Religions > Atheism > Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?)
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"Yang, AthD h.c" |
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07 Jul 2004 01:31:02 AM |
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Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
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Yang
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The Bush 'balanced' budget: 1.2 trillion and worsening
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The Bush Iraq lie: -870 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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07 Jul 2004 07:02:21 AM |
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from personal
injury trials.
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| User: "Marvin" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
07 Jul 2004 08:00:06 AM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of
people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some
measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion.
He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength
of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son,
Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the
strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a
political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich
from personal
injury trials.
Can't help wondering what your attitude would be if the injury
had been to your person.
I don't know much about Mr. Edwards as yet, but I doubt the
sincerity of those who've so quickly jumped on the sleaze by
association smear campaign (or should I say crusade?).
Especially if they are trying to pretend there's some
particular integrity to be found in the incumbents.
--
Marvin
To reply, burn off fog.
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| User: "Apostate" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
07 Jul 2004 02:09:58 PM |
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On Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:00:06 -0500, "Marvin" <marvin2@fogstarband.net> wrote in alt.atheism:
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
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"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of
people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some
measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion.
He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength
of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son,
Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the
strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a
political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich
from personal
injury trials.
Can't help wondering what your attitude would be if the injury
had been to your person.
I don't know much about Mr. Edwards as yet, but I doubt the
sincerity of those who've so quickly jumped on the sleaze by
association smear campaign (or should I say crusade?).
Especially if they are trying to pretend there's some
particular integrity to be found in the incumbents.
The worst kind of lawyer is better than (all but) the best kind of Republican.
And, of course, less sleazy, by yards.
Have I mentioned that I'm not fond of lawyers, as a class?
--
/Apostate
atheist #(e^7.5657933) I've found it!
BAAWA Knife AND SMASHer
EAC Supernumerary Deputy Director, Department of Redundancy Department
plonked by Lani_girl, first post; billions served!
I doubt, therefore I might be.
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| User: "Roger" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
07 Jul 2004 07:11:51 AM |
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"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca...
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from personal
injury trials.
Prove it.
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| User: "Shawn Hearn" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
18 Jul 2004 07:34:05 PM |
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In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from personal
injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
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| User: "Pookie" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
18 Jul 2004 07:49:51 PM |
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"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com...
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from personal
injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
Did 'Junk Science' Make John Edwards Rich?
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
January 20, 2004
(CNSNews.com) - The superstar trial lawyer accomplishments of John Edwards,
which allowed this former millworker to amass a personal fortune, finance
his successful U.S. Senate run in 1998 and catapult himself into the 2004
race for president, may have been partially built on "junk science,"
according to legal and medical experts who spoke with CNSNews.com .
Edwards, who with a late surge finished second in Monday's Iowa Caucuses,
continues to cite one of his most lucrative legal victories as an example of
how he would stand up for "the little guy" if elected president.
Edwards became one of America's wealthiest trial lawyers by winning record
jury verdicts and settlements in cases alleging that the botched treatment
of women in labor and their deliveries caused infants to develop cerebral
palsy, a brain disorder that causes motor function impairment and lifelong
disability.
Although he was involved in other types of personal injury litigation,
Edwards specialized in infant cerebral palsy and brain damage cases during
his early days as a trial lawyer and with the Raleigh, N.C., firm of Edwards
& Kirby.
Edwards has repeatedly told campaign audiences that he fought on behalf of
the common man against the large insurance companies. But a political critic
with extensive knowledge of Edwards' legal career in North Carolina told
CNSNews.com a different story
"Edwards always helped the little guy as long as he got a million dollars
out of it," said the source, who did not want to be identified.
The cause of cerebral palsy has been debated since the 19th century. Some
medical studies dating back to at least the 1980s asserted that doctors
could do very little to cause cerebral palsy during the birthing process.
Two new studies in 2003 further undermined the scientific premise of the
high profile court cases that helped Edwards become a multi-millionaire and
finance his own successful campaign for the U.S. Senate.
Dr. Murray Goldstein, a neurologist and the medical director of the United
Cerebral Palsy Research and Educational Foundation, said it is conceivable
for a doctor's incompetence to cause cerebral palsy in an infant. "There are
some cases where the brain damage did occur at the time of delivery. But
it's really unusual. It's really quite unusual," Goldstein said.
"The overwhelming majority of children that are born with developmental
brain damage, the ob/gyn could not have done anything about it, could not
have, not at this stage of what we know," Goldstein added.
The medical and legal experts with whom CNSNews.com consulted said each case
of cerebral palsy had to be evaluated on its own, but that medical science
was increasingly exonerating the doctors involved in the labor and delivery
where cerebral palsy resulted.
Eldon L. Boisseau of the Kansas-based firm Turner and Boisseau, specializing
in defending doctors' insurance companies from medical malpractice lawsuits,
agreed that physician-caused cerebral palsy "occurs only rarely."
"At the end of the day, I verily believe we will find [the cause of cerebral
palsy is] all genetic," Boisseau said in an interview with CNSNews.com.
Dr. John Freeman, a professor of neurology and pediatrics at Johns Hopkins
Hospital in Baltimore, Md., also believes there is little obstetricians can
do to prevent cerebral palsy during delivery. "Most cases of cerebral palsy
are not due to asphyxia," Freeman told CNSNews.com.
"A great many of these cases are due to subtle infections of the child
before birth," Freeman said. "That is the cause of the premature labor and
the cause of the [brain] damage. There is little or no evidence that if you
did a [caesarean] section a short time earlier you would prevent cerebral
palsy," he added.
'Heart wrenching plea'
But some of Edwards' critics say that as a trial lawyer, he relied more on
his verbal skills than the latest scientific evidence to persuade juries
that the doctors' mistakes had been instrumental in causing the cerebral
palsy in the infants.
Edwards' trial summaries "routinely went beyond a recitation of his case to
a heart-wrenching plea to jurors to listen to the unspoken voices of injured
children," according to a comprehensive analysis of Edwards' legal career by
The Boston Globe in 2003.
The Globe cited an example of Edwards' oratorical skills from a medical
malpractice trial in 1985. Edwards had alleged that a doctor and a hospital
had been responsible for the cerebral palsy afflicting then-five-year-old
Jennifer Campbell.
'I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right
now I feel her (Jennifer), I feel her presence,' Edwards told the jury
according to court records. "[Jennifer's] inside me and she's talking to you
.... And this is what she says to you. She says, 'I don't ask for your pity.
What I ask for is your strength. And I don't ask for your sympathy, but I do
ask for your courage.'"
Edwards' emotional plea worked. Jennifer Campbell's family won a record jury
verdict of $6.5 million against the hospital where the girl was born -- a
judgment reduced later to $2.75 million on appeal. Edwards also settled with
Jennifer's obstetrician for $1.5 million.
Legal expert Walter Olson, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and
author of the book, The Rule of Lawyers, said Edwards' success in court was
due in large part to his mastery of one important trait.
"Edwards was clearly very good at managing the emotional tenor of a trial
and that turns out to be at least as important as any particular skill in
the sense of researching the fine points of law," Olson told CNSNews.com .
"These are the skills that you find in successful trial lawyers. They can
tell a story that produces a certain emotional response. It's a gift," Olson
added.
However, Olson believes trial lawyers "have been getting away with an awful
lot in cerebral palsy litigation," by excluding certain scientific evidence.
"[Trial lawyers] have been cashing in on cases where the doctor's conduct
probably did not make any difference at all -- cases where the child was
doomed to this condition based on things that happened before they ever got
to the delivery room," Olson said.
'Junk science in the courtroom'
Peter Huber, a lawyer and author of the book, Galileo's Revenge: Junk
Science in the Courtroom, believes juries are typically manipulated with
emotional arguments to aid the plaintiff's case.
"The jury sees the undisputed trauma first, the disputed negligence second,
the undisputed cerebral palsy third. It is a perfect set-up for
misinterpreting sequence as cause," Huber wrote.
According to Boisseau, the growing body of scientific studies showing that
obstetricians are generally blameless in cerebral palsy cases has done
nothing to alter the trend of multi-million dollar court settlements. Those
settlements are reached, Boisseau said, even though "a lot of the
plaintiff's expert science is unsupported, essentially junk science."
Many juries never even get to hear about the medical science or the origins
of cerebral palsy because "90 percent of suits for obstetrical malpractice
are settled" out of court, noted Freeman of Johns Hopkins Hospital.
Huber does not expect cerebral palsy cases to fade away, despite the growing
body of scientific evidence exonerating doctors.
"Despite the almost complete absence of scientific basis for these [medical
malpractice] claims, cerebral palsy cases remain enormously attractive to
lawyers," Huber wrote.
The judgments or settlements related to medical malpractice lawsuits that
focused on brain-damaged infants with cerebral palsy helped Edwards amass a
personal fortune estimated at between $12.8 and $60 million. He and his wife
own three homes, each worth more than $1 million, according to Edwards'
Senate financial disclosure forms. Edwards' old law firm reportedly kept
between 25 and 40 percent of the jury awards/settlements during the time he
worked there.
According to the Center for Public Integrity, Edwards was able to win "more
than $152 million" based on his involvement in 63 lawsuits alone. The legal
profession recognized Edwards' achievements by inducting him into the
prestigious legal society called the Inner Circle of Advocates, which
includes the nation's top 100 lawyers. Lawyers Weekly also cited Edwards as
one of America's "Lawyers of the Year" in 1996.
'The kids and families I've fought for'
Edwards has shifted his emotionally charged speeches from the jury box to
the presidential campaign trail and is fond of re-telling the story of how
his firm sued on behalf of a cerebral palsy-afflicted boy named Ethan
Bedrick in 1996.
Ethan, born in North Carolina in 1992, allegedly developed cerebral palsy
after a botched delivery. Edwards has explained to audiences at presidential
campaign rallies that suing Ethan's insurance carrier, Travelers Insurance
Co., to cover the boy's physical therapy was necessary because "Ethan's
family had no choice.
"[The family was] forced to go to court to get their son the care he
needed," Edwards has said of the case, which his law firm won.
Edwards has repeatedly cited Ethan's case as an example of "the kids and
families I've fought for," and in the minds of many political observers
positioned himself as the classic David against the insurance industry's
Goliath.
However, Edwards has also repeatedly failed to mention that he had
represented Ethan Bedrick in a lawsuit against the boy's obstetrician a year
earlier in 1995. Edwards had alleged that the doctor was negligent in
failing to prevent the boy's oxygen deprivation during labor and therefore
had caused the boy's cerebral palsy.
Edwards settled the malpractice case with the doctor's insurance company
less than three weeks into the trial, enabling Ethan's family to get a
reported $5 million for medical and living expenses. The case was reportedly
the largest medical malpractice settlement in North Carolina history.
'I'm proud of that'
Edwards is not shy about defending his legal career and says he would gladly
put his record up against that of President Bush in this year's general
election.
"The time I spent in courtrooms representing kids and families against, you
know, big insurance companies and big drug companies and big corporate
America -- I'm proud of that," Edwards told the CBS news magazine 60 Minutes
in December 2003.
But Edwards' critics have a different view of the man; they say he has
repeatedly acted to enrich himself.
"John Edwards' spin is always -- I am helping the little guy. But he
screened his cases to the point that he only helped people that were going
to make him richer," said the CNSNews.com source with extensive knowledge of
Edwards' legal career.
Dr. Lorne Hall, one of the physicians with whom Edwards reached a
confidential settlement in a malpractice case involving cerebral palsy,
agreed, telling The Charlotte Observer in 2003 that "[Edwards] knows how to
pick cases, and he knows the ones he can win."
Hall said Edwards was "very polished, very polite, dressed to the T's,
smiling at the ladies." But the anonymous source for this story said Edwards
displayed a "belligerent attitude" toward the medical profession.
"He sued nurses, doctors, hospitals. The reputation he had was -- he never
wanted to hear that nobody did anything wrong. If you even walked by the
door of an alleged malpractice incident, you were gong to cough up money
too," the source said.
But John Hood, president of the free-market, Raleigh, N.C.-based John Locke
Foundation said Edwards tailored the evidence in his court cases for maximum
impact.
"In pursuing his client's cases he did what many other trial lawyers do. He
bent the available evidence to fit what he wanted to say," Hood told
CNSNews.com . "That is the nature of an advocacy system," Hood added
Hood does not fault Edwards for the strategies he used as a trial lawyer.
"He was an advocate for his clients. It was his job to make the best
possible case for them," Hood said.
Many legal observers agree that Edwards was simply doing his job and doing
it very well.
A North Carolina newspaper, The News and Observer, said Edwards "forged a
reputation as one of the most skilled plaintiff's attorneys in the
business."
Retired North Carolina Superior Court Judge Robert Farmer, who heard many of
Edwards' arguments in court, had nothing but praise for the abilities of the
former trial lawyer, turned senator.
"He was probably the best I ever had in the 21 years I had on the bench.
Lawyers would come in to watch him, to see what he does," Farmer told the
Chicago Tribune in December 2003.
'Scientifically unfounded'
Olson said lawsuits blaming obstetricians for cerebral palsy and other
infant brain damage "may constitute the single biggest branch of medical
malpractice litigation." Cerebral palsy is diagnosed in about 8,000 infants
annually in the U.S.
But the recent scientific studies may make those lawsuits "scientifically
unfounded," Olson explained. He contends that the medical malpractice suits
that enabled Edwards and other trial lawyers to become rich and famous are
crippling medical specialties like obstetrics, emergency room medicine and
neurosurgery.
"A few years ago every neurosurgeon in Washington D.C., had been sued, and
it can't be because the nation's capital gets only bad neurosurgeons. It's
because it's too tempting to file against the competent ones because so many
terrible things go wrong with their patients," Olson added.
Edwards, who opposes legislation that would cap damages in liability
lawsuits, would not respond to repeated requests through his campaign
offices for comment.
http://www.cnsnews.com/Politics/Archive/200401/POL20040120a.html
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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18 Jul 2004 08:17:30 PM |
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In article <PUEKc.1503$S45.510242@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, Pookie
<pookie18323@optonline.net> wrote:
"Shawn Hearn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com...
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from personal
injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
"Edwards always helped the little guy as long as he got a million dollars
out of it," said the source, who did not want to be identified.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, there is nothing wrong with Edwards being a
trial lawyer. People would be screwed without them.
I am a trial lawyer, and proud of it. Fewer than 10% of all lawyers
are trial lawyers, and that is because you have to have a certain
personality for it. Mine fits, most don't. You have to be stubborn
while flexible; you have to enjoy the arguing, spinning, hyperbole, and
rhetoric. You have to be able to understand people, know how to push
their buttons, and most importantly, know when those buttons should be
pushed. Plaintiff's attorneys, like myself, are the worst, they say.
They drive up costs and insurance, and they sue anyone and everyone, in
their never-ending desire for money.
There is some truth to all that. We do, for example, pursue the
almighty dollar. But that is for a good reason. Besides our Porsches,
and million dollar homes, we know what the American public seems to
forget. Money is what motivates. Money is what the courts use in
their quest for justice. There are some bad, and sad, things about
being a trial lawyer, too. Like police work, people only call you when
they are in trouble or have problems. It is a terrible thing to have
to discuss how much money a mother's child is worth with only one leg.
I have had to watch as a family tried to come to grips with the loss of
their father and husband because of the negligence of an employer. I
have been involved in some very large judgments, and I have never seen
a case where the person aggrieved wouldn't gladly give back every cent
they received if what had happened, hadn't happened.
And we, as trial lawyers, make a lot of money off these cases. Of
course we are accused of being sharks, or vultures. But don't ever
believe that your life would be better without trial lawyers - it
wouldn't. Because without civil litigation, your neighbor could
encroach on your property, the factory down the street could pollute
your drinking water, that machine you work on could take off your
finger, your arm, or your life. Contracts would mean nothing more than
a piece of paper. That debt collector who swears you owe money when
you don't would call you in the middle of the night and abuse your wife
or children over the telephone and then ruin your credit to get you to
pay. The food you eat would be more dangerous. The clothes you wear
would be more flammable, but yes, probably cheaper. Your car would
certainly be more dangerous, and your stocks more vulnerable to fraud.
I like being a trial lawyer - I always have. I can't imagine doing
anything else. And what I like about it is tripartite. Obviously, I
like the money, who doesn't? I also like the fight - everyone here
knows how I like to argue positions. But best of all, I like it, on
those rare occasions, when someone is truly devastated by the
negligence of another and I make a difference, not only in their lives,
but in the lives of others who won't have the same thing happen to them
- hopefully. John Edwards, I believe, has that in him. He made a lot
of money as a lawyer. But he has now turned his back on that money and
wants to make an even bigger difference, at a far lessor salary, than
he has as a lawyer. I respect him for that.
In Shakespeare 's play, King Henry the Sixth, the butcher said, łThe
first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.˛ Shakespeare was
complementing lawyers when he wrote that. The importance of lawyers in
society was being recognized. The butcher knew that only the lawyers
would stand in the way of their plan for chaos and tyranny. The only
thing worse than a world with trial lawyers is a world without them.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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18 Jul 2004 07:35:39 PM |
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In article <srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>, Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of justice
with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He shows a
perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength of his
clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son, Wade, and
the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals the strength of
his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from personal
injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences would be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
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18 Jul 2004 09:14:42 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article <srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>, Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences would be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
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18 Jul 2004 09:54:17 PM |
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In article <a-udnegE7JMPs2bdRVn-rw@wavecable.com>, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article <srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>, Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences would be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
What makes you think that?
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21 Jul 2004 09:08:24 AM |
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article <srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>, Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences would be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
How on earth would your medicals bills be lower if there weren't
lawyers suing for their clients, who have been injured because
of a defendants negligence ?
Who do you think is behind the pharmaceutical company scams,
and the rip off insurance scams ?
Prime example, both grandparents, an in-law's mother, and a
friend changed Dr.'s due to relocating, and the friend due to finally
deciding to get other opinions when their health wasn't improving.
All four had been on several medications for some time which either
didn't improve their health, or improvement was very minor.
The three new Dr.'s order complete physicals for all four patients,
and as a result of those physicals and blood work done, all four
were taken off all their medications.
The grandparents new Dr. asked why both had been taking a
medication for a heart condition, when neither had a heart
problem, and my grandfather was also on a kidney medication
when there wasn't anything wrong with his kidneys.
The in-law's mother was also taking a heart medication but
didn't have a heart condition.
The friend, who had a kidney removed because the Dr. said
it was the cause of his problem, still had the problems after the
kidney had been removed. It wasn't until he went to the new
Dr., who removed him from all the medications, and because of
the physical found it was an infection causing the problems in
the first place.
The point being, if people bothered to get other opinions, complete
physicals, they would probably find they're taking medications for
things they don't have a problem with. And when they're put on
medication after medication, over a period of time it's the cause of
more medical problems etc.
Which is costing them a fortune in needless Dr., hospital and
medication bills. You blame the lawyers, yet it's the Dr.'s, hospitals
and pharmaceutical companies who are raking in the billions each
year, and no one ever blames them for ripping people off, just the
lawyers.
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
21 Jul 2004 09:41:57 AM |
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In article <r5rsf0lhe08lip5vqjd1pr356siakau508@4ax.com>, BUSH=TERRORIST
<newsflash@o11.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article <srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>, Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences would be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
Only the Republicans would think like this. Rather than blame the true
culprit, the negligent doctors, you just want to protect the big
insurance companies.
Trail lawyers who sue doctors are protecting you. Too bad you can't
see what the result would be without that protection.
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
22 Jul 2004 11:17:21 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:210720040741570672%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article <r5rsf0lhe08lip5vqjd1pr356siakau508@4ax.com>, BUSH=TERRORIST
<newsflash@o11.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article <srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>, Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people
who were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure
of justice with great skill, determination, and genuine
compassion. He shows a perceptive appreciation in these
accounts for the strength of his clinets' character. And in the
loving portrait of his son, Wade, and the deeply touching
account of his losss, John reveals the strength of his own
chracter and gives the reader a look beyond a political
biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences would be
of not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
Only the Republicans would think like this. Rather than blame the true
culprit, the negligent doctors, you just want to protect the big
insurance companies.
Trail lawyers who sue doctors are protecting you. Too bad you can't
see what the result would be without that protection.
Thanks to them malpractice insurance is at an all time high forcing doctors
to increase their rates to protect them against frivolous lawsuits from
lawyers like Edwards using junk science and channeling.
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21 Jul 2004 01:20:04 PM |
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In article <210720040741570672%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>, David W.
Barnes <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <r5rsf0lhe08lip5vqjd1pr356siakau508@4ax.com>, BUSH=TERRORIST
<newsflash@o11.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article <srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>, Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and genuine compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his losss, John reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the reader a look beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences would be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
Only the Republicans would think like this. Rather than blame the true
culprit, the negligent doctors, you just want to protect the big
insurance companies.
Trail lawyers who sue doctors are protecting you. Too bad you can't
see what the result would be without that protection.
Republicans would doctors who cut off the wrong leg just walk away
without taking any responsibility. I think people are just jealous
because lawyers make a lot of money. It is human nature.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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21 Jul 2004 02:18:32 PM |
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"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041120044473%anto@sales.com...
In article <210720040741570672%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>, David W.
Barnes <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <r5rsf0lhe08lip5vqjd1pr356siakau508@4ax.com>, BUSH=TERRORIST
<newsflash@o11.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article <srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>, Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people
who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and genuine
compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the
strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his
son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his losss, John
reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the reader a look
beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences would
be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
Only the Republicans would think like this. Rather than blame the true
culprit, the negligent doctors, you just want to protect the big
insurance companies.
Trail lawyers who sue doctors are protecting you. Too bad you can't
see what the result would be without that protection.
Republicans would doctors who cut off the wrong leg just walk away
without taking any responsibility.
I am a Republican and I don't support your bigoted statement at all.
So you can either rephrase or just explain why you are a bigot.
I think people are just jealous
because lawyers make a lot of money. It is human nature.
No, it isn't the money it is the fact that some lie and cheat to get their
money.
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21 Jul 2004 09:49:26 PM |
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In article <dKmdnREZ3bhuXWPdRVn-qA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041120044473%anto@sales.com...
In article <210720040741570672%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>, David W.
Barnes <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <r5rsf0lhe08lip5vqjd1pr356siakau508@4ax.com>, BUSH=TERRORIST
<newsflash@o11.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article <srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>, Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of people
who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and genuine
compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the
strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of his
son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his losss, John
reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the reader a look
beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences would
be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
Only the Republicans would think like this. Rather than blame the true
culprit, the negligent doctors, you just want to protect the big
insurance companies.
Trail lawyers who sue doctors are protecting you. Too bad you can't
see what the result would be without that protection.
Republicans would doctors who cut off the wrong leg just walk away
without taking any responsibility.
I am a Republican and I don't support your bigoted statement at all.
Is everything bigoted when you don't like it?
So you can either rephrase or just explain why you are a bigot.
I was talking about the Republican doctrine.
I think people are just jealous
because lawyers make a lot of money. It is human nature.
No, it isn't the money it is the fact that some lie and cheat to get their
money.
And you can back that up, right?
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
21 Jul 2004 10:40:24 PM |
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"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041949268395%anto@sales.com...
In article <dKmdnREZ3bhuXWPdRVn-qA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041120044473%anto@sales.com...
In article <210720040741570672%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>, David W.
Barnes <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <r5rsf0lhe08lip5vqjd1pr356siakau508@4ax.com>,
BUSH=TERRORIST
<newsflash@o11.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article <srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>,
Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of
people
who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some
measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and genuine
compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the
strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of
his
son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his losss, John
reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the reader a
look
beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich
from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his
money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences
would
be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
Only the Republicans would think like this. Rather than blame the
true
culprit, the negligent doctors, you just want to protect the big
insurance companies.
Trail lawyers who sue doctors are protecting you. Too bad you can't
see what the result would be without that protection.
Republicans would doctors who cut off the wrong leg just walk away
without taking any responsibility.
I am a Republican and I don't support your bigoted statement at all.
Is everything bigoted when you don't like it?
Bigotry is when you judge people based on political preference, and a few
other characteristics.
You just judged and generalized republicans. You are a bigot.
And on top of that, you are wrong.
So you can either rephrase or just explain why you are a bigot.
I was talking about the Republican doctrine.
The republican doctrine?
Care to show us this "doctrine"?
I think people are just jealous
because lawyers make a lot of money. It is human nature.
No, it isn't the money it is the fact that some lie and cheat to get
their
money.
And you can back that up, right?
Are you going to sit there and say that all lawyers are honest?
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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21 Jul 2004 11:09:03 PM |
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In article <oNadnYum5rW6qmLdRVn-ig@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041949268395%anto@sales.com...
In article <dKmdnREZ3bhuXWPdRVn-qA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041120044473%anto@sales.com...
In article <210720040741570672%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>, David W.
Barnes <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <r5rsf0lhe08lip5vqjd1pr356siakau508@4ax.com>,
BUSH=TERRORIST
<newsflash@o11.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article <srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>,
Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly of
people
who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some
measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and genuine
compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for the
strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving portrait of
his
son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his losss, John
reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the reader a
look
beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got rich
from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his
money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences
would
be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
Only the Republicans would think like this. Rather than blame the
true
culprit, the negligent doctors, you just want to protect the big
insurance companies.
Trial lawyers who sue doctors are protecting you. Too bad you can't
see what the result would be without that protection.
Republicans would doctors who cut off the wrong leg just walk away
without taking any responsibility.
I am a Republican and I don't support your bigoted statement at all.
Is everything bigoted when you don't like it?
Bigotry is when you judge people based on political preference, and a few
other characteristics.
No it isn't, chowderhead.
1. big·ot
€ (noun) [big·ots]
one who is intolerant of others
€ big·ot·ed (adjective)
€ big·ot·ed·ly (adverb)
€ big·ot·ry (noun) [big·ot·ries]
You just judged and generalized republicans. You are a bigot.
You are an idiot. LOL! You screwed up the definition again!
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigotry
And on top of that, you are wrong.
Stop generalizing.
So you can either rephrase or just explain why you are a bigot.
I was talking about the Republican doctrine.
The republican doctrine?
Care to show us this "doctrine"?
www.rnc.com
I think people are just jealous
because lawyers make a lot of money. It is human nature.
No, it isn't the money it is the fact that some lie and cheat to get
their
money.
And you can back that up, right?
Are you going to sit there and say that all lawyers are honest?
You said lie and cheat. Your ***** catching up with you?
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21 Jul 2004 11:12:31 PM |
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"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:210720042109036309%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <oNadnYum5rW6qmLdRVn-ig@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041949268395%anto@sales.com...
In article <dKmdnREZ3bhuXWPdRVn-qA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041120044473%anto@sales.com...
In article <210720040741570672%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>, David
W.
Barnes <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <r5rsf0lhe08lip5vqjd1pr356siakau508@4ax.com>,
BUSH=TERRORIST
<newsflash@o11.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article
<srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>,
Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote
in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly
of
people
who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some
measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and genuine
compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for
the
strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving portrait
of
his
son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his losss,
John
reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the reader
a
look
beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got
rich
from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his
money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences
would
be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
Only the Republicans would think like this. Rather than blame
the
true
culprit, the negligent doctors, you just want to protect the big
insurance companies.
Trial lawyers who sue doctors are protecting you. Too bad you
can't
see what the result would be without that protection.
Republicans would doctors who cut off the wrong leg just walk away
without taking any responsibility.
I am a Republican and I don't support your bigoted statement at all.
Is everything bigoted when you don't like it?
Bigotry is when you judge people based on political preference, and a
few
other characteristics.
No it isn't, chowderhead.
1. big·ot
? (noun) [big·ots]
one who is intolerant of others
? big·ot·ed (adjective)
? big·ot·ed·ly (adverb)
? big·ot·ry (noun) [big·ot·ries]
Now, lets look at the part Barnes left out.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics
and is intolerant of those who differ.
You are intolerant to those who differ...you are a bigot
You just judged and generalized republicans. You are a bigot.
You are an idiot. LOL! You screwed up the definition again!
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigotry
Again, lets look at what Barnes is leaving out.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics
and is intolerant of those who differ.
And on top of that, you are wrong.
Stop generalizing.
So you can either rephrase or just explain why you are a bigot.
I was talking about the Republican doctrine.
The republican doctrine?
Care to show us this "doctrine"?
www.rnc.com
Sorry, no doctrine there.
I think people are just jealous
because lawyers make a lot of money. It is human nature.
No, it isn't the money it is the fact that some lie and cheat to get
their
money.
And you can back that up, right?
Are you going to sit there and say that all lawyers are honest?
You said lie and cheat. Your ***** catching up with you?
I said some lie and cheat. Are you going to say that some don't?
.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
21 Jul 2004 11:58:01 PM |
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In article <KPqdnT4uLcs6o2LdRVn-hQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:210720042109036309%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <oNadnYum5rW6qmLdRVn-ig@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041949268395%anto@sales.com...
In article <dKmdnREZ3bhuXWPdRVn-qA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041120044473%anto@sales.com...
In article <210720040741570672%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>, David
W.
Barnes <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <r5rsf0lhe08lip5vqjd1pr356siakau508@4ax.com>,
BUSH=TERRORIST
<newsflash@o11.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article
<srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>,
Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> wrote
in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written movingly
of
people
who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek some
measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and genuine
compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts for
the
strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving portrait
of
his
son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his losss,
John
reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the reader
a
look
beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got
rich
from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned his
money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the consequences
would
be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
Only the Republicans would think like this. Rather than blame
the
true
culprit, the negligent doctors, you just want to protect the big
insurance companies.
Trial lawyers who sue doctors are protecting you. Too bad you
can't
see what the result would be without that protection.
Republicans would doctors who cut off the wrong leg just walk away
without taking any responsibility.
I am a Republican and I don't support your bigoted statement at all.
Is everything bigoted when you don't like it?
Bigotry is when you judge people based on political preference, and a
few
other characteristics.
No it isn't, chowderhead.
1. big·ot
? (noun) [big·ots]
one who is intolerant of others
? big·ot·ed (adjective)
? big·ot·ed·ly (adverb)
? big·ot·ry (noun) [big·ot·ries]
Now, lets look at the part Barnes left out.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics
and is intolerant of those who differ.
That must be the Heishman Dictionary of misinformation. Mine said
everything I mentioned and nothing more.
You are intolerant to those who differ...you are a bigot
LOL! As opposed to being intolerant of those who agree with me?
You just judged and generalized republicans. You are a bigot.
You are an idiot. LOL! You screwed up the definition again!
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigotry
Again, lets look at what Barnes is leaving out.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics
and is intolerant of those who differ.
Except that dictionary is the same one that says, pro-abortion is well,
no use rubbing your nose in it.
Besides, when we look at the very source you provide we get:
"The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot;
intolerance."
Nowhere does it say "One who is strongly partial to one's own group,
religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ"
Are you just lying as a general proposition now?
And on top of that, you are wrong.
Stop generalizing.
So you can either rephrase or just explain why you are a bigot.
I was talking about the Republican doctrine.
The republican doctrine?
Care to show us this "doctrine"?
www.rnc.com
Sorry, no doctrine there.
I think people are just jealous
because lawyers make a lot of money. It is human nature.
No, it isn't the money it is the fact that some lie and cheat to get
their
money.
And you can back that up, right?
Are you going to sit there and say that all lawyers are honest?
You said lie and cheat. Your ***** catching up with you?
I said some lie and cheat. Are you going to say that some don't?
What does "lie and cheat" mean to you. You seem to be using a
different language than the rest of us.
.
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| User: "Osprey" |
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| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
22 Jul 2004 12:04:42 AM |
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"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:210720042158011957%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <KPqdnT4uLcs6o2LdRVn-hQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:210720042109036309%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <oNadnYum5rW6qmLdRVn-ig@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041949268395%anto@sales.com...
In article <dKmdnREZ3bhuXWPdRVn-qA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041120044473%anto@sales.com...
In article <210720040741570672%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>,
David
W.
Barnes <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <r5rsf0lhe08lip5vqjd1pr356siakau508@4ax.com>,
BUSH=TERRORIST
<newsflash@o11.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article
<srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>,
Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote
in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written
movingly
of
people
who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek
some
measure of
justice with great skill, determination, and
genuine
compassion. He
shows a perceptive appreciation in these accounts
for
the
strength
of his clinets' character. And in the loving
portrait
of
his
son,
Wade, and the deeply touching account of his
losss,
John
reveals
the strength of his own chracter and gives the
reader
a
look
beyond
a political biography into the heart of a good
man."
-John McCain
Edwards is nothing more than a sleazy lawyer who got
rich
from
personal injury trials.
Wrong. You obviously have no clue how Edwards earned
his
money.
Furthermore, no one ever thinks about what the
consequences
would
be of
not having those lawyers out there suing.
My medical bills would be a lot lower.
Only the Republicans would think like this. Rather than
blame
the
true
culprit, the negligent doctors, you just want to protect the
big
insurance companies.
Trial lawyers who sue doctors are protecting you. Too bad
you
can't
see what the result would be without that protection.
Republicans would doctors who cut off the wrong leg just walk
away
without taking any responsibility.
I am a Republican and I don't support your bigoted statement at
all.
Is everything bigoted when you don't like it?
Bigotry is when you judge people based on political preference, and
a
few
other characteristics.
No it isn't, chowderhead.
1. big·ot
? (noun) [big·ots]
one who is intolerant of others
? big·ot·ed (adjective)
? big·ot·ed·ly (adverb)
? big·ot·ry (noun) [big·ot·ries]
Now, lets look at the part Barnes left out.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or
politics
and is intolerant of those who differ.
That must be the Heishman Dictionary of misinformation. Mine said
everything I mentioned and nothing more.
You lie again.
You are intolerant to those who differ...you are a bigot
LOL! As opposed to being intolerant of those who agree with me?
You just judged and generalized republicans. You are a bigot.
You are an idiot. LOL! You screwed up the definition again!
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigotry
Again, lets look at what Barnes is leaving out.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or
politics
and is intolerant of those who differ.
Except that dictionary is the same one that says, pro-abortion is well,
no use rubbing your nose in it.
Yea, you know what it says pro-abortion is, and it isn't what you claimed.
Besides, when we look at the very source you provide we get:
"The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot;
intolerance."
Nowhere does it say "One who is strongly partial to one's own group,
religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ"
Are you just lying as a general proposition now?
www.dictionary.com
Anyone can read it for themselves.
Don't expect Barnes to admit he was wrong, he is not capable of that.
And on top of that, you are wrong.
Stop generalizing.
So you can either rephrase or just explain why you are a bigot.
I was talking about the Republican doctrine.
The republican doctrine?
Care to show us this "doctrine"?
www.rnc.com
Sorry, no doctrine there.
I think people are just jealous
because lawyers make a lot of money. It is human nature.
No, it isn't the money it is the fact that some lie and cheat to
get
their
money.
And you can back that up, right?
Are you going to sit there and say that all lawyers are honest?
You said lie and cheat. Your ***** catching up with you?
I said some lie and cheat. Are you going to say that some don't?
What does "lie and cheat" mean to you. You seem to be using a
different language than the rest of us.
.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
|
| Title: Re: Another Conservative Jumping Off of Bush's Sinking Ship Part XVIII (re: Why Are NeoCons so Incompetent?) |
22 Jul 2004 12:45:22 AM |
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In article <C9qdndHjypR512LdRVn-ow@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:210720042158011957%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <KPqdnT4uLcs6o2LdRVn-hQ@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in message
news:210720042109036309%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com...
In article <oNadnYum5rW6qmLdRVn-ig@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041949268395%anto@sales.com...
In article <dKmdnREZ3bhuXWPdRVn-qA@comcast.com>, Osprey
<noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:
"Elmo" <anto@sales.com> wrote in message
news:210720041120044473%anto@sales.com...
In article <210720040741570672%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com>,
David
W.
Barnes <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote:
In article <r5rsf0lhe08lip5vqjd1pr356siakau508@4ax.com>,
BUSH=TERRORIST
<newsflash@o11.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:14:42 -0500, Xomicron
<xomicron@wp.pl>
wrote:
"David W. Barnes" <DumpBushInNovember@usa.com> wrote in
news:180720041735391811%DumpBushInNovember@usa.com:
In article
<srhi-9BDBAA.20340518072004@news-40.giganews.com>,
Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
In article <hDRGc.8626$%A6.2179@charlie.risq.qc.ca>,
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
"Yang, AthD (h.c)" <eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com>
wrote
in
news:695ne0leiq8la44abuj3so86lcni7se2u3@4ax.com:
"In 'Four Trials', John Edwards has written
movingly
of
people
who
were terribly wronged, and whom he helped seek
some
measure of
justi | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
