Lo, many moons past, on Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:16:26 -0700, a stranger
called by some Bob <boby23456@hotmail.com> came forth and told this
tale in alt.atheism

Mr. N wrote:

-why people who marry are not required to produce children
-why people who cannot produce children are permitted to marry

They must teach those two stupid rhetorical questions in rump rider
school. All they do is repeat the same stupid rhetorical questions over
and over and over. All the rump riders do the same.

Yet you haven't answered them yet. Even a little. I've asked a dozen
times. You ignore each post.

Bob wrote:

Dennis Smeth wrote:

Randy Jabsco wrote:

That's appears to be the *****/fag agenda. If you can't change the laws,
you change the definition. It appears that is where the fight is heading.
It is no longer about reproduction as in the past, but now we have an all
new 21st century enlightened definition!!!

More like an all new 19th century definition. It has only been in the
last one hundred years that marriage has been even remotely thought
of as between on man and one woman.

SAME SEX MARRIAGE

David married Jonathan and Jesus is the lineage of David. Jesus
was shown as the best man at the same sex marriage of St. Serge to
St. Baachus. Jesus said a hermaphrodite could marry if they could
do so for life, and God makes hermaphrodites that can only marry
the same sex or be attracted to the same sex, because they have
both sexes. Marriage has always been between any two or more people
as property or for love.

The church had a "Office of Same Sex Union" (10th and 11th century)
and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).
Byzantine Emperor Basil I (867-886) married his companion John.
Such homosexual unions also took place in Ireland in the late
12th/early 13th century, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales
(Geraldus Cambrensis) has recorded.

Legal references to marriages of two males occur as early as the
4th, 5th, and 6th centuries. Montaigne saw it performed in Rome
in his lifetime. Venetian ambassadors to Rome in the 17th and 18th
centuries wrote of the same sex marriage practice. The heterosexual
marriage (as thought of today) derives principally from Roman
secular customs. It originally consisted of the ceremony at which
the husband took over the possession of the wife from her father,
because women and children were property of the father and the
girls were transferred as property to the husband. In 1215,
heterosexual marriage was officially declared a sacrament by the
Roman Catholic Church, and consent was recognized as a necessary
component of the union.

In contrast, the same-sex marriage service was from the beginning
performed in a church (not outside the church or at home as
heterosexual marriages as a property transfer contract),

You really don't comprehend the concept do you. Marriage, as an
institution, commonly deals with the support of the children, hence the
inclusion of property in marriage law. See the Pre-Christian Brehan Law
for more reading on the topic. Marriage is about families, children,
and their support by the parents and the society.

The religious right used to say the same thing, until they
ran into the what do you do about old people problem too many times.

Now they say marriage has nothing to do with reproduction,
except when it does, so that proves gays can't be married.

Destroying the basic concept of marriage is the only way that rump
riders can claim to participate. Since straight-hate is so prevalent,
and so many rump riders are jealous of straights who have children and
families, many want to see an end to societal institutions that they
have chosen not to participate in.

Right, they want to simultaneously destroy marriage and become married.

and was
always thought of as a sacrament. It always involved consent,
because men were equal and not property, and the same-sex service
pre-dates as a religious service any heterosexual one.

At St John Lateran in Rome (traditionally the Pope's parish
Church) in 1578 as many as 13 couples were "married" at
Mass by the local clergy, "taking Communion together, using the
same nuptial Scripture, after which they slept and ate together",
as reported by a contemporary report.

Since the time of the same sex marriage with Jesus as the best man
of St. Serge to St. Bacchus and their subsequent martyrdom, it
became the archetype for the same-sex marriage, the prayers say
things like "... united like Serge and Bacchus." To say that
marriage has always been between one man to one woman flies in the
face of legal and liturgical documents that date back before
2000 years ago.

So the Catholic Church has had gay priests since they started
discouraging marriage by priests to keep their children from inherriting
their wealth. They still have. It's irrelevant to the topic.

The "one" part is mostly added by recent western religions. Many
religions allow more than one wife.

Bob

Boob wrote:

Destroying the basic concept of marriage is the only way that rump
riders can claim to participate. Since straight-hate is so prevalent,
and so many rump riders are jealous of straights who have children and
families, many want to see an end to societal institutions that they
have chosen not to participate in.

Right, they want to simultaneously destroy marriage and become married.

Bob wrote:

Dennis Smeth wrote:

In contrast, the same-sex marriage service was from the beginning
performed in a church (not outside the church or at home as
heterosexual marriages as a property transfer contract),

You really don't comprehend the concept do you. Marriage, as an
institution, commonly deals with the support of the children, hence the
inclusion of property in marriage law. See the Pre-Christian Brehan Law
for more reading on the topic. Marriage is about families, children,
and their support by the parents and the society.

Marriage as you define it one man one woman is a myth to start with,
and this glorified halo you have placed around it is a light of your
making. Marriage was nothing more than the title to a new car,
a proof of ownership because "women" and children were property

Women and children were property

Exodus 22:
16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with
her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
17 If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay
money according to the dowry of virgins.

Deu 22:
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed,
and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's
father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he
hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
30 A man shall not take his father's wife, nor discover his father's
skirt.

Exodus 21:
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not
go out as the menservants do.

Destroying the basic concept of marriage is the only way that rump
riders can claim to participate.

The ones who have destroyed the long history of marriage as between
anyone are you bigots and the lying Popes, during the Spanish inquisition
periods.

Since straight-hate is so prevalent,
and so many rump riders are jealous of straights who have children and
families, many want to see an end to societal institutions that they
have chosen not to participate in.

If anything heterosexuality is a perverted lifestyle choice, it is they
who have a 50 percent divorce rate, and are the ones who abuse
children to the tune of 97 percent, by the family and friends of the
family. (The rest are unknown heterosexuals.)

and was
always thought of as a sacrament. It always involved consent,
because men were equal and not property, and the same-sex service
pre-dates as a religious service any heterosexual one.

At St John Lateran in Rome (traditionally the Pope's parish
Church) in 1578 as many as 13 couples were "married" at
Mass by the local clergy, "taking Communion together, using the
same nuptial Scripture, after which they slept and ate together",
as reported by a contemporary report.

Since the time of the same sex marriage with Jesus as the best man
of St. Serge to St. Bacchus and their subsequent martyrdom, it
became the archetype for the same-sex marriage, the prayers say
things like "... united like Serge and Bacchus." To say that
marriage has always been between one man to one woman flies in the
face of legal and liturgical documents that date back before
2000 years ago.

So the Catholic Church has had gay priests since they started
discouraging marriage by priests to keep their children from inherriting
their wealth. They still have. It's irrelevant to the topic.

Care to prove that, never mind you are incapable.

The "one" part is mostly added by recent western religions. Many
religions allow more than one wife.

And God makes hermaphrodites with both sexes anyone they have
sex with will be the same sex, and you are calling God's creations
abominations. Got Asbestos?

If anything heterosexuality is a perverted lifestyle choice, it is they
who have a 50 percent divorce rate, and are the ones who abuse
children to the tune of 97 percent, by the family and friends of the
family.

I'm surprised you believed his nonsense enough to even merit a response. No
source, nothing. Just fairy tales about how Jesus allowed gay marriages. A
Jew, who knew the Levitical law quite well.

I'm surprised you believed his nonsense enough to even merit a response. No
source, nothing. Just fairy tales about how Jesus allowed gay marriages. A
Jew, who knew the Levitical law quite well. Okay, fairy tales... whatever.

"Bob" <boby23456@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3FDB4808.1040706@hotmail.com...

Dennis Smeth wrote:

Randy Jabsco wrote:

That's appears to be the *****/fag agenda. If you can't change the

laws,

you change the definition. It appears that is where the fight is

heading.

It is no longer about reproduction as in the past, but now we have an

all

new 21st century enlightened definition!!!

More like an all new 19th century definition. It has only been in the
last one hundred years that marriage has been even remotely thought
of as between on man and one woman.

SAME SEX MARRIAGE

David married Jonathan and Jesus is the lineage of David. Jesus
was shown as the best man at the same sex marriage of St. Serge to
St. Baachus. Jesus said a hermaphrodite could marry if they could
do so for life, and God makes hermaphrodites that can only marry
the same sex or be attracted to the same sex, because they have
both sexes. Marriage has always been between any two or more people
as property or for love.

The church had a "Office of Same Sex Union" (10th and 11th century)
and the "Order for Uniting Two Men" (11th and 12th century).
Byzantine Emperor Basil I (867-886) married his companion John.
Such homosexual unions also took place in Ireland in the late
12th/early 13th century, as the chronicler Gerald of Wales
(Geraldus Cambrensis) has recorded.

Legal references to marriages of two males occur as early as the
4th, 5th, and 6th centuries. Montaigne saw it performed in Rome
in his lifetime. Venetian ambassadors to Rome in the 17th and 18th
centuries wrote of the same sex marriage practice. The heterosexual
marriage (as thought of today) derives principally from Roman
secular customs. It originally consisted of the ceremony at which
the husband took over the possession of the wife from her father,
because women and children were property of the father and the
girls were transferred as property to the husband. In 1215,
heterosexual marriage was officially declared a sacrament by the
Roman Catholic Church, and consent was recognized as a necessary
component of the union.

In contrast, the same-sex marriage service was from the beginning
performed in a church (not outside the church or at home as
heterosexual marriages as a property transfer contract),

You really don't comprehend the concept do you. Marriage, as an
institution, commonly deals with the support of the children, hence the
inclusion of property in marriage law. See the Pre-Christian Brehan Law
for more reading on the topic. Marriage is about families, children,
and their support by the parents and the society.

Destroying the basic concept of marriage is the only way that rump
riders can claim to participate. Since straight-hate is so prevalent,
and so many rump riders are jealous of straights who have children and
families, many want to see an end to societal institutions that they
have chosen not to participate in.

and was
always thought of as a sacrament. It always involved consent,
because men were equal and not property, and the same-sex service
pre-dates as a religious service any heterosexual one.

At St John Lateran in Rome (traditionally the Pope's parish
Church) in 1578 as many as 13 couples were "married" at
Mass by the local clergy, "taking Communion together, using the
same nuptial Scripture, after which they slept and ate together",
as reported by a contemporary report.

Since the time of the same sex marriage with Jesus as the best man
of St. Serge to St. Bacchus and their subsequent martyrdom, it
became the archetype for the same-sex marriage, the prayers say
things like "... united like Serge and Bacchus." To say that
marriage has always been between one man to one woman flies in the
face of legal and liturgical documents that date back before
2000 years ago.

So the Catholic Church has had gay priests since they started
discouraging marriage by priests to keep their children from inherriting
their wealth. They still have. It's irrelevant to the topic.

The "one" part is mostly added by recent western religions. Many
religions allow more than one wife.

Bob

I'm surprised you believed his nonsense enough to even merit a response. No
source, nothing. Just fairy tales about how Jesus allowed gay marriages. A
Jew, who knew the Levitical law quite well. Okay, fairy tales... whatever.