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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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28 Feb 2006 06:16:10 AM |
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Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48505
Abortion stops a bleeding heart
Ann Coulter
Posted: January 25, 2006
7:00 p.m. Eastern
The Democrats are trying to "reframe" their message to make people
think they believe abortion is wrong. I think this is going to be a
hard sell if they plan to continue ferociously defending
abortion-on-demand right up until the moment the baby's head is through
the birth canal.
But both the New York Times and the Washington Post have recently run
op-eds by liberals calling for Democrats to abandon their single-minded
devotion to Roe v. Wade.
In the Post, Richard Cohen said it was time for liberals to "untether
abortion rights from Roe." Cohen admitted that conservatives (and "some
liberals," he claimed implausibly) have a point when they say abortion
ought to be decided by the states. This is another way of saying
abortion is not a constitutional right. Kate Michelman: Call your
abortion mill!
In the New York Times, William Saletan gently counseled feminists that
it was time to admit: "It's bad to kill a fetus." And they say liberals
have no values!
Even Jimmy Carter, the Democrats' idea of an evangelical Christian, has
allowed that "I don't believe that Christ would approve of abortions."
(Though Carter added that Christ would approve of abortion if "the
mother's life or health was seriously endangered or the pregnancy
resulted from rape or incest" - or if Jesus really, really needed the
feminists to vote for him.)
It's been a long time coming, but the Democrats are finally throwing
the NARAL ladies off the boat.
One by one, the Democratic Party keeps having to abandon all the insane
positions that have made it the funny, silly party we've come to know
and love.
The gun-control fanatics were thrown overboard after President Bill
Clinton and a Democratic Congress passed the 1994 crime bill that
banned so-called "assault weapons" - i.e., otherwise completely legal
semiautomatic weapons that looked scary to Dianne Feinstein.
As a result, the Democrats lost Congress for the first time in 40 years
and lost the South forever. When is the last time you heard a Democrat
use the words "gun control"?
In 1995, the new Republican Congress sent a welfare reform bill to
Clinton, a man who had campaigned on "mend it, don't end it" and then
refused to do anything about it.
Not one Democrat resigned from the Clinton administration when Clinton
turned out to be molesting the help and committing lots of felonies.
But a whole slew of them resigned to protest Clinton's signing the
Republicans' welfare reform bill.
You never hear a peep out of Democrats anymore about restoring
government welfare programs to their former glory.
Now it's the abortion ladies' turn.
As Saletan informed feminists in his Times column:
"You can tell yourself that the pro-choice majority stayed home in the
last election, or that they voted on other issues, or that Democrats
botched the debate. But those excuses are getting tired. Sixteen years
ago, as the behavior of voters and politicians showed, abortion was
clearly a winning issue for you. Now it isn't. You have a problem."
It's finally happened: Abortion stopped a bleeding heart.
I guess Sandra Day O'Connor's demand that "the contending sides" on
abortion "end their national division" and accept the court's diktat in
Roe didn't work out for her.
As Abraham Lincoln said of another moral blight on the nation supported
by Democrats: You can "repeal the Declaration of Independence -
repeal all past history - you still cannot repeal human nature. It
will still be the abundance of man's heart, that slavery extension is
wrong; and out of the abundance of his heart, his mouth will continue
to speak."
Or, as Justice Antonin Scalia said, the court's refusal to overrule the
lawless Roe decision would not stand because of "the twin facts that
the American people love democracy and the American people are not
fools."
With even liberals backing away from Roe, apparently the last group of
people on Earth to realize the Supreme Court's abortion jurisprudence
is a catastrophe is going to be the Supreme Court.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
12 Mar 2006 07:14:57 AM |
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In article <1217om3kbd7gr7e@news.supernews.com>,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Jez" <iced_spear@nodamnspamdsl.pipex.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Why should you be allowed to have ANY say over what a woman wants to do
with her body, and it's by-products ?
That's a fine argument, as far as it goes, but it is simplistic.
Too "simple" for you to answer?
Nope.
denial isn't healthy, child.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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04 Mar 2006 12:16:58 AM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that abortion
is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence
that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that,
Of course there is.
Where is it?
In the next sentence.
Because they don't send money to prevent third-world children
from starving?
That's certainly very good evidence that you don't care about saving
lives.
It's not a valid argument, it's sophistry.
Even though you can't say why.
I explained exactly why.
The oldest form of ***** in the newsgroups is to claim you provided
the proof in some other post.
You're a liar and a coward.
Maybe overpopulation, drought,
disease and starvation on the other side of the world is a problem beyond
anyone's capability to solve, but the killing of fetuses in our own
countries isn't.
That's just whining.
It's reality.
You find sime excuse to kill starving children but condemn women for
geting abortions.
You're a hypocrite.
You can advocate for a cause you believe in,
You don't believe in saving lives. You're just a sleazy
control freak.
You can save the lives of children on the other side of the world
cheaply and easily.
How?
Send money to charities and relief agencies.
But you whine that it's too hard.
It's too hard for the combined resources of all the western nations,
What a pathetic hypcorite you are.
You can even prevent abortions by simply paying women to give birth
instead. But you don't because it would require sacrifices from you.
Why should I pay someone to bear their own children?
Because you _claim_ you want to save lives.
Obviously you don't. You just want to make women obey.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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04 Mar 2006 01:55:54 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that
abortion
is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence
that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die
so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that,
Of course there is.
Where is it?
In the next sentence.
Because they don't send money to prevent third-world children
from starving?
That's certainly very good evidence that you don't care about saving
lives.
It's not a valid argument, it's sophistry.
Even though you can't say why.
I explained exactly why.
The oldest form of ***** in the newsgroups is to claim you provided
the proof in some other post.
Except that I restated it, you know, that bit you just snipped away without
noting?
"By that reasoning anything you do can be condemned
as hypocrisy by simply finding something you didn't do."
You're a liar and a coward.
ROTFL! You're pitiful.
[..]
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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04 Mar 2006 12:10:21 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:440930da$0$58049$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that
abortion
is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no evidence
that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen die
so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that,
Of course there is.
Where is it?
In the next sentence.
Because they don't send money to prevent third-world children
from starving?
That's certainly very good evidence that you don't care about saving
lives.
It's not a valid argument, it's sophistry.
Even though you can't say why.
I explained exactly why.
The oldest form of ***** in the newsgroups is to claim you provided
the proof in some other post.
Except that I restated it, you know, that bit you just snipped away without
noting?
"By that reasoning anything you do can be condemned
as hypocrisy by simply finding something you didn't do."
You only show that you're a dishonest idiot.
You do not care about saving lives because you don't do anything to
save lives. I didn't refer to "anything you do". I refer to YOUR
SPECIFIC CLAIMS!
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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04 Mar 2006 08:16:34 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Does anyone think this guy could ever accept the fact that
abortion
is
wrong because it destroys human life?
You don't care about destroying human life. There is no
evidence
that
you care in the slighest whether 1, 100, or a million childen
die
so
long as you can subjugate women.
There's no evidence that he wants that,
Of course there is.
Where is it?
In the next sentence.
Because they don't send money to prevent third-world children
from starving?
That's certainly very good evidence that you don't care about saving
lives.
It's not a valid argument, it's sophistry.
Even though you can't say why.
I explained exactly why.
The oldest form of ***** in the newsgroups is to claim you provided
the proof in some other post.
Except that I restated it, you know, that bit you just snipped away
without
noting?
"By that reasoning anything you do can be condemned
as hypocrisy by simply finding something you didn't do."
You only show that you're a dishonest idiot.
Because YOU snipped away my response then claimed I didn't respond?
You do not care about saving lives because you don't do anything to
save lives. I didn't refer to "anything you do". I refer to YOUR
SPECIFIC CLAIMS!
I haven't made any specific claims about saving starving third-world
children, liar.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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04 Mar 2006 08:25:29 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
You do not care about saving lives because you don't do anything to
save lives. I didn't refer to "anything you do". I refer to YOUR
SPECIFIC CLAIMS!
I haven't made any specific claims about saving starving third-world
children, liar.
So now you try to claim that starving 3rd-world children aren't human
lives worth caring about.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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04 Mar 2006 09:12:06 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:440a4c19$0$58120$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
You do not care about saving lives because you don't do anything to
save lives. I didn't refer to "anything you do". I refer to YOUR
SPECIFIC CLAIMS!
I haven't made any specific claims about saving starving third-world
children, liar.
So now you try to claim that starving 3rd-world children aren't human
lives worth caring about.
Covering up lies with more lies Ray? You're no good at sophistry, you should
try telling the truth.
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| User: "" |
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05 Mar 2006 12:26:13 AM |
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Hello Dutch,
I've been reading along and I was hoping to clarify the issue between
you and Ray.
If the argument is that abortion is wrong as it is results in the death
of a child, would you agree that any action (or inaction) that results
in the death of a human in wrong?
I would disagree with Ray in that, one can hold an opinion without
having to act upon it. IOW, you don't have to send money to Pakistan or
Africa to believe that X is wrong.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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05 Mar 2006 12:52:41 AM |
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<a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've been reading along and I was hoping to clarify the issue between
you and Ray.
If the argument is that abortion is wrong as it is results in the death
of a child, would you agree that any action (or inaction) that results
in the death of a human in wrong?
I would disagree with Ray in that, one can hold an opinion without
having to act upon it. IOW, you don't have to send money to Pakistan or
Africa to believe that X is wrong.
When somebody claims to care about the well-being of children but does
nothing about it, they are lying to themselves and others. When
they claims to care about children as an excuse to force other
people to help, then they are lying and evil as well.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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05 Mar 2006 04:46:32 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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<a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've been reading along and I was hoping to clarify the issue between
you and Ray.
If the argument is that abortion is wrong as it is results in the death
of a child, would you agree that any action (or inaction) that results
in the death of a human in wrong?
I would disagree with Ray in that, one can hold an opinion without
having to act upon it. IOW, you don't have to send money to Pakistan or
Africa to believe that X is wrong.
When somebody claims to care about the well-being of children but does
nothing about it, they are lying to themselves and others.
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong requires
nothing more than that. I believe torturing kittens is wrong, but I have
never done one thing in my life to stop anyone from doing it.
When
they claims to care about children as an excuse to force other
people to help, then they are lying and evil as well.
That's the old, "if you think killing is wrong then don't do it" argument
huh?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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05 Mar 2006 11:40:18 AM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
<a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've been reading along and I was hoping to clarify the issue between
you and Ray.
If the argument is that abortion is wrong as it is results in the death
of a child, would you agree that any action (or inaction) that results
in the death of a human in wrong?
I would disagree with Ray in that, one can hold an opinion without
having to act upon it. IOW, you don't have to send money to Pakistan or
Africa to believe that X is wrong.
When somebody claims to care about the well-being of children but does
nothing about it, they are lying to themselves and others.
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children. The problem with
that approach is that people quickly see that the "morally wrong"
argument is also crap because you try to justify the morally wrong
practice of slavery and torture by claiming you care about morality.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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05 Mar 2006 10:54:00 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
<a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've been reading along and I was hoping to clarify the issue between
you and Ray.
If the argument is that abortion is wrong as it is results in the death
of a child, would you agree that any action (or inaction) that results
in the death of a human in wrong?
I would disagree with Ray in that, one can hold an opinion without
having to act upon it. IOW, you don't have to send money to Pakistan or
Africa to believe that X is wrong.
When somebody claims to care about the well-being of children but does
nothing about it, they are lying to themselves and others.
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children.
No you can't. The only reason to believe something is wrong is because of
the harm it does. No harm, no wrong.
The problem with
that approach is that people quickly see that the "morally wrong"
argument is also crap because you try to justify the morally wrong
practice of slavery and torture by claiming you care about morality.
That's a fake argument. Just because people sometimes use phony
justifications for immoral reasons does NOT mean that is what opponents of
abortion are doing.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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05 Mar 2006 11:47:50 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
<a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've been reading along and I was hoping to clarify the issue between
you and Ray.
If the argument is that abortion is wrong as it is results in the death
of a child, would you agree that any action (or inaction) that results
in the death of a human in wrong?
I would disagree with Ray in that, one can hold an opinion without
having to act upon it. IOW, you don't have to send money to Pakistan or
Africa to believe that X is wrong.
When somebody claims to care about the well-being of children but does
nothing about it, they are lying to themselves and others.
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children.
No you can't.
Why not?
The only reason to believe something is wrong is because of
the harm it does.
Again, you can claim it does harm without lying that you care about
children.
The problem with
that approach is that people quickly see that the "morally wrong"
argument is also crap because you try to justify the morally wrong
practice of slavery and torture by claiming you care about morality.
That's a fake argument.
Run away, pro-liar coward.
Just because people sometimes use phony
justifications for immoral reasons
Peeople like you?
does NOT mean that is what opponents of
abortion are doing.
But, in this case, that is what you're doing.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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| Title: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
06 Mar 2006 03:32:21 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:440bcd06$0$58108$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
<a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've been reading along and I was hoping to clarify the issue between
you and Ray.
If the argument is that abortion is wrong as it is results in the
death
of a child, would you agree that any action (or inaction) that results
in the death of a human in wrong?
I would disagree with Ray in that, one can hold an opinion without
having to act upon it. IOW, you don't have to send money to Pakistan
or
Africa to believe that X is wrong.
When somebody claims to care about the well-being of children but does
nothing about it, they are lying to themselves and others.
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children.
No you can't.
Why not?
Because it makes no sense, nobody would ever do it. You wouldn't think it
was wrong if you didn't care.
The only reason to believe something is wrong is because of
the harm it does.
Again, you can claim it does harm without lying that you care about
children.
You have no valid evidence that opponents of abortion are not focused on the
killing of fetuses, it is what abortion is primarily about to them and how
they see it. Your ad hominem assaults on them are simply diversions, very
weak and unconvincing attempts at discrediting people you disagree with.
The problem with
that approach is that people quickly see that the "morally wrong"
argument is also crap because you try to justify the morally wrong
practice of slavery and torture by claiming you care about morality.
That's a fake argument.
Run away, pro-liar coward.
Just because people sometimes use phony
justifications for immoral reasons
Peeople like you?
does NOT mean that is what opponents of
abortion are doing.
But, in this case, that is what you're doing.
That's your assertion, but it is false.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
06 Mar 2006 10:20:44 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:440bcd06$0$58108$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
<a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've been reading along and I was hoping to clarify the issue between
you and Ray.
If the argument is that abortion is wrong as it is results in the
death
of a child, would you agree that any action (or inaction) that results
in the death of a human in wrong?
I would disagree with Ray in that, one can hold an opinion without
having to act upon it. IOW, you don't have to send money to Pakistan
or
Africa to believe that X is wrong.
When somebody claims to care about the well-being of children but does
nothing about it, they are lying to themselves and others.
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children.
No you can't.
Why not?
Because it makes no sense, nobody would ever do it.
Or you're stupid.
You wouldn't think it
was wrong if you didn't care.
Why?
The only reason to believe something is wrong is because of
the harm it does.
Again, you can claim it does harm without lying that you care about
children.
You have no valid evidence that opponents of abortion are not focused on the
killing of fetuses,
Yes I do.
it is what abortion is primarily about
A lie. Abortion is primarily the right of people to decide how their
own bodies will be ised.
Your ad hominem assaults
Are just your whining that you don't like the truth.
The problem with
that approach is that people quickly see that the "morally wrong"
argument is also crap because you try to justify the morally wrong
practice of slavery and torture by claiming you care about morality.
That's a fake argument.
Run away, pro-liar coward.
Just because people sometimes use phony
justifications for immoral reasons
People like you?
does NOT mean that is what opponents of
abortion are doing.
But, in this case, that is what you're doing.
That's your assertion, but it is false.
You've already argued that fetuses should have the right
to use a woman's body without her consent, thus making
her into a slave.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Dutch" |
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| Title: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
07 Mar 2006 05:19:48 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
<a_f_r_i_e_n_d@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've been reading along and I was hoping to clarify the issue
between
you and Ray.
If the argument is that abortion is wrong as it is results in the
death
of a child, would you agree that any action (or inaction) that
results
in the death of a human in wrong?
I would disagree with Ray in that, one can hold an opinion without
having to act upon it. IOW, you don't have to send money to Pakistan
or
Africa to believe that X is wrong.
When somebody claims to care about the well-being of children but
does
nothing about it, they are lying to themselves and others.
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children.
No you can't.
Why not?
Because it makes no sense, nobody would ever do it.
Or you're stupid.
It's more logical to conclude that you're just making it up to prop up your
failing arguments.
You wouldn't think it
was wrong if you didn't care.
Why?
The only reason to believe something is wrong is because of
the harm it does.
Again, you can claim it does harm without lying that you care about
children.
You have no valid evidence that opponents of abortion are not focused on
the
killing of fetuses,
Yes I do.
Nope, you can't have any, because they are.
it is what abortion is primarily about
A lie. Abortion is primarily the right of people to decide how their
own bodies will be ised.
Abortion is about killing a fetus to escape an unwanted pregnancy.
"Choice" is about the right of a woman to do it.
You toss around so many strawmen don't even remember what we're talking
about.
Your ad hominem assaults
Are //
Are evidence that your arguments can't stand up.
The problem with
that approach is that people quickly see that the "morally wrong"
argument is also crap because you try to justify the morally wrong
practice of slavery and torture by claiming you care about morality.
That's a fake argument.
Run away, pro-liar coward.
Just because people sometimes use phony
justifications for immoral reasons
People like you?
does NOT mean that is what opponents of
abortion are doing.
But, in this case, that is what you're doing.
That's your assertion, but it is false.
You've already argued that fetuses should have the right
to use a woman's body without her consent, thus making
her into a slave.
I did? Show the quote. You can't, because you're a liar. I never said that.
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08 Mar 2006 10:32:06 PM |
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children.
No you can't.
Why not?
Because it makes no sense, nobody would ever do it.
Or you're stupid.
It's more logical to conclude that you're just making it up to prop up
your failing arguments.
Making *what* up ? You're inability to grasp the simple notion that pro-life
are hypocrites ?
Heck any man that is against abortion and supporting a government that will
restrict a women's control over her own body has to be a fascist.
You wouldn't think it
was wrong if you didn't care.
Why?
The only reason to believe something is wrong is because of
the harm it does.
That would explain homophobia for example... Perceived wrong and harm do not
allways go hand in hand.
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour has an abortion ????
Again, you can claim it does harm without lying that you care about
children.
You have no valid evidence that opponents of abortion are not focused on
the
killing of fetuses,
Yes I do.
Nope, you can't have any, because they are.
Well no they couldn't care less about human lives since these same idiots
are pro war.
You're saying "they are" is the argument one would expect from a 4 year old
(who had a butched abortion).
it is what abortion is primarily about
A lie. Abortion is primarily the right of people to decide how their
own bodies will be ised.
Abortion is about killing a fetus to escape an unwanted pregnancy.
Sure, what is wrong with killing a fetus ? How does it arm you ?
Why do you care more about the fetus and less about the more developped
woman ? What logical basis can you possibly pretend to have for such a
ludicrious position ?
"Choice" is about the right of a woman to do it.
You toss around so many strawmen don't even remember what we're talking
about.
You forgot a "I" before "don't" to indicate your complete confusion.
Your ad hominem assaults
Are //
Are evidence that your arguments can't stand up.
In your brain they don't seem to, but what does ?
The problem with
that approach is that people quickly see that the "morally wrong"
argument is also crap because you try to justify the morally wrong
practice of slavery and torture by claiming you care about morality.
That's a fake argument.
Run away, pro-liar coward.
Just because people sometimes use phony
justifications for immoral reasons
People like you?
does NOT mean that is what opponents of
abortion are doing.
But, in this case, that is what you're doing.
That's your assertion, but it is false.
You've already argued that fetuses should have the right
to use a woman's body without her consent, thus making
her into a slave.
I did? Show the quote. You can't, because you're a liar. I never said
that.
You clearly implied it (it's called deductions, some people can do these
others can't)
I thought you were against abortion..... you probably never said that
either.
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09 Mar 2006 02:58:35 AM |
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"Jack" <jklewis@hotmail.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote ]
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong
requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children.
No you can't.
Why not?
Because it makes no sense, nobody would ever do it.
Or you're stupid.
It's more logical to conclude that you're just making it up to prop up
your failing arguments.
Making *what* up ?
His ***** strawman arguments.
You're inability to grasp the simple notion that pro-life are hypocrites ?
I understand that notion. I find it an irrelevant ad hominem accusation.
Heck any man that is against abortion and supporting a government that
will restrict a women's control over her own body has to be a fascist.
The part of the outraged simpleton has been filled, we'll call you if
there's an opening.
You wouldn't think it
was wrong if you didn't care.
Why?
The only reason to believe something is wrong is because of
the harm it does.
That would explain homophobia for example... Perceived wrong and harm do
not allways go hand in hand.
Homosexuality is not wrong or harmful, homophobia *is* wrong, and it it is
harmful. My comment stands.
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour has an abortion ????
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour tortures their children?
Please don't bother arguing that fetuses aren't children, or that child
abuse is illegal, the point was a refutation of your "mind your own
business" argument.
Again, you can claim it does harm without lying that you care about
children.
You have no valid evidence that opponents of abortion are not focused on
the
killing of fetuses,
Yes I do.
Nope, you can't have any, because they are.
Well no they couldn't care less about human lives since these same idiots
are pro war.
I'm not. I hate war AND abortion.
You're saying "they are" is the argument one would expect from a 4 year
old (who had a butched abortion).
Please no lame fallacies, that role is taken too.
it is what abortion is primarily about
A lie. Abortion is primarily the right of people to decide how their
own bodies will be ised.
Abortion is about killing a fetus to escape an unwanted pregnancy.
Sure, what is wrong with killing a fetus ?
It's a human life, you and I were once fetuses, we got a chance at life,
they don't. It's not fair.
How does it arm you ?
It demeans and dehumanizes and makes hypocrites of everyone who claims to
believe in the sanctity of human life.
Why do you care more about the fetus and less about the more developped
woman ? What logical basis can you possibly pretend to have for such a
ludicrious position ?
If the choice were one or the other then I would not care more about the
fetus, but usually both will survive quite well.
"Choice" is about the right of a woman to do it.
You toss around so many strawmen don't even remember what we're talking
about.
You forgot a "I" before "don't" to indicate your complete confusion.
You don't understand my position yet, so I'll excuse your knee-jerk
responses, for now.
Your ad hominem assaults
Are //
Are evidence that your arguments can't stand up.
In your brain they don't seem to, but what does ?
OK, the job of just hurling random insults is also taken..
The problem with
that approach is that people quickly see that the "morally wrong"
argument is also crap because you try to justify the morally wrong
practice of slavery and torture by claiming you care about morality.
That's a fake argument.
Run away, pro-liar coward.
Just because people sometimes use phony
justifications for immoral reasons
People like you?
does NOT mean that is what opponents of
abortion are doing.
But, in this case, that is what you're doing.
That's your assertion, but it is false.
You've already argued that fetuses should have the right
to use a woman's body without her consent, thus making
her into a slave.
I did? Show the quote. You can't, because you're a liar. I never said
that.
You clearly implied it
Where? I am against lying, not against a woman having the final choice about
a pregnancy.
(it's called deductions, some people can do these others can't)
A lot can't, and many of them are right here.
I thought you were against abortion..... you probably never said that
either.
Most people are against abortions. In fact I don't know anyone who likes
them, except maybe Ray Fischer, I am starting to suspect that the very idea
of an abortion gets him hard.
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| User: "Jack" |
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12 Mar 2006 03:34:08 PM |
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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"Jack" <jklewis@hotmail.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote ]
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong
requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children.
No you can't.
Why not?
Because it makes no sense, nobody would ever do it.
Or you're stupid.
It's more logical to conclude that you're just making it up to prop up
your failing arguments.
Making *what* up ?
His ***** strawman arguments.
You're inability to grasp the simple notion that pro-life are hypocrites
?
I understand that notion. I find it an irrelevant ad hominem accusation.
Of course you find it such, that is where the inability lies.
Heck any man that is against abortion and supporting a government that
will restrict a women's control over her own body has to be a fascist.
The part of the outraged simpleton has been filled, we'll call you if
there's an opening.
The ad hominem expert at work. Well done !
You wouldn't think it
was wrong if you didn't care.
Why?
The only reason to believe something is wrong is because of
the harm it does.
That would explain homophobia for example... Perceived wrong and harm do
not allways go hand in hand.
Homosexuality is not wrong or harmful, homophobia *is* wrong, and it it is
harmful. My comment stands.
Your comment is ridiculous, you have no reason (except impotence) to want to
impose your will on pregnant women. Who cares if they have abortion, news
flash: you will never know what it is to be pregnant/raped or anything else.
And even though you were not aborted you will surely die a meaningless
death.
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour has an abortion ????
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour tortures their children?
You equate a fetus with a born children ? You apparentley lack any power of
discrimination.
Your mind is probably that of a fetus anyway.
Please don't bother arguing that fetuses aren't children,
I don't argue self evident things with retards.
or that child abuse is illegal, the point was a refutation of your "mind
your own business" argument.
Mind your own business is such a crazy notion ...
Off course it assumes you have some business of your own, which is clearly
not the case with you.
Again, you can claim it does harm without lying that you care about
children.
You have no valid evidence that opponents of abortion are not focused
on the
killing of fetuses,
Yes I do.
Nope, you can't have any, because they are.
Well no they couldn't care less about human lives since these same idiots
are pro war.
I'm not. I hate war AND abortion.
Why would you have such strong irrationnal feelings about what other women
do with their own bodies ? How small are you ?
You're saying "they are" is the argument one would expect from a 4 year
old (who had a butched abortion).
Please no lame fallacies, that role is taken too.
Ok here you go, you can have it back.
it is what abortion is primarily about
A lie. Abortion is primarily the right of people to decide how their
own bodies will be ised.
Abortion is about killing a fetus to escape an unwanted pregnancy.
Sure, what is wrong with killing a fetus ?
It's a human life, you and I were once fetuses, we got a chance at life,
they don't. It's not fair.
Well duuuhhh, life isn't fair, heck I'm sure getting raped and pregnant at
14 is a great chance for a life but not everybody would agree, I don't see
why your opinon should matter in other people's lives. Explain why a 14 year
old raped pregnant girl should listen to your mindless drivel ?
How does it arm you ?
It demeans and dehumanizes and makes hypocrites of everyone who claims to
believe in the sanctity of human life.
The question was: How does it arm you ?
You obviously can't answer it. It doesn't harm you and it is NONE of your
concern.
Why do you care more about the fetus and less about the more developped
woman ? What logical basis can you possibly pretend to have for such a
ludicrious position ?
If the choice were one or the other then I would not care more about the
fetus, but usually both will survive quite well.
"Usually", abortions are clearly very usual things in the every day life of
the average woman.... what an idiot.
"Choice" is about the right of a woman to do it.
You toss around so many strawmen don't even remember what we're talking
about.
You forgot a "I" before "don't" to indicate your complete confusion.
You don't understand my position yet, so I'll excuse your knee-jerk
responses, for now.
I don't care what your position is, you are a man and have no say in this
manner. Women will get abortions whether or not they are legal or seen as
wrong by busy bodies like you.
Your ad hominem assaults
Are //
Are evidence that your arguments can't stand up.
In your brain they don't seem to, but what does ?
OK, the job of just hurling random insults is also taken..
This not so witty come back is really getting old.
The problem with
that approach is that people quickly see that the "morally wrong"
argument is also crap because you try to justify the morally wrong
practice of slavery and torture by claiming you care about
morality.
That's a fake argument.
Run away, pro-liar coward.
Just because people sometimes use phony
justifications for immoral reasons
People like you?
does NOT mean that is what opponents of
abortion are doing.
But, in this case, that is what you're doing.
That's your assertion, but it is false.
You've already argued that fetuses should have the right
to use a woman's body without her consent, thus making
her into a slave.
I did? Show the quote. You can't, because you're a liar. I never said
that.
You clearly implied it
Where? I am against lying, not against a woman having the final choice
about a pregnancy.
So you are against abortions but pro-choice... well that clears it up
nicely, what are you really arguing about then ?
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12 Mar 2006 07:49:29 PM |
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"Jack" <jklewis@hotmail.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour has an abortion ????
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour tortures their children?
You equate a fetus with a born children ?
You're starting to get the picture.
You apparentley lack any power of discrimination.
Not at all, I can clearly see the differences, can *you* see the
commonality?
[..]
Sure, what is wrong with killing a fetus ?
It's a human life, you and I were once fetuses, we got a chance at life,
they don't. It's not fair.
Well duuuhhh, life isn't fair,
Well then it's OK if I kill you...
heck I'm sure getting raped and pregnant at 14 is a great chance for a
life but not everybody would agree, I don't see why your opinon should
matter in other people's lives. Explain why a 14 year old raped pregnant
girl should listen to your mindless drivel ?
I would never suggest withholding an abortion from any woman who was raped.
How does it arm you ?
It demeans and dehumanizes and makes hypocrites of everyone who claims to
believe in the sanctity of human life.
The question was: How does it arm you ?
The question was answered.
You obviously can't answer it. It doesn't harm you and it is NONE of your
concern.
I already demonstrated that to be a false principle.
Why do you care more about the fetus and less about the more developped
woman ? What logical basis can you possibly pretend to have for such a
ludicrious position ?
If the choice were one or the other then I would not care more about the
fetus, but usually both will survive quite well.
"Usually", abortions are clearly very usual things in the every day life
of the average woman.... what an idiot.
Why are all you pro-abortion advocates irrational, frothing-at-the-mouth
loons? I started reading this newsgroup with an open mind, and I find you
clowns have disgraced and discredited any "pro-choice" ideals you may claim
to support.
[..]
You don't understand my position yet, so I'll excuse your knee-jerk
responses, for now.
I don't care what your position is, you are a man and have no say in this
manner. Women will get abortions whether or not they are legal or seen as
wrong by busy bodies like you.
Well, that's awfully democratic of you, der fuhrer.
Your ad hominem assaults
Are //
Are evidence that your arguments can't stand up.
In your brain they don't seem to, but what does ?
OK, the job of just hurling random insults is also taken..
This not so witty come back is really getting old.
Trite repetition of the same stale irrelevant arguments is also getting old.
The problem with
that approach is that people quickly see that the "morally wrong"
argument is also crap because you try to justify the morally wrong
practice of slavery and torture by claiming you care about
morality.
That's a fake argument.
Run away, pro-liar coward.
Just because people sometimes use phony
justifications for immoral reasons
People like you?
does NOT mean that is what opponents of
abortion are doing.
But, in this case, that is what you're doing.
That's your assertion, but it is false.
You've already argued that fetuses should have the right
to use a woman's body without her consent, thus making
her into a slave.
I did? Show the quote. You can't, because you're a liar. I never said
that.
You clearly implied it
Where? I am against lying, not against a woman having the final choice
about a pregnancy.
So you are against abortions but pro-choice... well that clears it up
nicely, what are you really arguing about then ?
I said it right above.
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| User: "Jack" |
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13 Mar 2006 09:36:21 PM |
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dutch" <no@email.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.abortion,alt.society.liberalism,alt.fan.noam-chomsky,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart
"Jack" <jklewis@hotmail.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour has an abortion ????
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour tortures their children?
You equate a fetus with a born children ?
You're starting to get the picture.
The picture that you lack discernment, yes.
You apparentley lack any power of discrimination.
Not at all, I can clearly see the differences, can *you* see the
commonality?
I'm not the one who is trying to interfere in other people's lives, I
therefore do not need to justify anything. Obviously I see the commonality,
both biological entities will perish after having spent their lives working
to earn them. Everyone should get a fair chance at being a slave.
[..]
Sure, what is wrong with killing a fetus ?
It's a human life, you and I were once fetuses, we got a chance at life,
they don't. It's not fair.
Well duuuhhh, life isn't fair,
Well then it's OK if I kill you...
How pathetic, feel free to try anyday (love those fetus but hate your fellow
man, a great consistent philosophy I would say).
By the way I am not in your womb right now and I am not jeopardizing your
entire future, feel free to attempt to connect the dots.
heck I'm sure getting raped and pregnant at 14 is a great chance for a
life but not everybody would agree, I don't see why your opinon should
matter in other people's lives. Explain why a 14 year old raped pregnant
girl should listen to your mindless drivel ?
I would never suggest withholding an abortion from any woman who was
raped.
Why do you suggest to withhold anything from anybody ? What's it to you ?
How does it arm you ?
It demeans and dehumanizes and makes hypocrites of everyone who claims
to believe in the sanctity of human life.
The question was: How does it arm you ?
The question was answered.
Nope, let me rephrase it since you are apparently a little slow: What
damages can you claim from somebody else that you don't even know having an
abortion ?
I know, it's sad ... you don't really know how to answer this and it proves
how wrong you are (and you know it) but heck it's not my fault if you can't
change your mind.
You obviously can't answer it. It doesn't harm you and it is NONE of your
concern.
I already demonstrated that to be a false principle.
Unsuccessfully, yes.
Why do you care more about the fetus and less about the more developped
woman ? What logical basis can you possibly pretend to have for such a
ludicrious position ?
If the choice were one or the other then I would not care more about the
fetus, but usually both will survive quite well.
"Usually", abortions are clearly very usual things in the every day life
of the average woman.... what an idiot.
Why are all you pro-abortion advocates irrational, frothing-at-the-mouth
loons? I started reading this newsgroup with an open mind, and I find you
clowns have disgraced and discredited any "pro-choice" ideals you may
claim to support.
Who's frothing at the mouth ? It would appear to be you.
Fascinating.
[..]
You don't understand my position yet, so I'll excuse your knee-jerk
responses, for now.
I don't care what your position is, you are a man and have no say in this
manner. Women will get abortions whether or not they are legal or seen as
wrong by busy bodies like you.
Well, that's awfully democratic of you, der fuhrer.
Yep I say let the woman choose and I'm the fuhrer. You just had to make it
clear how degenerate you were.
Your ad hominem assaults
Are //
Are evidence that your arguments can't stand up.
In your brain they don't seem to, but what does ?
OK, the job of just hurling random insults is also taken..
This not so witty come back is really getting old.
Trite repetition of the same stale irrelevant arguments is also getting
old.
Ok so you agree about your come backs, that's something.
I did? Show the quote. You can't, because you're a liar. I never said
that.
You clearly implied it
Where? I am against lying, not against a woman having the final choice
about a pregnancy.
So you are against abortions but pro-choice... well that clears it up
nicely, what are you really arguing about then ?
I said it right above.
Well try and say it again with less froth this time.
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| User: "Dutch" |
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| Title: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
14 Mar 2006 04:02:36 AM |
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"Jack" <jklewis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:TSqRf.11742$a57.377112@wagner.videotron.net...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dutch" <no@email.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.abortion,alt.society.liberalism,alt.fan.noam-chomsky,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart
"Jack" <jklewis@hotmail.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour has an abortion ????
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour tortures their children?
You equate a fetus with a born children ?
You're starting to get the picture.
The picture that you lack discernment, yes.
How so?
You apparentley lack any power of discrimination.
Not at all, I can clearly see the differences, can *you* see the
commonality?
I'm not the one who is trying to interfere in other people's lives, I
therefore do not need to justify anything.
Wrong, you don't get off that easily chump. Answer the question.
Obviously I see the commonality, both biological entities will perish
after having spent their lives working to earn them. Everyone should get a
fair chance at being a slave.
Right you are..
[..]
Sure, what is wrong with killing a fetus ?
It's a human life, you and I were once fetuses, we got a chance at
life, they don't. It's not fair.
Well duuuhhh, life isn't fair,
Well then it's OK if I kill you...
How pathetic, feel free to try anyday (love those fetus but hate your
fellow man, a great consistent philosophy I would say).
I'm not surprised the significance of that comment went right over your
head.
By the way I am not in your womb right now and I am not jeopardizing your
entire future, feel free to attempt to connect the dots.
Whose future is more in jeopardy?
heck I'm sure getting raped and pregnant at 14 is a great chance for a
life but not everybody would agree, I don't see why your opinon should
matter in other people's lives. Explain why a 14 year old raped pregnant
girl should listen to your mindless drivel ?
I would never suggest withholding an abortion from any woman who was
raped.
Why do you suggest to withhold anything from anybody ? What's it to you ?
That boat won't float Jack. The MYOB argument is at the bottom of the river.
<snip>
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| User: "Jack" |
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| Title: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
19 Mar 2006 10:31:38 PM |
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"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote in message
news:121d55rg3qm4d89@news.supernews.com...
"Jack" <jklewis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dutch" <no@email.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism,alt.abortion,alt.society.liberalism,alt.fan.noam-chomsky,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart
"Jack" <jklewis@hotmail.com> wrote
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour has an abortion ????
What is the harm to someone if their neighbour tortures their
children?
You equate a fetus with a born children ?
You're starting to get the picture.
The picture that you lack discernment, yes.
How so?
Go up 4 lines, I can't make it more obvious.
You apparentley lack any power of discrimination.
Not at all, I can clearly see the differences, can *you* see the
commonality?
I'm not the one who is trying to interfere in other people's lives, I
therefore do not need to justify anything.
Wrong, you don't get off that easily chump. Answer the question.
Honestly the commonalities are very few but you have been thaught to believe
otherwise and you can't see beyond what you've been told to see.
Obviously I see the commonality, both biological entities will perish
after having spent their lives working to earn them. Everyone should get
a fair chance at being a slave.
Right you are..
Indeed.
[..]
Sure, what is wrong with killing a fetus ?
It's a human life, you and I were once fetuses, we got a chance at
life, they don't. It's not fair.
Well duuuhhh, life isn't fair,
Well then it's OK if I kill you...
How pathetic, feel free to try anyday (love those fetus but hate your
fellow man, a great consistent philosophy I would say).
I'm not surprised the significance of that comment went right over your
head.
Your comment was rather stupid and lacked any direction my response was
adjusted to your level of understanding.
By the way I am not in your womb right now and I am not jeopardizing your
entire future, feel free to attempt to connect the dots.
Whose future is more in jeopardy?
The fact that you think it's obviously the fetus's shows your complete lack
of critical faculty. You seem unable to question this baseless assumption.
You are the one who must explain why you value the life of a fetus more than
that of a developed human being.
heck I'm sure getting raped and pregnant at 14 is a great chance for a
life but not everybody would agree, I don't see why your opinon should
matter in other people's lives. Explain why a 14 year old raped
pregnant girl should listen to your mindless drivel ?
I would never suggest withholding an abortion from any woman who was
raped.
Why do you suggest to withhold anything from anybody ? What's it to you ?
That boat won't float Jack. The MYOB argument is at the bottom of the
river.
Your metaphore's are sinking faster than the Titanic did, the MYOB still
applies here regardless of your inability to MYOB or lack of YOB to M.
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| Title: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
08 Mar 2006 01:10:33 AM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote in message
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
When somebody claims to care about the well-being of children but
does
nothing about it, they are lying to themselves and others.
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children.
No you can't.
Why not?
Because it makes no sense, nobody would ever do it.
Or you're stupid.
It's more logical to conclude that you're just making it up to prop up your
You're inability to answer my simple question indicates that you're
stupid.
You wouldn't think it
was wrong if you didn't care.
Why?
No answer from the pro-liar.
The only reason to believe something is wrong is because of
the harm it does.
Again, you can claim it does harm without lying that you care about
children.
You have no valid evidence that opponents of abortion are not focused on
the
killing of fetuses,
Yes I do.
Nope,
Crutch, fingers in ears, humming loudly, saying
"la la la La La LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
it is what abortion is primarily about
A lie. Abortion is primarily the right of people to decide how their
own bodies will be ised.
Abortion is about killing a fetus
Keep spewing the lies and hatred, pro-liar. It shows you for the evil
***** that you are.
You have only hatred and lies and they have corrupted you.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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09 Mar 2006 02:40:22 AM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
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When somebody claims to care about the well-being of children but
does
nothing about it, they are lying to themselves and others.
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong
requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children.
No you can't.
Why not?
Because it makes no sense, nobody would ever do it.
Or you're stupid.
It's more logical to conclude that you're just making it up to prop up
your
You're inability to answer my simple question indicates that you're
stupid.
I answered your question. Your inane strawman that pro-lifers are just
sexually repressed control freaks is unsupported and is an idiot's argument.
It's desperation.
You wouldn't think it
was wrong if you didn't care.
Why?
No answer from the pro-liar.
The only reason to believe something is wrong is because of
the harm it does.
Again, you can claim it does harm without lying that you care about
children.
You have no valid evidence that opponents of abortion are not focused on
the
killing of fetuses,
Yes I do.
Nope,
Crutch, fingers in ears, humming loudly, saying
"la la la La La LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
LOL! I hear you talking and saying nothing.
it is what abortion is primarily about
A lie. Abortion is primarily the right of people to decide how their
own bodies will be ised.
Abortion is about killing a fetus
Keep spewing the lies and hatred, pro-liar. It shows you for the evil
***** that you are.
You have only hatred and lies and they have corrupted you.
What a drama queen.
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09 Mar 2006 10:57:11 PM |
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Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote
Dutch <no@email.com> wrote:
[..]
When somebody claims to care about the well-being of children but
does
nothing about it, they are lying to themselves and others.
*****, arguing that abortion or anything is morally wrong
requires
nothing more than that.
But that's a DIFFERENT argument. You can argue that it's "morally
wrong" without lying that you care about children.
No you can't.
Why not?
Because it makes no sense, nobody would ever do it.
Or you're stupid.
It's more logical to conclude that you're just making it up to prop up
your
Your inability to answer my simple question indicates that you're
stupid.
I answered your question.
You're lying.
Your inane strawman that pro-lifers are just
Keep running away, pro-liar.
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rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: Ann Coulter: Abortion Stops A Bleeding Heart |
06 Mar 2006 04:21:23 PM |
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In article <120o0d6ku1a5234@news.supernews.com>,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
You have no valid evidence that opponents of abortion are not focused on the
killing of fetuses
the entire world has such evidence.
those "opponents of abortion" haven't established programs to pay
pregnant women to remain pregnant. they haven't established
educational programs for children born of such pregnancies. you might
argue that such a funding program would be substantial, but i would
respond that anti-choice groups spend a substantial amount now to
mislead and misrepresent and that such funding might better be spent
on those poor fetuses you claim they care for.
run along and come up with another misdirection.
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| User: "Dutch" |
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07 Mar 2006 04:31:37 PM |
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"james g. keegan jr." <jgkeegan@gmail.com> wrote
In article <120o0d6ku1a5234@news.supernews.com>,
"Dutch" <no@email.com> wrote:
You have no valid evidence that opponents of abortion are not focused on
the
killing of fetuses
the entire world has such evidence.
I didn't ask "the entire world", whoever that is.
those "opponents of abortion" haven't established programs to pay
pregnant women to remain pregnant.
Nobody pays anybody to NOT kill, that's not how it works. In any case, I am
quite sure that there are adoption agencies run by pro-life supporters who
support women through pregnancies and place the children after birth.
they haven't established
educational programs for children born of such pregnancies. you might
argue that such a funding program would be substantial,
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