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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "turk"
Date: 22 Jan 2005 02:29:09 PM
Object: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration
http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8854~2667809,00.html
Another long four years
Did anyone notice the irony during President Bush's inaugural address on
Thursday that as Bush talked about freedom, security personnel were dragging
away peaceful protesters?
Does this mean that the president's words -- "when you stand for your
liberty, we will stand with you" -- do not apply to those who oppose him?
President Bush used the word "freedom" 27 times in his speech and "liberty"
15 times. It's not a surprise that the words "war," "Iraq," "Iran" and
"terror" were not used at all. Then again, the hallmark of the Bush
administration has been high-minded rhetoric and sordid deeds.
The president said that "it is the policy of the United States to seek and
support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every
nation." Does this mean we'll see free and fair elections in Saudi Arabia,
our second-largest oil supplier? Or in China, the country that now is the
United States' biggest creditor?
The president said, "We will widen retirement savings and health insurance."
Does this mean he will drop his insane idea to privatize Social Security and
perhaps consider universal health care for all Americans?
The president said that he believes in "the durable wisdom of the
Constitution." Does this mean he will dismantle the Patriot Act and stop
appointing judges who want to roll back our civil liberties?
We know the answers to these questions: He won't.
President Bush has no intention of living up to his rhetoric. He won't "make
our society more just and equal" -- not when he just spent more than $40
million on an opulent inauguration.
He won't use America's influence "competently in freedom's cause." Not when
our nation's blood and treasure is being sucked away by a needless war in
Iraq.
As for his noble words that "life is fragile, and evil is real, and courage
triumphs," we know that our nation has been fed a steady diet of fear and
paranoia. If courage really triumphs, the president wouldn't have to hide
behind phalanxes of soldiers, cops and Secret Service agents and our capitol
would not have to be transformed into an armed camp.
No, Thursday's inaugural address was just the latest in a long line of empty
words coming from the lips of an empty man. It's going to be a long four
years for America and the rest of the world.
.

User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 22 Jan 2005 06:30:27 PM
"turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote in
news:cJadnTl3V8wOKm_cRVn-2A@comcast.com:

http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8854~2667809,00.html

Another long four years

Did anyone notice the irony during President Bush's inaugural address
on Thursday that as Bush talked about freedom, security personnel were
dragging away peaceful protesters?
Does this mean that the president's words -- "when you stand for your
liberty, we will stand with you" -- do not apply to those who oppose
him?

Those weren't "peaceful" protestors who tore down that fence.

President Bush used the word "freedom" 27 times in his speech and
"liberty" 15 times. It's not a surprise that the words "war," "Iraq,"
"Iran" and "terror" were not used at all. Then again, the hallmark of
the Bush administration has been high-minded rhetoric and sordid
deeds.

Sordid deeds like disposing of tyrannical dictators, as opposed to the
high-minded rhetoric and total inaction of the Left?

The president said that "it is the policy of the United States to seek
and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in
every nation." Does this mean we'll see free and fair elections in
Saudi Arabia, our second-largest oil supplier? Or in China, the
country that now is the United States' biggest creditor?

Which part of "Seek and support" did you fail to understand?

The president said, "We will widen retirement savings and health
insurance." Does this mean he will drop his insane idea to privatize
Social Security and perhaps consider universal health care for all
Americans?

We want *less* socialism, not *more*.

The president said that he believes in "the durable wisdom of the
Constitution." Does this mean he will dismantle the Patriot Act and
stop appointing judges who want to roll back our civil liberties?

We know the answers to these questions: He won't.

President Bush has no intention of living up to his rhetoric. He won't
"make our society more just and equal" -- not when he just spent more
than $40 million on an opulent inauguration.

Oh whiine, complaaain, about how he didn't waste it on the UN.

He won't use America's influence "competently in freedom's cause." Not
when our nation's blood and treasure is being sucked away by a
needless war in Iraq.

As for his noble words that "life is fragile, and evil is real, and
courage triumphs," we know that our nation has been fed a steady diet
of fear and paranoia.

Yeah, when do you think you'll stop?

If courage really triumphs, the president
wouldn't have to hide behind phalanxes of soldiers, cops and Secret
Service agents and our capitol would not have to be transformed into
an armed camp.

There's a difference between courage and foolishness. John Kennedy was
the last President to ignore security measures.

No, Thursday's inaugural address was just the latest in a long line of
empty words coming from the lips of an empty man. It's going to be a
long four years for America and the rest of the world.

Made even longer if we have to listen to four more years of leftist
defeatism.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 23 Jan 2005 02:41:44 AM
Fred Stone wrote:

"turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote in
news:cJadnTl3V8wOKm_cRVn-2A@comcast.com:

http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8854~2667809,00.html

Another long four years

Did anyone notice the irony during President Bush's inaugural

address

on Thursday that as Bush talked about freedom, security personnel

were

dragging away peaceful protesters?
Does this mean that the president's words -- "when you stand for

your

liberty, we will stand with you" -- do not apply to those who

oppose

him?


Those weren't "peaceful" protestors who tore down that fence.

Yes, republicans prefer the "inactive" protestors, right, Freddy?

President Bush used the word "freedom" 27 times in his speech and
"liberty" 15 times. It's not a surprise that the words "war,"

"Iraq,"

"Iran" and "terror" were not used at all. Then again, the hallmark

of

the Bush administration has been high-minded rhetoric and sordid
deeds.


Sordid deeds like disposing of tyrannical dictators, as opposed to

the

high-minded rhetoric and total inaction of the Left?

Well, we don't want to tear down fences, that's for sure. So, how many
Iraqis did you kill today, Freddy? I'm sure your writing this from
Iraq, since no republican would be so "inactive" to stay home and post
on newsgroups while there is a war to be won, right?

The president said that "it is the policy of the United States to

seek

and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in
every nation." Does this mean we'll see free and fair elections in
Saudi Arabia, our second-largest oil supplier? Or in China, the
country that now is the United States' biggest creditor?


Which part of "Seek and support" did you fail to understand?

Which part of "invade a sovereign nation" did you miss? Or better yet,
which part of "preemptive strike" did you fail to understand?

The president said, "We will widen retirement savings and health
insurance." Does this mean he will drop his insane idea to

privatize

Social Security and perhaps consider universal health care for all
Americans?


We want *less* socialism, not *more*.

Unless it's to benefit big business? GW has created more social
programs,not less...they just go for business not humans.

The president said that he believes in "the durable wisdom of the
Constitution." Does this mean he will dismantle the Patriot Act and
stop appointing judges who want to roll back our civil liberties?

We know the answers to these questions: He won't.

President Bush has no intention of living up to his rhetoric. He

won't

"make our society more just and equal" -- not when he just spent

more

than $40 million on an opulent inauguration.


Oh whiine, complaaain, about how he didn't waste it on the UN.

That was a coherent argument. But your imagination must run dry after
so much Disney-like creations as your last answers.

He won't use America's influence "competently in freedom's cause."

Not

when our nation's blood and treasure is being sucked away by a
needless war in Iraq.

As for his noble words that "life is fragile, and evil is real, and
courage triumphs," we know that our nation has been fed a steady

diet

of fear and paranoia.


Yeah, when do you think you'll stop?

Four years? Just a guess...

If courage really triumphs, the president
wouldn't have to hide behind phalanxes of soldiers, cops and Secret
Service agents and our capitol would not have to be transformed

into

an armed camp.


There's a difference between courage and foolishness. John Kennedy

was

the last President to ignore security measures.

And he still never invaded another nation.

No, Thursday's inaugural address was just the latest in a long line

of

empty words coming from the lips of an empty man. It's going to be

a

long four years for America and the rest of the world.


Made even longer if we have to listen to four more years of leftist
defeatism.

Are you still here? Enlist already, you pathetic hypocrite. It is
YOUR war. Don't come back until you have the head of an Iraqi child on
your wall to prove your compassionate conservatism.
turk
--
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more
and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and
glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright
moron." - H. L. Mencken, Baltimore Evening Sun on 26 July 1920
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 23 Jan 2005 09:52:09 AM
wrote in
news:1106469704.629689.269180@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:


Fred Stone wrote:

"turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote in
news:cJadnTl3V8wOKm_cRVn-2A@comcast.com:

http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8854~2667809,00.html

Another long four years

Did anyone notice the irony during President Bush's inaugural
address on Thursday that as Bush talked about freedom, security
personnel were dragging away peaceful protesters?
Does this mean that the president's words -- "when you stand for

your

liberty, we will stand with you" -- do not apply to those who

oppose

him?


Those weren't "peaceful" protestors who tore down that fence.


Yes, republicans prefer the "inactive" protestors, right, Freddy?

I think the proper term would be "civilized".

President Bush used the word "freedom" 27 times in his speech and
"liberty" 15 times. It's not a surprise that the words "war,"
"Iraq," "Iran" and "terror" were not used at all. Then again, the
hallmark of the Bush administration has been high-minded rhetoric
and sordid deeds.


Sordid deeds like disposing of tyrannical dictators, as opposed to

the

high-minded rhetoric and total inaction of the Left?


Well, we don't want to tear down fences, that's for sure. So, how
many Iraqis did you kill today, Freddy? I'm sure your writing this
from Iraq, since no republican would be so "inactive" to stay home and
post on newsgroups while there is a war to be won, right?

What's the matter, can't you handle criticism? You want to deport
everybody who disagrees with you?

The president said that "it is the policy of the United States to
seek and support the growth of democratic movements and
institutions in every nation." Does this mean we'll see free and
fair elections in Saudi Arabia, our second-largest oil supplier? Or
in China, the country that now is the United States' biggest
creditor?


Which part of "Seek and support" did you fail to understand?


Which part of "invade a sovereign nation" did you miss? Or better
yet, which part of "preemptive strike" did you fail to understand?

Oh, I forgot, you're one of those simpleminded libruls who doesn't
understand that all problems aren't solved by the same methods.

The president said, "We will widen retirement savings and health
insurance." Does this mean he will drop his insane idea to
privatize Social Security and perhaps consider universal health
care for all Americans?


We want *less* socialism, not *more*.


Unless it's to benefit big business? GW has created more social
programs,not less...they just go for business not humans.

I said "socialism" not "social programs".

The president said that he believes in "the durable wisdom of the
Constitution." Does this mean he will dismantle the Patriot Act and
stop appointing judges who want to roll back our civil liberties?

We know the answers to these questions: He won't.

President Bush has no intention of living up to his rhetoric. He
won't "make our society more just and equal" -- not when he just
spent more than $40 million on an opulent inauguration.


Oh whiine, complaaain, about how he didn't waste it on the UN.


That was a coherent argument. But your imagination must run dry after
so much Disney-like creations as your last answers.

He won't use America's influence "competently in freedom's cause."
Not when our nation's blood and treasure is being sucked away by a
needless war in Iraq.

As for his noble words that "life is fragile, and evil is real, and
courage triumphs," we know that our nation has been fed a steady
diet of fear and paranoia.


Yeah, when do you think you'll stop?


Four years? Just a guess...

If courage really triumphs, the president
wouldn't have to hide behind phalanxes of soldiers, cops and Secret
Service agents and our capitol would not have to be transformed
into an armed camp.


There's a difference between courage and foolishness. John Kennedy
was the last President to ignore security measures.


And he still never invaded another nation.

How soon they forget... Does "Bay of Pigs" mean anything to you? Maybe
"Vietnam" means something?

No, Thursday's inaugural address was just the latest in a long line
of empty words coming from the lips of an empty man. It's going to
be a long four years for America and the rest of the world.


Made even longer if we have to listen to four more years of leftist
defeatism.


Are you still here? Enlist already, you pathetic hypocrite. It is
YOUR war. Don't come back until you have the head of an Iraqi child
on your wall to prove your compassionate conservatism.

--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
.



User: "Les Hellawell"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 22 Jan 2005 03:18:42 PM
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:29:09 -0600, "turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8854~2667809,00.html

Another long four years

Did anyone notice the irony during President Bush's inaugural address on
Thursday that as Bush talked about freedom, security personnel were dragging
away peaceful protesters?
Does this mean that the president's words -- "when you stand for your
liberty, we will stand with you" -- do not apply to those who oppose him?

President Bush used the word "freedom" 27 times in his speech and "liberty"
15 times. It's not a surprise that the words "war," "Iraq," "Iran" and
"terror" were not used at all. Then again, the hallmark of the Bush
administration has been high-minded rhetoric and sordid deeds.

The president said that "it is the policy of the United States to seek and
support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every
nation." Does this mean we'll see free and fair elections in Saudi Arabia,
our second-largest oil supplier? Or in China, the country that now is the
United States' biggest creditor?

What happened to the war against terrorism? Is that war now over?
--
Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 22 Jan 2005 06:24:53 PM
Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in
news:alg5v0pv7hdtufns1ec5hvfjj7nlc7n4bm@4ax.com:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:29:09 -0600, "turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8854~2667809,00.html

Another long four years

Did anyone notice the irony during President Bush's inaugural address
on Thursday that as Bush talked about freedom, security personnel were
dragging away peaceful protesters?
Does this mean that the president's words -- "when you stand for your
liberty, we will stand with you" -- do not apply to those who oppose
him?

President Bush used the word "freedom" 27 times in his speech and
"liberty" 15 times. It's not a surprise that the words "war," "Iraq,"
"Iran" and "terror" were not used at all. Then again, the hallmark of
the Bush administration has been high-minded rhetoric and sordid
deeds.

The president said that "it is the policy of the United States to seek
and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in
every nation." Does this mean we'll see free and fair elections in
Saudi Arabia, our second-largest oil supplier? Or in China, the
country that now is the United States' biggest creditor?


What happened to the war against terrorism? Is that war now over?

Which part of "Seek and support" did you misinterpret as "impose and
dominate?"
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 24 Jan 2005 11:32:29 PM
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:24:53 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Les Hellawell <myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote in
news:alg5v0pv7hdtufns1ec5hvfjj7nlc7n4bm@4ax.com:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:29:09 -0600, "turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8854~2667809,00.html

Another long four years

Did anyone notice the irony during President Bush's inaugural address
on Thursday that as Bush talked about freedom, security personnel were
dragging away peaceful protesters?
Does this mean that the president's words -- "when you stand for your
liberty, we will stand with you" -- do not apply to those who oppose
him?

President Bush used the word "freedom" 27 times in his speech and
"liberty" 15 times. It's not a surprise that the words "war," "Iraq,"
"Iran" and "terror" were not used at all. Then again, the hallmark of
the Bush administration has been high-minded rhetoric and sordid
deeds.

The president said that "it is the policy of the United States to seek
and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in
every nation." Does this mean we'll see free and fair elections in
Saudi Arabia, our second-largest oil supplier? Or in China, the
country that now is the United States' biggest creditor?


What happened to the war against terrorism? Is that war now over?


Which part of "Seek and support" did you misinterpret as "impose and
dominate?"

Impose and dominate is what dumbshit fuckwits like you and your
***** buddy Shrub call 'seek and support.'
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 25 Jan 2005 09:18:20 PM
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:32:29 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:24:53 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:

Which part of "Seek and support" did you misinterpret as "impose and
dominate?"

Impose and dominate is what dumbshit fuckwits like you and your
***** buddy Shrub call 'seek and support.'

Fred and his ilk don't understand that forcing your will on others
isn't "supporting" them.
--
"Christianity has already had the chance to govern
the world according to its own ethical standards.
It was called the "Dark Ages".
- Bill, The Avender
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 26 Jan 2005 07:23:40 AM
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:ju2ev0p0fkjflo86ndsnrhpthrvudibhke@4ax.com:

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:32:29 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:24:53 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:


Which part of "Seek and support" did you misinterpret as "impose and
dominate?"


Impose and dominate is what dumbshit fuckwits like you and your
***** buddy Shrub call 'seek and support.'


Fred and his ilk don't understand that forcing your will on others
isn't "supporting" them.

Al and his butt buddies don't understand that forcing our will upon
dictators and terrorists is a good thing.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 26 Jan 2005 01:23:54 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:ju2ev0p0fkjflo86ndsnrhpthrvudibhke@4ax.com:

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:32:29 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:24:53 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:


Which part of "Seek and support" did you misinterpret as "impose
and dominate?"


Impose and dominate is what dumbshit fuckwits like you and your
***** buddy Shrub call 'seek and support.'


Fred and his ilk don't understand that forcing your will on others
isn't "supporting" them.


Al and his butt buddies don't understand that forcing our will upon
dictators and terrorists is a good thing.

Only if they can't defend themselves and their is something of value in it
for the US do we force our will on the dictator.
Iraq is a prime example of that.
From the way the people in Iraq are dying and resisting us it seems clear
that we are the terrorists there.
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 26 Jan 2005 03:48:28 PM
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:e7SJd.16034$5R.10317@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:ju2ev0p0fkjflo86ndsnrhpthrvudibhke@4ax.com:

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:32:29 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:24:53 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:


Which part of "Seek and support" did you misinterpret as "impose
and dominate?"


Impose and dominate is what dumbshit fuckwits like you and your
***** buddy Shrub call 'seek and support.'


Fred and his ilk don't understand that forcing your will on others
isn't "supporting" them.


Al and his butt buddies don't understand that forcing our will upon
dictators and terrorists is a good thing.


Only if they can't defend themselves and their is something of value
in it for the US do we force our will on the dictator.
Iraq is a prime example of that.

Yeah, right, that wasn't the tune people were playing before the war.
Nor was it the tune in Afghanistan. And now that Iran is in our sights,
they're playing the same old tune for them, too.

From the way the people in Iraq are dying and resisting us it seems
clear that we are the terrorists there.

Actually, from the way people are dying over there, they're resisting
the old Saddamist regime and the foreign terrorists who want to reimpose
the old dictatorship. The US is helping the legitimate sovereign
government of Iraq to resist those terrorists.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 26 Jan 2005 02:26:15 PM
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:23:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> said in alt.atheism:

Fred Stone wrote:

Al and his butt buddies don't understand that forcing our will upon
dictators and terrorists is a good thing.

Fred and his ilk don't realize that violating the law is still
violating the law even when you don't like the particular law.
And that forcing one's will on another country is imposing a
dictatorship on that country by terrorism.
--
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he
unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
-- Bertrand Russell.
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 26 Jan 2005 03:50:27 PM
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:k4vfv0hbe1ddkibln5c423su2kqk2uae71@4ax.com:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:23:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> said in alt.atheism:

Fred Stone wrote:


Al and his butt buddies don't understand that forcing our will upon
dictators and terrorists is a good thing.


Fred and his ilk don't realize that violating the law is still
violating the law even when you don't like the particular law.

The US didn't violate any laws by invading Iraq.

And that forcing one's will on another country is imposing a
dictatorship on that country by terrorism.

You're right. I don't "realize" that at all, because it's simply not
true.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
.
User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 26 Jan 2005 08:34:26 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:k4vfv0hbe1ddkibln5c423su2kqk2uae71@4ax.com:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:23:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> said in alt.atheism:

Fred Stone wrote:


Al and his butt buddies don't understand that forcing our will upon
dictators and terrorists is a good thing.


Fred and his ilk don't realize that violating the law is still
violating the law even when you don't like the particular law.


The US didn't violate any laws by invading Iraq.

Which supports the idea that Might is Right and that Saddam broke no laws
when he invaded.


And that forcing one's will on another country is imposing a
dictatorship on that country by terrorism.


You're right. I don't "realize" that at all, because it's simply not
true.

What exactly do you call it when one country *eliminates* the basic laws of
another country by force of arms and imposes other laws?
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 26 Jan 2005 08:52:08 PM
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:SqYJd.6622$8Z1.4419@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:k4vfv0hbe1ddkibln5c423su2kqk2uae71@4ax.com:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:23:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> said in alt.atheism:

Fred Stone wrote:


Al and his butt buddies don't understand that forcing our will
upon dictators and terrorists is a good thing.


Fred and his ilk don't realize that violating the law is still
violating the law even when you don't like the particular law.


The US didn't violate any laws by invading Iraq.


Which supports the idea that Might is Right and that Saddam broke no
laws when he invaded.

No, it doesn't.



And that forcing one's will on another country is imposing a
dictatorship on that country by terrorism.


You're right. I don't "realize" that at all, because it's simply not
true.


What exactly do you call it when one country *eliminates* the basic
laws of another country by force of arms and imposes other laws?

In this particular instance, I call it "liberation".
What do *you* call it when one country *eliminates* the tyrrannical
faction that terrorized another country by force of arms and then
sponsors democratic elections leading to a constitutional convention so
that the natives can establish their own form of government?
--
Fred Stone
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User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 27 Jan 2005 01:03:27 AM
Fred Stone wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in

No, it doesn't.



And that forcing one's will on another country is imposing a
dictatorship on that country by terrorism.


You're right. I don't "realize" that at all, because it's simply not
true.


What exactly do you call it when one country *eliminates* the basic
laws of another country by force of arms and imposes other laws?


In this particular instance, I call it "liberation".

What do *you* call it when one country *eliminates* the tyrrannical
faction that terrorized another country by force of arms and then
sponsors democratic elections leading to a constitutional convention
so that the natives can establish their own form of government?

I don't know anybody who has done that.
I know of a country that has killed more people and destroyed more property
in a couple of years than this alleged tyrant did in his whole life.
I know a country that *eliminated* a complete set of working laws in that
same country.
I know a country where the invaders haven't been able to fly helicopters at
reasonable altitudes for over a year.
I know that, just as I predicted, the rate of rebellion against this
invading force has grown over time.
The people hide when the Americans go past.
And I see the ugly American speaking when he says "the natives can establish
their own form of government?"
Will America allow a government if the people want a theocracy based on
Muslim law?
In a pigs eye.

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 27 Jan 2005 08:15:37 AM
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:3n0Kd.15591$wZ2.11519@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in

No, it doesn't.



And that forcing one's will on another country is imposing a
dictatorship on that country by terrorism.


You're right. I don't "realize" that at all, because it's simply
not true.


What exactly do you call it when one country *eliminates* the basic
laws of another country by force of arms and imposes other laws?


In this particular instance, I call it "liberation".

What do *you* call it when one country *eliminates* the tyrrannical
faction that terrorized another country by force of arms and then
sponsors democratic elections leading to a constitutional convention
so that the natives can establish their own form of government?


I don't know anybody who has done that.

Then you don't know ***** about the situation in Iraq.

I know of a country that has killed more people and destroyed more
property in a couple of years than this alleged tyrant did in his
whole life. I know a country that *eliminated* a complete set of
working laws in that same country.

Then all you know is propaganda from terrorist sympathisers.

I know a country where the invaders haven't been able to fly
helicopters at reasonable altitudes for over a year.

No, you don't know any country like that. You know of one newspaper
report about one particular area.

I know that, just as I predicted, the rate of rebellion against this
invading force has grown over time.

False impression based on accelerated media coverage.

The people hide when the Americans go past.
And I see the ugly American speaking when he says "the natives can
establish their own form of government?"

Look away from the mirror.

Will America allow a government if the people want a theocracy based
on Muslim law?
In a pigs eye.

Since the people *don't* want that, your question is moot.
--
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User: "Mike Painter"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 27 Jan 2005 05:06:24 PM
Fred Stone wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:3n0Kd.15591$wZ2.11519@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in

No, it doesn't.



And that forcing one's will on another country is imposing a
dictatorship on that country by terrorism.


You're right. I don't "realize" that at all, because it's simply
not true.


What exactly do you call it when one country *eliminates* the basic
laws of another country by force of arms and imposes other laws?


In this particular instance, I call it "liberation".

What do *you* call it when one country *eliminates* the tyrrannical
faction that terrorized another country by force of arms and then
sponsors democratic elections leading to a constitutional convention
so that the natives can establish their own form of government?


I don't know anybody who has done that.


Then you don't know ***** about the situation in Iraq.

So you say, but you are the same one who told us the war was over and that
things were getting better.
Things are not getting better and even the American press is starting to
admit it now.
Iraq is behaving exactly as I predicted.
It will continue to have problems and we will continue to maintain a
presence by force of arms, not the will of the people.
Iraq, I realized today, is behaving exactly as the memebr states of the
Soviet union did when it broke down.


I know of a country that has killed more people and destroyed more
property in a couple of years than this alleged tyrant did in his
whole life. I know a country that *eliminated* a complete set of
working laws in that same country.


Then all you know is propaganda from terrorist sympathisers.

Either that is a stupid statement or a lie. The USA *eliminated* all traffic
laws in the country because they didn't approve of a system that worked.


I know a country where the invaders haven't been able to fly
helicopters at reasonable altitudes for over a year.


No, you don't know any country like that. You know of one newspaper
report about one particular area.

It's been going on since 2003. Read much?


I know that, just as I predicted, the rate of rebellion against this
invading force has grown over time.


False impression based on accelerated media coverage.

Accurate impressions based on media coverage. You may not believe it but the
"natives" of other countries have newspapers and can read and write.


The people hide when the Americans go past.
And I see the ugly American speaking when he says "the natives can
establish their own form of government?"


Look away from the mirror.

Will America allow a government if the people want a theocracy based
on Muslim law?
In a pigs eye.


Since the people *don't* want that, your question is moot.

.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 28 Jan 2005 07:46:10 AM
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:QteKd.7659$8Z1.7296@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
news:3n0Kd.15591$wZ2.11519@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:

Fred Stone wrote:

"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote in

No, it doesn't.



And that forcing one's will on another country is imposing a
dictatorship on that country by terrorism.


You're right. I don't "realize" that at all, because it's simply
not true.


What exactly do you call it when one country *eliminates* the
basic laws of another country by force of arms and imposes other
laws?


In this particular instance, I call it "liberation".

What do *you* call it when one country *eliminates* the tyrrannical
faction that terrorized another country by force of arms and then
sponsors democratic elections leading to a constitutional
convention so that the natives can establish their own form of
government?


I don't know anybody who has done that.


Then you don't know ***** about the situation in Iraq.


So you say, but you are the same one who told us the war was over and
that things were getting better.

They *are* getting better, in spite of the negative portrayal in the
American media. What's getting worse is the American press coverage.
It's become quite clear that the Associated Press is "embedded" with the
terrorists.
http://www.brookesnews.com/052401mediaap.html
http://www.brookesnews.com/052401mcgeough.html
http://www.brookesnews.com/052401mediaterror.html

Things are not getting better and even the American press is starting
to admit it now.

The American press has been exaggerating how bad it is ever since the
beginning of the war. And they just keep cranking it up, giving the
*false* impression of a war that is out of control.

Iraq is behaving exactly as I predicted.
It will continue to have problems and we will continue to maintain a
presence by force of arms, not the will of the people.

You only seem to care about the will of the small minority of "the
people" who are the terrorists. In fact over 80% of Iraqis are more than
willing to get out and vote, in spite of all the terrorist threats.

Iraq, I realized today, is behaving exactly as the memebr states of
the Soviet union did when it broke down.

You're a perfect example of a propaganda victim. You've internalized the
"story line" to the point where you don't need to be controlled any
more.


I know of a country that has killed more people and destroyed more
property in a couple of years than this alleged tyrant did in his
whole life. I know a country that *eliminated* a complete set of
working laws in that same country.


Then all you know is propaganda from terrorist sympathisers.


Either that is a stupid statement or a lie. The USA *eliminated* all
traffic laws in the country because they didn't approve of a system
that worked.

Traffic laws? You're worried about traffic laws in a country that you
claim is on the brink of collapse due to American intervention? Man, you
can't help but display just how irrational your own propaganda is.


I know a country where the invaders haven't been able to fly
helicopters at reasonable altitudes for over a year.


No, you don't know any country like that. You know of one newspaper
report about one particular area.


It's been going on since 2003. Read much?


I know that, just as I predicted, the rate of rebellion against this
invading force has grown over time.


False impression based on accelerated media coverage.


Accurate impressions based on media coverage. You may not believe it
but the "natives" of other countries have newspapers and can read and
write.

And I bet you think Al Jazeera is an unbiased press.


The people hide when the Americans go past.
And I see the ugly American speaking when he says "the natives can
establish their own form of government?"


Look away from the mirror.

Will America allow a government if the people want a theocracy based
on Muslim law?
In a pigs eye.


Since the people *don't* want that, your question is moot.




--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
.



User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 27 Jan 2005 05:15:00 AM
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:03:27 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Will America allow a government if the people want a theocracy based on
Muslim law?

They didn't in Algeria a couple of decades ago when it looked as
though one was going to de democratically elected so the elections
were cancelled.

In a pigs eye.





.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 27 Jan 2005 08:18:41 AM
Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote in
news:k7jhv01g9dvhbbo4pngujrpjm3lo2chgqd@4ax.com:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:03:27 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Will America allow a government if the people want a theocracy based on
Muslim law?


They didn't in Algeria a couple of decades ago when it looked as
though one was going to de democratically elected so the elections
were cancelled.

What does leftist revisionist "history" aka propaganda with no basis in
reality have to do with the current situation in Iraq?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
.




User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 27 Jan 2005 11:47:14 AM
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:34:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> said in alt.atheism:

Fred Stone wrote:

Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:k4vfv0hbe1ddkibln5c423su2kqk2uae71@4ax.com:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:23:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> said in alt.atheism:

Fred Stone wrote:

Al and his butt buddies don't understand that forcing our will upon
dictators and terrorists is a good thing.

Fred and his ilk don't realize that violating the law is still
violating the law even when you don't like the particular law.

The US didn't violate any laws by invading Iraq.

Which supports the idea that Might is Right

Fred has said that MANY times.

and that Saddam broke no laws when he invaded.

Oh, no. OUR might makes right. Anyone going against us is wrong.
According to Fred.

And that forcing one's will on another country is imposing a

dictatorship on that country by terrorism.

You're right. I don't "realize" that at all, because it's simply not
true.

What exactly do you call it when one country *eliminates* the basic laws of
another country by force of arms and imposes other laws?

Depends on which country is which to Fred.
--
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the orderliness we find in the perceivable world."
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rukbat at verizon dot net
.
User: "Fred Stone"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 27 Jan 2005 11:57:35 AM
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:q5aiv0d65m96um5u2oqqoonvq0p911ppjq@4ax.com:

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:34:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> said in alt.atheism:

Fred Stone wrote:

Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:k4vfv0hbe1ddkibln5c423su2kqk2uae71@4ax.com:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:23:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> said in alt.atheism:

Fred Stone wrote:


Al and his butt buddies don't understand that forcing our will
upon dictators and terrorists is a good thing.


Fred and his ilk don't realize that violating the law is still
violating the law even when you don't like the particular law.


The US didn't violate any laws by invading Iraq.


Which supports the idea that Might is Right


Fred has said that MANY times.

What good is "right" if your "rightness" leaves you the victim of every
"wrong" in the world?

and that Saddam broke no laws when he invaded.


Oh, no. OUR might makes right. Anyone going against us is wrong.
According to Fred.

Of course that's a typically simpleminded librul's strawman of my actual
position.

And that forcing one's will on another country is imposing a

dictatorship on that country by terrorism.


You're right. I don't "realize" that at all, because it's simply not
true.


What exactly do you call it when one country *eliminates* the basic
laws of another country by force of arms and imposes other laws?


Depends on which country is which to Fred.

Al and his ilk don't seem to mind either when it's not the US that is
imposing their will on another country.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Support bacteria! That's all the culture many people will ever have.
.


User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 27 Jan 2005 11:49:45 AM
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:34:26 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Fred Stone wrote:

Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in
news:k4vfv0hbe1ddkibln5c423su2kqk2uae71@4ax.com:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:23:54 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> said in alt.atheism:

Fred Stone wrote:


Al and his butt buddies don't understand that forcing our will upon
dictators and terrorists is a good thing.


Fred and his ilk don't realize that violating the law is still
violating the law even when you don't like the particular law.

The US didn't violate any laws by invading Iraq.


Which supports the idea that Might is Right and that Saddam broke no laws
when he invaded.

Exactly.

And that forcing one's will on another country is imposing a
dictatorship on that country by terrorism.


You're right. I don't "realize" that at all, because it's simply not
true.


What exactly do you call it when one country *eliminates* the basic laws of
another country by force of arms and imposes other laws?

Imperialism and terrorism.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.






User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 26 Jan 2005 05:07:30 PM
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:18:20 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:32:29 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 00:24:53 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:


Which part of "Seek and support" did you misinterpret as "impose and
dominate?"


Impose and dominate is what dumbshit fuckwits like you and your
***** buddy Shrub call 'seek and support.'


Fred and his ilk don't understand that forcing your will on others
isn't "supporting" them.

Is there anything they do understand, outside of being beaten
forcefully with a truncheon?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 26 Jan 2005 06:18:45 PM
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:07:30 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:

Is there anything they do understand, outside of being beaten
forcefully with a truncheon?

No, but they will be. The world won't put up with them forever.
--
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- Friedrich Nietzsche
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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 27 Jan 2005 11:48:16 AM
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:18:45 GMT, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:07:30 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> said in
alt.atheism:

Is there anything they do understand, outside of being beaten
forcefully with a truncheon?


No, but they will be. The world won't put up with them forever.

It can't come soon enough.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
.






User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 22 Jan 2005 06:18:43 PM
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:18:42 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> said in alt.atheism:

What happened to the war against terrorism? Is that war now over?

There was a war on terrorism? I must have blinked through it.
--
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ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Another 4 years...Tales from the orgy of wealth that is the inauguration 24 Jan 2005 11:31:24 PM
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:18:42 +0000, Les Hellawell
<myshredder@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:29:09 -0600, "turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote:

http://www.reformer.com/Stories/0,1413,102~8854~2667809,00.html

Another long four years

Did anyone notice the irony during President Bush's inaugural address on
Thursday that as Bush talked about freedom, security personnel were dragging
away peaceful protesters?
Does this mean that the president's words -- "when you stand for your
liberty, we will stand with you" -- do not apply to those who oppose him?

President Bush used the word "freedom" 27 times in his speech and "liberty"
15 times. It's not a surprise that the words "war," "Iraq," "Iran" and
"terror" were not used at all. Then again, the hallmark of the Bush
administration has been high-minded rhetoric and sordid deeds.

The president said that "it is the policy of the United States to seek and
support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every
nation." Does this mean we'll see free and fair elections in Saudi Arabia,
our second-largest oil supplier? Or in China, the country that now is the
United States' biggest creditor?


What happened to the war against terrorism? Is that war now over?

Yes, the Rethugnican terrorists won.
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Court who will ensure church and state are joined
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