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Religions > Atheism |
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"Fred Stone" |
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02 Oct 2007 10:37:00 PM |
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Another claim by the Goracle, up in smoke. |
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can’t sell our cars in China today because we don’t meet the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can’t export an American car to China: it does not satisfy the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: “Not only is China
importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing gas-guzzling US
Hummers. Now they’re importing US Hummers stretched to breaking point.
“This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than RMB 4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100 km. It
costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up the tank! The
owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a Bose sound system.
“Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones that
prevent US imports ...”
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew’s place:
I’ve just come back from China and you’d have to be blind to miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in Beijing and
you’ll find more than one Buick dealership ... not to mention the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don’t know any better
won’t question what he has to say …
Nick Stern repeated Gore’s lie during an appearance at Australia’s
National Press Club; not one question from an entire roomful of
journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of American
cars on China’s streets that is so damning of Mr Gore’s integrity, it is
that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a little
whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8 Monaro and told
him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he couldn’t compete with
the smoke produced by your average Chinese bus.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Un-Fucking-Real |
04 Oct 2007 04:51:10 AM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
I've just come back from China and you'd have to be blind
to miss all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have
a look in Beijing and you'll find more than one Buick
dealership ...
MUST you people degrade yourselves with Every. Fucking.
Word?
These are "Buicks" in name only. They're designed
overseas and built in China by a Chinese company.
The biggest gasoline engine offered is 3.0L, and
even that one shuts off half it's cylinders the way
only the massive 5.7L Chrysler V-8 does in America.
Damn! You traitors will stoop to any lie in an
attempt to smear a Democrat....
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Un-Fucking-Real |
04 Oct 2007 07:19:39 AM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191491470.996292.212890
@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
I've just come back from China and you'd have to be blind
to miss all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have
a look in Beijing and you'll find more than one Buick
dealership ...
MUST you people degrade yourselves with Every. Fucking.
Word?
These are "Buicks" in name only. They're designed
overseas and built in China by a Chinese company.
The biggest gasoline engine offered is 3.0L, and
even that one shuts off half it's cylinders the way
only the massive 5.7L Chrysler V-8 does in America.
Damn! You traitors will stoop to any lie in an
attempt to smear a Democrat....
"JTEM".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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| User: "JTEM" |
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04 Oct 2007 07:35:32 AM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Un-Fucking-Real |
04 Oct 2007 10:17:49 AM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe an
immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception – the
ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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| User: "Kate " |
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04 Oct 2007 07:43:02 PM |
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On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Cripes you are pathetic Fred. Don't you know how to admit it when you
are wrong? Is that being too honest for you?
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| User: "G-Ride" |
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| Title: Re: Un-Fucking-Real |
04 Oct 2007 07:48:36 PM |
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"Kate " <cobalt@newscene.com> wrote in message
news:4713882e.604719781@news-west.newscene.com...
On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Cripes you are pathetic Fred. Don't you know how to admit it when you
are wrong? Is that being too honest for you?
If Fred ever bothered to admit he was wrong, he wouldn't have time to post
anything else.
--
Aloha, G-Ride
The force that's forcing you to feel like busting up a Starbucks.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Un-Fucking-Real |
05 Oct 2007 08:36:37 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote in news:4713882e.604719781@news-
west.newscene.com:
On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Cripes you are pathetic Fred. Don't you know how to admit it when you
are wrong? Is that being too honest for you?
"Kate".
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: Un-Fucking-Real |
05 Oct 2007 09:25:01 AM |
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On 05 Oct 2007 13:36:37 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in news:4713882e.604719781@news-
west.newscene.com:
On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Cripes you are pathetic Fred. Don't you know how to admit it when you
are wrong? Is that being too honest for you?
"Kate".
What? Do your fingers stop on their own before you can type out that
you were wrong?
Time to go to the therapist.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Un-Fucking-Real |
05 Oct 2007 01:51:34 PM |
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(Kate ) wrote in
news:471c4843.654006937@news-west.newscene.com:
On 05 Oct 2007 13:36:37 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
(Kate ) wrote in news:4713882e.604719781@news-
west.newscene.com:
On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Cripes you are pathetic Fred. Don't you know how to admit it when
you are wrong? Is that being too honest for you?
"Kate".
What? Do your fingers stop on their own before you can type out that
you were wrong?
Time to go to the therapist.
I'm not wrong. You are wrong. But I don't ever expect you to admit it.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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05 Oct 2007 01:27:56 AM |
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On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Oh look, Shredded Phred's famous non-sequitur
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| Title: Re: Un-Fucking-Real |
05 Oct 2007 08:37:00 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gcmbg31hl07iged8i3p30h0rcijlod0u8p@4ax.com:
On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Oh look, Shredded Phred's famous non-sequitur
Oh look, Yangie-poos famous dial-a-fallacy.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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05 Oct 2007 10:36:49 AM |
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On 05 Oct 2007 13:37:00 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gcmbg31hl07iged8i3p30h0rcijlod0u8p@4ax.com:
On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Oh look, Shredded Phred's famous non-sequitur
Oh look, Yangie-poos famous dial-a-fallacy.
Oh look, Chicken Fred's famous projection
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Un-Fucking-Real |
05 Oct 2007 01:49:16 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:2imcg3ll4eaq744gdp24nnrh1qd9dl8qf9@4ax.com:
On 05 Oct 2007 13:37:00 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gcmbg31hl07iged8i3p30h0rcijlod0u8p@4ax.com:
On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Oh look, Shredded Phred's famous non-sequitur
Oh look, Yangie-poos famous dial-a-fallacy.
Oh look, Chicken Fred's famous projection
Oh look, Yangie-poos using those psychology words again. Too bad he
doesn't know what they mean.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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07 Oct 2007 01:02:37 PM |
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On 05 Oct 2007 18:49:16 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:2imcg3ll4eaq744gdp24nnrh1qd9dl8qf9@4ax.com:
On 05 Oct 2007 13:37:00 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gcmbg31hl07iged8i3p30h0rcijlod0u8p@4ax.com:
On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Oh look, Shredded Phred's famous non-sequitur
Oh look, Yangie-poos famous dial-a-fallacy.
Oh look, Chicken Fred's famous projection
Oh look, Yangie-poos using those psychology words again. Too bad he
doesn't know what they mean.
Oh look, Loser Phred rojecting his own stupidity. Just because you're
igonorant doesn't mean the rest of us are like you.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Un-Fucking-Real |
08 Oct 2007 08:49:06 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:nq7ig311iv26ptq7jmu05uufavrmam9d4q@4ax.com:
On 05 Oct 2007 18:49:16 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:2imcg3ll4eaq744gdp24nnrh1qd9dl8qf9@4ax.com:
On 05 Oct 2007 13:37:00 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gcmbg31hl07iged8i3p30h0rcijlod0u8p@4ax.com:
On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Oh look, Shredded Phred's famous non-sequitur
Oh look, Yangie-poos famous dial-a-fallacy.
Oh look, Chicken Fred's famous projection
Oh look, Yangie-poos using those psychology words again. Too bad he
doesn't know what they mean.
Oh look, Loser Phred rojecting his own stupidity. Just because you're
igonorant doesn't mean the rest of us are like you.
Oh, look, Yangie-poo's denying his own stupidity. Just because you think
you're smart doesn't mean that I'm not smarter than you are.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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08 Oct 2007 10:10:13 AM |
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On 08 Oct 2007 13:49:06 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:nq7ig311iv26ptq7jmu05uufavrmam9d4q@4ax.com:
On 05 Oct 2007 18:49:16 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:2imcg3ll4eaq744gdp24nnrh1qd9dl8qf9@4ax.com:
On 05 Oct 2007 13:37:00 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gcmbg31hl07iged8i3p30h0rcijlod0u8p@4ax.com:
On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Oh look, Shredded Phred's famous non-sequitur
Oh look, Yangie-poos famous dial-a-fallacy.
Oh look, Chicken Fred's famous projection
Oh look, Yangie-poos using those psychology words again. Too bad he
doesn't know what they mean.
Oh look, Loser Phred rojecting his own stupidity. Just because you're
igonorant doesn't mean the rest of us are like you.
Oh, look, Yangie-poo's denying his own stupidity. Just because you think
you're smart doesn't mean that I'm not smarter than you are.
LOL! Freddie-loo brags about his "smart". Is that why you're getting
your ***** kicked by, oh, everyone here?
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| Title: Re: Un-Fucking-Real |
08 Oct 2007 05:38:47 PM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:v4ikg3hjvvqonem5okekb4k5pto851oa8s@4ax.com:
On 08 Oct 2007 13:49:06 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:nq7ig311iv26ptq7jmu05uufavrmam9d4q@4ax.com:
On 05 Oct 2007 18:49:16 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:2imcg3ll4eaq744gdp24nnrh1qd9dl8qf9@4ax.com:
On 05 Oct 2007 13:37:00 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:gcmbg31hl07iged8i3p30h0rcijlod0u8p@4ax.com:
On 04 Oct 2007 15:17:49 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1191501332.513788.287700@
22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"JTEM".
Try this, "Fred." No, seriously, try this:
"Gee, I didn't know that. I regret posting
something that was factually incorrect."
Go on, "Fred." Try it.
"JTEM".
Oh look, Shredded Phred's famous non-sequitur
Oh look, Yangie-poos famous dial-a-fallacy.
Oh look, Chicken Fred's famous projection
Oh look, Yangie-poos using those psychology words again. Too bad he
doesn't know what they mean.
Oh look, Loser Phred rojecting his own stupidity. Just because
you're igonorant doesn't mean the rest of us are like you.
Oh, look, Yangie-poo's denying his own stupidity. Just because you
think you're smart doesn't mean that I'm not smarter than you are.
LOL! Freddie-loo brags about his "smart". Is that why you're getting
your ***** kicked by, oh, everyone here?
Is that what you call it when not one of you can lay a finger on me,
much less kick my *****. The next time you address the points that I raise
head on instead of hiding behind your ad-homs and your phony dial-a-
fallacies, Yangie-poo, will be the first time.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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04 Oct 2007 04:39:59 AM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
We can't sell our cars in China today because we
don't meet the Chinese emissions standards.
#1. The Hummer isn't a car. Even here in the U.S.
the Hummer is classified as a commercial vehical.
#2. The smallest & cheapest Buick in the American
market is the LaCrosse, which most definitely
DOES NOT meet Chinese emissions requirements.
For passenger cars, as of this year the Chinese
are on the Euro III standard:
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/information/emissions.asp
The LaCrosse doesn't meet it:
http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/E-BUICK-LaCrosse-07.htm
#3.
Those Buicks you think you're seeing in China
are not like anything sold in the United States.
Here you go, you fucking retard:
http://cars.about.com/od/detoursanddiversions/ig/American-world-cars/Buick-Excelle.htm
In case the link breaks, which I'm sure it will,
allow me to quote the text under the photo of
your chinese Buick:
: Like the Chevrolet Optra, the Buick Excelle -- sold
: exclusively in China -- is based on a Daewoo design.
: Buick also offers Chinese buyers a hatchback version
: called the Excelle HRV.
Here, you ***** waste product, this will lead you
to a photo gallery showing a lot of "American" cars
with some things in common. They're all a lot better
looking then their small American counterparts, none
of them are built in the U.S. and none of them are
sold here as well:
http://cars.about.com/b/a/217035.htm
Idiot.
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04 Oct 2007 07:19:01 AM |
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JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1191490799.508654.56910@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
We can't sell our cars in China today because we
don't meet the Chinese emissions standards.
#1. The Hummer isn't a car. Even here in the U.S.
the Hummer is classified as a commercial vehical.
Bwaaaahahahahahahahaha.
#2. The smallest & cheapest Buick in the American
market is the LaCrosse, which most definitely
DOES NOT meet Chinese emissions requirements.
And if you believe that the *Chinese* meet Chinese emissions
requirements, I've got a bridge I can sell you real cheap.
For passenger cars, as of this year the Chinese
are on the Euro III standard:
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/information/emissions.asp
The LaCrosse doesn't meet it:
http://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/E-BUICK-LaCrosse-07.htm
#3.
Those Buicks you think you're seeing in China
are not like anything sold in the United States.
Here you go, you fucking retard:
http://cars.about.com/od/detoursanddiversions/ig/American-world-
cars/Bu
ick-Excelle.htm
In case the link breaks, which I'm sure it will,
allow me to quote the text under the photo of
your chinese Buick:
: Like the Chevrolet Optra, the Buick Excelle -- sold
: exclusively in China -- is based on a Daewoo design.
: Buick also offers Chinese buyers a hatchback version
: called the Excelle HRV.
Here, you ***** waste product, this will lead you
to a photo gallery showing a lot of "American" cars
with some things in common. They're all a lot better
looking then their small American counterparts, none
of them are built in the U.S. and none of them are
sold here as well:
http://cars.about.com/b/a/217035.htm
Idiot.
"JTEM."
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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03 Oct 2007 05:23:26 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99BDF041C2C86freddybear@216.151.153.48...
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can't sell our cars in China today because we don't meet the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can't export an American car to China: it does not satisfy the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: "Not only is China
importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing gas-guzzling US
Hummers. Now they're importing US Hummers stretched to breaking point.
"This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than RMB 4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100 km. It
costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up the tank! The
owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a Bose sound system.
"Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones that
prevent US imports ..."
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew's place:
I've just come back from China and you'd have to be blind to miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in Beijing and
you'll find more than one Buick dealership ... not to mention the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don't know any better
won't question what he has to say .
Nick Stern repeated Gore's lie during an appearance at Australia's
National Press Club; not one question from an entire roomful of
journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of American
cars on China's streets that is so damning of Mr Gore's integrity, it is
that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a little
whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8 Monaro and told
him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he couldn't compete with
the smoke produced by your average Chinese bus.
The ChiComs have been bringing a new coal factory on line every week
(without scrubbers or sequestration technology)! The exemption they have
from Kyoto and most other standards that they have gulled stupid greenies
into granting them has served as a cash cow for polluters to pay them cash
to pollute on their behalf. But they're soooooooo concerned about the
environment. Leftists will believe anything.
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| User: "IAAH" |
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03 Oct 2007 07:49:05 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can’t sell our cars in China today because we don’t meet the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can’t export an American car to China: it does not satisfy the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: “Not only is China
importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing gas-guzzling US
Hummers. Now they’re importing US Hummers stretched to breaking point.
“This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than RMB 4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100 km. It
costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up the tank! The
owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a Bose sound system.
“Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones that
prevent US imports ...”
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew’s place:
I’ve just come back from China and you’d have to be blind to miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in Beijing and
you’ll find more than one Buick dealership ... not to mention the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don’t know any better
won’t question what he has to say …
Nick Stern repeated Gore’s lie during an appearance at Australia’s
National Press Club; not one question from an entire roomful of
journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of American
cars on China’s streets that is so damning of Mr Gore’s integrity, it is
that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a little
whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8 Monaro and told
him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he couldn’t compete with
the smoke produced by your average Chinese bus.
My god, could you distort the truth any more? For
one thing, Buick dealerships in China don't sell
American cars. They don't import anything. What's
with the lying, Freddy?
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03 Oct 2007 10:16:51 PM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:_oSdnSqU87dcEp7anZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can’t sell our cars in China today because we don’t meet the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can’t export an American car to China: it does not satisfy
the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: “Not only is China
importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing gas-guzzling US
Hummers. Now they’re importing US Hummers stretched to breaking
point.
“This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than RMB 4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100 km.
It costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up the tank!
The owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a Bose sound
system.
“Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones that
prevent US imports ...”
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew’s place:
I’ve just come back from China and you’d have to be blind to miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in Beijing
and you’ll find more than one Buick dealership ... not to mention the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don’t know any
better won’t question what he has to say …
Nick Stern repeated Gore’s lie during an appearance at Australia’s
National Press Club; not one question from an entire roomful of
journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of American
cars on China’s streets that is so damning of Mr Gore’s integrity, it
is that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a
little whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8
Monaro and told him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he
couldn’t compete with the smoke produced by your average Chinese bus.
My god, could you distort the truth any more? For
one thing, Buick dealerships in China don't sell
American cars. They don't import anything. What's
with the lying, Freddy?
Bwaaahahahahahahahaha. You patsy, IAAH, can't you do anything better
than "IS SO!"
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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04 Oct 2007 04:46:25 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:_oSdnSqU87dcEp7anZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can’t sell our cars in China today because we don’t meet the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can’t export an American car to China: it does not satisfy
the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: “Not only is China
importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing gas-guzzling US
Hummers. Now they’re importing US Hummers stretched to breaking
point.
“This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than RMB 4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100 km.
It costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up the tank!
The owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a Bose sound
system.
“Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones that
prevent US imports ...”
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew’s place:
I’ve just come back from China and you’d have to be blind to miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in Beijing
and you’ll find more than one Buick dealership ... not to mention the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don’t know any
better won’t question what he has to say …
Nick Stern repeated Gore’s lie during an appearance at Australia’s
National Press Club; not one question from an entire roomful of
journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of American
cars on China’s streets that is so damning of Mr Gore’s integrity, it
is that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a
little whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8
Monaro and told him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he
couldn’t compete with the smoke produced by your average Chinese bus.
My god, could you distort the truth any more? For
one thing, Buick dealerships in China don't sell
American cars. They don't import anything. What's
with the lying, Freddy?
Bwaaahahahahahahahaha. You patsy, IAAH, can't you do anything better
than "IS SO!"
Yeah, I can point out the fact that GM cars sold
in China are also made there to different
standards than American-made cars, and shortly
there'll be another plant in Shanghai. What've you
got besides a blogger who doesn't know his *****
and a tendency to believe anything you like the
sound of?
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05 Oct 2007 08:36:17 AM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:hvOdnQmOLNGvwpjanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:_oSdnSqU87dcEp7anZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can’t sell our cars in China today because we don’t meet the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can’t export an American car to China: it does not satisfy
the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: “Not only is China
importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing gas-guzzling US
Hummers. Now they’re importing US Hummers stretched to breaking
point.
“This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than RMB
4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100 km.
It costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up the tank!
The owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a Bose
sound
system.
“Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones that
prevent US imports ...”
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew’s place:
I’ve just come back from China and you’d have to be blind to
miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in Beijing
and you’ll find more than one Buick dealership ... not to mention
the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don’t know any
better won’t question what he has to say …
Nick Stern repeated Gore’s lie during an appearance at Australia’s
National Press Club; not one question from an entire roomful of
journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of
American
cars on China’s streets that is so damning of Mr Gore’s integrity,
it
is that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a
little whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8
Monaro and told him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he
couldn’t compete with the smoke produced by your average Chinese
bus.
My god, could you distort the truth any more? For
one thing, Buick dealerships in China don't sell
American cars. They don't import anything. What's
with the lying, Freddy?
Bwaaahahahahahahahaha. You patsy, IAAH, can't you do anything better
than "IS SO!"
Yeah, I can point out the fact that GM cars sold
in China are also made there to different
standards than American-made cars, and shortly
there'll be another plant in Shanghai. What've you
got besides a blogger who doesn't know his *****
and a tendency to believe anything you like the
sound of?
No, you can't point that out. All you can "point out" is that Buick
sells Chinese-made Buicks in China. You have *not* proved that they
don't import American cars. In fact, the post I cited proves that they
*do* import American cars. Hummers, to be precise. *STRETCH* Hummers.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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| User: "IAAH" |
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05 Oct 2007 09:18:38 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:hvOdnQmOLNGvwpjanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:_oSdnSqU87dcEp7anZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can’t sell our cars in China today because we don’t meet the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can’t export an American car to China: it does not satisfy
the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: “Not only is China
importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing gas-guzzling US
Hummers. Now they’re importing US Hummers stretched to breaking
point.
“This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than RMB
4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100 km.
It costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up the tank!
The owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a Bose
sound
system.
“Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones that
prevent US imports ...”
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew’s place:
I’ve just come back from China and you’d have to be blind to
miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in Beijing
and you’ll find more than one Buick dealership ... not to mention
the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don’t know any
better won’t question what he has to say …
Nick Stern repeated Gore’s lie during an appearance at Australia’s
National Press Club; not one question from an entire roomful of
journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of
American
cars on China’s streets that is so damning of Mr Gore’s integrity,
it
is that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a
little whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8
Monaro and told him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he
couldn’t compete with the smoke produced by your average Chinese
bus.
My god, could you distort the truth any more? For
one thing, Buick dealerships in China don't sell
American cars. They don't import anything. What's
with the lying, Freddy?
Bwaaahahahahahahahaha. You patsy, IAAH, can't you do anything better
than "IS SO!"
Yeah, I can point out the fact that GM cars sold
in China are also made there to different
standards than American-made cars, and shortly
there'll be another plant in Shanghai. What've you
got besides a blogger who doesn't know his *****
and a tendency to believe anything you like the
sound of?
No, you can't point that out. All you can "point out" is that Buick
sells Chinese-made Buicks in China. You have *not* proved that they
don't import American cars. In fact, the post I cited proves that they
*do* import American cars. Hummers, to be precise. *STRETCH* Hummers.
Ah, back to that. Okay then, YOU get to prove that
those ARE American made cars. Get to it, Freddy.
(BTW, Hummers are not cars, are they? No, they're
not. Deliberate conflation for deception on your
part, or ignorance?)
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| Title: Re: Another claim by the Goracle, up in smoke. |
05 Oct 2007 01:41:30 PM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:GtOdnao5O_gi2pvanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:hvOdnQmOLNGvwpjanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:_oSdnSqU87dcEp7anZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can’t sell our cars in China today because we don’t meet
the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can’t export an American car to China: it does not
satisfy the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: “Not only is
China importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing
gas-guzzling US Hummers. Now they’re importing US Hummers
stretched to breaking point.
“This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than
RMB
4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100
km. It costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up the
tank! The owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a
Bose
sound
system.
“Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones that
prevent US imports ...”
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew’s place:
I’ve just come back from China and you’d have to be blind to
miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in
Beijing and you’ll find more than one Buick dealership ... not to
mention
the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don’t know any
better won’t question what he has to say …
Nick Stern repeated Gore’s lie during an appearance at
Australia’s National Press Club; not one question from an entire
roomful of journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of
American
cars on China’s streets that is so damning of Mr Gore’s
integrity,
it
is that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a
little whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8
Monaro and told him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he
couldn’t compete with the smoke produced by your average Chinese
bus.
My god, could you distort the truth any more? For
one thing, Buick dealerships in China don't sell
American cars. They don't import anything. What's
with the lying, Freddy?
Bwaaahahahahahahahaha. You patsy, IAAH, can't you do anything
better than "IS SO!"
Yeah, I can point out the fact that GM cars sold
in China are also made there to different
standards than American-made cars, and shortly
there'll be another plant in Shanghai. What've you
got besides a blogger who doesn't know his *****
and a tendency to believe anything you like the
sound of?
No, you can't point that out. All you can "point out" is that Buick
sells Chinese-made Buicks in China. You have *not* proved that they
don't import American cars. In fact, the post I cited proves that
they *do* import American cars. Hummers, to be precise. *STRETCH*
Hummers.
Ah, back to that. Okay then, YOU get to prove that
those ARE American made cars. Get to it, Freddy.
(BTW, Hummers are not cars, are they? No, they're
not. Deliberate conflation for deception on your
part, or ignorance?)
Lame, IAAH. Even by your non-existent standards, that's lame.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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| Title: Re: Another claim by the Goracle, up in smoke. |
05 Oct 2007 03:33:42 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:GtOdnao5O_gi2pvanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:hvOdnQmOLNGvwpjanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:_oSdnSqU87dcEp7anZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can’t sell our cars in China today because we don’t meet
the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can’t export an American car to China: it does not
satisfy the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: “Not only is
China importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing
gas-guzzling US Hummers. Now they’re importing US Hummers
stretched to breaking point.
“This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than
RMB
4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100
km. It costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up the
tank! The owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a
Bose
sound
system.
“Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones that
prevent US imports ...”
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew’s place:
I’ve just come back from China and you’d have to be blind to
miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in
Beijing and you’ll find more than one Buick dealership ... not to
mention
the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don’t know any
better won’t question what he has to say …
Nick Stern repeated Gore’s lie during an appearance at
Australia’s National Press Club; not one question from an entire
roomful of journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of
American
cars on China’s streets that is so damning of Mr Gore’s
integrity,
it
is that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a
little whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8
Monaro and told him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he
couldn’t compete with the smoke produced by your average Chinese
bus.
My god, could you distort the truth any more? For
one thing, Buick dealerships in China don't sell
American cars. They don't import anything. What's
with the lying, Freddy?
Bwaaahahahahahahahaha. You patsy, IAAH, can't you do anything
better than "IS SO!"
Yeah, I can point out the fact that GM cars sold
in China are also made there to different
standards than American-made cars, and shortly
there'll be another plant in Shanghai. What've you
got besides a blogger who doesn't know his *****
and a tendency to believe anything you like the
sound of?
No, you can't point that out. All you can "point out" is that Buick
sells Chinese-made Buicks in China. You have *not* proved that they
don't import American cars. In fact, the post I cited proves that
they *do* import American cars. Hummers, to be precise. *STRETCH*
Hummers.
Ah, back to that. Okay then, YOU get to prove that
those ARE American made cars. Get to it, Freddy.
And as we all expected, suddenly there's not a
damn bit of proof to be seen.
(BTW, Hummers are not cars, are they? No, they're
not. Deliberate conflation for deception on your
part, or ignorance?)
Lame, IAAH. Even by your non-existent standards, that's lame.
Oooh, looky. Fred's feeling all cornered.
Hey Freddy, explain to us why China has to hold
Hummers to car standards when the US doesn't,
won't you? And get to showing us all these
'imports', too.
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05 Oct 2007 06:29:09 PM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:Evednc7cyPA1ApvanZ2dnUVZ_tXinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:GtOdnao5O_gi2pvanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:hvOdnQmOLNGvwpjanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:_oSdnSqU87dcEp7anZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can’t sell our cars in China today because we don’t meet
the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can’t export an American car to China: it does not
satisfy the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: “Not only is
China importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing
gas-guzzling US Hummers. Now they’re importing US Hummers
stretched to breaking point.
“This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than
RMB
4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100
km. It costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up
the
tank! The owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a
Bose
sound
system.
“Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones
that
prevent US imports ...”
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew’s place:
I’ve just come back from China and you’d have to be blind
to
miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in
Beijing and you’ll find more than one Buick dealership ... not
to
mention
the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don’t know
any
better won’t question what he has to say …
Nick Stern repeated Gore’s lie during an appearance at
Australia’s National Press Club; not one question from an
entire
roomful of journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of
American
cars on China’s streets that is so damning of Mr Gore’s
integrity,
it
is that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a
little whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8
Monaro and told him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he
couldn’t compete with the smoke produced by your average
Chinese
bus.
My god, could you distort the truth any more? For
one thing, Buick dealerships in China don't sell
American cars. They don't import anything. What's
with the lying, Freddy?
Bwaaahahahahahahahaha. You patsy, IAAH, can't you do anything
better than "IS SO!"
Yeah, I can point out the fact that GM cars sold
in China are also made there to different
standards than American-made cars, and shortly
there'll be another plant in Shanghai. What've you
got besides a blogger who doesn't know his *****
and a tendency to believe anything you like the
sound of?
No, you can't point that out. All you can "point out" is that Buick
sells Chinese-made Buicks in China. You have *not* proved that they
don't import American cars. In fact, the post I cited proves that
they *do* import American cars. Hummers, to be precise. *STRETCH*
Hummers.
Ah, back to that. Okay then, YOU get to prove that
those ARE American made cars. Get to it, Freddy.
And as we all expected, suddenly there's not a
damn bit of proof to be seen.
Poor IAAH. Freddybear won't play his silly games. IAAH is mad. IAAH will
cry and sulk and say mean things but Freddybear will just laugh at him.
(BTW, Hummers are not cars, are they? No, they're
not. Deliberate conflation for deception on your
part, or ignorance?)
Lame, IAAH. Even by your non-existent standards, that's lame.
Oooh, looky. Fred's feeling all cornered.
Oooh, looky. IAAH is on drugs again.
Hey Freddy, explain to us why China has to hold
Hummers to car standards when the US doesn't,
won't you? And get to showing us all these
'imports', too.
Poor IAAH is mad. His tactics don't work on people who know all about
them. Aww.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
“The hypocrisy argument is a tactic used by thought fascists who believe
an immutable personal characteristic must dictate – without exception –
the ideological and political state of a person’s mind.”
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| User: "IAAH" |
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| Title: Re: Another claim by the Goracle, up in smoke. |
06 Oct 2007 09:42:10 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:Evednc7cyPA1ApvanZ2dnUVZ_tXinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:GtOdnao5O_gi2pvanZ2dnUVZ_rvinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:hvOdnQmOLNGvwpjanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:_oSdnSqU87dcEp7anZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can’t sell our cars in China today because we don’t meet
the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can’t export an American car to China: it does not
satisfy the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: “Not only is
China importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing
gas-guzzling US Hummers. Now they’re importing US Hummers
stretched to breaking point.
“This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than
RMB
4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100
km. It costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up
the
tank! The owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a
Bose
sound
system.
“Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones
that
prevent US imports ...”
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew’s place:
I’ve just come back from China and you’d have to be blind
to
miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in
Beijing and you’ll find more than one Buick dealership ... not
to
mention
the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don’t know
any
better won’t question what he has to say …
Nick Stern repeated Gore’s lie during an appearance at
Australia’s National Press Club; not one question from an
entire
roomful of journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of
American
cars on China’s streets that is so damning of Mr Gore’s
integrity,
it
is that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a
little whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8
Monaro and told him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he
couldn’t compete with the smoke produced by your average
Chinese
bus.
My god, could you distort the truth any more? For
one thing, Buick dealerships in China don't sell
American cars. They don't import anything. What's
with the lying, Freddy?
Bwaaahahahahahahahaha. You patsy, IAAH, can't you do anything
better than "IS SO!"
Yeah, I can point out the fact that GM cars sold
in China are also made there to different
standards than American-made cars, and shortly
there'll be another plant in Shanghai. What've you
got besides a blogger who doesn't know his *****
and a tendency to believe anything you like the
sound of?
No, you can't point that out. All you can "point out" is that Buick
sells Chinese-made Buicks in China. You have *not* proved that they
don't import American cars. In fact, the post I cited proves that
they *do* import American cars. Hummers, to be precise. *STRETCH*
Hummers.
Ah, back to that. Okay then, YOU get to prove that
those ARE American made cars. Get to it, Freddy.
And as we all expected, suddenly there's not a
damn bit of proof to be seen.
Poor IAAH. Freddybear won't play his silly games. IAAH is mad. IAAH will
cry and sulk and say mean things but Freddybear will just laugh at him.
(BTW, Hummers are not cars, are they? No, they're
not. Deliberate conflation for deception on your
part, or ignorance?)
Lame, IAAH. Even by your non-existent standards, that's lame.
Oooh, looky. Fred's feeling all cornered.
Oooh, looky. IAAH is on drugs again.
Deliberate conflation, then.
Hey Freddy, explain to us why China has to hold
Hummers to car standards when the US doesn't,
won't you? And get to showing us all these
'imports', too.
Poor IAAH is mad. His tactics don't work on people who know all about
them. Aww.
I know, I know. The tactic of asking you to
actually back up your ridiculous claims failed, as
it usually does.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Another claim by the Goracle, up in smoke. |
04 Oct 2007 04:08:58 AM |
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On 04 Oct 2007 03:16:51 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:_oSdnSqU87dcEp7anZ2dnUVZ_rfinZ2d@giganews.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
http://timblair.net/ee/index.php/weblog/worlds_cleanest_humvee/
Al Gore claims:
We can’t sell our cars in China today because we don’t meet the
Chinese emissions standards.
And Sir Nicholas Stern dutifully repeats:
You can’t export an American car to China: it does not satisfy
the
emissions standards.
Take a look, gentlemen:
image
Via a Chinese-reading correspondent, who emails: “Not only is China
importing US vehicles. Not only are they importing gas-guzzling US
Hummers. Now they’re importing US Hummers stretched to breaking
point.
“This Hummer is 10.5 metres long, weighs 5 tons, cost more than RMB 4
million (around US$500,000), and uses 30 litres of fuel per 100 km.
It costs over 10,000 RMB (more than US$1,000) to fill up the tank!
The owner says it is fully imported from the US and has a Bose sound
system.
“Now, where were those regulations again? You know, the ones that
prevent US imports ...”
UPDATE. Reaction at Andrew’s place:
I’ve just come back from China and you’d have to be blind to miss
all the American cars. Note to the Goreacle: Have a look in Beijing
and you’ll find more than one Buick dealership ... not to mention the
others. This guy really is hoping that people who don’t know any
better won’t question what he has to say …
Nick Stern repeated Gore’s lie during an appearance at Australia’s
National Press Club; not one question from an entire roomful of
journalists. Another comment:
It is not merely the fact that you can see any number of American
cars on China’s streets that is so damning of Mr Gore’s integrity, it
is that you can see their exhaust. I mean not in the sense of a
little whisp of smoke. I mean if you lined up Tim Blair in a V8
Monaro and told him to smoke his wheels as much as he could, he
couldn’t compete with the smoke produced by your average Chinese bus.
My god, could you distort the truth any more? For
one thing, Buick dealerships in China don't sell
American cars. They don't import anything. What's
with the lying, Freddy?
Bwaaahahahahahahahaha. You patsy, IAAH, can't you do anything better
than "IS SO!"
Boo hoo, facts have such a liberal bias.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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