Religions > Atheism > Another article proving the US 666 fiasco was religiously motivated
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"Harry Sachz" |
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24 Aug 2003 02:13:23 PM |
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Another article proving the US 666 fiasco was religiously motivated |
http://www.abqjournal.com/quirky/67534news07-31-03.htm
"The devil's out of here," said Transportation Secretary Rhonda Faught,
"and we say goodbye and good riddance."
That is a government official making a statement establishing a certain
religion. Unconstitutional!
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All I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace the racist
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| User: "Gammon" |
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24 Aug 2003 11:58:11 PM |
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"Harry Sachz" <watuziNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bib2qu$7bcd3$1@ID-138129.news.uni-berlin.de...
http://www.abqjournal.com/quirky/67534news07-31-03.htm
"The devil's out of here," said Transportation Secretary Rhonda Faught,
"and we say goodbye and good riddance."
That is a government official making a statement establishing a certain
religion. Unconstitutional!
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All I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace the racist
I just think it's lovely how the government, faced with an apparently
dangerous roadway chooses to spend thousands of dollars addressing the
problem by changing the fucking name. *sigh*
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| User: "Dave Sturm" |
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| Title: Re: Another article proving the US 666 fiasco was religiously motivated |
25 Aug 2003 12:51:35 PM |
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"Gammon" <gammonb2@charter.net> wrote in message news:<vkj5qo6evlnn47@corp.supernews.com>...
I just think it's lovely how the government, faced with an apparently
dangerous roadway chooses to spend thousands of dollars addressing the
problem by changing the fucking name. *sigh*
What "the government" are you talking about?
There were no federal tax dollars expended on any of this -- are you
that uneducated about roads and highways?
This was a joint move by the state DOTs of Utah, Colorado, and the
initiating state -- New Mexico. The AAHSTO that approved the change
is a *non-federal* *state-association* of the DOTs of the states, DC
and territories. It is NOT the FHWA. So if you want to bark up a
(sequoia) tree, bark up the right one. If you're a New Mexico
resident, Coloradoan, or Utahn, then perhaps you have a gripe... which
you can take up with your participating state DOT.
If you want to talk about safety issues, regular theft of US 666
signage (at the pre 491 announcement rates) was enough to make it
difficult to keep any stable reassurance signage and directional
signage in place.
That was part of Arizona's rationale for changing US 666 to US 191
many many years ago... perhaps you should also ***** at Arizonans too,
then.
491 is a more logical number for route continuity -- further travel
reassurance. Of course, a southern extension along NM 602, NM 53 and
AZ 61 back over to US 191 would really nail the "191 alternate"
routing.
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| User: "Kevin Flynn" |
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| Title: Re: Another article proving the US 666 fiasco was religiously motivated |
24 Aug 2003 08:33:47 PM |
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"Harry Sachz" <watuziNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bib2qu$7bcd3$1@ID-138129.news.uni-berlin.de>...
http://www.abqjournal.com/quirky/67534news07-31-03.htm
"The devil's out of here," said Transportation Secretary Rhonda Faught,
"and we say goodbye and good riddance."
That is a government official making a statement establishing a certain
religion. Unconstitutional!
And the fact that not a single constitutional scholar would agree with
you fails to deter you yet again? Give it up, kid. It's not
unconstitutional, it's a road renumbering to assist the campaign for
grossly needed improvements, as the story you cited again points out
but which goes over your youthful and not so bright head. Note also
from the story:
"Navajo culture holds many superstitions, *but fearing the number
666 is not among them.* (my emphasis for Jermy's benefit) Most Navajos
feared the roadway not for its name but for its nature— narrow, hilly
and a magnet for drunks— and for the death and heartache it has
caused.
"Jerry Hinaatsos, who has been driving U.S. 666 for 35 years, won't
venture onto the highway at night and he tries to stay off it on
Fridays and Saturdays, when traffic gets heavy, people start drinking
and drivers are in a hurry.
"As for what it's called?
"'It's just a number," Hinaatsos said. "I really don't care.'"
Must suck, to be disproven by your own cite!
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| User: "I am NOT Gene Wood!" |
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| Title: Re: Another article proving the US 666 fiasco was religiously motivated |
25 Aug 2003 06:33:01 PM |
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"Stormy Sacks" <timetobomsaddam@yahoo.com> spewed in message
news:<bib2qu$7bcd3$1@ID-138129.news.uni-berlin.de>...
http://www.abqurinal.com/turkeyjerky/67534news07-31-03.htm
"The devil's out of here," said Transportation Secretary Rhonda Fart,
"and we say goodbye and good riddance."
That is a government official making a statement establishing a certain
religion. Unconstitutional!
<Mr. Rogers> Can you say "extreme paranoia"? ...Very good! </MR>
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| User: "towelie" |
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25 Aug 2003 07:06:43 PM |
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I am Chris Bessert! wrote:
"Stormy Sacks" <timetobomsaddam@yahoo.com> spewed in message
news:<bib2qu$7bcd3$1@ID-138129.news.uni-berlin.de>...
http://www.abqurinal.com/turkeyjerky/67534news07-31-03.htm
"The devil's out of here," said Transportation Secretary Rhonda
Fart, "and we say goodbye and good riddance."
That is a government official making a statement establishing a
certain religion. Unconstitutional!
<Mr. Rogers> Can you say "extreme paranoia"? ...Very good! </MR>
Can you say "First Amendment violation"? I doubt you can even comprehend
what that is.
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| User: "Rich Piehl" |
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| Title: Re: Another article proving the US 666 fiasco was religiously motivated |
24 Aug 2003 09:25:48 PM |
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Harry Sachz wrote:
http://www.abqjournal.com/quirky/67534news07-31-03.htm
"The devil's out of here," said Transportation Secretary Rhonda Faught,
"and we say goodbye and good riddance."
That is a government official making a statement establishing a certain
religion. Unconstitutional!
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All I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace the racist
The horse has been dead so long it's nothing but a skeleton. And you
just keep whipping on those bones like it will make a difference.
Take care,
Rich
God bless the USA
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"Life is a crapshoot, Rocky. And if I'm going to roll snake eyes I'd rather do it on a jammed up garbage disposal than the fast lane of the Hollywood Freeway!"
-Jim Rockford
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| User: "Harry Sachz" |
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24 Aug 2003 10:21:33 PM |
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Rich Piehl wrote:
The horse has been dead so long it's nothing but a skeleton. And you
just keep whipping on those bones like it will make a difference.
If nobody beats the horse, then the horse grows into a theocracy.
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All I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace the racist
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Another article proving the US 666 fiasco was religiously motivated |
25 Aug 2003 10:09:15 PM |
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:34:31 -0500, Rich Piehl
<rpiehl5REMOVETHISFORNOSPAM@charter.net> posted in alt.atheism:
Theocracy??? The only thing it can turn into is a theocracy???? What????
If anything the trend in this country has been a massive turn away from
anything resembling a theocracy!!!
Then you haven't been paying attention to current events for the last
3 years or so?
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"Damn. Looks like all of usenet agrees that you don't have the logical
faculties to prove the statement 'dogshit is not peanut butter' if we
gave you a jar of each and a box of crackers" - John Hattan to Tichy
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Harry Sachz" |
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| Title: Re: Another article proving the US 666 fiasco was religiously motivated |
25 Aug 2003 07:53:21 PM |
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Rich Piehl wrote:
Theocracy??? The only thing it can turn into is a theocracy????
What????
If anything the trend in this country has been a massive turn away
from anything resembling a theocracy!!!
I guess you haven't been paying attention to the Dumbya regime.
Well here's another way to spin the comments of Sec'y Faught. Was
leaving that highway as US 666 support for religions that pledge to
satanism? That would be just as much against the constitution. Instead
it's only the religious aspect of Christianity that should be removed
from the government? Non-Christian ones can stay? You'll even defend
their being there? Can you say "double standard?"
Finally somebody makes a point that makes a bit of sense and hasn't been
mentioned before. But it's just a number, and should have been left alone.
I don't see anybody renaming any Route 7's, for example, and I wouldn't
advocate it.
Would it hurt you to at least consider the possibility that the
highway was renumbered for the non-Christian reasons that have been
stated.
Not when they explicitly said that it was renumbered to "get rid of satan".
All I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace the racist
I've been trying to figure out what this sign off means for a while
now. Since the grammer in it is so bad it's hard to tell for certain.
It's from a Tupac song. I guess most MTR regulars don't listen to "*****
music", they're too busy enjoying the edgy sounds of Pat Boone.
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All I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace the racist
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| User: "US 71" |
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26 Aug 2003 12:30:47 AM |
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"Harry Sachz" <watuziNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bieb20$8f2ev$1@ID-138129.news.uni-berlin.de...
I guess you haven't been paying attention to the Dumbya regime.
It's from a Tupac song. I guess most MTR regulars don't listen to "*****
music", they're too busy enjoying the edgy sounds of Pat Boone.
Can't honestly say I listen to "***** music" as you call it. I much prefer
Spyro Gyra ;)
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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26 Aug 2003 12:41:44 AM |
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It's from a Tupac song. I guess most MTR regulars don't listen to "*****
music", they're too busy enjoying the edgy sounds of Pat Boone.
Can't honestly say I listen to "***** music" as you call it. I much prefer
Spyro Gyra ;)
You realize that we now have to kill you. We've been trying for twenty-five
years to kick them out of town but they won't leave! They singlehandedly
destroyed the best jazz club in Buffalo with their dren. Bleagh!
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Ill-Legal Dept. "Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here"
"My country, right or wrong; to be defended when right and righted when wrong."
- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "towelie" |
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26 Aug 2003 12:45:14 AM |
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US 71 wrote:
"Harry Sachz" <watuziNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bieb20$8f2ev$1@ID-138129.news.uni-berlin.de...
I guess you haven't been paying attention to the Dumbya regime.
It's from a Tupac song. I guess most MTR regulars don't listen to
"***** music", they're too busy enjoying the edgy sounds of Pat
Boone.
Can't honestly say I listen to "***** music" as you call it. I much
prefer Spyro Gyra ;)
I was being sarcastic when I dropped the N-bomb. As long as the music is
good, it doesn't matter who writes it.
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apatriot #19
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| User: "Rich Piehl" |
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25 Aug 2003 08:38:32 PM |
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Harry Sachz wrote:
Rich Piehl wrote:
Theocracy??? The only thing it can turn into is a theocracy????
What????
If anything the trend in this country has been a massive turn away
from anything resembling a theocracy!!!
I guess you haven't been paying attention to the Dumbya regime.
Wrong assumption. I guess you want so bad for your opinion to be the
right one that you won't consider other perspectives. As you get older
you learn that there are more ways to look at issues than 'my way' and
'everyobdy else's way.'
Well here's another way to spin the comments of Sec'y Faught. Was
leaving that highway as US 666 support for religions that pledge to
satanism? That would be just as much against the constitution. Instead
it's only the religious aspect of Christianity that should be removed
from the government? Non-Christian ones can stay? You'll even defend
their being there? Can you say "double standard?"
Finally somebody makes a point that makes a bit of sense and hasn't been
mentioned before. But it's just a number, and should have been left alone.
I don't see anybody renaming any Route 7's, for example, and I wouldn't
advocate it.
Would it hurt you to at least consider the possibility that the
highway was renumbered for the non-Christian reasons that have been
stated.
Not when they explicitly said that it was renumbered to "get rid of satan".
Some have said that. Some have given other reasons. You dismiss the
other reasons in order to try to give creedence to your "argument" that
the whole thing is some fundamentalist movement. By doing so your
argument doesn't hold water because you only acknowledge some of the
information.
Lack of information leads to prejudice, bigotry and racism. Congrats.
Once again someone in this newsgroup has proven my college politcal
science professor right. His contention was that the political spectrum
was not linear, but rather circular.
Because you refuse to acknowledge some of the information you are, in
essence, prejudice. Prejudice is the kissing cousin of bigotry and
hatred. You must be so far left that you have now connected with the
bigots and racists of the far right. So you are now what you decry.
All I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace the racist
I've been trying to figure out what this sign off means for a while
now. Since the grammer in it is so bad it's hard to tell for certain.
It's from a Tupac song. I guess most MTR regulars don't listen to "*****
music", they're too busy enjoying the edgy sounds of Pat Boone.
Actually Pat Boone is too "heavy metal" for me. My musical tastes are
more in tune with dropping paper clips on the floor one at a time.
Once again you show your prejudice. Just because someone doesn't share
your musical tastes they are immediately demeaned.
Go lay down, bigot. Your arguments and your opinions are as smelly as
they come.
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All I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace the racist
P.S. Just because some rapper recorded it and made money on it doesn't
mean bad grammer doesn't make it right. Lots of people make money doing
things that aren't acceptable, are often illegal. They definitely aren't
right.
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"Life is a crapshoot, Rocky. And if I'm going to roll snake eyes I'd rather do it on a jammed up garbage disposal than the fast lane of the Hollywood Freeway!"
-Jim Rockford
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| User: "towelie" |
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26 Aug 2003 12:14:16 AM |
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Rich Piehl wrote:
I guess you haven't been paying attention to the Dumbya regime.
Wrong assumption. I guess you want so bad for your opinion to be the
right one that you won't consider other perspectives. As you get older
you learn that there are more ways to look at issues than 'my way' and
'everyobdy else's way.'
Wrong.
Well here's another way to spin the comments of Sec'y Faught. Was
Not when they explicitly said that it was renumbered to "get rid of
satan".
Some have said that. Some have given other reasons. You dismiss the
other reasons in order to try to give creedence to your "argument"
that
the whole thing is some fundamentalist movement. By doing so your
argument doesn't hold water because you only acknowledge some of the
information.
I have no problem with the upgrades to the highway. Just the
religiously-motivated renumbering.
There are no good arguments to renumber the road, other than sign theft. and
NMDOT has proven that this is not the reason they asked for the renumbering
by leaving NM 420 on the books.
Is there a NM 69?
Lack of information leads to prejudice, bigotry and racism. Congrats.
Once again someone in this newsgroup has proven my college politcal
science professor right. His contention was that the political
spectrum
was not linear, but rather circular.
I don't see how this has anything to do with the subject on hand.
Because you refuse to acknowledge some of the information you are, in
essence, prejudice. Prejudice is the kissing cousin of bigotry and
hatred. You must be so far left that you have now connected with the
bigots and racists of the far right. So you are now what you decry.
Wrong again.
It's from a Tupac song. I guess most MTR regulars don't listen to
"***** music", they're too busy enjoying the edgy sounds of Pat
Boone.
Actually Pat Boone is too "heavy metal" for me. My musical tastes are
more in tune with dropping paper clips on the floor one at a time.
Once again you show your prejudice. Just because someone doesn't share
your musical tastes they are immediately demeaned.
Wrong again. I don't give a rat's ***** about what anybody listens to, as
long as they don't force me to listen to music I don't like.
Go lay down, bigot. Your arguments and your opinions are as smelly as
they come.
Yeah, I'm a bigot. If I really were, you bible thumpers would love me.
P.S. Just because some rapper recorded it and made money on it doesn't
mean bad grammer doesn't make it right. Lots of people make money
doing things that aren't acceptable, are often illegal. They
definitely aren't right.
It's illegal to write songs with improper grammar? Maybe in your (and
Dumbya's) world.
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aa #2133
apatriot #19
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| User: "Rich Piehl" |
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| Title: Re: Another article proving the US 666 fiasco was religiously motivated |
26 Aug 2003 10:56:14 AM |
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towelie wrote:
Rich Piehl wrote:
I guess you haven't been paying attention to the Dumbya regime.
Wrong assumption. I guess you want so bad for your opinion to be the
right one that you won't consider other perspectives. As you get older
you learn that there are more ways to look at issues than 'my way' and
'everyobdy else's way.'
Wrong.
Me thinks you doth protest too much.
Well here's another way to spin the comments of Sec'y Faught. Was
Not when they explicitly said that it was renumbered to "get rid of
satan".
Some have said that. Some have given other reasons. You dismiss the
other reasons in order to try to give creedence to your "argument"
that
the whole thing is some fundamentalist movement. By doing so your
argument doesn't hold water because you only acknowledge some of the
information.
I have no problem with the upgrades to the highway. Just the
religiously-motivated renumbering.
There are no good arguments to renumber the road, other than sign theft. and
NMDOT has proven that this is not the reason they asked for the renumbering
by leaving NM 420 on the books.
Is there a NM 69?
Highways get renumbered all the time. You just choose to be upset by
this one because you feel there is theological agenda behind it. Whether
there is or not, doesn't matter to you because that won't support your
outrage.
Lack of information leads to prejudice, bigotry and racism. Congrats.
Once again someone in this newsgroup has proven my college politcal
science professor right. His contention was that the political
spectrum
was not linear, but rather circular.
I don't see how this has anything to do with the subject on hand.
That's because you've prejudged the situation. Hitler saw no problem
with his point of view, either.
Because you refuse to acknowledge some of the information you are, in
essence, prejudice. Prejudice is the kissing cousin of bigotry and
hatred. You must be so far left that you have now connected with the
bigots and racists of the far right. So you are now what you decry.
Wrong again.
Again, me thinks he doth protest too much.
It's from a Tupac song. I guess most MTR regulars don't listen to
"***** music", they're too busy enjoying the edgy sounds of Pat
Boone.
Actually Pat Boone is too "heavy metal" for me. My musical tastes are
more in tune with dropping paper clips on the floor one at a time.
Once again you show your prejudice. Just because someone doesn't share
your musical tastes they are immediately demeaned.
Wrong again. I don't give a rat's ***** about what anybody listens to, as
long as they don't force me to listen to music I don't like.
You say you don't care what others listen to, but then you insult thm
for listening to other music. Contradiction. Actions speak louder than
words, and your action is the insult. So much for your open mindedness.
Go lay down, bigot. Your arguments and your opinions are as smelly as
they come.
Yeah, I'm a bigot. If I really were, you bible thumpers would love me.
You have no idea whether I'm a Bible thumper, a druid or a Moonie. I
have not said one word about the bible. Prejudging again. Your open
mindedness isn't.
I repeat, go lay down prejudice bigot.
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"Life is a crapshoot, Rocky. And if I'm going to roll snake eyes I'd rather do it on a jammed up garbage disposal than the fast lane of the Hollywood Freeway!"
-Jim Rockford
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| User: "Harry Sachz" |
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| Title: Re: Another article proving the US 666 fiasco was religiously motivated |
26 Aug 2003 03:17:16 PM |
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Rich Piehl wrote:
That's because you've prejudged the situation. Hitler saw no problem
with his point of view, either.
Invoking Godwin's Law this early in the argument? Pathetic. You can do
better.
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All I see is racist faces
Misplaced hate makes disgrace the racist
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| User: "Brainfried Sysadmin" |
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24 Aug 2003 02:45:20 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 14:13:23 -0500, Harry Sachz wrote:
http://www.abqjournal.com/quirky/67534news07-31-03.htm
"The devil's out of here," said Transportation Secretary Rhonda Faught,
"and we say goodbye and good riddance."
That is a government official making a statement establishing a certain
religion. Unconstitutional!
Beam me up Scotty...There's no intelligent life down here.
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