Religions > Atheism > Another anti-gay marriage bill passes by over 75% of the vote.
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"Randy Jabsco" |
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12 Dec 2003 03:02:24 PM |
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Another anti-gay marriage bill passes by over 75% of the vote. |
Hey, I thought you faggots said that people were "accepting" you now.
What's this all about? I thought you faggots said that "ignorance to old
beliefs are making way". Come on faggots, explain this... I don't
understand. If people love faggots so much, why would over two-thirds vote
otherwise? Why is there currently 38 states with anti-gay marriage laws,
all properly voted for by the public? I am having troubles understanding
why the only way faggots can appear to be accepted is by finding a
sympathetic judge to scratch out laws for them. Can't you get the
"accepting" public to vote for them for you? Why isn't it that the faggots
aren't putting these issues on the ballets rather than taking it to
sympathetic judges and congress men?
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Ohio House passes anti-gay marriage bill
COLUMBUS -- Gay marriage would be banned and state employees could not
obtain health insurance and other benefits for unmarried partners under a
bill passed by the Ohio House on Wednesday.
The measure, approved by a 73-23 vote, would recognize marriage as a union
"between one man and one woman" and declare that extending benefits for
unmarried partners to state employees, whether of the same or opposite sex,
is against state policy.
Supporters of the measure point toward the possibility of other states
approving homosexual unions as the impetus for Ohio to set its own standards
for marriage.
The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court last month declared that state's
gay marriage ban unconstitutional and ordered lawmakers to extend the legal
benefits of marriage to domestic partners.
But opponents called the bill discrimination.
House minority leader Rep. Chris Redfern, D-Catawba Island, said committee
hearings on the bill were filled with "hate filled language and bigoted
comments" about homosexuals.
"I cannot allow myself to be aligned with that," he said. "I have respect
for my fellow members ... but I don't want them to be the morality police."
Redfern added that considering society's 50-percent divorce rate, it's hard
to argue that the issue is about upholding the sanctity of marriage.
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| User: "Bob" |
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16 Dec 2003 02:52:00 PM |
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Rick wrote:
<Wild Bill Taylor> wrote in message news:2742b2a5035d2e86e9052126689c2c4a@news.teranews.com...
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:35:26 -0800, "Rick" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
Yes, they do. Note Massachusetts. And Vermont. And
Hawaii. Et al. Hell, even Texas wasn't able to explain why
sodomy should be legal for opposite-sex couples and illegal
for same-sex couples. But again, the longer you continue to
cling to your flawed logic and arguments, the better.
So you admit that the homosexual argument for same sex marriage is ALL
ABOUT SODOMY! Thanks for being so candid -- it's refreshing to see
that from a ***** sucker.
No Billy, the fantasies in your head are all about sodomy.
LOL. Sodomites like Rick hate it when anyone mentions what they really
do.
Legal recognition of same-sex marriage is all about equal
protection of the law, as guaranteed by the 14th Amendment.
Rick
Nope. It's all about repudiating all that marriage always has been and
twisting marriage into some strange government giveaway program for rump
riders.
Sorry Rick, your bending over for your dog is not a "marriage."
Bob
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| User: "Bob" |
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16 Dec 2003 01:43:26 PM |
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Rick wrote:
<Al Ongapo> wrote in message news:469e50436733de614f4fb6f41e48fd35@news.teranews.com...
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:18:01 -0800, "Rick" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
<Al Ongapo> wrote in message news:f015b03d5258d4a1e7369b6894ba9d6b@news.teranews.com...
Legalizing same-sex marriage would not merely permit a small
number of people to choose alternate lifestyles (they are already
doing that). It would force the rest of us to accept a public
judgment that "personal desire outweighs the value of traditional
marriage and outweighs the need of children for mothers and fathers."
"Traditional marriage" is a relative term, e.g. before 1960
"traditional marriage" was used as an argument to justify laws
against interracial marriages. Again, it's not a legally defensible
argument. Nor is pointing to bibles.
There is no grounds for comparison of denial for racial reasons and
non-recognition based on behavior. You homos know that and that's what
keeps you from being more obnoxious than you are.
Keep believing that, ok? The longer you do, the better.
Miscegenation laws = Race discrimination
DOMA laws = Gender discrimination
False premise. Any man or woman can marry and have children within the
realm of biology.
If you don't like it go complain to mother nature.
Best of luck defending either one.
Your lies need not be defended, or even argued with.
DOMA laws will eventually
be thrown out as the discriminatory garbage they are. That's
why the Federal Marriage Amendment was introduced. Your
side don't have a legal leg to stand on, and they know it.
LOL. Only the age old laws of virtually all of humanity.
If personal desire is to become the only criterion for public
recognition of marriage, if equal rights and nondiscrimination require
us to be neutral about who is eligible for marriage, how then can we
deny marriage to those who want to marry a child, or a sibling, or
more than one wife? All those practices are common in some other
countries.
In every one of those cases the state has proven a compelling
interest in denying legal recognition of marriage. Not so in the
case of same-sex marriage.
They don't have too.
Yes, they do. Note Massachusetts. And Vermont. And
Hawaii. Et al. Hell, even Texas wasn't able to explain why
sodomy should be legal for opposite-sex couples and illegal
for same-sex couples. But again, the longer you continue to
cling to your flawed logic and arguments, the better.
Rick
In Europe they are passing laws to strengthen and encourage marriage and
children. If it weren't for massive illegal immigration the US would
also be working on strengthening the benefits for bearing children.
Destroying marriage hurts the whole society.
Bob
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| User: "Rick" |
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| Title: Re: Gays get anoth -Bob gets a "***** SLAP" with his own stupidity |
16 Dec 2003 01:47:18 PM |
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"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3FDF605E.4010507@hotmail.com...
Destroying marriage hurts the whole society.
So again I ask the same question Barney Frank asked in 1996:
How does the fact that I love another man, and live in a
committed relationship with him, threaten your marriage?
After almost eight years we're STILL waiting for a legally
defensible answer to that simple question.
Rick
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| User: "Wild Bill Taylor" |
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16 Dec 2003 03:40:45 PM |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:47:18 -0800, "Rick" <me@privacy.net> wrote:
"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3FDF605E.4010507@hotmail.com...
Destroying marriage hurts the whole society.
So again I ask the same question Barney Frank asked in 1996:
How does the fact that I love another man, and live in a
committed relationship with him, threaten your marriage?
It doesn't. Just so long as the US doesn't allow SSM. You can even
***** Barney Frank if you wish, I don't care.(I'm sure Barney would
like it - You know he ran a homo-*****-house out of his Washington
apartment)
After almost eight years we're STILL waiting for a legally
defensible answer to that simple question.
The answer is simple; you now have EXACTLY the same marriage rights as
does every other US citizen. You will not be granted special rights
based on your perverted sexual behavior. Now quit begging.
Rick
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Dec 2003 10:28:22 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:43:26 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
False premise. Any man or woman can marry and have children within the
realm of biology.
Wrong. Due to illness, I can't. Just can't. I don't have sperm.
Yet I'm married. Wonders never cease
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Bob" |
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17 Dec 2003 10:42:52 AM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:43:26 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
False premise. Any man or woman can marry and have children within the
realm of biology.
Wrong. Due to illness, I can't. Just can't. I don't have sperm.
Sometimes evolution succeeds.
Yet I'm married. Wonders never cease
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Pretend all you like.
Bob
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Dec 2003 01:50:39 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:42:52 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:43:26 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
False premise. Any man or woman can marry and have children within the
realm of biology.
Wrong. Due to illness, I can't. Just can't. I don't have sperm.
Sometimes evolution succeeds.
Whaty part of "due to illness" failed to penetrate the poor lump of
oatmeal between your ears? Chemotherapy is what killed my little
swimmers.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "WILD BILL TAYLOR" |
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17 Dec 2003 10:38:24 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:50:39 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:42:52 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:43:26 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
False premise. Any man or woman can marry and have children within the
realm of biology.
Wrong. Due to illness, I can't. Just can't. I don't have sperm.
Sometimes evolution succeeds.
Whaty part of "due to illness" failed to penetrate the poor lump of
oatmeal between your ears? Chemotherapy is what killed my little
swimmers.
They should have kept the "ray gun" it away from your head, because
it's obvious that it fucked over your brain pretty badly too. I knew
there was something strange about you, boy.
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| User: "Jefferson Brady" |
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18 Dec 2003 06:09:02 AM |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:38:24 GMT, WILD BILL TAYLOR wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:50:39 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:42:52 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:43:26 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
False premise. Any man or woman can marry and have children within the
realm of biology.
Wrong. Due to illness, I can't. Just can't. I don't have sperm.
Sometimes evolution succeeds.
Whaty part of "due to illness" failed to penetrate the poor lump of
oatmeal between your ears? Chemotherapy is what killed my little
swimmers.
They should have kept the "ray gun" it away from your head, because
it's obvious that it fucked over your brain pretty badly too. I knew
there was something strange about you, boy.
You still refuse to admit that there are heterosexual couples who
can't have children? You're dumber then bucket of acrons.
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| User: "Wild Bill Taylor" |
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18 Dec 2003 12:57:46 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:09:02 GMT, (Jefferson
Brady) wrote:
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:38:24 GMT, WILD BILL TAYLOR wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:50:39 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:42:52 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:43:26 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
False premise. Any man or woman can marry and have children within the
realm of biology.
Wrong. Due to illness, I can't. Just can't. I don't have sperm.
Sometimes evolution succeeds.
Whaty part of "due to illness" failed to penetrate the poor lump of
oatmeal between your ears? Chemotherapy is what killed my little
swimmers.
They should have kept the "ray gun" it away from your head, because
it's obvious that it fucked over your brain pretty badly too. I knew
there was something strange about you, boy.
You still refuse to admit that there are heterosexual couples who
can't have children?
You still refuse to admit that there are NO same sex couples who can
have children. You're dumber than six cases dumb *****.
You're dumber then bucket of acrons.
Isn't it humorous when a mush brain uses poor English and worse
spelling when calling someone "Dumb?" <SNIGGER>
(You're benched boy! Hey, Pedro, send in one of those suckers who
speaka da Englisha!)
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Dec 2003 09:28:58 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:57:46 GMT, a stranger
called by some Wild Bill Taylor came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
You still refuse to admit that there are NO same sex couples who can
have children. You're dumber than six cases dumb *****.
Never heard of a sperm donor?
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Wild BILL Taylor" |
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18 Dec 2003 09:45:11 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:28:58 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:57:46 GMT, a stranger
called by some Wild Bill Taylor came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
You still refuse to admit that there are NO same sex couples who can
have children. You're dumber than six cases dumb *****.
Never heard of a sperm donor?
You mean the homo who's fucking you in the ***** - is that who you call
sperm donor? You know some homos call them "gift-givers."
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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18 Dec 2003 11:54:28 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:45:11 GMT, a stranger
called by some Wild BILL Taylor came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:28:58 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:57:46 GMT, a stranger
called by some Wild Bill Taylor came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
You still refuse to admit that there are NO same sex couples who can
have children. You're dumber than six cases dumb *****.
Never heard of a sperm donor?
You mean the homo who's fucking you in the ***** - is that who you call
sperm donor? You know some homos call them "gift-givers."
Bill, *lesbians* are same-sex couples. I know you are obsessed with
fevered visions of hot, man on man sex, but do try to keep your eyes
on the ball here.
Lesbians can, and do, have kids and raise them.
"Gift givers" are part of the disturbing and frankly nauseating group
who want to get AIDS. I really don't get them at all.
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Wild Bill Taylor" |
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19 Dec 2003 03:50:43 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:54:28 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:45:11 GMT, a stranger
called by some Wild BILL Taylor came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:28:58 GMT, Douglas Berry
<penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:57:46 GMT, a stranger
called by some Wild Bill Taylor came forth and told this tale in
alt.atheism
You still refuse to admit that there are NO same sex couples who can
have children. You're dumber than six cases dumb *****.
Never heard of a sperm donor?
You mean the homo who's fucking you in the ***** - is that who you call
sperm donor? You know some homos call them "gift-givers."
Bill, *lesbians* are same-sex couples. I know you are obsessed with
fevered visions of hot, man on man sex, but do try to keep your eyes
on the ball here.
How many lesbians have you seen post in APH in
support of ssm? They to appear to think, as most
Americans do, that homosexual men are FUCKING NUTS!
Lesbians can, and do, have kids and raise them.
Only out of desperation. The favorite joke at a lesbian
convention,"Yes, I suppose it would be more convenient
if one of us had a *****."[1]
"Gift givers" are part of the disturbing and frankly nauseating group
who want to get AIDS. I really don't get them at all.
Most Americans do really get "homosexuals" at all. Sexual
perversion is nauseating be it pedophilia OR homosexuality.
[1] yes you may use this as a tag line.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Dec 2003 10:26:24 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:09:48 GMT, a stranger
called by some Al Ongapo came forth and told this tale in alt.atheism
Every man has a right to marry but it must be to a woman. That what
the world's societies say (with a .001% variation) The United States
is not alone in it's conclusion. It stands on it's position along with
99.999% of the rest of the earth societies.
There are rioughly 190 nations on Earth. Four of them allow gay
marriage.
That's 2.1%, not .001% You're only of by a few thousand there..
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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16 Dec 2003 09:03:22 AM |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:23:26 GMT, Al Ongapo wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:23:21 GMT, "Adam Marczyk"
<ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FDCCDA6.3020000@hotmail.com...
The other Donald wrote:
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After Canada legalized ( but has not yet finalized) same-sex
marriage, there was no rush down the aisle to the altar. Out of
34,200 self-identified homosexual couples, only 1.4 percent obtained
marriage licenses. The editor of Fab, a popular gay magazine in
Toronto, explained, ''I'd be for marriage if I thought gay people
would challenge and change the institution and NOT BUY INTO the
traditional meaning of 'till death do us part' and MONOGAMY FOREVER.''
Gays already have the liberty to live their lives as they
choose, set up housekeeping, share income and expenses, make contracts
and wills, and transfer property. What they are now demanding is
respect and social standing for a lifestyle that a majority of others
believe is immoral (like mixed-gender cohabiting).
What they are now demanding is the very same right everybody else has.
It is a legal, secular right that is being discussed nothing more than
that.
That amounts to the minority forcing its views on the majority.
Nobody is entitled to respect for behavior of which we don't approve.
And the law would not require you to respect anyone, so there is no
problem.
Legalizing same-sex marriage would not merely permit a small
number of people to choose alternate lifestyles (they are already
doing that).
And the law has absolutely nothing to do with that.
It would force the rest of us to accept a public
judgment that "personal desire outweighs the value of traditional
marriage and outweighs the need of children for mothers and fathers."
Perhaps you would like to explain how it does any of those things?
What part of any proposed law would call for those things. How would
two males, for example, getting married do anything negative to the
needs of children? Instead of vague charges I would like to see
specific examples in the real world.
snip
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Bob" |
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16 Dec 2003 09:13:25 AM |
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wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:23:26 GMT, Al Ongapo wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:23:21 GMT, "Adam Marczyk"
<ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FDCCDA6.3020000@hotmail.com...
The other Donald wrote:
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After Canada legalized ( but has not yet finalized) same-sex
marriage, there was no rush down the aisle to the altar. Out of
34,200 self-identified homosexual couples, only 1.4 percent obtained
marriage licenses. The editor of Fab, a popular gay magazine in
Toronto, explained, ''I'd be for marriage if I thought gay people
would challenge and change the institution and NOT BUY INTO the
traditional meaning of 'till death do us part' and MONOGAMY FOREVER.''
Gays already have the liberty to live their lives as they
choose, set up housekeeping, share income and expenses, make contracts
and wills, and transfer property. What they are now demanding is
respect and social standing for a lifestyle that a majority of others
believe is immoral (like mixed-gender cohabiting).
What they are now demanding is the very same right everybody else has.
It is a legal, secular right that is being discussed nothing more than
that.
Wrong. Gays already have the same rights everybody else has. What they
are demanding is to destroy traditional cultural institutions and crate
special "rights" to government and commercial benefits without having to
earn them.
Blow your smoke all you like. It may fool some gullible fools.
That amounts to the minority forcing its views on the majority.
Nobody is entitled to respect for behavior of which we don't approve.
And the law would not require you to respect anyone, so there is no
problem.
Yes, no law will create respect for rump riding, so you might as well
give it up.
Legalizing same-sex marriage would not merely permit a small
number of people to choose alternate lifestyles (they are already
doing that).
And the law has absolutely nothing to do with that.
The gay demanded laws would require governments and companies to give
gays unearned benefits. It's greed and lust made law.
It would force the rest of us to accept a public
judgment that "personal desire outweighs the value of traditional
marriage and outweighs the need of children for mothers and fathers."
Perhaps you would like to explain how it does any of those things?
What part of any proposed law would call for those things. How would
two males, for example, getting married do anything negative to the
needs of children? Instead of vague charges I would like to see
specific examples in the real world.
That's the classic rhetorical question that gets answered a thousand
times but rump riders keep repeating "answer the question" when they
don't like the answer.
Bob
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Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Adam Marczyk" |
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16 Dec 2003 10:35:13 AM |
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Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FDF2115.8010306@hotmail.com...
tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:23:26 GMT, Al Ongapo wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:23:21 GMT, "Adam Marczyk"
<ebonmuse@deletethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FDCCDA6.3020000@hotmail.com...
The other Donald wrote:
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After Canada legalized ( but has not yet finalized) same-sex
marriage, there was no rush down the aisle to the altar. Out of
34,200 self-identified homosexual couples, only 1.4 percent obtained
marriage licenses. The editor of Fab, a popular gay magazine in
Toronto, explained, ''I'd be for marriage if I thought gay people
would challenge and change the institution and NOT BUY INTO the
traditional meaning of 'till death do us part' and MONOGAMY FOREVER.''
Gays already have the liberty to live their lives as they
choose, set up housekeeping, share income and expenses, make contracts
and wills, and transfer property. What they are now demanding is
respect and social standing for a lifestyle that a majority of others
believe is immoral (like mixed-gender cohabiting).
What they are now demanding is the very same right everybody else has.
It is a legal, secular right that is being discussed nothing more than
that.
Wrong. Gays already have the same rights everybody else has.
Except the right to marry, and the legal benefits that come along with it.
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16 Dec 2003 11:06:16 AM |
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Adam Marczyk wrote:
Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
What they are now demanding is the very same right everybody else has.
It is a legal, secular right that is being discussed nothing more than
that.
Wrong. Gays already have the same rights everybody else has.
Except the right to marry, and the legal benefits that come along with it.
LIE. You want to turn marriage into some kind of government giveaway
program and use it to get special benefits from the government.
You have chosen not to accept the responsibilities of family and child
raising that marriage means and supports. You greedy ***** lovers
want government benefits without the huge costs and responsibilities of
straight people.
Go pound sand.
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| User: "Brent Norman" |
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16 Dec 2003 11:11:17 PM |
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Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3FDF3B88.5090803@hotmail.com>...
Adam Marczyk wrote:
Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
What they are now demanding is the very same right everybody else has.
It is a legal, secular right that is being discussed nothing more than
that.
Wrong. Gays already have the same rights everybody else has.
Except the right to marry, and the legal benefits that come along with it.
LIE. You want to turn marriage into some kind of government giveaway
program and use it to get special benefits from the government.
You have chosen not to accept the responsibilities of family and child
raising that marriage means and supports. You greedy ***** lovers
want government benefits without the huge costs and responsibilities of
straight people.
Go pound sand.
Interestingly enough, here in Canada, people actually end up paying
*more* taxes as a result of being married!
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| User: "curtsybear" |
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16 Dec 2003 01:23:37 PM |
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In alt.politics.homosexuality Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
Adam Marczyk wrote:
Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Wrong. Gays already have the same rights everybody else has.
Except the right to marry, and the legal benefits that come along with it.
LIE. You want to turn marriage into some kind of government giveaway
program and use it to get special benefits from the government.
You must be talking about heterosexuals, since it is THEY who have
spent two hundred years inventing privleges and hiding them under the
"marriage" rock so that they wouldn't have to let anyone else into their
private little club. So sad that this is unconstitutional in a country
where each and every citizen is to be treated equally.
You have chosen not to accept the responsibilities of family and child
raising that marriage means and supports. You greedy ***** lovers
want government benefits without the huge costs and responsibilities of
straight people.
Also interesting that straight people want these very same things, more
often than not without the children which you think are a necessary part.
You wouldn't want to explain how the majority of households which
are married are NOT raising children and how many marriages which are
SUPPOSEDLY for the responsibility of raising children break apart in
spite of the children present? Of course you wouldn't, because it would
prove that you have no argument about marriage-equals-raising-children.
Go pound sand.
If I were to pound sand with my head long enough to melt it into glass,
perhaps I could degrade my capabilities to where ANY of your arguments
would seem to make sense.
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Curtis at Sieber dot Com
Gay men and straight men have been sharing dormitory, showers, health
clubs for a long time. We don't have ourselves dry cleaned.
-- Representative Barney Frank
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| User: "Society" |
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16 Dec 2003 05:08:35 PM |
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"curtsybear" <Curtis@Sieber.com> wrote in message
news:brnm3o$5eg7t$2@ID-75234.news.uni-berlin.de...
Bob kindly replied...
Adam Marczyk gurgled...
Bob noted for the record...
Wrong. Gays already have the same rights
everybody else has.
Except the right to marry,
Really? You mean Arianna Huffington's daughters by
Michael Huffington were born out of wedlock 'cause
Michael Huffington had no "right to marry"?
<giggle>
You are such a funny guy, Adam. And thanks for
showing Bob to be correct and you to be left
behind.
, and the legal benefits that come along with it.
LIE. You want to turn marriage into some kind of
government giveaway program and use it to get special
benefits from the government.
You must be talking about heterosexuals,
So you claim every woman is heterosexual?
Marriage historically and across cultures around the
world has been an institution by which a man's earnings
are subordinated to the support of a woman. Could it
be that homosexual men have been deprecated among
most cultures because they don't pay some woman's
way through life and aren't dependent on women for sex?
Something must account for homosexual women being
less of a target for hostility than homosexual men, right?
since it is THEY who have spent two hundred years
inventing privleges
Like the "privilege" to be exempt from conscription
into military service for the State because some woman
has a prior claim through marriage on that man's labor
to support her and her offspring? Or do you suppose
that not only are ALL women heterosexual but that
ONLY women are heterosexual, cutsiebear?
and hiding them under the "marriage" rock so that they
wouldn't have to let anyone else into their private little club.
"Private"??? Any pair consisting of a man and a woman
can join. The man has the privilege of paying for the
woman and the woman is oppressed (to hear feminists
tell it) by the burden of shopping and consuming the man's
income. Again, I point to the example of the Huffingtons. ;-)
So sad that this is unconstitutional in a country
where each and every citizen is to be treated equally.
Yeah. Women ought to be content with a 50-50 split
of the effort of supporting and protecting a household
instead of 20 for her and 80 for him.
--
Who benefits from marriage? Listen...
"Honey, wake up! I heard a noise downstairs."
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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16 Dec 2003 08:58:37 PM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:16 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
Except the right to marry, and the legal benefits that come along with it.
LIE. You want to turn marriage into some kind of government giveaway
program and use it to get special benefits from the government.
Bob, married perople get special benefits from the government now..
now matter how they are married or what their religious affiliation.
Married atheists who were married by an Elvis impersonator at a drive
up chapel in Las Vegas are exactly the same in the law's eyes as a
couple who are married in by a Bishop in a full wedding mass.
You have chosen not to accept the responsibilities of family and child
raising that marriage means and supports. You greedy ***** lovers
want government benefits without the huge costs and responsibilities of
straight people.
Bob, I'm going to say this again: There is no requirement to be
married to have kids, and no requirement that married people even be
capable of, or willing to, have kids.
None. At. All.
I've been married nearly 13 years. We could reach 50 years, and we
won''t have kids. Is my marriage legal?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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16 Dec 2003 09:19:29 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:dchvtvgsr11dhiuclqlkpm3okjhfbv9l1t@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:16 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
[snip]
Bob, I'm going to say this again: There is no requirement to be
married to have kids, and no requirement that married people even be
capable of, or willing to, have kids.
You're pissing into a fan, Douglas. Boob's little brain doesn't process
anything beyond penis-vagina. Oh, except for 'rump rider gay agenda.'
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| User: "Bob" |
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16 Dec 2003 09:20:35 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:16 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
Except the right to marry, and the legal benefits that come along with it.
LIE. You want to turn marriage into some kind of government giveaway
program and use it to get special benefits from the government.
Bob, married perople get special benefits from the government now..
now matter how they are married or what their religious affiliation.
Married atheists who were married by an Elvis impersonator at a drive
up chapel in Las Vegas are exactly the same in the law's eyes as a
couple who are married in by a Bishop in a full wedding mass.
A classic rump rider argument intended to destroy the meaning of marriage.
[Hint: Repeating it over and over and over won't make it true.]
You have chosen not to accept the responsibilities of family and child
raising that marriage means and supports. You greedy ***** lovers
want government benefits without the huge costs and responsibilities of
straight people.
Bob, I'm going to say this again: There is no requirement to be
married to have kids, and no requirement that married people even be
capable of, or willing to, have kids.
A classic rump rider argument intended to destroy the meaning of marriage.
[Hint: Repeating it over and over and over won't make it true.]
None. At. All.
[Hint: Repeating it over and over and over won't make it true.]
I've been married nearly 13 years. We could reach 50 years, and we
won''t have kids. Is my marriage legal?
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."
If you rip off the society, shame on you.
Bob
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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17 Dec 2003 10:55:27 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:20:35 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
Bob, married perople get special benefits from the government now..
now matter how they are married or what their religious affiliation.
Married atheists who were married by an Elvis impersonator at a drive
up chapel in Las Vegas are exactly the same in the law's eyes as a
couple who are married in by a Bishop in a full wedding mass.
A classic rump rider argument intended to destroy the meaning of marriage.
[Hint: Repeating it over and over and over won't make it true.]
Do you denty that federal marriage benefits are offered to all married
couples? YES or NO, bob. You are running now! Faced with a fact,
you start babbling, like most of your kind.
Bob, I'm going to say this again: There is no requirement to be
married to have kids, and no requirement that married people even be
capable of, or willing to, have kids.
A classic rump rider argument intended to destroy the meaning of marriage.
[Hint: Repeating it over and over and over won't make it true.]
Can you name a jurusdiction in the US that requires married couples to
have children? One? Or are you just babbling again?
None. At. All.
[Hint: Repeating it over and over and over won't make it true.]
It is true, and you are afraid of that. Coward.
I've been married nearly 13 years. We could reach 50 years, and we
won''t have kids. Is my marriage legal?
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."
I asked you a question Bob. Answer it, or admit you are wrong.
My wife and I do not have kids. We are not going to have kids. Under
the laws of the State of California and the United States of America,
is our marriage leagal? YES or NO.
If you rip off the society, shame on you.
Explain how we are "ripping off" society when you can show no legal
requirement that we have failed to fulfil? Show me in California
state law where we were obligated to raise kids as a condition of
marriage. Do, or shut up.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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17 Dec 2003 01:55:27 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:ab21uvg9aj1b2q651v33icrb21q447sde0@4ax.com...
Lo, many moons past, on Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:20:35 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism
[snip]
A classic rump rider argument intended to destroy the meaning of
marriage.
[Hint: Repeating it over and over and over won't make it true.]
True, Douglas, but repeatedly typing 'rump rider' makes Boob's little weewee
hard.
[snip]
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| User: "L D Blake" |
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16 Dec 2003 11:54:19 AM |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:16 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
You have chosen not to accept the responsibilities of family and child
raising that marriage means and supports.
Any idea how many gay people have children?
GEES!
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| User: "Bob" |
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16 Dec 2003 01:17:46 PM |
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L D Blake wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:16 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
You have chosen not to accept the responsibilities of family and child
raising that marriage means and supports.
Any idea how many gay people have children?
GEES!
Laura
None. Go back to mommy and ask about the birds and the bees. ;-)
Bob
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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16 Dec 2003 04:32:16 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Bob:
L D Blake wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:16 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
You have chosen not to accept the responsibilities of family and child
raising that marriage means and supports.
Any idea how many gay people have children?
GEES!
Laura
None. Go back to mommy and ask about the birds and the bees. ;-)
Idiot.
My old high school girlfriend, now lesbian, has three children from two
separate failed marriages. She now lives with her children and a
"partner", whom she calls "wife". They held a private ceremony on the
beach, said their vows to one another, and are married - not legally, of
course, and without the tax benefits, etc.
How does her situation threaten yours?
You are incapable of coherent thought, Bob. Your homophobia will not allow
you to consider all the possibilities. You've painted a little room with
all the scenes you'd like to see; there you live and think they are
reality. Do yourself a favor, get out and see the real world.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
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The fool says in his heart "there is no God".
The wise man says it to the world.
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