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"Steven Jones" |
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09 Oct 2005 11:17:34 PM |
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Another biblical contradiction |
I was just wondering, do Xians consider both the old and new testaments to
be valid? If so there is a major contradiction. The old testament says not
to consume blood. Yet in the NT, Jesus tells his disciples to eat his flesh
and drink his blood. This tradition survives today as the Eucharist. The
Xians believe that the bread and wine becomes the body and blood of Jesus.
Therefore, in their minds, they are disobeying the OT.
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| User: "cellophane_souls" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
09 Oct 2005 11:56:01 PM |
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"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message news:dicq0v$rja$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
I was just wondering, do Xians consider both the old and new testaments to
be valid? If so there is a major contradiction. The old testament says not
to consume blood. Yet in the NT, Jesus tells his disciples to eat his flesh
and drink his blood. This tradition survives today as the Eucharist. The
Xians believe that the bread and wine becomes the body and blood of Jesus.
Bread; basic food. Wine; in vino veritas. Jesus was a smart guy.
Many, both theists and atheists, are still today having problem
with understanding what Jesus said. That's why people hate Jesus.
Cause... he was smart. 2000 years and people still don't practice
what he preached. Most hate Jesus, cause he set the 'standards'
too high, others... blindly follow what 'church' says.
And yes, Jesus didn't write the bible. He was executed before
tha bible was written. Not everything in the holy book is true.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
14 Oct 2005 09:44:27 AM |
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"cellophane_souls" <cellophane_souls@gmail.com> astounded us with:
news:4349f3fd$3_3@x-privat.org:
"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:dicq0v$rja$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
I was just wondering, do Xians consider both the old and new testaments
to be valid? If so there is a major contradiction. The old testament
says not to consume blood. Yet in the NT, Jesus tells his disciples to
eat his flesh and drink his blood. This tradition survives today as
the Eucharist. The Xians believe that the bread and wine becomes the
body and blood of Jesus.
Bread; basic food. Wine; in vino veritas. Jesus was a smart guy.
Many, both theists and atheists, are still today having problem
with understanding what Jesus said. That's why people hate Jesus.
Cause... he was smart. 2000 years and people still don't practice
what he preached. Most hate Jesus, cause he set the 'standards'
too high, others... blindly follow what 'church' says.
And yes, Jesus didn't write the bible. He was executed before
tha bible was written. Not everything in the holy book is true.
NONE of it is true, except the lies, they're true!
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
10 Oct 2005 06:10:35 AM |
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"cellophane_souls" <cellophane_souls@gmail.com> said:
"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message news:dicq0v$rja$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
I was just wondering, do Xians consider both the old and new testaments to
be valid? If so there is a major contradiction. The old testament says not
to consume blood. Yet in the NT, Jesus tells his disciples to eat his flesh
and drink his blood. This tradition survives today as the Eucharist. The
Xians believe that the bread and wine becomes the body and blood of Jesus.
Bread; basic food. Wine; in vino veritas. Jesus was a smart guy.
Many, both theists and atheists, are still today having problem
with understanding what Jesus said. That's why people hate Jesus.
Cause... he was smart. 2000 years and people still don't practice
what he preached. Most hate Jesus, cause he set the 'standards'
too high, others... blindly follow what 'church' says.
And yes, Jesus didn't write the bible. He was executed before
tha bible was written. Not everything in the holy book is true.
How do you decide?
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
10 Oct 2005 06:31:09 AM |
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"Jim07D5" <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ctikk11md22ogmkpjtcek64lenpinfpgks@4ax.com...
"cellophane_souls" <cellophane_souls@gmail.
And yes, Jesus didn't write the bible. He was executed before
tha bible was written. Not everything in the holy book is true.
How do you decide?
What they do is as follows. Using their skill and judgement they examine the
text, and by a laborious process of careful sifting they separate what seems
intuitively reasonable from what is incoherent garbage. Then they believe
the incoherent garbage.
Katt.
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| User: "Jos Flachs - skip the aa" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
11 Oct 2005 07:08:07 AM |
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:56:01 +0200, "cellophane_souls"
<cellophane_souls@gmail.com> wrote:
"Steven Jones" <stevenj76@aapt.net.au> wrote in message news:dicq0v$rja$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
I was just wondering, do Xians consider both the old and new testaments to
be valid? If so there is a major contradiction. The old testament says not
to consume blood. Yet in the NT, Jesus tells his disciples to eat his flesh
and drink his blood. This tradition survives today as the Eucharist. The
Xians believe that the bread and wine becomes the body and blood of Jesus.
Bread; basic food. Wine; in vino veritas. Jesus was a smart guy.
Especially for someone who never existed. I'd say he's almost as
clever as Harry Potter. Almost. I want to see him do quidditch!
Many, both theists and atheists, are still today having problem
with understanding what Jesus said. That's why people hate Jesus.
Hate something that doesn't exist? Like I intensy hate hot red snow?
Cause... he was smart. 2000 years and people still don't practice
what he preached. Most hate Jesus, cause he set the 'standards'
too high, others... blindly follow what 'church' says.
Hate jesus? What for? He didn't came to change the law. That was saul
of Tarsus. You are mistaken.
And yes, Jesus didn't write the bible. He was executed before
tha bible was written. Not everything in the holy book is true.
Not should be written without a capital and in front of true.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
10 Oct 2005 12:59:46 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:56:01 +0200, "cellophane_souls"
<cellophane_souls@gmail.com> wrote:
Bread; basic food. Wine; in vino veritas. Jesus was a smart guy.
Many, both theists and atheists, are still today having problem
with understanding what Jesus said. That's why people hate Jesus.
Cause... he was smart. 2000 years and people still don't practice
what he preached. Most hate Jesus, cause he set the 'standards'
too high, others... blindly follow what 'church' says.
What a sad religion, your's is. Always, you have to find something to hate, or
something to accuse others, of hating.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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09 Oct 2005 11:58:25 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Steven Jones
(stevenj76@aapt.net.au) made the light shine upon us with this:
I was just wondering, do Xians consider both the old and new
testaments to be valid? If so there is a major contradiction. The
old testament says not to consume blood. Yet in the NT, Jesus tells
his disciples to eat his flesh and drink his blood. This tradition
survives today as the Eucharist. The Xians believe that the bread and
wine becomes the body and blood of Jesus. Therefore, in their minds,
they are disobeying the OT.
Some xians say Jesus came to fulfil the old law, I guess that means to make
it defunct. But that would mean they don't have to follow God's Ten
Commandments, and they no longer believe in Original Sin, which makes Jesus
unnecessary.
Trying to make sense out of Christianity is like trying to make cookies out
of asphalt.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "Carlos Trevino" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
10 Oct 2005 12:22:00 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96EADF902B353vicman@216.196.97.136...
Trying to make sense out of Christianity is like trying to make cookies out
of asphalt.
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Yet Christ made wine out of water. You can only understand Christianity if
God the Father allows you to understand Christianity. Don't feel bad most
self-proclaimed Christians don't understand the Gospel.
--
Carlos Trevino
X-atheist #1
Operations Manager- Science Fiction Movie Eye Roller Department
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"It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would
make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven
symphony as a variation of wave pressure." -- Albert Einstein
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
10 Oct 2005 12:54:41 AM |
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"Carlos Trevino" <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:YTm2f.13129$0c.2528@tornado.texas.rr.com...
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Yet Christ made wine out of water.
What makes you think anyone actually did that?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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10 Oct 2005 08:56:49 AM |
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on 09 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Dale (dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
"Carlos Trevino" <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:YTm2f.13129$0c.2528@tornado.texas.rr.com...
[...]
Yet Christ made wine out of water.
What makes you think anyone actually did that?
Jeebus probably had them on their knees praying while he swiched the
vessels. Abra-cadabra!
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "Andrew Haley" |
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11 Oct 2005 12:46:04 PM |
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Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Seconds, anyone?
Andrew.
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| User: "georgann" |
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11 Oct 2005 06:57:24 PM |
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Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Andrew Haley wrote:
Seconds, anyone?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Carlos is referring to Prevenient Grace. Look it up if you are unfamiliar
with the term.
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(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
(confounding the nonsense of Gnosticism with one verse)
John 14:9 ... "He who has seen Me has seen the Father..."
- Jesus Christ
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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11 Oct 2005 08:41:55 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF71C9A2.84CBE%chenault@mindspring.com...
Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Andrew Haley wrote:
Seconds, anyone?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Carlos is referring to Prevenient Grace. Look it up if you are unfamiliar
with the term.
WTF does this have to do with a TQOTM?
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Jim07D5" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
11 Oct 2005 09:09:37 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> said:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF71C9A2.84CBE%chenault@mindspring.com...
Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Andrew Haley wrote:
Seconds, anyone?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Carlos is referring to Prevenient Grace. Look it up if you are unfamiliar
with the term.
WTF does this have to do with a TQOTM?
It means they are so unaware of how silly it is, that it has been made
part of official dogma, to be accepted on faith alone. No, wait, that
happens when someone in the hierarchy gets an inkling that it *is*
silly and needs to be thrust upon the masses as an article of faith.
--- Jim07D5
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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13 Oct 2005 06:05:01 AM |
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Jim07D5 <Jim07D5@nospam.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Robibnikoff <witchypoo@broomstick.com> said:
georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Andrew Haley wrote:
Seconds, anyone?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Carlos is referring to Prevenient Grace. Look it up if you are unfamiliar
with the term.
WTF does this have to do with a TQOTM?
It means they are so unaware of how silly it is, that it has been made
part of official dogma, to be accepted on faith alone. No, wait, that
happens when someone in the hierarchy gets an inkling that it *is*
silly and needs to be thrust upon the masses as an article of faith.
That's what the apostle's creed is all about, right?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Jos Flachs - skip the aa" |
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12 Oct 2005 07:16:44 AM |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:41:55 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF71C9A2.84CBE%chenault@mindspring.com...
Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Andrew Haley wrote:
Seconds, anyone?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Carlos is referring to Prevenient Grace. Look it up if you are unfamiliar
with the term.
WTF does this have to do with a TQOTM?
It means our darling adultress wants to be nominated too.
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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14 Oct 2005 09:48:36 AM |
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Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> astounded us with:
news:11knuisqqj27t5d@news.supernews.com:
Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Seconds, anyone?
Andrew.
Seconded!
--
Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
Remove "s" to respond
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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16 Oct 2005 03:44:17 PM |
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:48:36 -0500, Phÿltêr wrote
(in article <8zP3f.17845$U51.2940@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> astounded us with:
news:11knuisqqj27t5d@news.supernews.com:
Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Seconds, anyone?
Andrew.
Seconded!
Uh, guys, Nemo is not going to see this if you don't put "TQOTM" in the
subject line.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³No gods were physically harmed during the making of this post. However
nothing was in the contract about emotional or psychological harm.²
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: TQOTM -- Was: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
16 Oct 2005 08:08:30 PM |
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"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BF7825D100390380F0284550@news.central.cox.net...
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:48:36 -0500, Phÿltêr wrote
(in article <8zP3f.17845$U51.2940@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> astounded us with:
news:11knuisqqj27t5d@news.supernews.com:
Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Seconds, anyone?
Andrew.
Seconded!
Uh, guys, Nemo is not going to see this if you don't put "TQOTM" in the
subject line.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³No gods were physically harmed during the making of this post. However
nothing was in the contract about emotional or psychological harm.²
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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17 Oct 2005 04:25:59 AM |
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In article <iQC4f.1989$WI4.1489@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net>,
"Katt" <kattt@t.com> wrote:
"Harry F. Leopold" <hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BF7825D100390380F0284550@news.central.cox.net...
On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:48:36 -0500, Phÿltêr wrote
(in article <8zP3f.17845$U51.2940@news-server.bigpond.net.au>):
Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> astounded us with:
news:11knuisqqj27t5d@news.supernews.com:
Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Seconds, anyone?
Andrew.
Seconded!
Uh, guys, Nemo is not going to see this if you don't put "TQOTM" in the
subject line.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³No gods were physically harmed during the making of this post. However
nothing was in the contract about emotional or psychological harm.²
Not to worry. I got it. Someone placed the TQOTM into the title last
week. Thabks for the help, though!
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: TQOTM NOMINATION (was Another biblical contradiction) |
11 Oct 2005 02:47:37 PM |
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on 11 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew Haley
(andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid) made the light shine upon us with this:
Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Seconds, anyone?
Andrew.
I am assuming this is a TQOTM nomination.
Seconded.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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14 Oct 2005 04:09:25 AM |
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In article <Xns96EC82639AF9vicman@127.0.0.1>,
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> wrote:
on 11 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew Haley
(andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid) made the light shine upon us with this:
Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Seconds, anyone?
Andrew.
I am assuming this is a TQOTM nomination.
Seconded.
Works for me. Recorded.
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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11 Oct 2005 02:55:16 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
on 11 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Andrew Haley
(andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid) made the light shine upon us with this:
Carlos Trevino <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote:
You can only understand Christianity if God the Father allows you to
understand Christianity.
Seconds, anyone?
Andrew.
I am assuming this is a TQOTM nomination.
Seconded.
I'm probably not entitled to a vote here, but it's not really a question
is it?
Ben
--
Squirting rubbing alcohol up your
nose is rather unpleasant.
-Sanford, ABSFG
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10 Oct 2005 12:40:59 PM |
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Carlos Trevino wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96EADF902B353vicman@216.196.97.136...
Trying to make sense out of Christianity is like trying to make cookies out
of asphalt.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Yet Christ made wine out of water. You can only understand Christianity if
God the Father allows you to understand Christianity.
Let me get this straight. If I don't understand, then I suffer
eternal punishment. But I don't determine if I get to understand,
only the one who is sentencing me determines that. God the Father is
a sadist.
Don't feel bad most
self-proclaimed Christians don't understand the Gospel.
--
Carlos Trevino
X-atheist #1
Operations Manager- Science Fiction Movie Eye Roller Department
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"It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would
make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven
symphony as a variation of wave pressure." -- Albert Einstein
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| User: "Carlos Trevino" |
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12 Oct 2005 10:33:42 AM |
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"Carl Kaufmann" <ckaufmann@cox.net> wrote in message
Let me get this straight. If I don't understand, then I suffer eternal
punishment.
You don't suffer eternal punishment, you get a second chance later on.
Burning in hell is a stupid myth not found in the Bible. When we die we are
dead, period. Those that die will be resurrected one day.
But I don't determine if I get to understand, only the one who is
sentencing me determines that.
God does not sentence anyone, the moral laws are already set just like the
laws of gravity. If you throw a rock up in the air and it hits your head you
don't blame God, you accept the consequence of your own action.
Once you understand (God willing) and accept the correct moral laws anything
negative is usally due to our own actions.
God the Father is a sadist.
Wrong, God is Love we just don't understand and blame all the negative on
him and we leave nothing to our stupidity.
But Don't feel bad most self-proclaimed Christians don't understand the
Gospel.
--
Carlos Trevino
X-atheist #1
Operations Manager- Science Fiction Movie Eye Roller Department
--------------------------------------------------------------
"It would be possible to describe everything scientifically, but it would
make no sense; it would be without meaning, as if you described a Beethoven
symphony as a variation of wave pressure." -- Albert Einstein
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| User: "Bob" |
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12 Oct 2005 10:53:01 AM |
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"Carlos Trevino" <carlost@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:q1a3f.31017$zw5.28877@tornado.texas.rr.com...
"Carl Kaufmann" <ckaufmann@cox.net> wrote in message
Let me get this straight. If I don't understand, then I suffer eternal
punishment.
You don't suffer eternal punishment, you get a second chance later on.
Burning in hell is a stupid myth not found in the Bible. When we die we
are dead, period. Those that die will be resurrected one day.
But I don't determine if I get to understand, only the one who is
sentencing me determines that.
God does not sentence anyone, the moral laws are already set just like the
laws of gravity. If you throw a rock up in the air and it hits your head
you don't blame God, you accept the consequence of your own action.
Once you understand (God willing) and accept the correct moral laws
anything negative is usally due to our own actions.
God the Father is a sadist.
Wrong, God is Love we just don't understand and blame all the negative on
him and we leave nothing to our stupidity.
Who's "we"? Got a mouse in your pocket?
Speak for yourself.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
12 Oct 2005 10:46:54 AM |
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In article <q1a3f.31017$zw5.28877@tornado.texas.rr.com> "Carlos Trevino" <carlost@bigfoot.com> writes:
"Carl Kaufmann" <ckaufmann@cox.net> wrote in message
Let me get this straight. If I don't understand, then I suffer eternal
punishment.
You don't suffer eternal punishment, you get a second chance later on.
Burning in hell is a stupid myth not found in the Bible. When we die we are
dead, period. Those that die will be resurrected one day.
But I don't determine if I get to understand, only the one who is
sentencing me determines that.
God does not sentence anyone, the moral laws are already set just like the
laws of gravity. If you throw a rock up in the air and it hits your head you
don't blame God, you accept the consequence of your own action.
Once you understand (God willing) and accept the correct moral laws anything
negative is usally due to our own actions.
God the Father is a sadist.
Wrong, God is Love we just don't understand and blame all the negative on
him and we leave nothing to our stupidity.
Kind of hard to lay the blame for the tsunami, the hurricane,
the mudslides, and now the earthquake, to human stupidity.
-- cary
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
12 Oct 2005 11:08:14 AM |
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on 12 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Carlos Trevino
(carlost@bigfoot.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Carl Kaufmann" <ckaufmann@cox.net> wrote in message
Let me get this straight. If I don't understand, then I suffer
eternal punishment.
You don't suffer eternal punishment, you get a second chance later
on. Burning in hell is a stupid myth not found in the Bible. When we
die we are dead, period. Those that die will be resurrected one day.
And this belief is contradicted by other Christian beliefs that say you go
directly to Judgement one moment after death. Now where are those
bagpipes?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
http://home.comcast.net/~vickman/
Plonked by Raytard
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| User: "Muad Dib" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
13 Oct 2005 05:59:21 AM |
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Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> scrivened in
news:Xns96ED5D3243253vicman@127.0.0.1:
on 12 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Carlos Trevino
(carlost@bigfoot.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Carl Kaufmann" <ckaufmann@cox.net> wrote in message
Let me get this straight. If I don't understand, then I suffer
eternal punishment.
You don't suffer eternal punishment, you get a second chance later
on. Burning in hell is a stupid myth not found in the Bible. When we
die we are dead, period. Those that die will be resurrected one day.
And this belief is contradicted by other Christian beliefs that say
you go directly to Judgement one moment after death. Now where are
those bagpipes?
The real test is what he's wearing under his kilt......
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The Bible
If you're going to write a good bit of fantasy fiction, at least put some
goblins or trolls in it, you dumb cunts. Given the choice between this
bollocks and the Lord of the Rings, which one do you think we're going to
go for? The Bible with its bunch of bearded nomad hippies talking shite, or
something with fucking battles and dragons?
And I think you're forgetting the first page, which should read: 'All
characters in this book are fictitious and any resemblance to any real
persons, living or dead, is entirely coincidental'.
I liked the bit when God and Jesus have a lightsaber duel on a bridge
though.
Quote from Cunts Corner "http://www.holymoly.co.uk/cc/index.php?alpha=t"
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: Another biblical contradiction |
13 Oct 2005 12:22:16 PM |
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Muad D'ib wrote:
Uncle Vic <address@withheld.com> scrivened in
news:Xns96ED5D3243253vicman@127.0.0.1:
on 12 Oct 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Carlos Trevino
(carlost@bigfoot.com) made the light shine upon us with this:
"Carl Kaufmann" <ckaufmann@cox.net> wrote in message
Let me get this straight. If I don't understand, then I suffer
eternal punishment.
You don't suffer eternal punishment, you get a second chance later
on. Burning in hell is a stupid myth not found in the Bible. When we
die we are dead, period. Those that die will be resurrected one day.
And this belief is contradicted by other Christian beliefs that say
you go directly to Judgement one moment after death. Now where are
those bagpipes?
The real test is what he's wearing under his kilt......
http://www.mikepainter.com/kilt.jpg
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