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User: "Aaron Kim"
Date: 07 Jan 2008 05:54:00 PM
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User: "RetroProphet"

Title: Re: Announcing Radio Broadcast Tomorrow @ 8pm (PST) on Noah's Ark -- FABRICATED "EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT" ON ART BULLA WEBSITE EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS 07 Jan 2008 06:25:33 PM
In article <5ufscvF1i2nb5U1@mid.individual.net>, Aaron Kim says...


Eyewitness testimonies of Noah's Ark and more.

http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Noah.html
In the summer of 1916, during the thaw, Lieutenant Roskovitsky of the
Russian Imperial Air Force noticed a half-frozen lake on the shelf or gully
on the side of Mount Ararat while flying high-altitude test to observe
Turkish troop movements. As they flew nearer to the lake, he saw a half
submerged hull of some sort of ship. He noticed two stubby masts and a flat
catwalk along the top. The following excerpts were taken from Berlitz.In
Roskovitsky's words (from the New Eden Magazine, California, 1939): "We flew
down as close as safety permitted and took several circles around it. We
were surprised when we got close to it, at the immense size of the thing,
for it was as long as a city block, and would compare very favorably in size
to the modern battleships of today. It was grounded on the shore of the
lake, with one-fourth underwater. It had been partly dismantled on one side
near the front, and on the other side there was a great doorway nearly
twenty feet square, but with the other door gone. This seemed quite out of
proportion, as even today, ships seldom have doors even half that large
...."He then told his captain who wanted to be flown over the site. The
captain stated that it was Noah's Ark and explained the reason for its
survival as "frozen up for nine of ten months of the year, it couldn't rot,
and has been in cold storage, as it were, all this time .... "The captain
forwarded a report back to St. Petersburg resulting in orders from the Tsar
to send two engineering companies up the mountain. One group of fifty men
attacked one side, and the other group of one hundred men attacked the big
mountain from the other side. Two weeks of hard work were required to chop
out a trail along the cliffs of the lower part of the mountain, and it was
nearly a month before the Ark was reached. Complete measurements were taken,
and plans drawn of it, as well as many photographs, all of which were sent
to the Tsar. From the magazine article: "The Ark was found to contain
hundreds of small rooms, and some rooms that were very large, with high
ceilings. The unusually large rooms had a fence of great timbers across
them, some of which were two feet thick, as if designed to hold beasts ten
times the size of elephants. Other rooms were also lined with tiers of
cages, somewhat like what one sees today at a poultry show, only instead of
chicken wire, they had rows of small iron bars along the front. Everything
was heavily painted with a waxlike paint resembling shellac, and the
workmanship of the craft showed all the signs of a high type of
civilization. The wood used throughout was oleander, which belongs to the
cypress family and never rots; which of course, coupled with the fact of its
being frozen most of the time, accounted for its perfect preservation. "The
investigation officers sent photographs and reports by courier back to
Petrograd, to the personal attention of the Tsar. But Nicholas II apparently
never received them during the breakdown of communications that followed the
February and October Revolutions of 1917. The results of the investigation
have never been found or reported.. A rumor says the results and pictures of
the Ark came to the attention of Leon Trotsky, who either destroyed them or
placed them in a file destined to be kept permanently secret. And the
courier who delivered the news, his silence was sealed with his execution.

Eye-witness testimony? *****!
It has been known for decades that this "Roskovitsky account"
was a concocted piece of circa-1940 Evangelical propaganda
-- the "eye-witness" account it contains of events that
supposedly happened in 1916 were completely fabricated by
the editor of New Advent magazine -- HE ADMITTED IT.
I append below the true history of this story.
Now that you know that it was fabricated,
what are your thoughts?
Surely it is no longer the "evidence" you thought it was.
How will the new knowledge that has been brought to your
attention here affect your presentation of this "evidence"
in the future?
Will it remain on Art Bulla's website in its currently
misleading presentation -- one that does not disclose
that the story is a known fabrication and that it
is NOT the eye-witness account it appears to be?
That would be wrong, don't you think?
Do you think, Aaron?
====
EXCERPT from
"Evangelicals and Science in Historical Perspective" (1999)
by David N. Livingstone, Darryl G. Hart, Mark A. Noll
"The first of these stories appeared in the Los Angeles-based
magazine "New Eden" in 1940. The story was a first-person
account of an alleged sighting of Noah's Ark by an aviator
in the czarist Russian Air Force during 1916-17. The pilot
-- a "Vladimir Roskovitsky" -- went on to say that after
he reported his sighting a ground expedition of czarist
troops made their way to the exposed craft. Venturing inside,
they found hundreds of rooms of varying sizes, some with very
high ceilings as if meant to hold elephants and even larger
animals, and others with cages seemingly designed to hold
birds and small animals. The story claimed that complete
measurements and plans were made of the ark and dozens
of photographs taken. A few days after the expedition
returned, however, the story claimed "the government was
overthrown and Godless Bolshevism took over, so that the
records were never made public.
Understandably, the fantastic story spread beyond the
pages of the "New Eden." Not all reaction was positive
-- the Assembly of God monthly "The Pentecostal Evangel"
after hearing the story in 1944 speculated that the flyers
"must have been drinking too much vodka. But the bulk of
the coverage seems to have been enthusiastic. Adventist
broadcaster H.M.S. Richards read the story over the air.
the Pilgrim Tract Society of Randlerman, North Carolina
put the story in tract form, and the tale was reprinted
in the pages of "The King's Herald" (November 1941).
"Prophecy" (March 1941) and "Defender of the Faith"
(October 1942).
Floyd B. Gurley, the editor who first published the story
in "New Eden," was inundated by request for further
information but passed on all inquiries to the man he
claimed as the source of his story -- Benjamin Franklin Allen,
a retired Adventist lawyer, amateur geologist, and head of
the Society for the Study of Creation, the Deluge, and Related Science.
Allen was outraged because the story was poles apart
from the sources he had mentioned to Gurley -- the families
of two deceased men who had claimed that they had been part
of Russian expeditions to the Ark. In a 1945 letter to the
young up-and-coming Southern Baptist creationist Henry Morris,
Allen relayed his frustration about the tale, characterizing
it as "about 95% fiction, the one real part being some vague
reports by two Russian soldiers in the World War I, which
reports are being circulated by some of their relatives."
Allen describes Gurley as his "neighbor" and as
"an off-center man...I know very well." He claimed that
he had told Gurley about the stories and that he had
"later abused my confidence and "stole the data, and
worked it all up into a perfect deception."
Later that year, Gurley apologized to Allen, admitting
that the "article was written up in story form with the
intent of making it more interesting to read."
Despite the discredited nature of the story, the ark-hunting
community has retained its belief in the story's basic essence
while long knowing the details of its bogus origin.
.
User: "Woody Brison"

Title: Re: Announcing Radio Broadcast Tomorrow @ 8pm (PST) on Noah's Ark --FABRICATED "EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT" ON ART BULLA WEBSITE EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS 08 Jan 2008 04:01:50 PM
On Jan 7, 5:25 pm, RetroProphet <RetroProphet_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

I append below the true history of this story.

Now that you know that it was fabricated,
what are your thoughts?

Thanks for the information. The fraud however was pretty
obvious in the story itself.

In article <5ufscvF1i2nb...@mid.individual.net>, Aaron Kim says...

Eyewitness testimonies of Noah's Ark and more.
... "The captain
forwarded a report back to St. Petersburg resulting in orders from the Tsar
... Complete measurements were taken,
and plans drawn of it, as well as many photographs, all of which were sent
to the Tsar. ... "The
investigation officers sent photographs and reports by courier back to
Petrograd, to the personal attention of the Tsar. But Nicholas II apparently
never received them during the breakdown of communications that followed the
February and October Revolutions of 1917. The results of the investigation
have never been found or reported.

If they were never found or reported, how could they be
reported? Sort of like putting a bag on your head so
you can get into the DNC and report. But with the bag on
your head you can't see anything. If you take off the
bag so as to be able to see, they'll recognize you as an
outsider and kick you out. It's what they used to call
a Catch-22.

... A rumor says the results and pictures of
the Ark came to the attention of Leon Trotsky, who either destroyed them or
placed them in a file destined to be kept permanently secret.

So which was it? And how does our correspondent know?
Or maybe the question is, why doesn't our correspondent
know which one it was.

... And the
courier who delivered the news, his silence was sealed with his execution.

So the courier was executed by the Bolsheviks so he couldn't
talk. What happened to the hundred-odd expedition members,
why didn't any of them ever provide an alternate delivery of
the information? Surely after 99 of them got executed by
Stalin or whoever it was, the 100th would have gone to
England or somewhere else. Sort of like the ants that live
in an ant colony, and every so often they send a scout out
that one hole (leading to the anteater's cage) and the scouts
never ever return, so they just keep sending more.
Like I say, the story had yawning problems. It's not a bad
case to study, to learn about detecting historical forgeries.
Wood
.
User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Announcing Radio Broadcast Tomorrow @ 8pm (PST) on Noah's Ark --FABRICATED "EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT" ON ART BULLA WEBSITE EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS 08 Jan 2008 04:34:45 PM
On Jan 8, 2:01=A0pm, Woody Brison <woody.bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 7, 5:25 pm, RetroProphet <RetroProphet_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

I append below the true history of this story.


Now that you know that it was fabricated,
what are your thoughts?


Thanks for the information. =A0The fraud however was pretty
obvious in the story itself.

In article <5ufscvF1i2nb...@mid.individual.net>, Aaron Kim says...


Eyewitness testimonies of Noah's Ark and more.
... "The captain
forwarded a report back to St. Petersburg resulting in orders from the =

Tsar

... Complete measurements were taken,
and plans drawn of it, as well as many photographs, all of which were s=

ent

to the Tsar. ... "The
investigation officers sent photographs and reports by courier back to
Petrograd, to the personal attention of the Tsar. But Nicholas II appar=

ently

never received them during the breakdown of communications that followe=

d the

February and October Revolutions of 1917. The results of the investigat=

ion

have never been found or reported.


If they were never found or reported, how could they be
reported? =A0Sort of like putting a bag on your head so
you can get into the DNC and report. But with the bag on
your head you can't see anything. =A0If you take off the
bag so as to be able to see, they'll recognize you as an
outsider and kick you out.

You don't think walking around with a bag on your head would arouse
suspicion too?

=A0It's what they used to call
a Catch-22.

... A rumor says the results and pictures of
the Ark came to the attention of Leon Trotsky, who either destroyed the=

m or

placed them in a file destined to be kept permanently secret.


So which was it? =A0And how does our correspondent know?
Or maybe the question is, why doesn't our correspondent
know which one it was.

... And the
courier who delivered the news, his silence was sealed with his executi=

on.


So the courier was executed by the Bolsheviks so he couldn't
talk. =A0What happened to the hundred-odd expedition members,
why didn't any of them ever provide an alternate delivery of
the information? =A0Surely after 99 of them got executed by
Stalin or whoever it was, the 100th would have gone to
England or somewhere else. =A0Sort of like the ants that live
in an ant colony, and every so often they send a scout out
that one hole (leading to the anteater's cage) and the scouts
never ever return, so they just keep sending more.

Like I say, the story had yawning problems. =A0It's not a bad
case to study, to learn about detecting historical forgeries.

Wood

.
User: "Woody Brison"

Title: Re: Announcing Radio Broadcast Tomorrow @ 8pm (PST) on Noah's Ark --FABRICATED "EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT" ON ART BULLA WEBSITE EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS 08 Jan 2008 04:59:25 PM
On Jan 8, 3:34 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 8, 2:01 pm, Woody Brison <woody.bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

If they were never found or reported, how could they be
reported? Sort of like putting a bag on your head so
you can get into the DNC and report. But with the bag on
your head you can't see anything. If you take off the
bag so as to be able to see, they'll recognize you as an
outsider and kick you out.


You don't think walking around with a bag on your head would arouse
suspicion too?

Whoa, another problem with the thing
.
User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Announcing Radio Broadcast Tomorrow @ 8pm (PST) on Noah's Ark --FABRICATED "EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT" ON ART BULLA WEBSITE EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS 08 Jan 2008 06:19:27 PM
On Jan 8, 2:59=A0pm, Woody Brison <woody.bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 8, 3:34 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 8, 2:01 pm, Woody Brison <woody.bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

If they were never found or reported, how could they be
reported? =A0Sort of like putting a bag on your head so
you can get into the DNC and report. But with the bag on
your head you can't see anything. =A0If you take off the
bag so as to be able to see, they'll recognize you as an
outsider and kick you out.


You don't think walking around with a bag on your head would arouse
suspicion too?


Whoa, another problem with the thing

More like a problem with your analogy.
.
User: "Woody Brison"

Title: Re: Announcing Radio Broadcast Tomorrow @ 8pm (PST) on Noah's Ark --FABRICATED "EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT" ON ART BULLA WEBSITE EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS 09 Jan 2008 07:24:58 PM
On Jan 8, 5:19 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 8, 2:59 pm, Woody Brison <woody.bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 8, 3:34 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:


On Jan 8, 2:01 pm, Woody Brison <woody.bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

If they were never found or reported, how could they be
reported? Sort of like putting a bag on your head so
you can get into the DNC and report. But with the bag on
your head you can't see anything. If you take off the
bag so as to be able to see, they'll recognize you as an
outsider and kick you out.


You don't think walking around with a bag on your head would arouse
suspicion too?


Whoa, another problem with the thing


More like a problem with your analogy.

What do you need, little smiley faces and all that?
.
User: "Neil Kelsey"

Title: Re: Announcing Radio Broadcast Tomorrow @ 8pm (PST) on Noah's Ark --FABRICATED "EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT" ON ART BULLA WEBSITE EXPOSED FOR WHAT IT IS 09 Jan 2008 07:41:42 PM
On Jan 9, 5:24=A0pm, Woody Brison <woody.bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jan 8, 5:19 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:





On Jan 8, 2:59 pm, Woody Brison <woody.bri...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Jan 8, 3:34 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:


On Jan 8, 2:01 pm, Woody Brison <woody.bri...@gmail.com> wrote:

If they were never found or reported, how could they be
reported? =A0Sort of like putting a bag on your head so
you can get into the DNC and report. But with the bag on
your head you can't see anything. =A0If you take off the
bag so as to be able to see, they'll recognize you as an
outsider and kick you out.


You don't think walking around with a bag on your head would arouse
suspicion too?


Whoa, another problem with the thing


More like a problem with your analogy.


What do you need, little smiley faces and all that?

Nice attempt at backpeddling.
.






User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Announcing Radio Broadcast Tomorrow @ 8pm (PST) on Noah's Ark-- FABRICATED "EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT" ON ART BULLA WEBSITE EXPOSED FOR WHAT ITIS 08 Jan 2008 11:11:01 AM
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:25:33 -0800, RetroProphet wrote:

Eye-witness testimony? *****!

Also, spam.
X-Trace: individual.net Mxm9HDDoYUr+uDIE5gRguwxVsUnKj7jWdKoYB2IiAPW4CQTdMx
Report to:

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
Fundamentalism means never having to say "I'm wrong."
.


User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: Announcing Radio Broadcast Tomorrow @ 8pm (PST) on Noah's Ark 08 Jan 2008 11:09:39 AM
On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:54:00 -0800, Aaron Kim wrote:

Eyewitness spam of Noah's spam and more spam.

Proselytizing is breaking the rules of alt.atheism.
Not that you care about rules or anything. You're too moral for rules and
laws huh?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
Explaining the unknown by means of the unobservable is always
a perilous business.
.
User: "\john p"

Title: Re: Announcing Radio Broadcast Tomorrow @ 8pm (PST) on Noah's Ark 10 Jan 2008 02:45:16 AM
On Jan 8, 8:09 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:54:00 -0800, Aaron Kim wrote:

Eyewitness spam of Noah's spam and more spam.


Proselytizing is breaking the rules of alt.atheism.

Not that you care about rules or anything. You're too moral for rules and
laws huh?

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
Explaining the unknown by means of the unobservable is always
a perilous business.

So is spamming
.



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