Religions > Atheism > Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?)
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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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07 Jul 2004 01:31:02 AM |
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Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -870 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
18 Jul 2004 08:05:01 PM |
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You can spin
it all you want, but all anyone needs to do to find out for
themselves is to listen to those two blow hards.
Like I said, door swings both ways.
And like I said. The fact that you recognize the Republicans lie
doesn't mean the Democrats do so.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
18 Jul 2004 08:08:56 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041805017550%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
You can spin
it all you want, but all anyone needs to do to find out for
themselves is to listen to those two blow hards.
Like I said, door swings both ways.
And like I said. The fact that you recognize the Republicans lie
doesn't mean the Democrats do so.
Well one thing we can count on, you would never admit it or recognize
Democrats who lie.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
18 Jul 2004 08:26:38 PM |
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In article <ie-dnXaCzt5bg2bdRVn-uQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041805017550%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
You can spin
it all you want, but all anyone needs to do to find out for
themselves is to listen to those two blow hards.
Like I said, door swings both ways.
And like I said. The fact that you recognize the Republicans lie
doesn't mean the Democrats do so.
Well one thing we can count on, you would never admit it or recognize
Democrats who lie.
Untrue. I know individual Democrats who have lied. But Democrats
don't do so as a party. Republicans do. (Generally.)
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
18 Jul 2004 08:31:03 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041826385377%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <ie-dnXaCzt5bg2bdRVn-uQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041805017550%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
You can spin
it all you want, but all anyone needs to do to find out for
themselves is to listen to those two blow hards.
Like I said, door swings both ways.
And like I said. The fact that you recognize the Republicans lie
doesn't mean the Democrats do so.
Well one thing we can count on, you would never admit it or recognize
Democrats who lie.
Untrue.
No, it is true
I know individual Democrats who have lied. But Democrats
don't do so as a party. Republicans do. (Generally.)
Your bigotry is showing again.
Hint: Parties don't lie, people do. Like you, you lie
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
18 Jul 2004 08:48:24 PM |
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In article <irydnXKWaLxtvmbdRVn-qQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041826385377%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <ie-dnXaCzt5bg2bdRVn-uQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041805017550%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
You can spin
it all you want, but all anyone needs to do to find out for
themselves is to listen to those two blow hards.
Like I said, door swings both ways.
And like I said. The fact that you recognize the Republicans lie
doesn't mean the Democrats do so.
Well one thing we can count on, you would never admit it or recognize
Democrats who lie.
Untrue.
No, it is true
So you read minds now?
I know individual Democrats who have lied. But Democrats
don't do so as a party. Republicans do. (Generally.)
Your bigotry is showing again.
Just my desire for truth.
Hint: Parties don't lie, people do. Like you, you lie
Hint: Parties have policies. Republicans have a policy of lying.
Look what they saying about Kerry and taxes. (An issue on which you
have run from...)
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
18 Jul 2004 09:00:17 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041848243738%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <irydnXKWaLxtvmbdRVn-qQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041826385377%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <ie-dnXaCzt5bg2bdRVn-uQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041805017550%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
You can spin
it all you want, but all anyone needs to do to find out for
themselves is to listen to those two blow hards.
Like I said, door swings both ways.
And like I said. The fact that you recognize the Republicans lie
doesn't mean the Democrats do so.
Well one thing we can count on, you would never admit it or
recognize
Democrats who lie.
Untrue.
No, it is true
So you read minds now?
I know individual Democrats who have lied. But Democrats
don't do so as a party. Republicans do. (Generally.)
Your bigotry is showing again.
Just my desire for truth.
You have no desire for truth. Just a few moments ago I presented a source
that shows Al Gores low grades and you said you had no desire to look at it.
So much for your claim to desire truth.
Hint: Parties don't lie, people do. Like you, you lie
Hint: Parties have policies.
Can you show where it is a policy that any party lies?
Republicans have a policy of lying.
And can you show this "policy"
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
18 Jul 2004 09:01:38 PM |
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In article <OtKdnfH-Yv5Yt2bdRVn-sw@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041848243738%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <irydnXKWaLxtvmbdRVn-qQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041826385377%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <ie-dnXaCzt5bg2bdRVn-uQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:180720041805017550%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
You can spin
it all you want, but all anyone needs to do to find out for
themselves is to listen to those two blow hards.
Like I said, door swings both ways.
And like I said. The fact that you recognize the Republicans lie
doesn't mean the Democrats do so.
Well one thing we can count on, you would never admit it or
recognize
Democrats who lie.
Untrue.
No, it is true
So you read minds now?
I know individual Democrats who have lied. But Democrats
don't do so as a party. Republicans do. (Generally.)
Your bigotry is showing again.
Just my desire for truth.
You have no desire for truth. Just a few moments ago I presented a source
that shows Al Gores low grades and you said you had no desire to look at it.
Because it is a lie. Try to understand.
So much for your claim to desire truth.
Actually, that proves my point.
Hint: Parties don't lie, people do. Like you, you lie
Hint: Parties have policies.
Can you show where it is a policy that any party lies?
Look at reality.
Republicans have a policy of lying.
And can you show this "policy"
Look at their ads.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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18 Jul 2004 11:18:08 AM |
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In article <0sednUrkC4V572fdRVn-ig@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-02F894.22371317072004@news-40.giganews.com...
In article <2MydnZSxR4vnc3LdRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"TP" <thomaspaine@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2la91hFaelohU1@uni-berlin.de...
Hannity has spent too much time with the hair spray. It has sunken
into
his
brain cells and destroyed them. He's just another repug talking head
that
spews the party line like a parrot asking for crackers.
Go ahead and debate him then. Why is it you democraps will wine about
republicans who have talk shows in a newsgroup, yet I don't see any of
you
actually debating them. Real brave of you to talk about the man in a
newsgroup, yet you don't have the courage to face him...and debate the
issues.
Try calling Hannitty's radio show and express a viewpoint he doesn't
agree with. You'll be cut off in seconds.
That is wrong, I have seen him talk to people who express different
viewpoints many times.
*****. It is so bad their is a video out showing him do it dozens
of times.
I have even listened to Rush tell a liberal he was right on an issue and he
apologized.
ROFL!
Sorry about your luck, but you are just flat out wrong.
You are a moron. You simply deny things and think that is "debating."
So what is your next excuse for not wanting to debate them?
You arenšt up to it?
If you believe what you say, go to the public and make a public announcement
and challenge them.
*****.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
18 Jul 2004 12:59:34 AM |
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Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <2MydnZSxR4vnc3LdRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"TP" <thomaspaine@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2la91hFaelohU1@uni-berlin.de...
Hannity has spent too much time with the hair spray. It has sunken into
his
brain cells and destroyed them. He's just another repug talking head that
spews the party line like a parrot asking for crackers.
Go ahead and debate him then. Why is it you democraps will wine about
republicans who have talk shows in a newsgroup, yet I don't see any of you
actually debating them. Real brave of you to talk about the man in a
newsgroup, yet you don't have the courage to face him...and debate the
issues.
Try calling Hannitty's radio show and express a viewpoint he doesn't
agree with. You'll be cut off in seconds.
Listen to Terry Gross interview Bill O'Reilly on "Fresh Air" last
October. You see how civil and rational a neocon can be.
http://freshair.npr.org October 8, 2003
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
18 Jul 2004 01:15:37 AM |
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In article <cdd3k5$7s2$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer
<rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote:
Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <2MydnZSxR4vnc3LdRVn-hg@comcast.com>,
"Osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"TP" <thomaspaine@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2la91hFaelohU1@uni-berlin.de...
Hannity has spent too much time with the hair spray. It has sunken into
his
brain cells and destroyed them. He's just another repug talking head that
spews the party line like a parrot asking for crackers.
Go ahead and debate him then. Why is it you democraps will wine about
republicans who have talk shows in a newsgroup, yet I don't see any of you
actually debating them. Real brave of you to talk about the man in a
newsgroup, yet you don't have the courage to face him...and debate the
issues.
Try calling Hannitty's radio show and express a viewpoint he doesn't
agree with. You'll be cut off in seconds.
Listen to Terry Gross interview Bill O'Reilly on "Fresh Air" last
October. You see how civil and rational a neocon can be.
http://freshair.npr.org October 8, 2003
And check this out:
http://http.dvlabs.com/carolina/Trailer_A.wmv
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
07 Jul 2004 03:47:39 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:31:02 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
I disagree with the subject line. Mr. McCain's coming to the
defense of Mr. Edwards has to do with Mr. McCain's
personal integrity, self-worth, empathy, and compassion for others.
In short, it's a mind-set almost absent in government.
Mr. McCain is one Republican I can think of who I would vote for.
There might be one, possibly two, others. The rest would get
more support via their urinating upwind in their trousers,
dresses, other.
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
08 Jul 2004 02:15:30 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:47:39 -0700, "stoney"
<stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:31:02 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
I disagree with the subject line. Mr. McCain's coming to the
defense of Mr. Edwards has to do with Mr. McCain's
personal integrity, self-worth, empathy, and compassion for others.
In short, it's a mind-set almost absent in government.
I'll admit it's a stretch. But it's kind of funny to see the NeoCons
foaming over the fact that John McCain marches to the beat of his own
drum.
Mr. McCain is one Republican I can think of who I would vote for.
There might be one, possibly two, others. The rest would get
more support via their urinating upwind in their trousers,
dresses, other.
I was against Arnold in the recall election, but I have a more
favorable view of him now for one simpler reason- He knows how to
compromise. If I still live in California I might entertain voting for
him.
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Yang
a.a. #28
AthD (h.c.) conferred by the regents of the LCL
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -870 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
09 Jul 2004 05:36:24 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 00:15:30 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 13:47:39 -0700, "stoney"
<stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 23:31:02 -0700, Yang, AthD (h.c) wrote:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
I disagree with the subject line. Mr. McCain's coming to the
defense of Mr. Edwards has to do with Mr. McCain's
personal integrity, self-worth, empathy, and compassion for others.
In short, it's a mind-set almost absent in government.
I'll admit it's a stretch. But it's kind of funny to see the NeoCons
foaming over the fact that John McCain marches to the beat of his own
drum.
IIRC, Jeffords marched to the beat of his own drum, as well. There's no
reason for McCain to kowtow to the yellow dogs of the misadministration.
The man not only went to Vietnam, but he spent about 7 years as a 'guest'
in the Hanoi Hilton. With the exception of Powell, the rest actively
avoided service while AWOL Shrub violated direct orders with impunity.
Mr. McCain is one Republican I can think of who I would vote for.
There might be one, possibly two, others. The rest would get
more support via their urinating upwind in their trousers,
dresses, other.
I was against Arnold in the recall election, but I have a more
favorable view of him now for one simpler reason- He knows how to
compromise. If I still live in California I might entertain voting for
him.
I haven't been following what he's been doing, but I was aware Arnold was
something other than 'business as usual,' ala Ventura, which had people
totally infuriated.
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
09 Jul 2004 06:27:32 PM |
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I haven't been following what he's been doing, but I was aware Arnold was
something other than 'business as usual,' ala Ventura, which had people
totally infuriated.
There is at least one way that Schwartzenegger is "business as usual," at least
for Republicans. He's a spendaholic on personal staff. He hired more staffers,
violating the state-wide hiring freeze and spent more money on them than Davis.
He's also hiding their salaries in other budgets, just like Davis did.
Like most modern Republicans he ran on a platform of smaller government and
immediately increased the size of government once he was in office. He's just
another hypocrite. Business as usual.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
10 Jul 2004 03:55:11 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:27:32 +0000, Lord Calvert wrote:
I haven't been following what he's been doing, but I was aware Arnold was
something other than 'business as usual,' ala Ventura, which had people
totally infuriated.
There is at least one way that Schwartzenegger is "business as usual," at least
for Republicans. He's a spendaholic on personal staff. He hired more staffers,
violating the state-wide hiring freeze and spent more money on them than Davis.
He's also hiding their salaries in other budgets, just like Davis did.
Like most modern Republicans he ran on a platform of smaller government and
immediately increased the size of government once he was in office. He's just
another hypocrite. Business as usual.
(sigh)
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
10 Jul 2004 09:31:02 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.10.20.55.10.102988@localhost.localdomain...
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:27:32 +0000, Lord Calvert wrote:
I haven't been following what he's been doing, but I was aware Arnold
was
something other than 'business as usual,' ala Ventura, which had people
totally infuriated.
There is at least one way that Schwartzenegger is "business as usual,"
at least
for Republicans. He's a spendaholic on personal staff. He hired more
staffers,
violating the state-wide hiring freeze and spent more money on them than
Davis.
He's also hiding their salaries in other budgets, just like Davis did.
Like most modern Republicans he ran on a platform of smaller government
and
immediately increased the size of government once he was in office. He's
just
another hypocrite. Business as usual.
(sigh)
Yep. The New Republicans would horrify Barry Goldwater.
Remember how scary we thought he was? He was nothing
compared to these Republican hypocrits. And, he was one
thing they'll never be - honest. Never thought I'd see the
day when I'd be praising Goldwater's qualities over other
Republicans. That's about as scary as you can get...
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
12 Jul 2004 12:56:54 AM |
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In article <wuKdncxmve39O23dRVn-gw@comcast.com>,
"Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.10.20.55.10.102988@localhost.localdomain...
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:27:32 +0000, Lord Calvert wrote:
I haven't been following what he's been doing, but I was aware Arnold
was
something other than 'business as usual,' ala Ventura, which had people
totally infuriated.
There is at least one way that Schwartzenegger is "business as usual,"
at least
for Republicans. He's a spendaholic on personal staff. He hired more
staffers,
violating the state-wide hiring freeze and spent more money on them than
Davis.
He's also hiding their salaries in other budgets, just like Davis did.
Like most modern Republicans he ran on a platform of smaller government
and
immediately increased the size of government once he was in office. He's
just
another hypocrite. Business as usual.
(sigh)
Yep. The New Republicans would horrify Barry Goldwater.
Remember how scary we thought he was? He was nothing
compared to these Republican hypocrits. And, he was one
thing they'll never be - honest. Never thought I'd see the
day when I'd be praising Goldwater's qualities over other
Republicans. That's about as scary as you can get...
That makes at least two of us. I feel exactly the same. I disagreed
with Barry on many topics, but i always felt that he was an honorable
man. These phonies couldn't even spell 'honor', much less 'truth'.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
12 Jul 2004 01:15:06 AM |
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Yep. The New Republicans would horrify Barry Goldwater.
Remember how scary we thought he was? He was nothing
compared to these Republican hypocrits. And, he was one
thing they'll never be - honest. Never thought I'd see the
day when I'd be praising Goldwater's qualities over other
Republicans. That's about as scary as you can get...
That makes at least two of us. I feel exactly the same. I disagreed
with Barry on many topics, but i always felt that he was an honorable
man. These phonies couldn't even spell 'honor', much less 'truth'.
The "New Republicans" DID horrify Barry Goldwater and he lectured them quite
eloquently on the Senate floor back in 1981.
"Well, I've spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the 'Old
Conservatism.' And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of
these groups [the neo-conservative Religious Right] have little or nothing to
do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of these
groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our
representative system, if they gain sufficient strength. Being a conservative
in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for
the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the
Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects.... By
maintaining the separation of church and state the United States has avoided
the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars
..... Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can
anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the
bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious
issues into the affairs of state? The religious factions will go on imposing
their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that
religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views
known without trying to make their views the only alternatives... We have
succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the
uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now. To retreat
from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the
values upon which the framers built this democratic republic." - Senator Barry
Goldwater (R-AZ), Senate Speech, 15 September 1981
Tell me, does that sound like anything you'd hear a so-called "conservative"
say today?
"Every good Christian should be concerned." - Jerry Fallwell, talking about the
nomination of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court.
"Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's *****." - Barry
Goldwater, in response.
"I don't have any respect for the Religious Right. There is no place in this
country for practicing religion in politics. That goes for Falwell, Robertson
and all the rest of these political preachers. They are a detriment to the
country." - Barry Goldwater
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
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In article <20040712021506.04282.00001070@mb-m26.aol.com>,
forlornh@aol.complicated (Lord Calvert) wrote:
Yep. The New Republicans would horrify Barry Goldwater.
Remember how scary we thought he was? He was nothing
compared to these Republican hypocrits. And, he was one
thing they'll never be - honest. Never thought I'd see the
day when I'd be praising Goldwater's qualities over other
Republicans. That's about as scary as you can get...
That makes at least two of us. I feel exactly the same. I disagreed
with Barry on many topics, but i always felt that he was an honorable
man. These phonies couldn't even spell 'honor', much less 'truth'.
The "New Republicans" DID horrify Barry Goldwater and he lectured them quite
eloquently on the Senate floor back in 1981.
"Well, I've spent quite a number of years carrying the flag of the 'Old
Conservatism.' And I can say with conviction that the religious issues of
these groups [the neo-conservative Religious Right] have little or nothing to
do with conservative or liberal politics. The uncompromising position of
these
groups is a divisive element that could tear apart the very spirit of our
representative system, if they gain sufficient strength. Being a conservative
in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for
the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the
Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects.... By
maintaining the separation of church and state the United States has avoided
the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious
wars
.... Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can
anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the
bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious
issues into the affairs of state? The religious factions will go on imposing
their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize
that
religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views
known without trying to make their views the only alternatives... We have
succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the
uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now. To
retreat
from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the
values upon which the framers built this democratic republic." - Senator
Barry
Goldwater (R-AZ), Senate Speech, 15 September 1981
Tell me, does that sound like anything you'd hear a so-called "conservative"
say today?
"Every good Christian should be concerned." - Jerry Fallwell, talking about
the
nomination of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court.
"Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's *****." - Barry
Goldwater, in response.
"I don't have any respect for the Religious Right. There is no place in this
country for practicing religion in politics. That goes for Falwell,
Robertson
and all the rest of these political preachers. They are a detriment to the
country." - Barry Goldwater
Now everyone, even the Dems are afraid to speak out about what the
Religious Right phonies are doing to the country. I remember that
after the 9th Circuit Court decision the Senate passed a resolution
defending the silly 'Under GAWD' phrase in the Pledge by a vote of
99-0. It was only 99 votes because one of them, Jesse Helms I think,
was in the hospital.
I wish that we had guys like Barry back in government today.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Men become civilized not in their willingness to believe, but in
proportion to their readiness to doubt." - H. L. Mencken
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
12 Jul 2004 07:21:21 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:31:02 -0400, Michelle Malkin wrote:
"stoney" <stoney@localhost.localdomain> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.07.10.20.55.10.102988@localhost.localdomain...
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 23:27:32 +0000, Lord Calvert wrote:
I haven't been following what he's been doing, but I was aware Arnold
was
something other than 'business as usual,' ala Ventura, which had people
totally infuriated.
There is at least one way that Schwartzenegger is "business as usual,"
at least
for Republicans. He's a spendaholic on personal staff. He hired more
staffers,
violating the state-wide hiring freeze and spent more money on them than
Davis.
He's also hiding their salaries in other budgets, just like Davis did.
Like most modern Republicans he ran on a platform of smaller government
and
immediately increased the size of government once he was in office. He's
just
another hypocrite. Business as usual.
(sigh)
Yep. The New Republicans would horrify Barry Goldwater.
Remember how scary we thought he was?
Very much so!
He was nothing
compared to these Republican hypocrits. And, he was one
thing they'll never be - honest. Never thought I'd see the
day when I'd be praising Goldwater's qualities over other
Republicans. That's about as scary as you can get...
Agreed.
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