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"Greywolf" |
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26 Aug 2007 10:20:23 AM |
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An Eye-Opening Revelation |
I've just watched a religious program, Dr. James Kennedy's 'The Coral Ridge
Hour' that aired a 'special' titled, 'Darwin's Deadly Legacy'. It featured
that scintillating expert on Darwinian evolution and human origins, Ann
Coulter.
What did I learn?
I learned that prior to Darwin, mass-murder, genocide, ethnic-cleansing,
communism, and man's inhumanity to man could not *possibly* have existed
because all that came into being as a result of the teaching of evolution.
The major religions, as we all know, preach peace and tolerance -- love of
fellow man. What an evil creature that Darwin turned out to be. No doubt a
victim of 'God's' perfectly created Satan and his supernatural evil ability
to corrupt otherwise good, decent, men of science. The *****!
I'm still not sure if Karl Marx is responsible for the extermination of
millions because of his socio-economic theories and his belief in Darwinian
evolution that ultimately led to Communism and Stalin and the 'God
believers' that supported him. (I wonder if there's another 'Stalin' lurking
in a Catholic school science classroom where evolution is being taught
somewhere, someplace. Heaven forbid, eh'?)
Was there enough evidence presented to suggest that Creationism and
Intelligent Design lie behind the 'true' origins of humankind and relegate
evolution to a religious cult composed of evolutionary scientists and the
millions of evolution's world-wide supporters who worship at the same altar?
Well you would most certainly think so listening to the likes of Anne
Coulter, Jonathan Wells, Michael Behe and others. But the *truly* convincing
proof of mankind's origins came in the form of close-up shots of the
scientific opening pages of Genesis that were highlighted. Now if *that*
isn't proof that our scientists don't have the slightest clue as to the
nature of mankind's origins and that evolution is an out-and-out lie, a
hoax, I don't know what is.
The impression I was left with at the end of the program is: Thank
*goodness* an Imaginary 'God' left us religion that has led to harmony, love
of fellow man and world peace. I am also comforted by the fact that prior to
Darwin, belief in 'God', evidently, had all mankind living in peace,
harmony, and loving bliss. If only we can eradicate belief in evolution and
return to those pre-Darwin days of world peace and tranquility, I mused, and
believe in the true 'original' God once again, the 'God' that created Adam
and Eve, that childless 'God' of the Jews, Yahweh, once again, eh'? Yeah,
and monkey's fly out my butt.
It's programs such as 'Darwin's Deadly Legacy' that is helping to bring our
beloved country to its knees, not necessarily belief in God. The extremists
have turned the faiths of Islam and Christianity on their collective ear and
have used Joseph Goebbels-style propaganda to cause irreparable divisiveness
among us. Their aggressive assault on our senses is retarded. These people
lie and distort without conscience. And all for a belief they cannot
*possibly* prove to be true. Why can't they be like the more 'moderate'
Christians, Muslims, and Jews among us? Just what *is* it with these
delirious people? Why do they insist on maintaining 'right' is 'wrong' and
that those who don't share their views, 'evil'?
It's called sheer madness. And it pains me to no end that in attacking these
malevolent idiots we end up hurting the sensibilities of good, moral,
virtuous, noble-minded God-believers who shouldn't have to be subject to
such assaults. (Faith, after all is *still* a 'personal' consideration). One
calls *that*, sadly, 'collateral damage'. But are we to just stand by and
let these people try and destroy our country one congressional district at a
time?
Greywolf
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: An Eye-Opening Revelation |
27 Aug 2007 12:23:54 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:20:23 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
It's programs such as 'Darwin's Deadly Legacy' that is helping to bring our
beloved country to its knees, not necessarily belief in God.
Sure it's belief in God. If no one believed in God, no station would
air a program like that, except maybe PBS stations, as comedy.
It's called sheer madness. And it pains me to no end that in attacking these
malevolent idiots we end up hurting the sensibilities of good, moral,
virtuous, noble-minded God-believers
Good, moral, virtuous people don't believe in gods. Not once they're
old enough to think rationally. It's the destruction of the
capability of rational thought that allows such a destructive meme as
Christianity to flourish.
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: An Eye-Opening Revelation |
28 Aug 2007 10:22:15 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:20:23 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
It's programs such as 'Darwin's Deadly Legacy' that is helping to bring
our
beloved country to its knees, not necessarily belief in God.
Sure it's belief in God. If no one believed in God, no station would
air a program like that, except maybe PBS stations, as comedy.
PBS wouldn't air that piece of deceit because PBS programming personnel
would recognize it for what is ... anti-science, pro-religious propaganda.
I don't believe belief in 'God' per se is helping to tear apart the fabric
of our society and bringing our beloved country to its knees; it's *fanatic*
belief in imaginary 'God' that is bringing that about. We have a whole
nation chock-full of 'God believers' who, nevertheless, fully recognize the
danger of fanatical belief in 'God' poses and are just bristling with
resentment towards the nut-cakes. One Reverend Dr. Welton Gaddy of 'State of
Belief' (Air America Radio) fame and President of the Interfaith Alliance
comes readily to mind as just one of these Christian stalwarts. (He's
actually had on Wiccans on and showed them the most courteous of gracious
tolerance!)
If we have to live side-by-side with the Christian we have to respect those
of noble heart and conscience because they are most certainly entitled to
believe what they want to believe. But respect is a two-way street. We
should garner grudging respect from our morally upright Christian family
members, friends, co-workers and neighbors too -- if only for the fact that
in any serious theological debate we could mop the floor up with them:
*respectfully*, of course. We have to give the good Christian their due --
if nothing else, for just being a 'good' human being with all that that
entails.
It's called sheer madness. And it pains me to no end that in attacking
these
malevolent idiots we end up hurting the sensibilities of good, moral,
virtuous, noble-minded God-believers
Good, moral, virtuous people don't believe in gods.
They do. Although one seriously suspects their moral and virtuous behavior
may be tethered to a belief in being 'rewarded' a thousand-fold in some
after-life of one sort or another for their reward-driven 'goodness'. Then
there are those religious people who aren't all *that* 'God' or religion
crazy but do 'good' things simply for the pleasure and joy they themselves
derive from doing 'good'.
Not once they're
old enough to think rationally. It's the destruction of the
capability of rational thought that allows such a destructive meme as
Christianity to flourish.
Oh the whole Jesus/God belief-system is irrational as all hell. But what are
you going to do. They believe the stuff -- to the point of willing to die or
worse, kill for their imaginary deity. That's life, sorry to say. We should
just thank our lucky stars *we're* not slaves to religion, eh'?
A parting note: My life is literally in the hands of some honorable,
'God-loving', 'God-fearing' Christians of good heart and conscience. If they
prevail, they will have brought about the demise of 'Christians' of the most
foul order. I've got a dog in this fight. I have to hope that in my case the
'Good' Christians prevail over the ones that make you want to take a good,
long, leisurely ***** all over. I'm speaking of those 'Christians' who have
no business calling themselves 'Christians'. But too, you wish *all* of them
would learn to recognize just how irrational their belief-system truly is.
Greywolf
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: An Eye-Opening Revelation |
27 Aug 2007 01:13:29 PM |
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On Aug 27, 1:23 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
Good, moral, virtuous people don't believe in gods. Not once they're
old enough to think rationally. It's the destruction of the
capability of rational thought that allows such a destructive meme as
Christianity to flourish.
I disagree, moral and virtuous people believe in Gods. Belief in
deities, as a basic meme, does make you any less likely to be moral or
virtuous. None the less, it is allows for irrationality...which is far
more likely to result in a sevely villianous conclusion because it can
be used to assert an absolute moral order and to classify some group
as something less than human, and undeserving of compassion.
Now preaching your deity belief, on the other hand, does tip the
tables, because those that preach are out to rework the world to match
their conclusion, or are out to use said delusions of the masses for
their poltical ends. In either of these cases....the likelyhood the
preacher is virtuous drops dramatically.
Hatter
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: An Eye-Opening Revelation |
28 Aug 2007 10:37:07 PM |
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"Hatter" <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 27, 1:23 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
Good, moral, virtuous people don't believe in gods. Not once they're
old enough to think rationally. It's the destruction of the
capability of rational thought that allows such a destructive meme as
Christianity to flourish.
I disagree, moral and virtuous people believe in Gods. Belief in
deities, as a basic meme, does make you any less likely to be moral or
virtuous. None the less, it is allows for irrationality...which is far
more likely to result in a sevely villianous conclusion because it can
be used to assert an absolute moral order and to classify some group
as something less than human, and undeserving of compassion.
And there's that snooty, comtemptuous, condescending, arrogance of moral
superiority some of the 'faithful' exhibit with abandon. Who in the hell are
*they* with that 'Holier than thou' stuff? Puhhhhlleeeeeze!
Now preaching your deity belief, on the other hand, does tip the
tables, because those that preach are out to rework the world to match
their conclusion, or are out to use said delusions of the masses for
their poltical ends. In either of these cases....the likelyhood the
preacher is virtuous drops dramatically.
Control-freaks on steroids -- in a manner of speaking. And *boy* do they
ever know non-existent 'God's' thoughts and views on anything you'd care to
name! They've got some kinda 'chutzpah', don't they?
Greywolf
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: An Eye-Opening Revelation |
27 Aug 2007 05:25:45 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:13:29 -0700, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 27, 1:23 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
Good, moral, virtuous people don't believe in gods. Not once they're
old enough to think rationally. It's the destruction of the
capability of rational thought that allows such a destructive meme as
Christianity to flourish.
I disagree, moral and virtuous people believe in Gods. Belief in
deities, as a basic meme, does make you any less likely to be moral or
virtuous.
If you're moral, why would you need the moral rules of some god to
know how to live? Especially since the moral system of just about
every single god ever conceived of by man has immoral parts?
(Religions like Deism, with no moral rules, and Wicca, with but one,
are notable exceptions.)
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: An Eye-Opening Revelation |
28 Aug 2007 08:27:34 AM |
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On Aug 27, 6:25 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:13:29 -0700,Hatter<Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 27, 1:23 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
Good, moral, virtuous people don't believe in gods. Not once they're
old enough to think rationally. It's the destruction of the
capability of rational thought that allows such a destructive meme as
Christianity to flourish.
I disagree, moral and virtuous people believe in Gods. Belief in
deities, as a basic meme, does make you any less likely to be moral or
virtuous.
If you're moral, why would you need the moral rules of some god to
know how to live? Especially since the moral system of just about
every single god ever conceived of by man has immoral parts?
(Religions like Deism, with no moral rules, and Wicca, with but one,
are notable exceptions.)
You wouldn't NEED religion...that is true. But a moral person COULD
have religion, as long as their moral filters filtered out the
villianous parts of said religion. It would take some selective non-
thought of the ugly implications...but good people are not always
smart people. And it is my sincere opinion, that the bulk of theists
more or less fall into the category: slightly to moderately moral, but
unthinking(other than a little white wash justification) of the true
implications of their cosmology. In fact, their theistic beliefs have
little to do with their actions, and the relative moral or immoral
nature of them, at all.
Hatter
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: An Eye-Opening Revelation |
27 Aug 2007 05:35:02 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:25:45 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:13:29 -0700, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 27, 1:23 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
Good, moral, virtuous people don't believe in gods. Not once they're
old enough to think rationally. It's the destruction of the
capability of rational thought that allows such a destructive meme as
Christianity to flourish.
I disagree, moral and virtuous people believe in Gods. Belief in
deities, as a basic meme, does make you any less likely to be moral or
virtuous.
If you're moral, why would you need the moral rules of some god to
know how to live? Especially since the moral system of just about
every single god ever conceived of by man has immoral parts?
(Religions like Deism, with no moral rules, and Wicca, with but one,
are notable exceptions.)
That's right. Decent, considerate people don't need some god to tell
them how to behave. But in any case, what a religion says its god
thinks is good or bad, subverts decent behaviour in too many cases.
Do they honestly think their behaviour towards atheists and others
outside their religion, is good?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: An Eye-Opening Revelation |
27 Aug 2007 10:03:36 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:35:02 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
That's right. Decent, considerate people don't need some god to tell
them how to behave. But in any case, what a religion says its god
thinks is good or bad, subverts decent behaviour in too many cases.
Do they honestly think their behaviour towards atheists and others
outside their religion, is good?
People who really can't "feel" good and bad probably do, since they're
told that it is, and that's the only measure of good and bad they
have.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: An Eye-Opening Revelation |
27 Aug 2007 09:23:18 PM |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:13:29 -0700, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 27, 1:23 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
Good, moral, virtuous people don't believe in gods. Not once they're
old enough to think rationally. It's the destruction of the
capability of rational thought that allows such a destructive meme as
Christianity to flourish.
I disagree, moral and virtuous people believe in Gods. Belief in
deities, as a basic meme, does make you any less likely to be moral or
virtuous. None the less, it is allows for irrationality...which is far
Most religions explicitly or implicitly FORCE irrationality on the
victim in order to survive and reproduce.
more likely to result in a sevely villianous conclusion because it can
be used to assert an absolute moral order and to classify some group
as something less than human, and undeserving of compassion.
Now preaching your deity belief, on the other hand, does tip the
tables, because those that preach are out to rework the world to match
their conclusion, or are out to use said delusions of the masses for
their poltical ends. In either of these cases....the likelyhood the
preacher is virtuous drops dramatically.
Hatter
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: An Eye-Opening Revelation |
28 Aug 2007 08:30:56 AM |
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On Aug 27, 10:23 pm, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:13:29 -0700,Hatter<Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 27, 1:23 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
Good, moral, virtuous people don't believe in gods. Not once they're
old enough to think rationally. It's the destruction of the
capability of rational thought that allows such a destructive meme as
Christianity to flourish.
I disagree, moral and virtuous people believe in Gods. Belief in
deities, as a basic meme, does make you any less likely to be moral or
virtuous. None the less, it is allows for irrationality...which is far
Most religions explicitly or implicitly FORCE irrationality on the
victim in order to survive and reproduce.
True, I should have stated "requires" rather than "allows for"
Hatter
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