which leaves no doubt in our minds, as to what they are.
Some, have enough intelligence to realise when the jig is up, and quietly fade
away. Others persist, and have the "miraculous conversion", that they
originally planned.
....Much to no-one's surprise.
And some just keep trying to convince us.
I had some questions into my own atheistic
leanings.
Which, when answered, you questioned or denied the answers, with xtian fanatic
arguments.
If some of the regulars that are pointing fingers at me have some sort of
omniscient insight into my supposed ulterior motives here,
There you go again, those same childish, fundy arguments, denying anything that
you do not like
I suggest they
share them with me.
I believe that I have.
Twice now.
I find people professing to omniscience fascinating.
Once more, you utter your typically dishonest, fundy assertions.
No one is making any claims for omniscience. All that is being said is that we
have had years of experience with xtians, in these NGs.
Their attitudes, and arguments are well known to us.
You are making fundy arguments, and showing fundy attitudes.
In these groups, we apply a simple test: If it walks like a duck, and quacks
like a duck, then until we have evidence to the contrary, we will keep the
oranges handy.
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist church? |
17 Nov 2004 07:55:04 PM |
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Dubh Ghall's wisdom:
<snip to the chase>
I find people professing to omniscience fascinating.
Once more, you utter your typically dishonest, fundy assertions.
No one is making any claims for omniscience.
Except for the people that claim to know I am dishonest and yet have no
proof or examples of such. And the others that claim to know my
intentions and yet have no proof of such.
Is this not the definition of "omniscience"?
All that is being said is that we
have had years of experience with xtians, in these NGs.
Which has seemed to turn some of you into bitter, angry, abusive people.
It seems to me the theists are winning.
Their attitudes, and arguments are well known to us.
You are making fundy arguments, and showing fundy attitudes.
And I challenged all the people pointing fingers at me to look through my
extensive (seven year?) posting history on Usenet to find a SHRED of
actual proof of such.
Funny nobody came up with any?
Pardon me for being an atheist agnostic that doesn't think all theists are
insane or something.
Is this a prerequisite to being an atheist?
In these groups, we apply a simple test: If it walks like a duck, and quacks
like a duck, then until we have evidence to the contrary,
You didn't LOOK for evidence to the contrary, is my point.
Your mind was already made up IS MY POINT. Does this behaviour remind you
of any particular groups of people you profess to despise?
we will keep the
oranges handy.
It seems to be "If anything has duck-like behaviour, shoot it."
--
Gary
Are we feeling united yet?
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist church? |
18 Nov 2004 07:24:47 AM |
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Dubh Ghall's wisdom:
Once more, you utter your typically dishonest, fundy assertions.
No one is making any claims for omniscience.
Gary DeWaay wrote:
Except for the people that claim to know I am dishonest and yet have no
proof or examples of such. And the others that claim to know my
intentions and yet have no proof of such.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Gary, I think you've been mistaken for a theist and they don't hear what
you're saying very well because of all the noise in their heads.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist church? |
18 Nov 2004 07:47:38 AM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BDC20CCE.360E7%chenault@mindspring.com...
Dubh Ghall's wisdom:
Once more, you utter your typically dishonest, fundy assertions.
No one is making any claims for omniscience.
Gary DeWaay wrote:
Except for the people that claim to know I am dishonest and yet have no
proof or examples of such. And the others that claim to know my
intentions and yet have no proof of such.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Gary, I think you've been mistaken for a theist and they don't hear what
you're saying very well because of all the noise in their heads.
Oh please, get over yourself, *****. I'd rather have "noise in my head"
then going around thinking that if I burn some incense, Satan's going to
show up in my living room.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Gary DeWaay" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist church? |
18 Nov 2004 08:54:37 AM |
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georgann's wisdom:
Except for the people that claim to know I am dishonest and yet have no
proof or examples of such. And the others that claim to know my
intentions and yet have no proof of such.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Gary, I think you've been mistaken for a theist
Amazing to me considering just a few months ago I was asked in the Laura
forum why I hate Christians so much.
and they don't hear what
you're saying very well because of all the noise in their heads.
I'm simply trying to point out that some of their behaviours is VERY
similar to the behaviours that drives them so crazy about theists.
Their minds are made up about something and are too lazy to seek the
truth... thus they ATTACK.
Others have been very helpful.
--
Gary
Are we feeling united yet?
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| User: "georgann" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist church? |
18 Nov 2004 06:44:41 PM |
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Gary DeWaay wrote:
I'm simply trying to point out that some of their behaviours is VERY similar
to the behaviours that drives them so crazy about theists.
Their minds are made up about something and are too lazy to seek the truth...
thus they ATTACK.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Welcome to the other side. No matter what side one is on the other side is
ugly about you. Go figure.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
"As Benjamin Franklin left the State House in Philadelphia
on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
http://www.boingboing.net/images/Purple-USA.jpg
http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist church? |
18 Nov 2004 06:50:26 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BDC2AC28.36398%chenault@mindspring.com...
Gary DeWaay wrote:
I'm simply trying to point out that some of their behaviours is VERY
similar
to the behaviours that drives them so crazy about theists.
Their minds are made up about something and are too lazy to seek the
truth...
thus they ATTACK.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Welcome to the other side. No matter what side one is on the other side is
ugly about you. Go figure.
6th time in two days - Oh, the irony.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: An atheist church? |
18 Nov 2004 10:13:06 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:55:04 -0600, Gary DeWaay <dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net>
wrote:
Dubh Ghall's wisdom:
<snip to the chase>
I find people professing to omniscience fascinating.
Once more, you utter your typically dishonest, fundy assertions.
No one is making any claims for omniscience.
Except for the people that claim to know I am dishonest and yet have no
proof or examples of such.
So inventing positions for us, that we do not hold, is not dishonest?
Interesting.
And the others that claim to know my
intentions and yet have no proof of such.
If you come into my garden, and start telling what I like, do not like, or what
you think should be there, I am not going to ask what your intentions are, but
I am sure that you can surmise what my reaction will be.
<continued below>
Is this not the definition of "omniscience"?
I can add a string of figures, or read a page of text, and use the result. I can
recognise just about every wild life form, found in the British Isles, plant
animal or fungii, and list it's effects, eceological and other, under most
circumstances, and use the information.
Does any of that, make me omniscient?
Of course not. All it does is show that I am capable of observation, and of
making predictions based on such observation.
So why does the simple recognition of specific traits in a human, make me, or
anyone else, omniscient?
All that is being said is that we
have had years of experience with xtians, in these NGs.
Which has seemed to turn some of you into bitter, angry, abusive people.
Once more, you make the kind of assertions, normally associated with xtian
fanatics. Anybody who does not conform to their architype, or take their crap,
lying down, is "bitter, angry, and abusive".
It seems to me the theists are winning.
It always seems thus, to theists.
Their attitudes, and arguments are well known to us.
You are making fundy arguments, and showing fundy attitudes.
And I challenged all the people pointing fingers at me to look through my
extensive (seven year?) posting history on Usenet to find a SHRED of
actual proof of such.
Funny nobody came up with any?
Perhaps no one is interested in what you did yesterday, only in what you are
doing today.
Pardon me for being an atheist agnostic that doesn't think all theists are
insane or something.
Is this a prerequisite to being an atheist?
Define, "atheist", and "agnostic". Your definition.
In these groups, we apply a simple test: If it walks like a duck, and quacks
like a duck, then until we have evidence to the contrary,
You didn't LOOK for evidence to the contrary, is my point.
True. But then; Why should we?
What evidence is there?
Your mind was already made up IS MY POINT. Does this behaviour remind you
of any particular groups of people you profess to despise?
I don't know.
Remind me again: Who is it I dispise?
we will keep the
oranges handy.
It seems to be "If anything has duck-like behaviour, shoot it."
Oh dear.
The whoosh, you heard, was Duck la Oranj, going right over your head.
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