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"Gactimus" |
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11 Jan 2005 07:31:04 PM |
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Another 9-11? Nuke Mecca |
Why hasn't Osama bin Laden's terror network executed an attack on U.S.
soil since 9-11?
Simple, says Dr. Jack Wheeler, creator of an acclaimed intelligence
website dubbed "the oasis for rational conservatives": The U.S. has
threatened to nuke the Muslim holy city of Mecca should the terror
leader strike America again.
On his website, To the Point, Wheeler explains how the Bush
administration has identified the potential of wiping Mecca off the map
as bin Laden's ultimate point of vulnerability - the Damoclean Sword
hanging over his head.
"Israel recognizes that the Aswan Dam is Egypt's Damoclean Sword,"
writes Wheeler. "There is no possibility whatever of Egypt's winning a
war with Israel, for if Aswan is blown, all of inhabited Egypt is under
20 feet of water. Once the Israelis made this clear to the Egyptians,
the possibility of any future Egyptian attack on Israel like that of
1948, 1967, and 1972 is gone."
Wheeler says talk of bin Laden's Damoclean Sword has infiltrated the
Beltway.
Writes Wheeler in his members-only column: "There has been a rumor
floating in the Washington ether for some time now that George Bush has
figured out what Sword of Damocles is suspended over Osama bin Laden's
head. It's whispered among Capitol Hill staffers on the intel and armed
services committees; White House NSC (National Security Council) members
clam up tight if you begin to hint at it; and State Department neo-cons
love to give their liberal counterparts cardiac arrhythmia by
elliptically conversing about it in their presence.
"The whispers and hints and ellipses are getting louder now because the
rumor explains the inexplicable: Why hasn't there been a repeat of 9-11?
How can it be that after this unimaginable tragedy and Osama's constant
threats of another, we have gone over three years without a single
terrorist attack on American soil?"
Available only to subscribers of To the Point, Wheeler ends his column
by explaining the effectiveness of the Mecca threat.
"Completely obliterating the terrorists' holiest of holies, rendering
what is for them the world's most sacred spot a radioactive hole in the
ground is retribution of biblical proportions - and those are the only
proportions that will do the job.
"Osama would have laughed off such a threat, given his view that
Americans are wussies who cut and run after a few losses, such as
Lebanon in 1983 and Somalia in 1993. Part of Bush's rationale for
invading Afghanistan and Iraq - obviously never expressed publicly - was
to convince Osama that his threat to nuke Mecca was real. Osama hates
America just as much as ever, but he is laughing no more."
Wheeler says bin Laden is "playing poker with a Texas cowboy holding the
nuclear aces," so there's nothing al-Qaida could do that could come
remotely close to risking obliterating Mecca.
Writes Wheeler: "So far, Osama has decided not to see if GW is bluffing.
Smart move."
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| User: "Dave Shipley" |
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14 Jan 2005 05:12:06 PM |
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"Mel" <mel@atj.faq.com> wrote in message
news:vijdu0pjq6i92osou6igkou558bqn87j8i@4ax.com...
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:05:51 GMT, jsavard@excxn.aNOSPAMb.cdn.invalid (John
Savard) wrote in message <41e6b76a.854023@news.ecn.ab.ca>:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:25:17 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
Well, since the Israelis stole land from the Palestinians, I can't make
myself feel sorry for them when the Palestinians attempt to get their
land
back.
You are misinformed about the Middle East situation.
No army of Jews marched into Palestine one morning to seize the land for
a Jewish homeland. Jews were admitted to Palestine as immigrants by the
British colonial administration, and any land they obtained, they bought
and paid for.
It's true that colonialism prevented the Palestinians from setting their
own immigration policy - as happened to Sri Lanka, Uganda, and Fiji as
well.
Even so, the bigger injustice is when minority group members are subject
to attacks and violence. And this happened in Palestine. *That* is why
it was partitioned, because the Arabs chose to target Jews for violent
acts.
And after the partition - set in place by the United Nations - the Arabs
descended on Israel with the intent of driving it into the sea.
I can't make myself feel sorry for people who don't know enough to quit
while they're ahead. Or for those who cozied up to the murderous Soviet
Union to get armaments for purposes not approved of by the United States
and other democratic nations.
the Arabs were opposed to the state of Israel. they had been promised that
land for themselves by the British for their co-operation in driving the
Turks from in in 1917. The Turks were part of the Axis powers in WWI.
The Central Powers IIRC.
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Dave Shipley
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Far across the ocean, deep under the sea, there's a river running dry 'cos
of you and me
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12 Jan 2005 08:42:12 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:25:17 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
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Well, since the Israelis stole land from the Palestinians, I can't make
myself feel sorry for them when the Palestinians attempt to get their land
back.
Just ignore "towelhead". He/she/it hates Jews and America.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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12 Jan 2005 11:19:38 PM |
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<> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:25:17 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
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Well, since the Israelis stole land from the Palestinians, I can't make
myself feel sorry for them when the Palestinians attempt to get their land
back.
Just ignore "towelhead". He/she/it hates Jews and America.
So anybody who dares to criticize Israeli policies hate Jews?
You really are a bigoted *****. Anything to justify your terrorism.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "towelie" |
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12 Jan 2005 08:51:05 AM |
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TV's wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:25:17 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Well, since the Israelis stole land from the Palestinians, I can't make
myself feel sorry for them when the Palestinians attempt to get their
land
back.
Just ignore "towelhead". He/she/it hates Jews and America.
"Criticism of Israel is NOT anti-Semitism."
And with the "towelhead" comment, I deduct that you have an intense hatred
for Arabs.
And I most definitely do not hate the USA, I just disagree with its leaders.
But you rightards aren't intelligent enough to differentiate between
disagreement with a government's policies and "hating" that country.
Now back to your cave, philistine.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
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| User: "" |
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12 Jan 2005 09:27:25 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:51:05 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
And I most definitely do not hate the USA, I just disagree with its leaders.
But you rightards aren't intelligent enough to differentiate between
disagreement with a government's policies and "hating" that country.
Now back to your cave, philistine.
But yet you probably thought Clinton was the best President ever.
You only object to US policy when your slanted political agenda is not
involved.
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| User: "towelie" |
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12 Jan 2005 09:34:28 AM |
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TV's wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:51:05 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
And I most definitely do not hate the USA, I just disagree with its
leaders.
But you rightards aren't intelligent enough to differentiate between
disagreement with a government's policies and "hating" that country.
Now back to your cave, philistine.
But yet you probably thought Clinton was the best President ever.
The best president of my short lifetime, yes. The best ever, not by a long
shot.
You only object to US policy when your slanted political agenda is not
involved.
What "agenda" might that be?
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
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| User: "Sharky" |
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12 Jan 2005 12:43:56 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:34:28 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
But yet you probably thought Clinton was the best President ever.
The best president of my short lifetime, yes.
There it is! The incredibly ignorant "towelhead" is still pooping in
diapers and sucking on his mams tit.
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| User: "towelie" |
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12 Jan 2005 01:07:32 PM |
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TV's Sharky wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:34:28 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
But yet you probably thought Clinton was the best President ever.
The best president of my short lifetime, yes.
There it is! The incredibly ignorant "towelhead" is still pooping in
diapers and sucking on his mams tit.
If I were that young, I wouldn't have been alive during Clinton's admin.
Moron.
FWIW, I was born during the Nixon administration.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Sharky" |
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13 Jan 2005 02:48:52 PM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:07:32 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's Sharky wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:34:28 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
But yet you probably thought Clinton was the best President ever.
The best president of my short lifetime, yes.
There it is! The incredibly ignorant "towelhead" is still pooping in
diapers and sucking on his mams tit.
FWIW, I was born during the Nixon administration.
Don't you think it's about time you moved out of the house and let your
mommy get on with her life?
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| User: "towelie" |
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13 Jan 2005 07:25:47 PM |
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TV's Sharky wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:07:32 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's Sharky wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:34:28 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
But yet you probably thought Clinton was the best President ever.
The best president of my short lifetime, yes.
There it is! The incredibly ignorant "towelhead" is still pooping in
diapers and sucking on his mams tit.
FWIW, I was born during the Nixon administration.
Don't you think it's about time you moved out of the house and let your
mommy get on with her life?
Ah, third grade insults. That's why I love usenet, I can pretend that it's
1982 all over again.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Douglas D. Anderson" |
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15 Jan 2005 10:31:20 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote
TV's Sharky wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:07:32 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's Sharky wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:34:28 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
But yet you probably thought Clinton was the best President ever.
The best president of my short lifetime, yes.
There it is! The incredibly ignorant "towelhead" is still pooping in
diapers and sucking on his mams tit.
FWIW, I was born during the Nixon administration.
Don't you think it's about time you moved out of the house and let your
mommy get on with her life?
Ah, third grade insults. That's why I love usenet, I can pretend that it's
1982 all over again.
That would be more impressive if you hadn't been born in 1953.
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| User: "Sharky" |
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14 Jan 2005 09:14:41 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:25:47 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's Sharky wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:07:32 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's Sharky wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:34:28 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
But yet you probably thought Clinton was the best President ever.
The best president of my short lifetime, yes.
There it is! The incredibly ignorant "towelhead" is still pooping in
diapers and sucking on his mams tit.
FWIW, I was born during the Nixon administration.
Don't you think it's about time you moved out of the house and let your
mommy get on with her life?
Ah, third grade insults. That's why I love usenet, I can pretend that it's
1982 all over again.
Is that when people first started teasing you about your diapers?
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| User: "towelie" |
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14 Jan 2005 06:01:02 PM |
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TV's Sharky wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:25:47 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's Sharky wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:07:32 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
TV's Sharky wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:34:28 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
But yet you probably thought Clinton was the best President ever.
The best president of my short lifetime, yes.
There it is! The incredibly ignorant "towelhead" is still pooping in
diapers and sucking on his mams tit.
FWIW, I was born during the Nixon administration.
Don't you think it's about time you moved out of the house and let your
mommy get on with her life?
Ah, third grade insults. That's why I love usenet, I can pretend that
it's
1982 all over again.
Is that when people first started teasing you about your diapers?
I said third grade insults, not pre-kindergarten insults.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "towelie" |
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12 Jan 2005 08:43:50 AM |
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TV's wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:25:17 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Well, since the Israelis stole land from the Palestinians, I can't make
myself feel sorry for them when the Palestinians attempt to get their
land
back.
Just ignore "towelhead". He/she/it hates Jews and America.
You're just another dunderhead who can only think in binary.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "" |
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12 Jan 2005 09:28:04 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:43:50 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
You're just another dunderhead who can only think in binary.
I can think in trinary, quadrary and even pentary when I've had a
joint or two.
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| User: "Jez" |
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12 Jan 2005 12:59:29 PM |
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wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:43:50 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
You're just another dunderhead who can only think in binary.
I can think in trinary, quadrary and even pentary when I've had a
joint or two.
*****, they allow good dope to be wasted on fools like you !
Shame man, shame !
--
Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
NFS Underground2, Americas Army And MOH-PA
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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12 Jan 2005 04:45:55 PM |
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towelie wrote:
TV's John Savard wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:47:59 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote, in part:
Actually the US started it by meddling in the affairs of middle-eastern
countries.
You mean meddling like preventing the Arabs from pushing Israel into the
sea, or like freeing Kuwait from a brutal Iraqi occupation?
Well, since the Israelis stole land from the Palestinians, I can't make
myself feel sorry for them when the Palestinians attempt to get their land
back.
Would you support an uprising by the American Indian population?
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| User: "towelie" |
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12 Jan 2005 10:34:19 PM |
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TV's Frank Dwyer wrote:
towelie wrote:
TV's John Savard wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 06:47:59 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote, in part:
Actually the US started it by meddling in the affairs of middle-eastern
countries.
You mean meddling like preventing the Arabs from pushing Israel into the
sea, or like freeing Kuwait from a brutal Iraqi occupation?
Well, since the Israelis stole land from the Palestinians, I can't make
myself feel sorry for them when the Palestinians attempt to get their
land
back.
Would you support an uprising by the American Indian population?
Since the Native Americans were mostly killed by the US government, it is a
moot point.
--
"Shake says that books are from the devil, and that TV is twice as fast" -
Meatwad
"The Constitution was written on reefer by dudes with wooden teeth" - OG Loc
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "James Gassaway" |
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13 Jan 2005 03:08:02 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:34mccjF4ci1n8U1@individual.net...
TV's Frank Dwyer wrote:
towelie wrote:
Well, since the Israelis stole land from the Palestinians, I can't make
myself feel sorry for them when the Palestinians attempt to get their
land
back.
Would you support an uprising by the American Indian population?
Since the Native Americans were mostly killed by the US government, it is
a
moot point.
<quietly wonders how long it will take people to realize the logical
extension of that statement.>
--
Multiversal Mercenaries. You name it, we kill it. Any time, any reality.
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| User: "" |
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13 Jan 2005 02:19:54 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:34:19 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Since the Native Americans were mostly killed by the US government, it is a
moot point.
It's the Indians fault for being on our land before we got here.
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| User: "Starshine Moonbeam" |
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13 Jan 2005 04:22:48 PM |
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In article <fdmcu01s2lvf2i5ebjejpvn0gmg201g68e@4ax.com>,
() dropped a +5 bundle of words...
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 22:34:19 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Since the Native Americans were mostly killed by the US government, it is a
moot point.
It's the Indians fault for being on our land before we got here.
I soooooooo hope that was sarcasm.
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Starshine Moonbeam
mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30
sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM
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| User: "" |
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14 Jan 2005 04:22:55 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 16:22:48 -0600, Starshine Moonbeam
<silverbells@tacoshells.com> wrote:
I soooooooo hope that was sarcasm.
Ya think?
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| User: "jwk" |
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13 Jan 2005 06:10:35 PM |
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towelie wrote:
TV's Osprey wrote:
Everything the Bush regime has done has been uncharacteristic of
the US.
Yea, he actually took the fight to the terrorist this time.
Hey, they started it, they wanted their holy war, now they got it.
Actually the US started it by meddling in the affairs of
middle-eastern
countries.
That is a stupid and simplistic view of US policy in the Middle East.
If you think that having the US cut all diplomatic influence in that
part of the world would help anyone (expect muslim extremists), you are
an idiot.
jwk
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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13 Jan 2005 10:33:10 PM |
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On 13 Jan 2005 16:10:35 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
towelie wrote:
TV's Osprey wrote:
Everything the Bush regime has done has been uncharacteristic of
the US.
Yea, he actually took the fight to the terrorist this time.
Hey, they started it, they wanted their holy war, now they got it.
Actually the US started it by meddling in the affairs of
middle-eastern
countries.
That is a stupid and simplistic view of US policy in the Middle East.
If you think that having the US cut all diplomatic influence in that
part of the world would help anyone (expect muslim extremists), you are
an idiot.
Good thing that's not what he said then, isn't it?
jwk
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14 Jan 2005 04:09:34 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On 13 Jan 2005 16:10:35 -0800, "jwk" <jwkinraleigh@yahoo.com> wrote:
towelie wrote:
TV's Osprey wrote:
Everything the Bush regime has done has been uncharacteristic
of
the US.
Yea, he actually took the fight to the terrorist this time.
Hey, they started it, they wanted their holy war, now they got
it.
Actually the US started it by meddling in the affairs of
middle-eastern
countries.
That is a stupid and simplistic view of US policy in the Middle
East.
If you think that having the US cut all diplomatic influence in that
part of the world would help anyone (expect muslim extremists), you
are
an idiot.
Good thing that's not what he said then, isn't it?
Well how did you read it then? "meddling in the affairs of middle
eastern countries" doesn't just mean stop fighting in Iraq. My
reference to "diplomatic influence" included the stationing of troops,
where they were invited, to prevent one arab country from invading
another. No one with any sense in the middle east wants the US to cut
off all efforts. Imagine the mess. They are not all one big happy
family you know.
jwk
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Jan 2005 07:04:12 PM |
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On 14 Jan 2005 14:09:34 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
Well how did you read it then? "meddling in the affairs of middle
eastern countries" doesn't just mean stop fighting in Iraq. My
reference to "diplomatic influence" included the stationing of troops,
where they were invited
And just where would that be? Not Iraq, that's for sure.
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"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived."
- Isaac Asimov
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "jwk" |
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15 Jan 2005 05:54:02 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 14 Jan 2005 14:09:34 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
Well how did you read it then? "meddling in the affairs of middle
eastern countries" doesn't just mean stop fighting in Iraq. My
reference to "diplomatic influence" included the stationing of
troops,
where they were invited
And just where would that be? Not Iraq, that's for sure.
We were invited to put troops in Saudia Arabia. After Iraq invaded
Kuwait. That is what Bin Laden (claims he) is so upset about.
Remember?
We have also been diplomatically involved in mediating several mideast
conflicts. In particular between Israel and Palestinians. Remember
Bush Jr stopping all that and how the situation there got much worse?
Justified all the efforts put in by past presidents by showing how bad
things get when we don't participate.
jwk
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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15 Jan 2005 06:06:09 PM |
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On 15 Jan 2005 15:54:02 -0800, "jwk" <> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On 14 Jan 2005 14:09:34 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
Well how did you read it then? "meddling in the affairs of middle
eastern countries" doesn't just mean stop fighting in Iraq. My
reference to "diplomatic influence" included the stationing of
troops,
where they were invited
And just where would that be? Not Iraq, that's for sure.
We were invited to put troops in Saudia Arabia. After Iraq invaded
Kuwait. That is what Bin Laden (claims he) is so upset about.
Remember?
No. We asked the Saudi Royals for permission to bring them in
temporarily, until Hussein was out of Kuwait.
They were unwilling, and the population didn't want them.
We reneged on our promise to withdraw them after Gulf War 1.
We have also been diplomatically involved in mediating several mideast
conflicts. In particular between Israel and Palestinians. Remember
Bush Jr stopping all that and how the situation there got much worse?
Justified all the efforts put in by past presidents by showing how bad
things get when we don't participate.
jwk
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Another 9-11? Nuke Mecca |
16 Jan 2005 04:44:26 PM |
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On 15 Jan 2005 15:54:02 -0800, "jwk" <> said in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On 14 Jan 2005 14:09:34 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
Well how did you read it then? "meddling in the affairs of middle
eastern countries" doesn't just mean stop fighting in Iraq. My
reference to "diplomatic influence" included the stationing of troops,
where they were invited
And just where would that be? Not Iraq, that's for sure.
We were invited to put troops in Saudia Arabia.
I seem to remember a bit of coercion involved there.
After Iraq invaded
Kuwait. That is what Bin Laden (claims he) is so upset about.
Remember?
Which has what to do with Iraq?
We have also been diplomatically involved in mediating several mideast
conflicts. In particular between Israel and Palestinians. Remember
Bush Jr stopping all that and how the situation there got much worse?
Justified all the efforts put in by past presidents by showing how bad
things get when we don't participate.
And when we do. Remember, Saddam would never have invaded Kuwait if
not for us. (Who armed him, in the first place?) So we never would
have needed troops in Saudi, bin Laden wouldn't have had that to
complain about, etc.
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: Another 9-11? Nuke Mecca |
16 Jan 2005 07:07:56 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On 15 Jan 2005 15:54:02 -0800, "jwk" < > said in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On 14 Jan 2005 14:09:34 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
Well how did you read it then? "meddling in the affairs of
middle
eastern countries" doesn't just mean stop fighting in Iraq. My
reference to "diplomatic influence" included the stationing of
troops,
where they were invited
And just where would that be? Not Iraq, that's for sure.
We were invited to put troops in Saudia Arabia.
I seem to remember a bit of coercion involved there.
After Iraq invaded
Kuwait. That is what Bin Laden (claims he) is so upset about.
Remember?
Which has what to do with Iraq?
We have also been diplomatically involved in mediating several
mideast
conflicts. In particular between Israel and Palestinians. Remember
Bush Jr stopping all that and how the situation there got much
worse?
Justified all the efforts put in by past presidents by showing how
bad
things get when we don't participate.
And when we do. Remember, Saddam would never have invaded Kuwait if
not for us. (Who armed him, in the first place?) So we never would
have needed troops in Saudi, bin Laden wouldn't have had that to
complain about, etc.
Pick, pick, pick. :) I still think that things would be a lot worse
in the Middle East without our participation. And by "our" I am
excluding Bush Jr's. He's so dumb, he could *****-up a beach party. He
did the wrong thing *not engaging the Israelis and Palestinians
(everyone said so, the Israelis and Palestinians included), and he
screwed up again invading Iraq. The man is a menace. But you can't
convince me that we have no role to play there. Although I admit there
are some glaring past mistakes.
jwk
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