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28 Feb 2006 06:16:10 AM |
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Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48505
Abortion stops a bleeding heart
Ann Coulter
Posted: January 25, 2006
7:00 p.m. Eastern
The Democrats are trying to "reframe" their message to make people
think they believe abortion is wrong. I think this is going to be a
hard sell if they plan to continue ferociously defending
abortion-on-demand right up until the moment the baby's head is through
the birth canal.
But both the New York Times and the Washington Post have recently run
op-eds by liberals calling for Democrats to abandon their single-minded
devotion to Roe v. Wade.
In the Post, Richard Cohen said it was time for liberals to "untether
abortion rights from Roe." Cohen admitted that conservatives (and "some
liberals," he claimed implausibly) have a point when they say abortion
ought to be decided by the states. This is another way of saying
abortion is not a constitutional right. Kate Michelman: Call your
abortion mill!
In the New York Times, William Saletan gently counseled feminists that
it was time to admit: "It's bad to kill a fetus." And they say liberals
have no values!
Even Jimmy Carter, the Democrats' idea of an evangelical Christian, has
allowed that "I don't believe that Christ would approve of abortions."
(Though Carter added that Christ would approve of abortion if "the
mother's life or health was seriously endangered or the pregnancy
resulted from rape or incest" - or if Jesus really, really needed the
feminists to vote for him.)
It's been a long time coming, but the Democrats are finally throwing
the NARAL ladies off the boat.
One by one, the Democratic Party keeps having to abandon all the insane
positions that have made it the funny, silly party we've come to know
and love.
The gun-control fanatics were thrown overboard after President Bill
Clinton and a Democratic Congress passed the 1994 crime bill that
banned so-called "assault weapons" - i.e., otherwise completely legal
semiautomatic weapons that looked scary to Dianne Feinstein.
As a result, the Democrats lost Congress for the first time in 40 years
and lost the South forever. When is the last time you heard a Democrat
use the words "gun control"?
In 1995, the new Republican Congress sent a welfare reform bill to
Clinton, a man who had campaigned on "mend it, don't end it" and then
refused to do anything about it.
Not one Democrat resigned from the Clinton administration when Clinton
turned out to be molesting the help and committing lots of felonies.
But a whole slew of them resigned to protest Clinton's signing the
Republicans' welfare reform bill.
You never hear a peep out of Democrats anymore about restoring
government welfare programs to their former glory.
Now it's the abortion ladies' turn.
As Saletan informed feminists in his Times column:
"You can tell yourself that the pro-choice majority stayed home in the
last election, or that they voted on other issues, or that Democrats
botched the debate. But those excuses are getting tired. Sixteen years
ago, as the behavior of voters and politicians showed, abortion was
clearly a winning issue for you. Now it isn't. You have a problem."
It's finally happened: Abortion stopped a bleeding heart.
I guess Sandra Day O'Connor's demand that "the contending sides" on
abortion "end their national division" and accept the court's diktat in
Roe didn't work out for her.
As Abraham Lincoln said of another moral blight on the nation supported
by Democrats: You can "repeal the Declaration of Independence -
repeal all past history - you still cannot repeal human nature. It
will still be the abundance of man's heart, that slavery extension is
wrong; and out of the abundance of his heart, his mouth will continue
to speak."
Or, as Justice Antonin Scalia said, the court's refusal to overrule the
lawless Roe decision would not stand because of "the twin facts that
the American people love democracy and the American people are not
fools."
With even liberals backing away from Roe, apparently the last group of
people on Earth to realize the Supreme Court's abortion jurisprudence
is a catastrophe is going to be the Supreme Court.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
06 Mar 2006 10:23:06 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Craig Chilton -- IMPEACH Perfidious Bush... NOW!!" <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that
abortion is wrong because it destroys human life?
Not just "human life", "a human life". There's a huge difference.
NO difference.
Yes HUGE difference. "human life" may be any blob of cells, *a* human life
is an animal, capable of reproduction, thinking, and every other human
Crutch farts his made-up definition and expects everybody to accept it.
The definition I submit *is* what has moral significance.
More of Crutch's gilded farts.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- IMPEACH Perfidious Bush... NOW!!" |
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06 Mar 2006 05:33:31 AM |
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On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 01:47:18 -0800,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton<xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote
[ ... ]
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that
abortion is wrong because it destroys human life?
Not just "human life", "a human life". There's a huge difference.
NO difference.
Yes HUGE difference. "human life" may be any blob of cells, *a*
human life is an animal, capable of reproduction, thinking, and every
other human
Crutch farts his made-up definition and expects everybody to accept it.
The definition I submit *is* what has moral significance. You can't refute
it validly.
Wanna BET? (See the sig that neither you nor any other doltish
Anti-Choicer can disprove ANY of. It will haunt you forever.)
Once again you prove yourself to be a blithering idiot. Since
abortion is nothing more than a hugely-valuable and beneficial
REMEDY, and nothing more.
The ONLY way it can ever be a moral issue is when ludicrous and
bigoted clowns like you stupidly are IMmoral enough to seek to
impose a 9-month-long form of RAPE upon tens of millions of women
for NO good reason whatsoever. You are obsessed with blind and
moronic hatefulness.
And THAT is why all SENSIBLE people recognize that the control-
freakish Anti-Choicers/homophobes/RRR Cultists comprise America's
National Laughingstock. Just like the segregationists of 40+ years ago...
and their loathsome agendas will soon suffer the SAME ignominious
fate: EXTINCTION.
Then... GOOD RIDDANCE to *very* putrid rubbish, forevermore.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensable to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness*
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
* (AFTER the 7th month of gestation begins, conscious
awareness may be possible, but all the other of the above-
listed attributes still apply.)
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, BIRTHrights. and first-BORNS.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the 21st century to date,
in the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic
period of time for any nation in the entire history of the
world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
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| User: "Dutch" |
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| Title: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
06 Mar 2006 06:16:28 AM |
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"Craig Chilton -- IMPEACH Perfidious Bush... NOW!!" <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that
abortion is wrong because it destroys human life?
Not just "human life", "a human life". There's a huge
difference.
NO difference.
Yes HUGE difference. "human life" may be any blob of cells, *a*
human life is an animal, capable of reproduction, thinking, and every
other human
Crutch farts his made-up definition and expects everybody to accept
it.
The definition I submit *is* what has moral significance. You can't
refute
it validly.
Wanna BET?
Any amount you name. Let's set it up and we will submit to a university to
adjudicate. My claim is that a fetus is a unique human being, completely and
utterly functionally unlike sperm, ova, hair follicles, toenails or whatever
other claptrap you cook up. For every difference between a fetus and an
infant I could list one thousand similarities. A fetus has a beating heart,
a functioning liver, brain and digestive system. It is developing, taking
nourishment and growing towards becoming independent from it's mother and
eventually an adult human being.
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| User: "Craig Chilton -- IMPEACH Perfidious Bush... NOW!!" |
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06 Mar 2006 05:41:34 AM |
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On 06 Mar 2006 05:50:53 GMT,
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
"Dutch" <COWARD'S@email.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that
abortion is wrong because it destroys human life?
Not just "human life", "a human life". There's a huge difference.
NO difference.
Yes HUGE difference. "human life" may be any blob of cells, *a*
human life is an animal, capable of reproduction, thinking, and every
other human
Crutch farts his made-up definition and expects everybody to accept it.
Yep. What a complete dolt!
And what's REALLY hilarious about him is his totally-abject HYPOCRISY.
Since he, just like pretty much ALL other loons who are moronic enough
to pursue an agenda that would FORCE millions of women, against their will,
to undergo full gestation (which is absolutely NONE of their business, and
would be a very real form of RAPE) -- look the other way and whistle a tune
while *men* electively abort a QUADRILLION potential people DAILY,
worldwide. Every one of which is:
-- unique
-- human
-- a Stage One reproductive-process entity, without which NO births
could ever take place. And a stage at which every person alive
once was.
-- alive.
Thus, ALL of those entities are EVERY BIT as unique and important
with respect to reproduction as the three stages that he and his equally-
stupid cohorts that they are whiningly trying to defend. The only
significant difference is that the ODDS improve for any given gamete
after it moves on to Stage 2.
So this cretin would make life miserable for millions of real people
and impose immense hardship upon them ONLY because the **ODDS**
are better for ultimate birth, for the Stage 2, 3, and 4 entities.
What a complete jerk. A VERY *stupid* jerk.
There's no such thing as an Anti-Choicer who has much of a brain.
Or he couldn't possibly even BE an Anti-Choicer.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222_@mchsi.com>
---
RRR Cult lemmings.
Dumber than dirt. America's own version of the Taliban.
Selfishly, hatefully, and mindlessly supporting sociopathic
agendas that seek to destroy vital personal liberties of
millions of people. (That's as dumb as it GETS!!!)
And constantly proving that to everyone.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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28 Feb 2006 01:29:04 PM |
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On 28 Feb 2006 11:24:33 -0800, "ritpg" <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion is
wrong because it destroys human life? Nah, I don't think so either.
He's far worse than hopeless. He's positively obsessed with the
pleasure of killing babies and that's just plain sick.
Why are you equivocating between "human being" and "human life"? It is
a dishonest pretence that they are the same.
And I love it when he gets mad.
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| User: "Dutch" |
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02 Mar 2006 04:48:49 AM |
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"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote
On 28 Feb 2006 11:24:33 -0800, "ritpg" <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion is
wrong because it destroys human life? Nah, I don't think so either.
He's far worse than hopeless. He's positively obsessed with the
pleasure of killing babies and that's just plain sick.
Why are you equivocating between "human being" and "human life"? It is
a dishonest pretence that they are the same.
Why are you equivocating between "human life" and "a human life"? It is a
dishonest pretense that they are the same.
That was a rhetorical question, I know why you do it.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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28 Feb 2006 05:06:32 PM |
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ritpg <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die so
long as you can subjugate women.
He's far worse than hopeless. He's positively obsessed with the
pleasure of killing babies and that's just plain sick.
See the evil lies and hate of the anti-abortion fanatic.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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02 Mar 2006 04:52:17 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
ritpg <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that, in fact it's clearly just a
scattergun argument you heard somewhere.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Mar 2006 11:30:28 AM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
ritpg <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that,
Of course there is. The pro-liar goal of forcing women to suffer for
sex by being forced to carry a fetus to term and give birth.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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02 Mar 2006 06:36:38 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:44072bb4$0$58092$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
ritpg <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that,
Of course there is.
Where is it? Because they don't send money to prevent third-world children
from starving? You don't do that either, yet presumably YOU don't exhibit
these alleged controlling and sadistic tendencies. Your accusation doesn't
hold up.
The pro-liar goal of forcing women to suffer for
sex by being forced to carry a fetus to term and give birth.
I see, and this alleged sadistic motivation is more logical than the more
obvious identification with an innocent unborn exactly why?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Mar 2006 08:28:48 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:44072bb4$0$58092$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
ritpg <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that,
Of course there is.
Where is it?
In the next sentence.
Because they don't send money to prevent third-world children
from starving?
That's certainly very good evidence that you care about saving lives.
You don't do that either,
And you don't care about saving lives either.
yet presumably YOU don't exhibit
these alleged controlling and sadistic tendencies. Your accusation doesn't
hold up.
Whine all you like, your actions show indifference to people's lives.
The pro-liar goal of forcing women to suffer for
sex by being forced to carry a fetus to term and give birth.
I see, and this alleged sadistic motivation is more logical than the more
obvious identification with an innocent unborn exactly why?
Your actions don't fit your rhetoric.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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02 Mar 2006 11:00:08 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4407a9e0$0$58101$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:44072bb4$0$58092$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
ritpg <ritpg@hotmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that,
Of course there is.
Where is it?
In the next sentence.
Because they don't send money to prevent third-world children
from starving?
That's certainly very good evidence that you care about saving lives.
It's not a valid argument, it's sophistry. Maybe overpopulation, drought,
disease and starvation on the other side of the world is a problem beyond
anyone's capability to solve, but the killing of fetuses in our own
countries isn't. People care about puppies being starved in their own
neighbourhoods more than people starving 10,000 miles away.
You don't do that either,
And you don't care about saving lives either.
So you don't care about saving lives but at least you're consistent, is that
the argument? Is it not OK to care about some innocent lives being taken
while not solving every tragedy in the world? What about your alleged
concern about women's health?
yet presumably YOU don't exhibit
these alleged controlling and sadistic tendencies. Your accusation doesn't
hold up.
Whine all you like, your actions show indifference to people's lives.
We're all indifferent to human suffering to some degree, you have to be to
remain sane in this world, that doesn't mean you can't care about some
issues.
The pro-liar goal of forcing women to suffer for
sex by being forced to carry a fetus to term and give birth.
I see, and this alleged sadistic motivation is more logical than the more
obvious identification with an innocent unborn exactly why?
Your actions don't fit your rhetoric.
Let's see if that shoe fits someone else... If there is any suffering in the
world that we are not directly working on, we become hypocrites if I care
about any injustice. OK, so how am I to believe that you care about the
injustice towards women of anti-abortion laws when you are not working on
the problem of starving women in Africa or brutally oppressed women in
Pakistan?
Seems like your sophistry bites both ways...
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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03 Mar 2006 12:02:33 AM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that,
Of course there is.
Where is it?
In the next sentence.
Because they don't send money to prevent third-world children
from starving?
That's certainly very good evidence that you don't care about saving lives.
It's not a valid argument, it's sophistry.
Even though you can't say why.
Maybe overpopulation, drought,
disease and starvation on the other side of the world is a problem beyond
anyone's capability to solve, but the killing of fetuses in our own
countries isn't.
That's just whining.
You can save the lives of children on the other side of the world
cheaply and easily. But you whine that it's too hard.
You can even prevent abortions by simply paying women to give birth
instead. But you don't because it would require sacrifices from you.
So instead you condemn others for not doing enough when you can't be
bothered to do much of anything.
You don't do that either,
And you don't care about saving lives either.
So you don't care about saving lives but at least you're consistent, is that
the argument?
Whether or not I do anything, at least I am not a hypocrite who
expects others to do what I do not. And I'm not a liar who claims to
care about people's lives while turning a blind eye to their
suffering.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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03 Mar 2006 03:49:22 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion
is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence
that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that,
Of course there is.
Where is it?
In the next sentence.
Because they don't send money to prevent third-world children
from starving?
That's certainly very good evidence that you don't care about saving
lives.
It's not a valid argument, it's sophistry.
Even though you can't say why.
I explained exactly why. By that reasoning anything you do can be condemned
as hypocrisy by simply finding something you didn't do.
Maybe overpopulation, drought,
disease and starvation on the other side of the world is a problem beyond
anyone's capability to solve, but the killing of fetuses in our own
countries isn't.
That's just whining.
It's reality. You can advocate for a cause you believe in, even though there
are many causes you can't or don't address.
You can save the lives of children on the other side of the world
cheaply and easily.
How?
But you whine that it's too hard.
It's too hard for the combined resources of all the western nations, how do
you expect me to do it?
You can even prevent abortions by simply paying women to give birth
instead. But you don't because it would require sacrifices from you.
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
So instead you condemn others for not doing enough when you can't be
bothered to do much of anything.
False assumption, and hypocritical.
You don't do that either,
And you don't care about saving lives either.
So you don't care about saving lives but at least you're consistent, is
that
the argument?
Whether or not I do anything, at least I am not a hypocrite who
expects others to do what I do not.
I don't expect anyone to live up to a standard I do not follow.
And I'm not a liar who claims to
care about people's lives while turning a blind eye to their
suffering.
You babble on about the rights and freedoms of women who may lose the right
to abortion on demand, yet you do nothing to stop the heinous suffering and
exploitation of women all over the world. You're a hypocrite, skewered by
your own sophistry.
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| User: "Jez" |
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09 Mar 2006 11:19:47 AM |
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion
is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence
that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die
so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that,
Of course there is.
Where is it?
In the next sentence.
Because they don't send money to prevent third-world children
from starving?
That's certainly very good evidence that you don't care about saving
lives.
It's not a valid argument, it's sophistry.
Even though you can't say why.
I explained exactly why. By that reasoning anything you do can be
condemned as hypocrisy by simply finding something you didn't do.
Maybe overpopulation, drought,
disease and starvation on the other side of the world is a problem beyond
anyone's capability to solve, but the killing of fetuses in our own
countries isn't.
That's just whining.
It's reality. You can advocate for a cause you believe in, even though
there are many causes you can't or don't address.
You can save the lives of children on the other side of the world
cheaply and easily.
How?
But you whine that it's too hard.
It's too hard for the combined resources of all the western nations, how
do you expect me to do it?
You can even prevent abortions by simply paying women to give birth
instead. But you don't because it would require sacrifices from you.
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do with
her body, and it's by-products ?
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Dutch" |
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09 Mar 2006 04:44:53 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
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Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic. Her
children are by-products of her body also.
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| User: "Jez" |
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10 Mar 2006 11:20:29 AM |
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
[..]
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic. Her
children are by-products of her body also.
And are none of your buisness.
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Dutch" |
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10 Mar 2006 05:02:01 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
[..]
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic. Her
children are by-products of her body also.
And are none of your buisness.
False, children are also rights-holders in society.
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| User: "Jez" |
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10 Mar 2006 11:45:54 AM |
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
[..]
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic. Her
children are by-products of her body also.
Save the sperms !!
http://www.mikhaela.net/cgi-bin/showpic.cgi?picdir=toons&picname=sacredsperm.gif
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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10 Mar 2006 12:55:03 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
[..]
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic. Her
children are by-products of her body also.
Save the sperms !!
http://www.mikhaela.net/cgi-bin/showpic.cgi?picdir=toons&picname=sacredsperm.gif
Sherman the wonder sperm?!? SNORT!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ***** Extraordinaire
#1557
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| User: "stoney" |
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11 Mar 2006 09:28:02 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:55:03 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:kISdna9QV53NJozZRVnytQ@pipex.net...
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
[..]
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic. Her
children are by-products of her body also.
Save the sperms !!
http://www.mikhaela.net/cgi-bin/showpic.cgi?picdir=toons&picname=sacredsperm.gif
Sherman the wonder sperm?!? SNORT!
White line fever......
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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11 Mar 2006 11:01:38 AM |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:55:03 -0500, Robibnikoff wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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[quoted text muted]
Sherman the wonder sperm?!? SNORT!
Sure makes *me* wonder. ;-)
Of course, there's the little issue of roughly 20 million motile sperm per
cc. This leads to some minor logistical problems.
http://www.thespermbankofca.org/bds/bds_faq.html
Also, we men have a major problem in that area. We have to urinate. (So
do women, of course, but the circumstances are different.) Since God in
his Infinite Wisdom (or some variant thereof) decided to join the ureter
to the vas deferens, there's a good chance a few of the buggers will sneak
into the junction and get washed out with the wastewater, especially after
the man has drunk his morning cuppa (coffee, tea, milk, orange juice,
blended raw egg, etc.).
Goodbye, Alice. It's been nice knowing you. Billy...you'll be missed.
Carol, your singing would have been wonderful in choir. Donald, we will
honor your death...somehow. Edward, you were supposed to be the
intelligent one, but now you're the dead one. Frank, it's been swell.
Geraldine, what can I say? I'm sorry. But I did have to pee...
--
#191,
Windows Vista. Because everyone wants a really slick-looking 8-sided wheel.
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| User: "Dutch" |
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10 Mar 2006 07:51:40 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
[..]
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic. Her
children are by-products of her body also.
Save the sperms !!
No, no... yawn. Sperm are not living organisms.
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Why do all irrational pro-choice brickheads use these pompous sounding sig
blocks? Do you imagine that they lend credibility to your sophism?
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| User: "Jez" |
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11 Mar 2006 07:19:02 AM |
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
[..]
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic. Her
children are by-products of her body also.
Save the sperms !!
No, no... yawn. Sperm are not living organisms.
Oh really ? Neither are bacteria eh ?
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Why do all irrational pro-choice brickheads use these pompous sounding sig
blocks? Do you imagine that they lend credibility to your sophism?
WTF do you know about 'Credibility' .
And what, pray tell, do you disagree with Zinn on ?
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Dutch" |
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11 Mar 2006 06:23:22 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
[..]
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to
do with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic. Her
children are by-products of her body also.
Save the sperms !!
No, no... yawn. Sperm are not living organisms.
Oh really ? Neither are bacteria eh ?
What do you think?
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
12 Mar 2006 04:56:12 AM |
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
[..]
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to
do with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic. Her
children are by-products of her body also.
Save the sperms !!
No, no... yawn. Sperm are not living organisms.
Oh really ? Neither are bacteria eh ?
What do you think?
I think your a fucking moron, and I should save myself some time and just
kill-file you now, and be done.
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
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| User: "Dutch" |
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14 Apr 2006 04:32:05 PM |
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
[..]
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to
do with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic. Her
children are by-products of her body also.
Save the sperms !!
No, no... yawn. Sperm are not living organisms.
Oh really ? Neither are bacteria eh ?
What do you think?
I think your a fucking moron, and I should save myself some time and just
kill-file you now, and be done.
Hey Jez, have you figured out the difference between sperm and bacteria yet?
--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
That's lame, The crucial act of independent thinking is to be skeptical of
*your own* description of reality.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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09 Mar 2006 10:58:14 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic.
Too "simple" for you to answer?
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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12 Mar 2006 02:58:42 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic.
Too "simple" for you to answer?
Nope.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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12 Mar 2006 12:24:44 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic.
Too "simple" for you to answer?
Nope.
And yet you can't.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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