Religions > Atheism > Another anti-gay marriage bill passes by over 75% of the vote.
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12 Dec 2003 03:02:24 PM |
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Another anti-gay marriage bill passes by over 75% of the vote. |
Hey, I thought you faggots said that people were "accepting" you now.
What's this all about? I thought you faggots said that "ignorance to old
beliefs are making way". Come on faggots, explain this... I don't
understand. If people love faggots so much, why would over two-thirds vote
otherwise? Why is there currently 38 states with anti-gay marriage laws,
all properly voted for by the public? I am having troubles understanding
why the only way faggots can appear to be accepted is by finding a
sympathetic judge to scratch out laws for them. Can't you get the
"accepting" public to vote for them for you? Why isn't it that the faggots
aren't putting these issues on the ballets rather than taking it to
sympathetic judges and congress men?
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Ohio House passes anti-gay marriage bill
COLUMBUS -- Gay marriage would be banned and state employees could not
obtain health insurance and other benefits for unmarried partners under a
bill passed by the Ohio House on Wednesday.
The measure, approved by a 73-23 vote, would recognize marriage as a union
"between one man and one woman" and declare that extending benefits for
unmarried partners to state employees, whether of the same or opposite sex,
is against state policy.
Supporters of the measure point toward the possibility of other states
approving homosexual unions as the impetus for Ohio to set its own standards
for marriage.
The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court last month declared that state's
gay marriage ban unconstitutional and ordered lawmakers to extend the legal
benefits of marriage to domestic partners.
But opponents called the bill discrimination.
House minority leader Rep. Chris Redfern, D-Catawba Island, said committee
hearings on the bill were filled with "hate filled language and bigoted
comments" about homosexuals.
"I cannot allow myself to be aligned with that," he said. "I have respect
for my fellow members ... but I don't want them to be the morality police."
Redfern added that considering society's 50-percent divorce rate, it's hard
to argue that the issue is about upholding the sanctity of marriage.
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13 Dec 2003 06:48:58 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:15:10 GMT, (Jefferson
Brady) wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:09:17 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr. N wrote:
"Randy Jabsco" <RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:brehq4$c4u$0@pita.alt.net...
Then what is marriage all about?
It's a social (and the government has decided, legal) contract endowing each
participant in the marriage contract to certain rights and responsibilities
with regard to things financial, health-related, and contractual so long as
that contract perseveres.
Sidestep. What is marriage, including all those legal details, all about?
On a more fundamental level, marriage is about two (or some might argue,
more than two) people who love each other, are commiting each others' lives
to the other and combining among other things, households.
For why does society give a rat's *****?
Bob and his nasty little cohorts CLEARLY care very much -- willing to
sacrifice the promises of the founding documents to satisfy their own
choler -- over matters that are none of their business or concern.
What is this strange obsession you have with society bob? Do you feel
that people should only be allowed to do things that benefit the state
or society in general? Are you a socialist bob?
Your argument makes no sense bob.
Why won't you answer my two questions bob?
He is blinded by his xenophobia -- this particular sticky thread of
his malicious mind is particularly offensive to me!
I spent the last fifteen years of my nursing career on the bowery,
scraping the ***** off of the wretched bums and offering them loving
and scrupulous nursing care --
During this time i volunteered at a Gay health center where some of my
patients were the FIRST to plunge down the horror of aids - again
scrupulous nursing care for the despised and rejected.
HE seems to suggest that this activity, loving and healing the poor is
somehow evil. By this nasty stuff he reveals for all to see his
meagerness of mind and spirit.
ward
Someday you'll grow up and want to use that little wiener of yours for
something more than peeing. Maybe some ugly, ignorant, hateful woman (or
man) will take pity on you and show you what it's all about.
Mx. N Sidestepped the question and then started the straight-hate
ad-hominem attacks. That is so common. Pathetic.
Bob
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It is passing strange that during the nineteenth cemtury
our family was involved in the smugggling of property
into Canada where it was recognized as human beings --
Now, George and I, after a 48 year long engagement,
have made the same passage so that our humanity
might be recognized -- One must wonder how it is
that "The Land of the Free" is so sadly lagging behind?
Ward and George
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| User: "WILD BILL TAYLOR" |
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13 Dec 2003 08:09:03 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:48:58 GMT, Ward Stewart
<wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
HE seems to suggest that this activity, loving and healing the poor is
somehow evil. By this nasty stuff he reveals for all to see his
meagerness of mind and spirit.
YOU do have to admit though that the fact that you are a homosexual
and "the odds that you are fucking a 75 year old man in the ***** are
sky high", is sort of gross. It doesn't take a "meagerness of mind and
spirit." to conclude that that is "nasty stuff." Know What I Mean?
AIDS is bad stuff and can be pretty nasty to. And in case you are not
yet aware of the fact, Homosexual *****-fucking is still the number one
vector of AIDS in the US - JUST AS IT HAS BEEN FOR MORE THAN
TWO DECADES!
BTW - Does your dicked canadian bride (the 75 year old ***** *****)
object to your cruising of the public men's rooms on Waikiki Beach?
ward
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Dec 2003 06:13:29 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:09:03 GMT, WILD BILL TAYLOR posted in
alt.atheism:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:48:58 GMT, Ward Stewart
<wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
HE seems to suggest that this activity, loving and healing the poor is
somehow evil. By this nasty stuff he reveals for all to see his
meagerness of mind and spirit.
YOU do have to admit though that the fact that you are a homosexual
and "the odds that you are fucking a 75 year old man in the ***** are
sky high", is sort of gross.
About as gross as the idea that you have sex.
It doesn't take a "meagerness of mind and
spirit." to conclude that that is "nasty stuff." Know What I Mean?
AIDS is bad stuff
And the majority of new AIDS cases is heterosexual. Anal sex doesn't
cause HIV - a virus does.
And in case you are not
yet aware of the fact, Homosexual *****-fucking is still the number one
vector of AIDS in the US
Which makes it a drop in the bucket worldwide. The VAST majority of
new HIV cases - worldwide - is, and always has been, HETEROsexual sex,
mostly of the penile-vaginal variety.
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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14 Dec 2003 03:50:28 AM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:09:03 GMT, WILD BILL TAYLOR wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:48:58 GMT, Ward Stewart
<wstewart@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
HE seems to suggest that this activity, loving and healing the poor is
somehow evil. By this nasty stuff he reveals for all to see his
meagerness of mind and spirit.
YOU do have to admit though that the fact that you are a homosexual
and "the odds that you are fucking a 75 year old man in the ***** are
sky high", is sort of gross. It doesn't take a "meagerness of mind and
spirit." to conclude that that is "nasty stuff." Know What I Mean?
AIDS is bad stuff and can be pretty nasty to. And in case you are not
yet aware of the fact, Homosexual *****-fucking is still the number one
vector of AIDS in the US - JUST AS IT HAS BEEN FOR MORE THAN
TWO DECADES!
Aidsi is being spread by heterosexuals worldwide - JUST AS IT HAS BEEN
FOR MORE THAN THREE DECADES
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Dec 2003 06:22:21 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:50:28 +0700, Jos Flachs
<'wcruise'@ksc15.th.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Aidsi is being spread by heterosexuals worldwide - JUST AS IT HAS BEEN
FOR MORE THAN THREE DECADES
But homophobic bigots can't accept the truth, so they claim that, if
you ignore 98% of the world, HIV is a problem of homosexuality.
If you ignore 98% of the world, the human species lives at the
neolithic subsistence level. Which is about the level at which these
people think.
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"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
-A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
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| User: "Bob" |
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13 Dec 2003 07:32:26 PM |
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Ward Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:15:10 GMT, (Jefferson
Brady) wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:09:17 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mr. N wrote:
"Randy Jabsco" <RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:brehq4$c4u$0@pita.alt.net...
Then what is marriage all about?
It's a social (and the government has decided, legal) contract endowing each
participant in the marriage contract to certain rights and responsibilities
with regard to things financial, health-related, and contractual so long as
that contract perseveres.
Sidestep. What is marriage, including all those legal details, all about?
On a more fundamental level, marriage is about two (or some might argue,
more than two) people who love each other, are commiting each others' lives
to the other and combining among other things, households.
For why does society give a rat's *****?
Bob and his nasty little cohorts CLEARLY care very much -- willing to
sacrifice the promises of the founding documents to satisfy their own
choler -- over matters that are none of their business or concern.
LOL. The next generation of children are an important responsibility of
every respectable citizen and the society as a whole. Its a shame that
ward and his rump rider buddy george are so focused on their own sexual
perversions that they don't care about the society or the children.
What is this strange obsession you have with society bob? Do you feel
that people should only be allowed to do things that benefit the state
or society in general? Are you a socialist bob?
Your argument makes no sense bob.
Why won't you answer my two questions bob?
He is blinded by his xenophobia -- this particular sticky thread of
his malicious mind is particularly offensive to me!
LOL. You and your rump rider buddy george are offensive to
civilization, but don't let that stop you.
Bob
I spent the last fifteen years of my nursing career on the bowery,
scraping the ***** off of the wretched bums and offering them loving
and scrupulous nursing care --
During this time i volunteered at a Gay health center where some of my
patients were the FIRST to plunge down the horror of aids - again
scrupulous nursing care for the despised and rejected.
HE seems to suggest that this activity, loving and healing the poor is
somehow evil. By this nasty stuff he reveals for all to see his
meagerness of mind and spirit.
ward
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Dec 2003 06:09:44 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:32:26 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> posted
in alt.atheism:
LOL. The next generation of children are an important responsibility of
every respectable citizen and the society as a whole.
It also important that they be raised free of religious bigotry,
something of which you're not capable, so that's a good reason to
prevent you from having children.
Its a shame that
ward and his rump rider buddy george are so focused on their own sexual
perversions that they don't care about the society or the children.
So how many bums and AIDS victims have YOU cared for?
LOL. You and your rump rider buddy george are offensive to
civilization
Don't confuse yourself with civilization. You're the epitome of
uncivilized.
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"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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13 Dec 2003 10:49:10 AM |
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Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:16:08 -0800, a stranger
called by some "Randy Jabsco" <RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> came forth and
told this tale in alt.atheism
Then what is marriage all about?
Love, the desire to bind your life to another as a single unit.
People who are sterile, people who can't have sex due to injury, and
people who just don't want kids marry every single day. There isn't a
jurisdiction that requires fertility and the promise to have kids to
get a marriage license.
Randy, cancer left me sterile. I'm married. Should my wife and I be
forcibly separated?
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Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Ezekiel 13:20 "Wherefore thus saith the
Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows"
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Dec 2003 11:57:48 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:16:08 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:49:20 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Blacks and Whites can have a baby too. Faggots cannot.
Since marriage isn't about having babies, that's totally irrelevant.
Then what is marriage all about?
Two people getting certain economic and legal advantages that people
who aren't married don't get.
There's NO religious requirement for marriage.
There's NO reproductive requirement for marriage.
Two 90 year old people, sterile from birth, can be married by civil
authority, so any claims about religion or reproduction are
fallacious.
There shouldn't be any gender requirement for marriage - and there
won't be very soon.
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| User: "Jefferson Brady" |
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13 Dec 2003 06:33:19 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:16:08 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> wrote:
Then what is marriage all about?
It's about making a commitment to the person you love and enjoying the
benefits provided when that relationship is given legal status.
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:49:20 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Blacks and Whites can have a baby too. Faggots cannot.
Since marriage isn't about having babies, that's totally irrelevant.
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"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has
a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should
survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are for
the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
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| User: "Bob" |
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13 Dec 2003 09:22:47 AM |
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Jefferson Brady wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:16:08 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> wrote:
Then what is marriage all about?
It's about making a commitment to the person you love and enjoying the
benefits provided when that relationship is given legal status.
Twaddle.
What interest does any society have in giving benefits to such people?
Answer: Because marriage is the society's way of encouraging children
and families -- to continue itself by creating the next generation.
Bob
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Dec 2003 05:01:37 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:22:47 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> posted
in alt.atheism:
What interest does any society have in giving benefits to such people?
"Society" has no interest in giving tax breaks to anyone.
"Society" has no interest in giving anyone the right to make decisions
for anyone else.
"Society" has no interest in giving couples automatic rights of
survivorship.
Regardless of whether the couple is of the same gender or opposite
genders.
"Society", in short, has no business in marriage, except insofar as it
has business in ANY contract.
Answer: Because marriage is the society's way of encouraging children
and families
Which is why marriage doesn't require having children and having
children doesn't require marriage. Oops.
-- to continue itself by creating the next generation.
Living creatures were creating the next generation for 3.5 BILLION
YEARS before there was even a concept of marriage.
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"The doctrine that the earth is neither the center of the universe nor immovable, but
moves even with a daily rotation, is absurd, and both philosophically and theologically
false, and at the least an error of faith."
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| User: "Bob" |
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14 Dec 2003 06:33:32 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:22:47 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> posted
in alt.atheism:
What interest does any society have in giving benefits to such people?
"Society" has no interest in giving tax breaks to anyone.
"Society" has no interest in giving anyone the right to make decisions
for anyone else.
"Society" has no interest in giving couples automatic rights of
survivorship.
Regardless of whether the couple is of the same gender or opposite
genders.
"Society", in short, has no business in marriage, except insofar as it
has business in ANY contract.
Answer: Because marriage is the society's way of encouraging children
and families
Which is why marriage doesn't require having children and having
children doesn't require marriage. Oops.
-- to continue itself by creating the next generation.
Living creatures were creating the next generation for 3.5 BILLION
YEARS before there was even a concept of marriage.
People haven't. People have come very close to dying out at least once,
and probably several times. Several sub-species of our ancestors have
died out. The entire species is never more than one generation from
extinction.
Marriage customs and the encouragement of fertility saved our species
and is important function of society.
Bob
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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15 Dec 2003 11:06:00 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:33:32 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> posted
in alt.atheism:
Living creatures were creating the next generation for 3.5 BILLION
YEARS before there was even a concept of marriage.
People haven't.
People have been reproducing for 7 million years - without marriage
for most of it.
People have come very close to dying out at least once,
and probably several times.
But not from lack of reproduction, so the point is totally irrelevant.
Several sub-species of our ancestors have died out.
That's how evolution works. We'll become extinct too some day, and
there's nothing we can do about it.
The entire species is never more than one generation from extinction.
First pseudo-intelligent thing you've ever posted. It's completely
wrong, but it does sound intelligent.
Marriage customs and the encouragement of fertility saved our species
Citation?
Or do you need toilet tissue to wipe that assertion off?
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ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
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| User: "Dennis Kemmerer" |
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15 Dec 2003 11:12:42 PM |
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"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:33:32 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> posted
in alt.atheism:
[snip]
The entire species is never more than one generation from extinction.
First pseudo-intelligent thing you've ever posted. It's completely
wrong, but it does sound intelligent.
You weren't around when Boob said that same-sex marriage shouldn't be
allowed because 'the entire species is never more than one generation from
extinction.'
BTW, Al, dear, you're the only one still responding to this moron. :)
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Dec 2003 04:16:36 PM |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:12:42 -0800, "Dennis Kemmerer"
<dk@suespammers.org> posted in alt.atheism:
BTW, Al, dear, you're the only one still responding to this moron. :)
I'm on vacation until 1/5/04, so I have to do something for amusement.
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not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
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| User: "Jefferson Brady" |
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13 Dec 2003 09:40:52 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:22:47 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jefferson Brady wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:16:08 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> wrote:
Then what is marriage all about?
It's about making a commitment to the person you love and enjoying the
benefits provided when that relationship is given legal status.
Twaddle.
What interest does any society have in giving benefits to such people?
Good question but a better question is what interest does society have
in giving benefits to some people while denying them to others.
Answer: Because marriage is the society's way of encouraging children
and families -- to continue itself by creating the next generation.
Answer the question bob: Should infertile couples be denied the right
to marry?
Bob
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13 Dec 2003 09:02:12 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:22:47 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
What interest does any society have in giving benefits to such people?
Answer: Because marriage is the society's way of encouraging children
and families -- to continue itself by creating the next generation.
Sorry, wrong answer. A marriage is a contract. Nothing more, nothing
less. Children and family are not even mentioned.
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14 Dec 2003 01:03:10 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:22:47 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
What interest does any society have in giving benefits to such people?
Answer: Because marriage is the society's way of encouraging children
and families -- to continue itself by creating the next generation.
What about married couples who choose not to have children?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Dec 2003 05:05:13 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:03:10 GMT, "Peacenik"
<criskity999@com999cast.removeallnines.net> posted in alt.atheism:
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:22:47 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
What interest does any society have in giving benefits to such people?
Answer: Because marriage is the society's way of encouraging children
and families -- to continue itself by creating the next generation.
What about married couples who choose not to have children?
Boob's been asked that many times. He chooses to not address the fact
that this question totally destroys his position.
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"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid
consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and
ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who
works on the basis of reward and punishment. "
- Letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950; Einstein Archive 59-215
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| User: "Randy Jabsco" |
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13 Dec 2003 03:04:38 PM |
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So it isn't about this?
The Church's teaching is summarized in Canon 1013 of the 1917 Code of Canon
Law, which states that "the primary end of marriage is the procreation and
education of children." The intention of having children, provided that this
is possible, is consequently essential to the very substance of the
matrimonial contract, which is for "acts which are in themselves capable of
engendering children" (Cf. Canon 1081, 7577 Code of Canon Law).
"Jefferson Brady" <rightiswrong@home.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:16:08 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> wrote:
Then what is marriage all about?
It's about making a commitment to the person you love and enjoying the
benefits provided when that relationship is given legal status.
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:49:20 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Blacks and Whites can have a baby too. Faggots cannot.
Since marriage isn't about having babies, that's totally irrelevant.
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survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are
for
the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:04:38 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
So it isn't about this?
Repeat it 1,000 more times, and it STILL won't be.
But, with each repeat, you'll look a little more desperate and a
little more foolish. And a lot more uneducated.
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14 Dec 2003 02:03:15 AM |
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Take foot out of mouth before replying.
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:04:38 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
So it isn't about this?
Repeat it 1,000 more times, and it STILL won't be.
But, with each repeat, you'll look a little more desperate and a
little more foolish. And a lot more uneducated.
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conceived."
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14 Dec 2003 06:56:08 AM |
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"Randy Jabsco" <RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Take foot out of mouth before replying.
hahahaha
http://tinyurl.com/yx0u
so noted
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Dec 2003 01:26:40 PM |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:03:15 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:04:38 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
So it isn't about this?
Repeat it 1,000 more times, and it STILL won't be.
But, with each repeat, you'll look a little more desperate and a
little more foolish. And a lot more uneducated.
Take foot out of mouth before replying.
Now you post notes to yourself?
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ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he
had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
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13 Dec 2003 03:32:20 PM |
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Randy Jabsco wrote:
So it isn't about this?
The Church's teaching is summarized in Canon 1013 of the 1917 Code of Canon
Law, which states that "the primary end of marriage is the procreation and
education of children." The intention of having children, provided that this
is possible, is consequently essential to the very substance of the
matrimonial contract, which is for "acts which are in themselves capable of
engendering children" (Cf. Canon 1081, 7577 Code of Canon Law).
Exactly. And as such, the Church adopted and codified the age old human
institution of marriage. Most parts of human society have not bothered
to write down what everybody alrady knows.
Bob
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13 Dec 2003 09:02:24 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:32:20 -0700, Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote:
Exactly. And as such, the Church adopted and codified the age old human
institution of marriage. Most parts of human society have not bothered
to write down what everybody alrady knows.
Bob, feel free to discriminate to your heart's content in your bowling
club or church (is there a difference?). We are not talking about your
religious requirements here. We are discussing secular marriage.
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| User: "Randy Jabsco" |
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13 Dec 2003 03:04:38 PM |
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So it isn't about this?
The Church's teaching is summarized in Canon 1013 of the 1917 Code of Canon
Law, which states that "the primary end of marriage is the procreation and
education of children." The intention of having children, provided that this
is possible, is consequently essential to the very substance of the
matrimonial contract, which is for "acts which are in themselves capable of
engendering children" (Cf. Canon 1081, 7577 Code of Canon Law).
"Jefferson Brady" <rightiswrong@home.org> wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:16:08 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> wrote:
Then what is marriage all about?
It's about making a commitment to the person you love and enjoying the
benefits provided when that relationship is given legal status.
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:skaltvo6nb85ofpga21kftkah6e1i8gpbl@Pern.rk...
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:49:20 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Blacks and Whites can have a baby too. Faggots cannot.
Since marriage isn't about having babies, that's totally irrelevant.
--
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or
has
a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should
survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are
for
the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
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13 Dec 2003 03:04:38 PM |
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So it isn't about this?
The Church's teaching is summarized in Canon 1013 of the 1917 Code of Canon
Law, which states that "the primary end of marriage is the procreation and
education of children." The intention of having children, provided that this
is possible, is consequently essential to the very substance of the
matrimonial contract, which is for "acts which are in themselves capable of
engendering children" (Cf. Canon 1081, 7577 Code of Canon Law).
"Jefferson Brady" <rightiswrong@home.org> wrote in message
news:3fe206ec.61047328@news.west.earthlink.net...
On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:16:08 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> wrote:
Then what is marriage all about?
It's about making a commitment to the person you love and enjoying the
benefits provided when that relationship is given legal status.
"Al Klein" <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:skaltvo6nb85ofpga21kftkah6e1i8gpbl@Pern.rk...
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:49:20 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Blacks and Whites can have a baby too. Faggots cannot.
Since marriage isn't about having babies, that's totally irrelevant.
--
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or
has
a will of the
type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should
survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension,...; such notions are
for
the fears or
absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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14 Dec 2003 12:02:09 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:04:38 -0800, "Randy Jabsco"
<RandyJabsco@yahoo.com> posted in alt.atheism:
So it isn't about this?
The Church's teaching
Since there's no religious requirement for marriage, the Church's
teaching is irrelevant to those who aren't members of that Church, and
to the law, which is prohibited to recognize the requirements of the
Church.
is summarized in Canon 1013 of the 1917 Code of Canon
Law, which states that "the primary end of marriage is the procreation and
education of children."
That's fine - for those who CHOOSE to follow the dictates of the
Christian religion. Since this nation's government is PROHIBITED to
recognize religious requirements, what the Church says has nothing to
do with marriage outside of the Church.
The intention of having children, provided that this
is possible, is consequently essential to the very substance of the
matrimonial contract, which is for "acts which are in themselves capable of
engendering children" (Cf. Canon 1081, 7577 Code of Canon Law).
ONLY within the confines of the Church. Those not choosing to be
members of that Church CAN'T legally be bound by its beliefs. The
Church CAN NOT dictate law, only requirements for its members.
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- Isaac Asimov
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