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Date: 27 Sep 2005 07:33:02 AM
Object: And an Easy Life With Easy Answers
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/26/AR2005092601461.html
[excerpt]
.. . . And an Easy Life With Easy Answers
By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, September 27, 2005; Page A23
For some time now I have been reading "The African-American Odyssey." It is
the textbook assigned to ninth-grade students in Philadelphia, the first
major city in the nation to require a course on African American history
for high school graduation. The book is a smooth-enough read, nicely
illustrated, short on cant and long on candor that filled in gaps in my
knowledge and tells the largely miserable story of how black people coped
with white racism. I wish John Roberts had read it.
I don't actually know that he hasn't -- I don't actually know much about
him at all -- but every sign suggests he has not. From the memos he has
written in his various federal capacities, what we see is a refreshing wit
(always a good thing in dour Washington) but no hesitation when legal
ideology collides with monumental historical wrongs. He knows his law, but
does he know his history?

For instance, Roberts is opposed to affirmative action. So am I. But
Roberts was opposed way back when he was a staff lawyer in the Reagan White
House, which was way too early. It is one thing to argue that the work of
affirmative action is done. It is another thing to argue that it never
should have happened in the first place. The Philadelphia textbook suggests
otherwise.
It is the same with other issues -- gay rights, civil rights, abortion,
church-state separation and, of course, the intimidating reach of the
federal government as it wages its war on terrorism, terrorists and
librarians. There is almost nothing in Roberts's record or life story to
suggest that he has any idea of what it is like to be the underdog. Nothing
about the man suggests he knows what it's like to have a cop test your
reflexes with a billy club or to be faced, down and out, with a calamitous
pregnancy. If he knows such things, if he feels such things, then certainly
none of it came out in his just-concluded confirmation hearings.
[end excerpt]

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The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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User: "Perpetual Confusion"

Title: Re: And an Easy Life With Easy Answers 27 Sep 2005 08:28:30 AM
Comments below.
buckeye-ELO@nospam.net wrote in
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/26/AR20050
92601461.html [excerpt]
. . . And an Easy Life With Easy Answers

By Richard Cohen

Tuesday, September 27, 2005; Page A23

For some time now I have been reading "The African-American Odyssey."
It is the textbook assigned to ninth-grade students in Philadelphia,
the first major city in the nation to require a course on African
American history for high school graduation. The book is a
smooth-enough read, nicely illustrated, short on cant and long on
candor that filled in gaps in my knowledge and tells the largely
miserable story of how black people coped with white racism. I wish
John Roberts had read it.

I don't actually know that he hasn't -- I don't actually know much
about him at all -- but every sign suggests he has not.

Why don't you tell us why, since you seem to know him so well?

From the memos
he has written in his various federal capacities, what we see is a
refreshing wit (always a good thing in dour Washington) but no
hesitation when legal ideology collides with monumental historical
wrongs. He knows his law, but does he know his history?

He's going to be a judge. So, it's good to know he knows his Law. And
mixed in with knowing his Law is a good bit of history, since law has
been present throughout.

For instance, Roberts is opposed to affirmative action. So am I. But
Roberts was opposed way back when he was a staff lawyer in the Reagan
White House, which was way too early.

Way to early for what? You mean he was against it before it was in vogue?
You mean he examined it on the principle of it and found it lacking? and
for this you are critical?

It is one thing to argue that
the work of affirmative action is done. It is another thing to argue
that it never should have happened in the first place. The
Philadelphia textbook suggests otherwise.

The work of affirmative action was a smoke and mirror attempt to pacify
the black community. To make the government "appear" to be doing
something to make racial equality happen. In truth, racial equality had
to simply progress over time as people themselves changed. It's arguable
that affirmative action actually slowed the progress of racial equality.


It is the same with other issues -- gay rights, civil rights,
abortion, church-state separation and, of course, the intimidating
reach of the federal government as it wages its war on terrorism,
terrorists and librarians. There is almost nothing in Roberts's record
or life story to suggest that he has any idea of what it is like to be
the underdog. Nothing about the man suggests he knows what it's like
to have a cop test your reflexes with a billy club or to be faced,
down and out, with a calamitous pregnancy. If he knows such things, if
he feels such things, then certainly none of it came out in his
just-concluded confirmation hearings. [end excerpt]

Hmm. None of those things are listed as requirements for a Judge in the
constitution. Could the same thing not be said about all the current
sitting judges? or for most of our congress persons. They all talk a good
line, but most have never experienced what you somehow expect Roberts to
have experienced. If Roberts had trotted out a tale of an encounter with
a homeless person and helping him out would this have earned him any
"brownie" pooints? I think not.


***************************************************************
Posting and reading from alt.politics.usa.constitution OR
alt.education

The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm

American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm

The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html

[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation
of Church and State in general, listed below]

HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/

[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members
from all over the U.S. and a couple from overseas as well]

***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no
law respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning.
Words take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts,
which is why "a page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York
Trust Co. v. Eisner, 256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed.
963 (1921) (Holmes, J.). Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980
F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992) . . .
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I understand them completely.

THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE

http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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