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"Kurt Gavin" <dontbother@ignore.com> wrote in
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We know jesus never healed anybody, or raised anybody who was
actually dead.

If he had, the news would have spread to the Jewish and Roman
authorities, and the last thing anybody would do is kill someone
capable of working miracles for them and their loved ones - then
or now.

1. It did spread.
2. You don't get out much, do you?
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Like a true christian, you're a liar and you're stupid.

You snipped the part that supports my statement, and you're stupid
enough not to realize doing that discredits you.

Obviously you're a bitter young man.

Obviously you're a blinded fool.

Here's the rest:

Yes, and it's why I think you don't get out much.

People who can work miracles are OFTEN attacked and sometimes killed
by those who cannot.

Like who for instance? Benny Hinman is rich from "preforming" miracle
cures.

Who has performed verifiable miracles? Who, what, when, where?

Be specific.

In fact that's the basis for the neo-luddite attacks
on science. WAKE UP!

You blind idiot. Nobody attacks and kills MDs who save people by using
medical science.

Nobody would kill a person who ACTUALLY DID MIRACLE CURES AND RAISED
THE DEAD.

You're parroting crap you hear in your moronic church.

What scientist is being persecuted?

the last thing anybody would do is kill someone capable of working
miracles for them and their loved ones - then or now.

Both authorities had good informant networks to keep an eye on the
people. The gullible may have been taken in by third rate magic
acts, but critical spies? No.

Imagine how Pilate's stature would have risen with Caesar if he had
sent to Rome a man ACTUALLY capable of miracle healings and raising
the dead. Imagine the influence that a REAL Messiah would have
gained by a relationship with the most powerful man in the world.

Pilate, however, was an *****. And that's not MY opinion, that's the
conclusion Caesar came to.

Fool, Pilate was relieved because he was creating unrest in the
province. The same happened to other provincial "governors" at various
times.

Pilate, like anyone else, would not kill someone capable of actually
do miracle cures or raising the dead.

Sure, you can imagine anything you want, but
your imaginings might be a whole lot better if you really understood
the dynamics of 1st century Palestinian politics.

It is you, xian fantasist, who is imaging things.

The Romans were very superstitious and tolerant of other peoples'
religions. Not only would they be willing to give a miracle
performer a chance to prove himself, but they would be reluctant to
incur the wrath of any god(s) who empowered such a person.

This is true, and SOME Romans actually worried about this with
respect to Jesus and the Christians who came after Him. But, as
noted, Pilate was an *****. He was in such a panic to curry favour
with Caesar that he tried to pander to every political wind in the
area.

No Andrew, it is a cult that happened to get a foothold, and then
was forced upon people by Caesar Constantine 300 years later, as a
political ploy in response to the political problems of his time.

Actually, Christianity had simply become so popular that Constantine
could profess it.

Liar. It took coercion to spread it.

He NEVER forced it upon the people, but rather lifted
the restrictions that had been placed on it by earlier emperors. As
for having undue influence on the church he consorted with heretics
right up to the end (his) and was NOT considered orthodox by most
bishops.

But then you probably get your 4th century history from Chick tracts
or some such.

I get it from history books written by actual historians - not corrupt
braindeads like you.

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We know jesus never healed anybody, or raised anybody who was

dead.

If he had, the news would have spread to the Jewish and Roman
authorities,
and the last thing anybody would do is kill someone capable of

miracles for them and their loved ones - then or now.

Both authorities had good informant networks to keep an eye on the
people.
The gullible may have been taken in by third rate magic acts, but
critical
spies? No.

Imagine how Pilate's stature would have risen with Caesar if he had

sent

to

Rome a man ACTUALLY capable of miracle healings and raising the

Imagine the influence that a REAL Messiah would have gained by a
relationship with the most powerful man in the world.

The Romans were very superstitious and tolerant of other peoples'

religions.

Not only would they be willing to give a miracle performer a chance

prove

himself, but they would be reluctant to incur the wrath of any

who

empowered such a person.

No Andrew, it is a cult that happened to get a foothold, and then

forced

upon people by Caesar Constantine 300 years later, as a political

in

response to the political problems of his time.

Yes Andrew, you are an extreme dupe, among many dupes.

Now, what kind of a brainless answer will you give me?

(It turns out - none).

i'd like to see current dated documentation of what you are claiming

What a stupid reply.

Most of what I wrote is basic history. The rest is conclusions based on
common sense.

You do tacitly acknowledge that it wrecks the xian myth case. That's
good.



no documentable source , hear say

You're too stupid to even do posts correctly, or to use English properly.

It's no surprise that you're a jesus donkey.