Religions > Atheism > An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society
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"Dave in Lake Villa" |
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01 Dec 2007 06:42:46 PM |
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An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
1. Child aged 3-6 looks around himself (and up) and inquires as to
'who created all of this' or 'where did all of this come from' ? The
child knows , intrinsically, that there must have been a personal Being
responsible for all he can take in thru his senses. If you were to tell
him :' Rocks, Dirt, and Gas ultimately gave us all you see and can sense
(incl. his personality traits of Love, abstract thinking , reasoning,
rationalizing, compassion, empathy, morality, etc).. , due to a giant
explosion' ... he wouldnt buy it even if it came from an adult.
2. Child continues to believe , intrinsically, in some kind of a
personal intelligent Creator as years continue onward even with school
teachers teaching theoretical-philosophies as Life from dead chemicals
and Pond Scum to 206 bone human being thereby denouncing the personal
Theistic Creator.
3. Child goes into adolescence and enters rebellious stage of life with
strong desire for complete autonomy and takes offense to being morally
culpable toward anyone..even the Creator of the Universe.
4. Suppression of ones moral conscience takes place as he lives for the
dictates of his Will.
5. Person at this stage, or later into adulthood, starts to offer up
justifications for this increasing moral conscience suppression by
affirming that 'there is no creator' and unproven theories are true
(because they fit in with his or her lifestyle choices and autonomy). He
starts to live according to philosophical biases .
6. Person continues thruout life as an alleged atheist , even as he/she
learns how modern science totally debunks atheistic tenets of Macro
Evolution , Abiogensis, and such. Person takes strong issue with people
who know right from wrong and who take a stand for righteousness because
its an affront to them ... a fly in their ointment , because some degree
of conviction set in momentarily .
7. Person gets his heart even more hardened as time passes to the point
where wrong is right and right is wrong , just so long as it feels good
and benefits him . Person chases all the things that the culture deems
important and ego satisfying incl. power, prestige , money, and and
variety of hedonism .
8. Person approaches the end of his life having squandered it on
hedonism, narcissism, and egotism by chasing the elusive Lie that HE is
his own 'god' .
9. Person on his deathbed reviews his life and still knows,
intrinsically, that there has to be an intelligent personal Creator .but
due to a very hardened heart, he refuses to open his heart toward this
Creator in humility to ask forgiveness for his many many poor and
willfully made choices in life . A sense of hopelessness and desparity
sets in deeper than ever before , as he realizes his life didnt take on
anymore meaning than to live for Self, often at the expense of others.
10. Person dies and immediately is faced with life beyond the grave as
much as he didnt want it to be so ; Person gets what he always wanted
while alive : Distance from the Creator . Only forever. Continual
regret and despair ensues as he is faced with the greatest mistake one
could ever ever make.
Note: Anywhere along the timeline , the person has the chance of
turning from the lie of our culture and willful self deception hes
embraced for personal ulterior motives., by giving the Creator a chance
with his life and establishing a personal real relationship for which
his life is ultimately made for. The Creators plan is for all to be
reconciled to himself thru the plan of his Son , Jesus Christ, taking
YOUR sins on the Cross --- and HIS purity , innocence, and sinlessness,
transferred to you. Its not about the practice of religiousity --
rather this lifes ultimate purpose is about The Creator and knowing him
personally. Please dont hope or pretend that the Creator isnt real ;
intrinsically you know he is and has to be . Dont let your pride stand
in the way, for, too much is at stake. We are loved by him so recieve
him into your life , and have no regrets doing so.
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
01 Dec 2007 07:30:51 PM |
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"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11339-4751FF86-551@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
These are pretty much the steps
1) You're born
2) Your parents are decent enough not to push religious ***** on you.
or
3) Your parents DO push religious ***** on you, but you're smart enough
to realize that it's *****.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "jemcd 1" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
02 Dec 2007 05:36:47 AM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:30:51 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11339-4751FF86-551@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
These are pretty much the steps
1) You're born
2) Your parents are decent enough not to push religious ***** on you.
or
3) Your parents DO push religious ***** on you, but you're smart enough
to realize that it's *****.
Perfect!
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
02 Dec 2007 03:04:33 AM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:30:51 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11339-4751FF86-551@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
These are pretty much the steps
1) You're born
2) Your parents are decent enough not to push religious ***** on you.
There is a religious nutter not far from here who happens to be a good
signwriter. To advertise his business he puts up signs with over
simplistic words of 'wisdom' on them. Though he never makes his
religion obvious there is usually a underlying message there that he
clearly wishes to teach us. You cannot miss his signs as you drive
past. I usually have a bit of fun and see the obvious flaws
The current one says (I paraphrase from memory)
A childs mind is like a blank sheet of paper
It is up to us to fill that sheet.
(I imagine him wringing his hands with glee thinking he can
stamp "God" all over it thinking he is 'gods' signwriter.)
3) Your parents DO push religious ***** on you, but you're smart enough
to realize that it's *****.
Difficult for a child with an immature mind.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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02 Dec 2007 12:43:12 PM |
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les_on_usenet <delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in
news:r0s4l3tfnqhsu1gf4iua79mt6c4jtlnroo@4ax.com:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:30:51 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
3) Your parents DO push religious ***** on you, but you're smart
enough to realize that it's *****.
Difficult for a child with an immature mind.
Or for an adult with an immature religion.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Steve O" |
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02 Dec 2007 03:56:20 AM |
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"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11339-4751FF86-551@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
snip
Truthful?
I haven't read such a bunch of biased, question - begging stupidity like
that in a long time.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"Believe the Bible! - Because all the works of modern science cannot equal
the wisdom of goat - sacrificing primitives who thought that all the animal
species in the world lived within walking distance of Noah's house."
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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02 Dec 2007 12:46:04 PM |
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"Steve O" <hooray@nospamhere.thanks> wrote in news:5rfdq6F13oedvU1
@mid.individual.net:
"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11339-4751FF86-551@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this
to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
snip
Truthful?
I haven't read such a bunch of biased, question - begging stupidity
like that in a long time.
Officer, arrest that man!
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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02 Dec 2007 05:20:27 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:56:20 -0000, "Steve O"
<hooray@nospamhere.thanks> wrote:
"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11339-4751FF86-551@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
snip
Truthful?
I haven't read such a bunch of biased, question - begging stupidity like
that in a long time.
Read "The Watchtower" then.
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| User: "Steve O" |
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02 Dec 2007 06:01:27 PM |
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"Michael Gray" <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bdf6l3tcjc5thbiq4ndi7a774mike59snb@4ax.com...
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:56:20 -0000, "Steve O"
<hooray@nospamhere.thanks> wrote:
"Dave in Lake Villa" <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:11339-4751FF86-551@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net...
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
snip
Truthful?
I haven't read such a bunch of biased, question - begging stupidity like
that in a long time.
Read "The Watchtower" then.
Ah, thanks, Mike.
Forgot 'bout that.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"Believe the Bible! - Because all the works of modern science cannot equal
the wisdom of goat - sacrificing primitives who thought that all the animal
species in the world lived within walking distance of Noah's house."
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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02 Dec 2007 12:40:55 PM |
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(Dave in Lake Villa) wrote in news:11339-
4751FF86-551@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net:
<SNIP 20 pounds of crap in 5 pound bag>
*sound of footsteps approaching you.*
*quiet pause*
*sound of zipper slowly unzipping.*
*quiet pause*
*sound of a stream of fluid on your pants leg.*
*quiet pause*
*sound of zipper going back up.*
*sound of footsteps going away from you*
Wait, you've got WebTV. My bad. I'll save you the download time for that
multimedia experience thus:
***** on you.
--
Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices.
--Edward R. Murrow
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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01 Dec 2007 11:43:52 PM |
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And as usual, not a single shred of evidence in support of the outrageous
claims is offered. The only thing offered is the usual shitload of nonsense
about what atheism (supposedly) is all about.
Not surprising. After all, morontheists don't really want to convert (or
even impress) any atheists - they merely preach to _themselves,_ desperate
to keep their delusions intact while reality keeps hitting them square in
the face with a 2-by-4.
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "Scott Richter" |
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02 Dec 2007 12:04:17 AM |
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Dave in Lake Villa <DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net> wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
[remaining nonsense snipped...]
That's nice, Skippy. Did you learn that in Sunday school?
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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03 Dec 2007 04:03:26 PM |
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Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
I'd had to see what you would have come up with if you had *meant* it to
be offensive. This is just your typical vicious lies from your typical
ignorant, foolish and self-important theist.
--
L. Raymond
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| User: "cactus" |
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01 Dec 2007 08:50:51 PM |
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Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
1. Child aged 3-6 looks around himself (and up) and inquires as to
'who created all of this' or 'where did all of this come from' ? The
child knows , intrinsically, that there must have been a personal Being
responsible for all he can take in thru his senses. If you were to tell
him :' Rocks, Dirt, and Gas ultimately gave us all you see and can sense
(incl. his personality traits of Love, abstract thinking , reasoning,
rationalizing, compassion, empathy, morality, etc).. , due to a giant
explosion' ... he wouldnt buy it even if it came from an adult.
2. Child continues to believe , intrinsically, in some kind of a
personal intelligent Creator as years continue onward even with school
teachers teaching theoretical-philosophies as Life from dead chemicals
and Pond Scum to 206 bone human being thereby denouncing the personal
Theistic Creator.
3. Child goes into adolescence and enters rebellious stage of life with
strong desire for complete autonomy and takes offense to being morally
culpable toward anyone..even the Creator of the Universe.
4. Suppression of ones moral conscience takes place as he lives for the
dictates of his Will.
5. Person at this stage, or later into adulthood, starts to offer up
justifications for this increasing moral conscience suppression by
affirming that 'there is no creator' and unproven theories are true
(because they fit in with his or her lifestyle choices and autonomy). He
starts to live according to philosophical biases .
6. Person continues thruout life as an alleged atheist , even as he/she
learns how modern science totally debunks atheistic tenets of Macro
Evolution , Abiogensis, and such. Person takes strong issue with people
who know right from wrong and who take a stand for righteousness because
its an affront to them ... a fly in their ointment , because some degree
of conviction set in momentarily .
7. Person gets his heart even more hardened as time passes to the point
where wrong is right and right is wrong , just so long as it feels good
and benefits him . Person chases all the things that the culture deems
important and ego satisfying incl. power, prestige , money, and and
variety of hedonism .
8. Person approaches the end of his life having squandered it on
hedonism, narcissism, and egotism by chasing the elusive Lie that HE is
his own 'god' .
9. Person on his deathbed reviews his life and still knows,
intrinsically, that there has to be an intelligent personal Creator .but
due to a very hardened heart, he refuses to open his heart toward this
Creator in humility to ask forgiveness for his many many poor and
willfully made choices in life . A sense of hopelessness and desparity
sets in deeper than ever before , as he realizes his life didnt take on
anymore meaning than to live for Self, often at the expense of others.
10. Person dies and immediately is faced with life beyond the grave as
much as he didnt want it to be so ; Person gets what he always wanted
while alive : Distance from the Creator . Only forever. Continual
regret and despair ensues as he is faced with the greatest mistake one
could ever ever make.
Note: Anywhere along the timeline , the person has the chance of
turning from the lie of our culture and willful self deception hes
embraced for personal ulterior motives., by giving the Creator a chance
with his life and establishing a personal real relationship for which
his life is ultimately made for. The Creators plan is for all to be
reconciled to himself thru the plan of his Son , Jesus Christ, taking
YOUR sins on the Cross --- and HIS purity , innocence, and sinlessness,
transferred to you. Its not about the practice of religiousity --
rather this lifes ultimate purpose is about The Creator and knowing him
personally. Please dont hope or pretend that the Creator isnt real ;
intrinsically you know he is and has to be . Dont let your pride stand
in the way, for, too much is at stake. We are loved by him so recieve
him into your life , and have no regrets doing so.
The part that isn't lies is pure fantasy and hostile wishful thinking by
a religious fascist.
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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01 Dec 2007 08:46:29 PM |
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Dave in Lake Villa wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
1. Ask lots of real questions to ignorant fundies.
2. Laugh at their lack of answers
3. Realize that all religious text are nothing but mythology
4. Live.
There ya go Davie, fixed it for ya.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.secularity.com/ktayloraz
A.A #1143 http://azhotops.blogspot.com/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
____________________________________________________________________
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: A dishonest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
02 Dec 2007 12:28:20 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:42:46 -0600,
DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) let us all know that:
These are pretty much the steps on how one
....lies about atheists because one is so terrified of death
that one has to lie to one's self about there being a god.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "Hatter" |
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| Title: Re: A dishonest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
03 Dec 2007 07:19:18 AM |
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On Dec 2, 1:28 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:42:46 -0600,
DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) let us all know that:
These are pretty much the steps on how one
....lies about atheists because one is so terrified of death
that one has to lie to one's self about there being a god.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
Ever notice whenever the word "Honest" is in the subject line (and it
was not posted by a regular here) whatever the post may be, it is most
wildly and deliberately dishonest
Hatter
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: A dishonest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
04 Dec 2007 12:43:27 AM |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 05:19:18 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Dec 2, 1:28 pm, Don Kresch <ROT13.qxer...@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:
In alt.atheism On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:42:46 -0600,
DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) let us all know that:
These are pretty much the steps on how one
....lies about atheists because one is so terrified of death
that one has to lie to one's self about there being a god.
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
Ever notice whenever the word "Honest" is in the subject line (and it
was not posted by a regular here) whatever the post may be, it is most
wildly and deliberately dishonest
Yes.
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03 Dec 2007 07:30:21 AM |
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On 2 d=E9c, 01:42, (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
Why do theists spend so much time trying to "get" us?
Can't they just go one with their own lives and, eventually, pray for
us instead of inventing things that they call facts?
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| User: "Hatter" |
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03 Dec 2007 12:20:55 PM |
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On Dec 3, 8:30 am, wrote:
On 2 d=E9c, 01:42, (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
Why do theists spend so much time trying to "get" us?
Can't they just go one with their own lives and, eventually, pray for
us instead of inventing things that they call facts?
Children do not like when people do not believe in their imaginary
freinds. They will butt in when they hear two adults discussing their
non-belief of said imaginary freinds. This is simply an extention of
that
Hatter
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
03 Dec 2007 12:34:45 PM |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:20:55 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Dec 3, 8:30 am, wrote:
On 2 déc, 01:42, (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
Why do theists spend so much time trying to "get" us?
Can't they just go one with their own lives and, eventually, pray for
us instead of inventing things that they call facts?
Children do not like when people do not believe in their imaginary
freinds. They will butt in when they hear two adults discussing their
non-belief of said imaginary freinds. This is simply an extention of
that
Children know that their imaginary friends are make-believe. It's just
part of their playing.
Hatter
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| User: "Steve O" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
03 Dec 2007 02:36:06 PM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:hvi8l357aur6tjoknjsvc6u1m955t01mhc@4ax.com...
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:20:55 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Dec 3, 8:30 am, wrote:
On 2 déc, 01:42, (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this
to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
Why do theists spend so much time trying to "get" us?
Can't they just go one with their own lives and, eventually, pray for
us instead of inventing things that they call facts?
Children do not like when people do not believe in their imaginary
freinds. They will butt in when they hear two adults discussing their
non-belief of said imaginary freinds. This is simply an extention of
that
Children know that their imaginary friends are make-believe. It's just
part of their playing.
Hatter
And on some level, I think that goes for adults and their beliefs too.
It's whatever they feel comfortable with or whatever makes them happy and
secure which counts.
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
"Believe the Bible! - Because all the works of modern science cannot equal
the wisdom of goat - sacrificing primitives who thought that all the animal
species in the world lived within walking distance of Noah's house."
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
03 Dec 2007 04:19:18 PM |
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On Dec 3, 1:36 pm, "Steve O" <hoo...@nospamhere.thanks> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:hvi8l357aur6tjoknjsvc6u1m955t01mhc@4ax.com...
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:20:55 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Dec 3, 8:30 am, wrote:
On 2 d=E9c, 01:42, (Dave in Lake Villa) wrot=
e:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this=
to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
Why do theists spend so much time trying to "get" us?
Can't they just go one with their own lives and, eventually, pray for
us instead of inventing things that they call facts?
Children do not like when people do not believe in their imaginary
freinds. They will butt in when they hear two adults discussing their
non-belief of said imaginary freinds. This is simply an extention of
that
Children know that their imaginary friends are make-believe. It's just
part of their playing.
Hatter
And on some level, I think that goes for adults and their beliefs too.
It's whatever they feel comfortable with or whatever makes them happy and
secure which counts.
It's a well-studied psychological phenomenon called "Natural
Habitat." It means that most humans regard what they grew up with -
atheism, islam, christianity, alcholism, physical abuse, whatever - as
being right and natural (even if it is obviously something very
negative, like alcoholism). It's why the children of alcholics tend
to either *be* alcoholics themselves, or to marry alcoholics, and why
the children of physical abusers tend to run abusive households when
they grow up.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
03 Dec 2007 04:37:09 PM |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:19:18 -0800 (PST), skyeyes
<skyeyes@dakotacom.net> wrote:
On Dec 3, 1:36 pm, "Steve O" <hoo...@nospamhere.thanks> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <ca...@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:hvi8l357aur6tjoknjsvc6u1m955t01mhc@4ax.com...
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:20:55 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Dec 3, 8:30 am, wrote:
On 2 déc, 01:42, (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this
to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
Why do theists spend so much time trying to "get" us?
Can't they just go one with their own lives and, eventually, pray for
us instead of inventing things that they call facts?
Children do not like when people do not believe in their imaginary
freinds. They will butt in when they hear two adults discussing their
non-belief of said imaginary freinds. This is simply an extention of
that
Children know that their imaginary friends are make-believe. It's just
part of their playing.
Hatter
And on some level, I think that goes for adults and their beliefs too.
It's whatever they feel comfortable with or whatever makes them happy and
secure which counts.
It's a well-studied psychological phenomenon called "Natural
Habitat." It means that most humans regard what they grew up with -
atheism, islam, christianity, alcholism, physical abuse, whatever - as
being right and natural (even if it is obviously something very
negative, like alcoholism). It's why the children of alcholics tend
to either *be* alcoholics themselves, or to marry alcoholics, and why
the children of physical abusers tend to run abusive households when
they grow up.
There's that, but you don't "grow up with atheism". Theism simply
isn't taught and one remains in exactly the null-state about gods as
they were born.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Ken" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
03 Dec 2007 03:25:35 PM |
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On Dec 3, 10:34 am, Christopher A.Lee <ca...@optonline.net> wrote:
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:20:55 -0800 (PST), Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Dec 3, 8:30 am, wrote:
On 2 d=E9c, 01:42, (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote=
:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this =
to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
Why do theists spend so much time trying to "get" us?
Can't they just go one with their own lives and, eventually, pray for
us instead of inventing things that they call facts?
Children do not like when people do not believe in their imaginary
freinds. They will butt in when they hear two adults discussing their
non-belief of said imaginary freinds. This is simply an extention of
that
Children know that their imaginary friends are make-believe. It's just
part of their playing.
Hatter-
Dimwitted dave has not matured beyond all that childish make-believe
imaginary crap
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
04 Dec 2007 12:25:24 AM |
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On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 05:30:21 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On 2 déc, 01:42, (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
Why do theists spend so much time trying to "get" us?
Can't they just go one with their own lives and, eventually, pray for
us instead of inventing things that they call facts?
Nope.
Their parasitic meme wants them to sneeze on all and sundry in order
to be able reproduce.
They cannot help it, as their mind is not their own.
(If, indeed, they actually possess a mind, and in *****-Dave's
case, that is very much open to question)
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| User: "Santolina chamaecyparissus" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
01 Dec 2007 07:30:57 PM |
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On Dec 1, 4:42 pm, (Dave in Lake Villa)
wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive ,
Well, that's where we differ, I intend for this statement to be
offensive; choke on your own vomit, *****.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
01 Dec 2007 10:18:16 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:30:57 -0800 (PST), Santolina chamaecyparissus
<santolina@juno.com> wrote:
On Dec 1, 4:42 pm, (Dave in Lake Villa)
wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive ,
Well, that's where we differ, I intend for this statement to be
offensive; choke on your own vomit, *****.
I find it offensive that equate evil WebTV DevoInDenile with a
wondrous part of the female anatomy.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
01 Dec 2007 07:37:38 PM |
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:30:57 -0800 (PST), in alt.atheism
Santolina chamaecyparissus <santolina@juno.com> wrote in
<63ca4762-59ef-4d9d-b1c4-0c51eef6bab5@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
On Dec 1, 4:42 pm, (Dave in Lake Villa)
wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive ,
Well, that's where we differ, I intend for this statement to be
offensive; choke on your own vomit, *****.
No, the difference is that you were honest in admitting that you
intended to offend him. He knew he was going to be offensive and lied
about his intent.
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| User: "Ken" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look.. HONEST? Nothing you EVER say is honest, yahomo fruitcake |
02 Dec 2007 04:04:33 PM |
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On Dec 1, 4:42 pm, (Dave in Lake Villa)
wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject
EVERYONE IS BORN AN ATHEIST.
It's the stupid one's that allow themselves to be brainwashed into
becoming fundy idiots like you and your ilk
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look.. HONEST? Nothing you EVER say is honest, ya homo fruitcake |
02 Dec 2007 04:11:17 PM |
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On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:04:33 -0800 (PST), Ken <flakey714@aol.com>
wrote:
On Dec 1, 4:42 pm, (Dave in Lake Villa)
wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject
EVERYONE IS BORN AN ATHEIST.
It's the stupid one's that allow themselves to be brainwashed into
becoming fundy idiots like you and your ilk
Not necessarily stupid. It's learned in childhood at such an early age
it becomes almost hard wired.
The stupidity comes later when they are adult and can't grasp that
there is a world beyond their religion, in which people might have one
of hundreds of other religions and god-beliefs or not even have one,
and they don't have the common sense to use common shared
understanding which includes real world observations etc.
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| User: "eyelessgame" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
02 Dec 2007 11:59:57 AM |
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On Dec 1, 4:42 pm, (Dave in Lake Villa)
wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist ; there could be some slight variation., but ,
essentially this is it from start to finish. I dont intend for this to
be offensive , only a truthful treatise on the subject :
Is this a post-and-run? Or are you interested in having a discussion
on the subject? This doesn't describe me at all (not surprising). I
was Christian through my teens and drifted away gradually as I came to
realize there wasn't any there there. It has nothing to do with
accountability, morality, or anything else. I often /imagine/ a God,
realizing that that's what I was doing as a child anyway, and imagine
conversations with Him. I'm not uncomfortable with the idea of being
wrong, I just have no reason to think I am; given that I have human
limits on intellect and perception and that within those limits I do
not experience anything I can understand to be God, and given that I
am a person who knows others can both lie and be mistaken and thus
cannot take their claims as (er) gospel, I am willing to admit I was
mistaken and not feel the need to apologize for that fact. If there is
a God, I am as He made me, and the universe is as He made it.
Perhaps when I am old I will also become senile, and the illusions of
childhood will seem real to me again. Perhaps I will fear death, and
wish to deny its finality, when I am forced to face it as an imminent
reality. None of that turns illusions into truth, though. But the
illusions sure were comfortable. I might use them again, if I reach a
point in my life and mental state where I need them. This doesn't
particularly distress me.
But your claims are hilariously wrong. I'm not an adolescent with an
authority problem. I'm a happy, moral, and responsible adult, husband,
father, and engineer, doing my best to raise children to be happy,
moral, and responsible themselves. Where is your "desire to avoid
accountability"? I'm accountable to my amazing children, my wonderful
wife, my current employer, and over all of that, accountable to
myself. If ever at the end of my life I were called to account, I
would stand without shame on my record, humanly flawed as it is.
If this Creator claims I should consider Him to be more important than
me, I'll accept that. If He were to claim I should consider Him to be
more important than my /children/, I would tell Him where to stick it.
eyelessgame
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| User: "Davej" |
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| Title: Re: An honest look at how one became : 'an atheist' in our society |
02 Dec 2007 03:58:44 PM |
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On Dec 1, 6:42 pm, (Dave in Lake Villa)
wrote:
These are pretty much the steps on how one becomes (an
alleged) atheist [...]
All you have to do is watch how dishonest the creationists are. Pretty
soon you get disgusted with them and the whole notion they stand for.
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