In article <1145367083.215115.165790@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

DanielSan wrote:

Cite? Don't offer the stupid "Authorization to go to war" because you
know, just as well as I do, that the "Authorization" was a two-step
process:
1) Bring inspectors in. (Done)
2) Let inspectors do their job and, if they find that Saddam was not
cooperating, attack. (Not done).

Therefore, Democrats did not authorize Bush to attack because Bush did
not do part two.

So you are saying that NOT one single Democrat voted to authorize Bush
to use military force?

can you show where he said that? it appears you made it up.

Let me get that correct.

it would appear that is not your intent.

less some explanation, it appears that you are misrepresenting again

osprey wrote:

DanielSan wrote:

osprey wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Adam H wrote:

Actually, the fact that no WMD were found and all subsequent
reports
have shown that there were no WMD and no facilities for
making WMD
backs up that claim he made.

So those Democrats were lying then?

Everybody should notice that ***** Heishman is auch a
partisan bigot
that he REFUSES to hold Bush accountable for lying to the world in
order to invade Iraq.

Everybody should notice that ***** Fischer is such a bigot
that he is
failing to show where I am supporting Bush's statements at all.

Simple - you are trying to blame democrats.

I blame all of them.

Q.E.D. ***** Heishman is trying to deflect the blame from Bush and
his administration. The peopel who lied to America in order to
justify their war.

Q.E.D. ***** Fischer is displaying his bigotry. While I place blame
on Bush and the Republicans, I also blame Democrats as well. *****
Fischer dismisses the Democrats from ANY accountabliity and blames only
the Republicans.
The people who lied to America were not just Republicans...Democrats
lied too.

Democrats did not lie because the quotes offered were either before the
bombing/bulldozing/etc. campaign that destroyed the banned weapons, or
after the cherry-picked intelligence was offered to them.

However, osprey refuses to acknowledge which party is currently in power
and was in power in 2003.

Why good morning Danielsan, Good to see you are still up to the same
old liberal tactics.

Liberal tactics? You mean, "the truth?" Why, yes, the liberals often
employ the tactic known as "truth." Thanks for the acknowledgement. :-D

Osprey doesn't refuse to acknowledge which party is currently in power
and was in power in 2003.

Therefore, to blame Democrats for something they had no power to do is
to be blatantly partisan just for the sake of it.

Osprey just recognizes the hypocrisies by
fellow liberals..such as yourself.

Hypocrisy, eh? Let's look at what you provided.

Example:

Who do you give credit for the economy in the 90's?

A Democratic president (Clinton) and a Republican Congress (since 1994).

A liberal will say "Clinton"

Ah, the good old strawman liberal. You guys have been beeting

Who was in power in the 90's?

A Democratic president (Clinton) and a Republican Congress (since 1994)

A liberal will ignore that question.

As you see, a lie.

I do recognize who is in power, and I fault BOTH parties who took us
into this situation.

Ah, but in 2003, we had a Republican president (Bush) and a Republican
Congress. Therefore, Democrats are blameless.

While I did originally support the war

....the war? Which one are you referring to?

in the
beginning, because I..like most American's, trusted and believed what
our intelligence and government was saying, I no longer do support the
war. Because I realize now that we acted too quickly and acted from
emotion, due to 9/11.

Right.

I fault Republicans and Democrats.

Why do you fault the powerless Democrats?

You fault only Republicans and think Democrats do no wrong. Is that a
fair assessment?

No. Democrats frequently do wrong. However, they are blameless in
regards to a war wherein a Republican Congress rubberstamps everything
that the Republican President requests... at least, in 2003 this was
true. The Repubs are finally growing a backbone and starting to do
their job (IE, providing a check to the Executive)

I think it is.

Yes, because you look at the strawman and not at the real liberals.

***** still tries to blame Democrats even though Bush ordered
the
invasion and the Republican-controlled Congress gave him the
authorization.

***** Fischer still tries to protect Democrats and ignore what
they

Q.E.D. ***** Heishman is trying to protect Bush by shifting the
blame to Democrats even though it was Bush who lied to Congress
and to
America and Bush who ordered the invasion.

Note: ***** Fischer looks the other way on Democrats

Bush ordered the invasion, you dumbshit bigot. Nobody else.

Bush ordered the invasion with the blessing from Democrats and
Republicans, you dumbshit bigot.

Cite? Don't offer the stupid "Authorization to go to war" because you
know, just as well as I do, that the "Authorization" was a two-step
process:
1) Bring inspectors in. (Done)
2) Let inspectors do their job and, if they find that Saddam was not
cooperating, attack. (Not done).

Therefore, Democrats did not authorize Bush to attack because Bush did
not do part two.

So you are saying that NOT one single Democrat voted to authorize Bush
to use military force?

Let me get that correct. Is that what you are saying?

Not at all. You are attempting to incorporate a red herring by ignoring
my point. The Democrats _DID_ authorize Bush to use military force...
"IF" (and this is a major caveat) Saddam failed to allow the inspectors
in. Since Saddam was allowing the inspectors in, then military force is
unauthorized.

Pull up the vote Bush got that supported his use of force in Iraq.

I don't have one because Democrats never authorized the attack.

Uh huh, you think Democrats are perfect don't you.

Liar. I do not think Democrats are perfect at all. Stop attacking the
strawman and talk to me.

Explain this then, of all the major wars the U.S. has been in, it has
been a Democrat who took us to war most of the time.

Oh? Like WWII and the Nazis? Remember, it was the Republicans who
didn't want to go to war against Hitler.

You seem to be operating under the false assumption that "liberal" or
"Democrat" always equals "anti-war".

I am a liberal and continue to support the war against the Taliban,
al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden... just like all of my liberal friends.
Iraq is a major distraction from the "War on Terror."

osprey wrote:

DanielSan wrote:

osprey wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Ray Fischer wrote:

osprey <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Adam H wrote:

Actually, the fact that no WMD were found and all subsequent reports
have shown that there were no WMD and no facilities for making WMD
backs up that claim he made.

So those Democrats were lying then?

Everybody should notice that ***** Heishman is auch a partisan bigot
that he REFUSES to hold Bush accountable for lying to the world in
order to invade Iraq.

Everybody should notice that ***** Fischer is such a bigot that he is
failing to show where I am supporting Bush's statements at all.

Simple - you are trying to blame democrats.

I blame all of them.

Q.E.D. ***** Heishman is trying to deflect the blame from Bush and
his administration. The peopel who lied to America in order to
justify their war.

Q.E.D. ***** Fischer is displaying his bigotry. While I place blame
on Bush and the Republicans, I also blame Democrats as well. *****
Fischer dismisses the Democrats from ANY accountabliity and blames only
the Republicans.
The people who lied to America were not just Republicans...Democrats
lied too.

Democrats did not lie because the quotes offered were either before the
bombing/bulldozing/etc. campaign that destroyed the banned weapons, or
after the cherry-picked intelligence was offered to them.

However, osprey refuses to acknowledge which party is currently in power
and was in power in 2003.

Why good morning Danielsan, Good to see you are still up to the same
old liberal tactics.

Liberal tactics? You mean, "the truth?"

employ the tactic known as "truth."

Thanks for the acknowledgement. :-D

Osprey doesn't refuse to acknowledge which party is currently in power
and was in power in 2003.

Therefore, to blame Democrats for something they had no power to do is
to be blatantly partisan just for the sake of it.

Osprey just recognizes the hypocrisies by
fellow liberals..such as yourself.

Hypocrisy, eh? Let's look at what you provided.

Example:

Who do you give credit for the economy in the 90's?

A Democratic president (Clinton) and a Republican Congress (since 1994).

A liberal will say "Clinton"

Ah, the good old strawman liberal. You guys have been beeting

Who was in power in the 90's?

A Democratic president (Clinton) and a Republican Congress (since 1994)

A liberal will ignore that question.

As you see, a lie.

I do recognize who is in power, and I fault BOTH parties who took us
into this situation.

Ah, but in 2003, we had a Republican president (Bush) and a Republican
Congress. Therefore, Democrats are blameless.

While I did originally support the war

...the war? Which one are you referring to?

in the
beginning, because I..like most American's, trusted and believed what
our intelligence and government was saying, I no longer do support the
war. Because I realize now that we acted too quickly and acted from
emotion, due to 9/11.

Right.

I fault Republicans and Democrats.

Why do you fault the powerless Democrats?

You fault only Republicans and think Democrats do no wrong. Is that a
fair assessment?

No. Democrats frequently do wrong.

regards to a war wherein a Republican Congress rubberstamps everything
that the Republican President requests... at least, in 2003 this was
true. The Repubs are finally growing a backbone and starting to do
their job (IE, providing a check to the Executive)

I think it is.

Yes, because you look at the strawman and not at the real liberals.

***** still tries to blame Democrats even though Bush ordered the
invasion and the Republican-controlled Congress gave him the authorization.

***** Fischer still tries to protect Democrats and ignore what they

Q.E.D. ***** Heishman is trying to protect Bush by shifting the
blame to Democrats even though it was Bush who lied to Congress and to
America and Bush who ordered the invasion.

Note: ***** Fischer looks the other way on Democrats

Bush ordered the invasion, you dumbshit bigot. Nobody else.

Bush ordered the invasion with the blessing from Democrats and
Republicans, you dumbshit bigot.

Cite? Don't offer the stupid "Authorization to go to war" because you
know, just as well as I do, that the "Authorization" was a two-step process:
1) Bring inspectors in. (Done)
2) Let inspectors do their job and, if they find that Saddam was not
cooperating, attack. (Not done).

Therefore, Democrats did not authorize Bush to attack because Bush did
not do part two.

So you are saying that NOT one single Democrat voted to authorize Bush
to use military force?

Let me get that correct. Is that what you are saying?

Not at all.

my point. The Democrats _DID_ authorize Bush to use military force...

"IF" (and this is a major caveat) Saddam failed to allow the inspectors
in. Since Saddam was allowing the inspectors in, then military force is
unauthorized.

Pull up the vote Bush got that supported his use of force in Iraq.

I don't have one because Democrats never authorized the attack.

Uh huh, you think Democrats are perfect don't you.

Liar. I do not think Democrats are perfect at all. Stop attacking the
strawman and talk to me.

Explain this then, of all the major wars the U.S. has been in, it has
been a Democrat who took us to war most of the time.

Oh? Like WWII and the Nazis? Remember, it was the Republicans who
didn't want to go to war against Hitler.

You seem to be operating under the false assumption that "liberal" or
"Democrat" always equals "anti-war".

I am a liberal and continue to support the war against the Taliban,
al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden... just like all of my liberal friends.
Iraq is a major distraction from the "War on Terror."

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