Religions > Atheism > AND THE AWARD FOR THE MOST PATHETIC DEMOCRAT GOES TO .....
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11 Jan 2004 11:24:37 PM |
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AND THE AWARD FOR THE MOST PATHETIC DEMOCRAT GOES TO ..... |
AND THE AWARD FOR THE MOST PATHETIC DEMOCRAT GOES TO .....
Jim McDermott, a Democrat Congressman from Seattle, Washington. You
remember McDermott, don't you? He's the leftist moron who went to
Baghdad last year and, from Iraqi soil, told Americans that Bush was a
liar and it was Saddam Hussein who was worthy of the trust of the
American people.
So ... what has McDermott done this time? He told a Seattle radio
station on Monday that the capture of Saddam Hussein was timed to help
George Bush. McDermott says that the U.S. military knew were Saddam
was all along .. and could have captured him a long time ago if they
really wanted to.
The people of Seattle should be profoundly embarrassed having this *****
represent them in Congress. They should be, but they probably aren't.
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12 Jan 2004 12:44:57 AM |
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"Average Joe" <above_average_joe_3@yahoo.com> wrote
Jim McDermott, a Democrat Congressman from Seattle,
Washington. You remember McDermott, don't you?
He's the leftist moron who went to Baghdad last year
and, from Iraqi soil, told Americans that Bush was a
liar
He's been proven right.
Or, don't they have newspapers where you come from?
There were no WMDs. There was no connection to 9/11.
There were no ties between Saddam & Al Qaida. Bush
lied. Bush lied about all of it.
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| User: "MF Ogilvie" |
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12 Jan 2004 07:45:20 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xcmdnf5bfeMN3J_dRVn-vg@comcast.com>...
"Average Joe" <above_average_joe_3@yahoo.com> wrote
Jim McDermott, a Democrat Congressman from Seattle,
Washington. You remember McDermott, don't you?
He's the leftist moron who went to Baghdad last year
and, from Iraqi soil, told Americans that Bush was a
liar
He's been proven right.
No he wasn't.
Or, don't they have newspapers where you come from?
Unfortunately, they all lie like the ones you read.
There were no WMDs. There was no connection to 9/11.
There were no ties between Saddam & Al Qaida. Bush
lied. Bush lied about all of it.
No he didn't. Anyone who says that is a liar themselves.
Right, liar?
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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12 Jan 2004 03:40:07 PM |
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"MF Ogilvie" <matthew.f.ogilvie@lmco.com> wrote in message
news:fe17a99.0401120545.32aec0e7@posting.google.com...
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<Xcmdnf5bfeMN3J_dRVn-vg@comcast.com>...
"Average Joe" <above_average_joe_3@yahoo.com> wrote
Jim McDermott, a Democrat Congressman from Seattle,
Washington. You remember McDermott, don't you?
He's the leftist moron who went to Baghdad last year
and, from Iraqi soil, told Americans that Bush was a
liar
He's been proven right.
No he wasn't.
Or, don't they have newspapers where you come from?
Unfortunately, they all lie like the ones you read.
There were no WMDs. There was no connection to 9/11.
There were no ties between Saddam & Al Qaida. Bush
lied. Bush lied about all of it.
No he didn't. Anyone who says that is a liar themselves.
Really? One of his ex-cabinet members says they never had any information on
WMD's.
They just pulled some 1500 people out who were looking.
And then there is the US Army. Read what they are now saying openly.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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12 Jan 2004 09:41:45 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on 12 Jan 2004 05:45:20 -0800, a stranger called
by some (MF Ogilvie) came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xcmdnf5bfeMN3J_dRVn-vg@comcast.com>...
There were no WMDs. There was no connection to 9/11.
There were no ties between Saddam & Al Qaida. Bush
lied. Bush lied about all of it.
No he didn't. Anyone who says that is a liar themselves.
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
There is no connection to 9/11, no solid connection to al-Qaeda. Bush
lied.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "MF Ogilvie" |
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12 Jan 2004 01:25:36 PM |
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Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<auf500tdl8p7j4ci9d0aev6accmou0hskh@4ax.com>...
Lo, many moons past, on 12 Jan 2004 05:45:20 -0800, a stranger called
by some (MF Ogilvie) came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xcmdnf5bfeMN3J_dRVn-vg@comcast.com>...
There were no WMDs. There was no connection to 9/11.
There were no ties between Saddam & Al Qaida. Bush
lied. Bush lied about all of it.
No he didn't. Anyone who says that is a liar themselves.
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
There is no connection to 9/11, no solid connection to al-Qaeda. Bush
lied.
No he didn't. Case closed.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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13 Jan 2004 09:56:02 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on 12 Jan 2004 11:25:36 -0800, a stranger called
by some (MF Ogilvie) came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message news:<auf500tdl8p7j4ci9d0aev6accmou0hskh@4ax.com>...
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
There is no connection to 9/11, no solid connection to al-Qaeda. Bush
lied.
No he didn't. Case closed.
LIE #1: "The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its
nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase
high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas
centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." –
President Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.
FACT: This story, leaked to and breathlessly reported by Judith Miller
in the New York Times, has turned out to be complete baloney.
Department of Energy officials, who monitor nuclear plants, say the
tubes could not be used for enriching uranium. One intelligence
analyst, who was part of the tubes investigation, angrily told The New
Republic: "You had senior American officials like Condoleezza Rice
saying the only use of this aluminum really is uranium centrifuges.
She said that on television. And that's just a lie."
LIE #2: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein
recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." –
President Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.
FACT: This whopper was based on a document that the White House
already knew to be a forgery thanks to the CIA. Sold to Italian
intelligence by some hustler, the document carried the signature of an
official who had been out of office for 10 years and referenced a
constitution that was no longer in effect. The ex-ambassador who the
CIA sent to check out the story is pissed: "They knew the Niger story
was a flat-out lie," he told the New Republic, anonymously. "They [the
White House] were unpersuasive about aluminum tubes and added this to
make their case more strongly."
LIE #3: "We believe [Saddam] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear
weapons." – Vice President Cheney on March 16, 2003 on "Meet the
Press."
FACT: There was and is absolutely zero basis for this statement. CIA
reports up through 2002 showed no evidence of an Iraqi nuclear weapons
program.
LIE #4: "[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts
between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." – CIA Director George
Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that
evening's speech by President Bush.
FACT: Intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam
and al-Qaeda in the early '90s, but found no proof of a continuing
relationship. In other words, by tweaking language, Tenet and Bush
spun the intelligence180 degrees to say exactly the opposite of what
it suggested.
LIE #5: "We've learned that Iraq has trained al-Qaeda members in
bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases ... Alliance with terrorists
could allow the Iraqi regime to attack America without leaving any
fingerprints." – President Bush, Oct. 7.
FACT: No evidence of this has ever been leaked or produced. Colin
Powell told the U.N. this alleged training took place in a camp in
northern Iraq. To his great embarrassment, the area he indicated was
later revealed to be outside Iraq's control and patrolled by Allied
war planes.
LIE #6: "We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a
growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be
used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We
are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs
[unmanned aerial vehicles] for missions targeting the United States."
– President Bush, Oct. 7.
FACT: Said drones can't fly more than 300 miles, and Iraq is 6,000
miles from the U.S. coastline. Furthermore, Iraq's drone-building
program wasn't much more advanced than your average model plane
enthusiast. And isn't a "manned aerial vehicle" just a scary way to
say "plane"?
LIE #7: "We have seen intelligence over many months that they have
chemical and biological weapons, and that they have dispersed them and
that they're weaponized and that, in one case at least, the command
and control arrangements have been established." – President Bush,
Feb. 8, 2003, in a national radio address.
FACT: Despite a massive nationwide search by U.S. and British forces,
there are no signs, traces or examples of chemical weapons being
deployed in the field, or anywhere else during the war.
LIE #8: "Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile
of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough
to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets." – Secretary of State Colin
Powell, Feb. 5 2003, in remarks to the UN Security Council.
FACT: Putting aside the glaring fact that not one drop of this massive
stockpile has been found, as previously reported on AlterNet the
United States' own intelligence reports show that these stocks – if
they existed – were well past their use-by date and therefore useless
as weapon fodder.
LIE #9: "We know where [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around
Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat." –
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003, in statements to
the press.
FACT: Needless to say, no such weapons were found, not to the east,
west, south or north, somewhat or otherwise.
LIE #10: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN
prohibited." – President Bush in remarks in Poland, published
internationally June 1, 2003.
FACT: This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck
trailers that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons
lab. But British and American experts – including the State
Department's intelligence wing in a report released this week – have
since declared this to be untrue. According to the British, and much
to Prime Minister Tony Blair's embarrassment, the trailers are
actually exactly what Iraq said they were; facilities to fill weather
balloons, sold to them by the British themselves.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "William Barwell" |
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13 Jan 2004 12:53:20 AM |
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MF Ogilvie wrote:
Douglas Berry <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:<auf500tdl8p7j4ci9d0aev6accmou0hskh@4ax.com>...
Lo, many moons past, on 12 Jan 2004 05:45:20 -0800, a stranger called
by some (MF Ogilvie) came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<Xcmdnf5bfeMN3J_dRVn-vg@comcast.com>...
There were no WMDs. There was no connection to 9/11.
There were no ties between Saddam & Al Qaida. Bush
lied. Bush lied about all of it.
No he didn't. Anyone who says that is a liar themselves.
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
There is no connection to 9/11, no solid connection to al-Qaeda. Bush
lied.
No he didn't. Case closed.
He lied, repeatedly and chronically.
Real Americans don't vote for chronic liars.
See www.ceip.org for a chronological list of the many lies told by Bush and
his adminstration to hustle us into a war in Iraq based on nasty little
lies.
Carengie Endowment for Internationa Peace by the way. CEIP.
Its pathetic how many right wingers lie about Bush's lies.
Its not very patriotic to do so.
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Bush! Chimp or chump?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "First Maje" |
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13 Jan 2004 01:01:23 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:53:20 -0600, William Barwell
<wbarwell@mungged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Real Americans don't vote for chronic liars.
Then why did Clinton win two terms?
--
Map Of The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy:
http://www.freewebs.com/vrwc/
"What is the State? The State is people - people who believe
they have a right to rule others. These people are the thieving,
murdering brutes responsible for war, conscription, taxation,
massacres, slave camps, gas chambers, killing fields, nuclear
missles, and endless death stretching back ten thousand years.
Luckily for all, the State is only people. And, generally, the
least competent of people. They are the ones who cannot innovate,
only steal. They cannot reason, only kill. They are brutes who
see the greatest efforts of mankind as loot to seize and control.
Yet when they seize the creations of greater minds, the works
crumble in their hands, for they cannot control what they are
incapable of understanding."
-- "Kings of the High Frontier"
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| User: "JTEM" |
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13 Jan 2004 01:15:50 AM |
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"First Maje" <spam@spam.com> wrote
William Barwell <wbarwell@mungged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Real Americans don't vote for chronic liars.
Then why did Clinton win two terms?
Because even after three years in office, the best Republicans
could come up with is more Clinton bashing.
We've had 11 years now, and still counting...
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| User: "Emi M Briet" |
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13 Jan 2004 04:29:37 AM |
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In article <400397a9.62748557@news-server.houston.rr.com>,
(First Maje) wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:53:20 -0600, William Barwell
<wbarwell@mungged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Real Americans don't vote for chronic liars.
Then why did Clinton win two terms?
Because Clinton's lies about his extramarital affairs had no bearing on
world matters, save for bombing Iraq to take the nation's mind off the
impeachment trial.
Also, at the time Clinton won his second term, the Lewinsky scandal had
*just* started to become public knowledge. His lies weren't proven
until after the '96 election.
Bush's lies, on the other hand, have been proven time and time again but
"ABCNNBCBS" isn't bothering to make the proof a big story and Fox isn't
even reporting it at all....'fair and balanced' my *****...Ask Fox why
they were trying to hush up the fact that the gas canisters recently
found were too rotted to be used as weapons.
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| User: "a#344" |
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13 Jan 2004 01:42:39 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:01:23 GMT, (First Maje) wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:53:20 -0600, William Barwell
<wbarwell@mungged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Real Americans don't vote for chronic liars.
Then why did Clinton win two terms?
So some come stains is the moral equal of a pointless war killing
American soldiers?
Say again?
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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13 Jan 2004 05:11:27 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:01:23 GMT, (First Maje) wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:53:20 -0600, William Barwell
<wbarwell@mungged.mylinuxisp.com> wrote:
Real Americans don't vote for chronic liars.
Then why did Clinton win two terms?
Duh. Because he wasn't a "chronic" liar.
Why do you imagine that being set up by Kenneth Starr so that he has
to lie about getting a *****, is worse that lying to start a war
that is illegal under all international laws and treaties?
Clinton just killed some sperm. Bush's lies killed tens of thousands
and cost trillions of dollars.
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12 Jan 2004 02:33:33 PM |
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On 12 Jan 2004 11:25:36 -0800, (MF Ogilvie) wrote:
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
There is no connection to 9/11, no solid connection to al-Qaeda. Bush
lied.
No he didn't. Case closed.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Every fucking bit of public knowledge, proven evidence is against you and
you're still doing the 2 year old tactic of "is not, is not"
Christ, you are an inferior *****, OGLELOON
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12 Jan 2004 08:13:25 PM |
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On 12 Jan 2004 11:25:36 -0800, (MF Ogilvie) wrote:
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
There is no connection to 9/11, no solid connection to al-Qaeda. Bush
lied.
No he didn't. Case closed.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Every fucking bit of public knowledge, proven evidence is against you and
you're still doing the 2 year old tactic of "is not, is not"
Christ, you are an inferior *****, OGLELOON
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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12 Jan 2004 10:03:36 AM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on 12 Jan 2004 05:45:20 -0800, a stranger called
by some (MF Ogilvie) came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xcmdnf5bfeMN3J_dRVn-vg@comcast.com>...
There were no WMDs. There was no connection to 9/11.
There were no ties between Saddam & Al Qaida. Bush
lied. Bush lied about all of it.
No he didn't. Anyone who says that is a liar themselves.
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
Ah, and there's the weasel. There *is* loads of evidence of programs
that weren't *running* at the time. Which means that the *capability* to
build WMD's was there, even if it wasn't in production.
There is no connection to 9/11, no solid connection to al-Qaeda. Bush
lied.
And here's the other weasel. No *solid* connection. There is enough
evidence to make anybody suspect it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "Emi M Briet" |
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12 Jan 2004 01:53:08 PM |
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In article <1005h9dm9ka4i3e@news.supernews.com>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Douglas Berry wrote:
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
Ah, and there's the weasel. There *is* loads of evidence of programs
that weren't *running* at the time. Which means that the *capability* to
build WMD's was there, even if it wasn't in production.
Nice paragraph, but you didn't answer the questions....
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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12 Jan 2004 02:43:23 PM |
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Emi M Briet wrote:
In article <1005h9dm9ka4i3e@news.supernews.com>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Douglas Berry wrote:
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
Ah, and there's the weasel. There *is* loads of evidence of programs
that weren't *running* at the time. Which means that the *capability* to
build WMD's was there, even if it wasn't in production.
Nice paragraph, but you didn't answer the questions....
They're irrelevant.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "William Barwell" |
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13 Jan 2004 02:50:41 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Emi M Briet wrote:
In article <1005h9dm9ka4i3e@news.supernews.com>,
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Douglas Berry wrote:
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
Ah, and there's the weasel. There *is* loads of evidence of programs
that weren't *running* at the time. Which means that the *capability* to
build WMD's was there, even if it wasn't in production.
Nice paragraph, but you didn't answer the questions....
They're irrelevant.
Your willful blindness is irrelevant and so are you.
Www.ceip.org for the latest list of Bush admuinistration lies
in general chronological order.
Why do you love Bush's lies anyway?
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Bush! Chimp or chump?
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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13 Jan 2004 09:52:05 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:03:36 -0500, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
Ah, and there's the weasel. There *is* loads of evidence of programs
that weren't *running* at the time. Which means that the *capability* to
build WMD's was there, even if it wasn't in production.
OK, show me some of this evidence. Because I know people over there
right now, and they haven't seen anything.
Don't you think that if we found anything at all, it would be trumpted
to the heavens by the administration? Instead, they haven't mentioned
WMDs in weeks. That's because we haven't found anything. Well,
that's not quite right. Here's what we have found:
One (1) broken gas centrifuge, missing parts, buried under a rose
bush.
One (1) pallet of sixteen (16) gas shells, empty, and missing parts.
Shells were rusty and in an unusable condition when found.
That's it.
Oh, Fred? I can make mustard gas in my bathtub. The claims were:
" The United Nations concluded in 1999 that Saddam Hussein had
biological weapons sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax
-- enough doses to kill several million people. He hasn't accounted
for that material. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed it.
"The United Nations concluded that Saddam Hussein had materials
sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin --
enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure.
He hadn't accounted for that material. He's given no evidence that he
has destroyed it.
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX
nerve agent. In such quantities, these chemical agents could also kill
untold thousands. He's not accounted for these materials. He has given
no evidence that he has destroyed them.
"U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000
munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. Inspectors recently
turned up 16 of them -- despite Iraq's recent declaration denying
their existence. Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining
29,984 of these prohibited munitions. He's given no evidence that he
has destroyed them.
"From three Iraqi defectors we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had
several mobile biological weapons labs. These are designed to produce
germ warfare agents, and can be moved from place to a place to evade
inspectors. Saddam Hussein has not disclosed these facilities. He's
given no evidence that he has destroyed them.
"The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that
Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program,
had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different
methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. The British government has
learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of
uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has
attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for
nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained
these activities. He clearly has much to hide."
Nothing of this sort has been found. Nothing. The final two claims
turned out to be lies.
There is no connection to 9/11, no solid connection to al-Qaeda. Bush
lied.
And here's the other weasel. No *solid* connection. There is enough
evidence to make anybody suspect it.
And I went to the same high school as both members of the Doobie
Brothers and a Manson Family member. This makes me neither a 70s rock
star nor a murderer. To support the claim, you need direct evidence.
In fact, Osama bin Laden declared Iraq's government, and its leader,
enemies of the faith for not imposing a strict Islamic government and
law. The link isn't there.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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13 Jan 2004 10:48:04 AM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:03:36 -0500, a stranger
called by some Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
Ah, and there's the weasel. There *is* loads of evidence of programs
that weren't *running* at the time. Which means that the *capability* to
build WMD's was there, even if it wasn't in production.
OK, show me some of this evidence. Because I know people over there
right now, and they haven't seen anything.
Read the Interim Kay report. I'm not going to go over this yet again.
We've been here many times.
Don't you think that if we found anything at all, it would be trumpted
to the heavens by the administration? Instead, they haven't mentioned
WMDs in weeks. That's because we haven't found anything. Well,
that's not quite right. Here's what we have found:
One (1) broken gas centrifuge, missing parts, buried under a rose
bush.
One (1) pallet of sixteen (16) gas shells, empty, and missing parts.
Shells were rusty and in an unusable condition when found.
That's it.
Oh, Fred? I can make mustard gas in my bathtub. The claims were:
" The United Nations concluded in 1999 that Saddam Hussein had
biological weapons sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax
-- enough doses to kill several million people. He hasn't accounted
for that material. He's given no evidence that he has destroyed it.
"The United Nations concluded that Saddam Hussein had materials
sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin --
enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure.
He hadn't accounted for that material. He's given no evidence that he
has destroyed it.
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX
nerve agent. In such quantities, these chemical agents could also kill
untold thousands. He's not accounted for these materials. He has given
no evidence that he has destroyed them.
"U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000
munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. Inspectors recently
turned up 16 of them -- despite Iraq's recent declaration denying
their existence. Saddam Hussein has not accounted for the remaining
29,984 of these prohibited munitions. He's given no evidence that he
has destroyed them.
"From three Iraqi defectors we know that Iraq, in the late 1990s, had
several mobile biological weapons labs. These are designed to produce
germ warfare agents, and can be moved from place to a place to evade
inspectors. Saddam Hussein has not disclosed these facilities. He's
given no evidence that he has destroyed them.
"The International Atomic Energy Agency confirmed in the 1990s that
Saddam Hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program,
had a design for a nuclear weapon and was working on five different
methods of enriching uranium for a bomb. The British government has
learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of
uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has
attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for
nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained
these activities. He clearly has much to hide."
Nothing of this sort has been found. Nothing. The final two claims
turned out to be lies.
There is no connection to 9/11, no solid connection to al-Qaeda. Bush
lied.
And here's the other weasel. No *solid* connection. There is enough
evidence to make anybody suspect it.
And I went to the same high school as both members of the Doobie
Brothers and a Manson Family member. This makes me neither a 70s rock
star nor a murderer. To support the claim, you need direct evidence.
In fact, Osama bin Laden declared Iraq's government, and its leader,
enemies of the faith for not imposing a strict Islamic government and
law. The link isn't there.
You haven't managed to discredit the actual evidence that *has* been
posted before, and no, I'm not going to dig it up again.
--
Fred Stone
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13 Jan 2004 12:15:09 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
Nothing of this sort has been found. Nothing. The final two claims
turned out to be lies.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/inring.htm
Mr. WMD
The officer who supervised the intelligence community's 2002 report
that concluded Iraq owned chemical and biological weapons made a rare
public appearance this week.
Stuart Cohen, vice chairman of the National Intelligence Council,
showed up Tuesday on ABC's "Nightline." His reason: to defend the CIA
against charges analysts tilted a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE)
to help President Bush make the case for invading Iraq.
Mr. Cohen, who directed the NIE on Iraq, called such charges "just
nonsense."
"We have re-looked the evidence that we have used," he said. "We
have parsed every word, every judgment. And I remain convinced that the
work we did was well-grounded.
"We did not, in any area, hype our judgments. We made our calls
based on the evidence that we had. And let me make very clear. We had 15
years' worth of evidence, compelling evidence, evidence from multiple
sources. We did not hype the estimate."
Mr. Cohen said the assessment that Saddam Hussein had huge stocks
of chemical and biological weapons came from human sources, satellite
imagery and communication intercepts. "All of which pointed, made a
compelling case," he said.
The Iraq Survey Group continues to look for those weapons, but has
not found them to date.
Mr. Cohen denied that anyone in the Bush administration pressured
the NIE analysts. "The reality is that there are checks and balances in
the system that would not allow such things to happen," he told Ted
Koppel. "These were judgments that we had rendered over a 15-year
period. ... There was no sudden halt, no sudden change in our judgments."
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Fred Stone
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13 Jan 2004 12:09:48 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
Oh, Fred? I can make mustard gas in my bathtub.
And if you were known to have used mustard gas on your neighbors you'd
have been arrested a long time ago.
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Fred Stone
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12 Jan 2004 07:30:02 PM |
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:03:36 -0500, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on 12 Jan 2004 05:45:20 -0800, a stranger called
by some (MF Ogilvie) came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xcmdnf5bfeMN3J_dRVn-vg@comcast.com>...
There were no WMDs. There was no connection to 9/11.
There were no ties between Saddam & Al Qaida. Bush
lied. Bush lied about all of it.
No he didn't. Anyone who says that is a liar themselves.
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
Ah, and there's the weasel. There *is* loads of evidence of programs
that weren't *running* at the time. Which means that the *capability* to
build WMD's was there, even if it wasn't in production.
People all around the world have the *capability* and people all
around the world sell the materials and instructions. Geez, you must
be paranoid about *everyone* that hates us, Fred.
Guess what, Fred? Everything out US government has banned is
available, it just costs more. Like drugs, you see? Can't you see the
futility in trying to mold the rest of the people to your standards?
There is no connection to 9/11, no solid connection to al-Qaeda. Bush
lied.
And here's the other weasel. No *solid* connection. There is enough
evidence to make anybody suspect it.
Do you blow away everyone you suspect? Damn, I hope you don't live
near me. Your neighbors, if they know you, must be quite nervous.
drift
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12 Jan 2004 09:53:59 PM |
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wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:03:36 -0500, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on 12 Jan 2004 05:45:20 -0800, a stranger called
by some (MF Ogilvie) came forth and told
this tale in alt.atheism
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xcmdnf5bfeMN3J_dRVn-vg@comcast.com>...
There were no WMDs. There was no connection to 9/11.
There were no ties between Saddam & Al Qaida. Bush
lied. Bush lied about all of it.
No he didn't. Anyone who says that is a liar themselves.
OK, how many WMDs have been recovered? What types, and in what
quantities? Give the details of the recovered WMD programs that Iraq
had restarted according to Bush.
Ah, and there's the weasel. There *is* loads of evidence of programs
that weren't *running* at the time. Which means that the *capability* to
build WMD's was there, even if it wasn't in production.
People all around the world have the *capability* and people all
around the world sell the materials and instructions. Geez, you must
be paranoid about *everyone* that hates us, Fred.
You betcha.
Guess what, Fred? Everything out US government has banned is
available, it just costs more. Like drugs, you see? Can't you see the
futility in trying to mold the rest of the people to your standards?
Sure. I can also see the practical value in having the rest of the
people think twice about fucking with us.
There is no connection to 9/11, no solid connection to al-Qaeda. Bush
lied.
And here's the other weasel. No *solid* connection. There is enough
evidence to make anybody suspect it.
Do you blow away everyone you suspect? Damn, I hope you don't live
near me. Your neighbors, if they know you, must be quite nervous.
No, but then I don't just ignore them or reward them for bad behavior
either, especially if they're openly hostile.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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12 Jan 2004 12:49:05 AM |
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Hey fuckhead...stop crossposting your political *****
to alt.atheism...it's off topic or are you too fucking obtuse
to understand that.
"Average Joe" <above_average_joe_3@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:86dd0c43.0401112124.3790478d@posting.google.com...
AND THE AWARD FOR THE MOST PATHETIC DEMOCRAT GOES TO .....
Jim McDermott, a Democrat Congressman from Seattle, Washington. You
remember McDermott, don't you? He's the leftist moron who went to
Baghdad last year and, from Iraqi soil, told Americans that Bush was a
liar and it was Saddam Hussein who was worthy of the trust of the
American people.
So ... what has McDermott done this time? He told a Seattle radio
station on Monday that the capture of Saddam Hussein was timed to help
George Bush. McDermott says that the U.S. military knew were Saddam
was all along .. and could have captured him a long time ago if they
really wanted to.
The people of Seattle should be profoundly embarrassed having this *****
represent them in Congress. They should be, but they probably aren't.
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| User: "JE" |
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13 Jan 2004 07:24:48 PM |
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McDermott also edged Howard the Duck (draft dodger) Dean and James
Carville for the "Angry While Male" Award. McDermott simply reminds
me of someone who ate a heavy dinner which disagreed with him. He
also seems like someone who knows life and youth have passed him by
and he believes he needs to be loud and obtrusive to be relevant.
above_average_joe_3@yahoo.com (Average Joe) wrote in message news:<86dd0c43.0401112124.3790478d@posting.google.com>...
AND THE AWARD FOR THE MOST PATHETIC DEMOCRAT GOES TO .....
Jim McDermott, a Democrat Congressman from Seattle, Washington. You
remember McDermott, don't you? He's the leftist moron who went to
Baghdad last year and, from Iraqi soil, told Americans that Bush was a
liar and it was Saddam Hussein who was worthy of the trust of the
American people.
So ... what has McDermott done this time? He told a Seattle radio
station on Monday that the capture of Saddam Hussein was timed to help
George Bush. McDermott says that the U.S. military knew were Saddam
was all along .. and could have captured him a long time ago if they
really wanted to.
The people of Seattle should be profoundly embarrassed having this *****
represent them in Congress. They should be, but they probably aren't.
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15 Jan 2004 09:35:38 PM |
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C'mon Dems - defend your goddess St. Theresa, the patron saint of whiners.
mailslot@mailpanda.com (JE) wrote in message news:<629c12cb.0401131724.1eb6c0a5@posting.google.com>...
McDermott also edged Howard the Duck (draft dodger) Dean and James
Carville for the "Angry While Male" Award. McDermott simply reminds
me of someone who ate a heavy dinner which disagreed with him. He
also seems like someone who knows life and youth have passed him by
and he believes he needs to be loud and obtrusive to be relevant.
above_average_joe_3@yahoo.com (Average Joe) wrote in message news:<86dd0c43.0401112124.3790478d@posting.google.com>...
AND THE AWARD FOR THE MOST PATHETIC DEMOCRAT GOES TO .....
Jim McDermott, a Democrat Congressman from Seattle, Washington. You
remember McDermott, don't you? He's the leftist moron who went to
Baghdad last year and, from Iraqi soil, told Americans that Bush was a
liar and it was Saddam Hussein who was worthy of the trust of the
American people.
So ... what has McDermott done this time? He told a Seattle radio
station on Monday that the capture of Saddam Hussein was timed to help
George Bush. McDermott says that the U.S. military knew were Saddam
was all along .. and could have captured him a long time ago if they
really wanted to.
The people of Seattle should be profoundly embarrassed having this *****
represent them in Congress. They should be, but they probably aren't.
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16 Jan 2004 12:12:32 PM |
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C'mon Dems - defend your goddess St. Theresa, the patron saint of whiners.
Actually, I thought the most pathetic Democrat was Joe "Bush in a yarmeluke"
Lieberman...the most rabidly pro-censorship US Senator since Joe McCarthy.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "" |
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11 Jan 2004 11:34:41 PM |
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On 11 Jan 2004 21:24:37 -0800, (Average
Joe) wrote:
AND THE AWARD FOR THE MOST PATHETIC DEMOCRAT GOES TO .....
Jim McDermott, a Democrat Congressman from Seattle, Washington. You
remember McDermott, don't you? He's the leftist moron who went to
Baghdad last year and, from Iraqi soil, told Americans that Bush was a
liar and it was Saddam Hussein who was worthy of the trust of the
American people.
So ... what has McDermott done this time? He told a Seattle radio
station on Monday that the capture of Saddam Hussein was timed to help
George Bush. McDermott says that the U.S. military knew were Saddam
was all along .. and could have captured him a long time ago if they
really wanted to.
The people of Seattle should be profoundly embarrassed having this *****
represent them in Congress. They should be, but they probably aren't.
Why should Seattle be ashamed of the truth that Bush is a *****? Bush
is just trying to live up to his family name.
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