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"Words Of Truth" |
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25 Feb 2005 02:37:15 AM |
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Another Day, Another Evolutionist Fraud |
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to date
the extremely rare skull.
However, the professor's 30-year-old academic career has now ended in
disgrace after the revelation that he systematically falsified the
dates on this and numerous other "stone age" relics.
Yesterday his university in Frankfurt announced the professor had been
forced to retire because of numerous "falsehoods and manipulations".
According to experts, his deceptions may mean an entire tranche of the
history of man's development will have to be rewritten.
"Anthropology is going to have to completely revise its picture of
modern man between 40,000 and 10,000 years ago," said Thomas
Terberger, the archaeologist who discovered the hoax. "Prof Protsch's
work appeared to prove that anatomically modern humans and
Neanderthals had co-existed, and perhaps even had children together.
This now appears to be rubbish."
The scandal only came to light when Prof Protsch was caught trying to
sell his department's entire chimpanzee skull collection to the United
States.
An inquiry later established that he had also passed off fake fossils
as real ones and had plagiarised other scientists' work.
His discovery appeared to show that Neanderthals had spread much
further north than was previously known.
But his university inquiry was told that a crucial Hamburg skull
fragment, which was believed to have come from the world's oldest
German, a Neanderthal known as Hahnhöfersand Man, was actually a mere
7,500 years old, according to Oxford University's radiocarbon dating
unit. The unit established that other skulls had been wrongly dated
too.
Another of the professor's sensational finds, "Binshof-Speyer" woman,
lived in 1,300 BC and not 21,300 years ago, as he had claimed, while
"Paderborn-Sande man" (dated at 27,400 BC) only died a couple of
hundred years ago, in 1750.
"It's deeply embarrassing. Of course the university feels very bad
about this," Professor Ulrich Brandt, who led the investigation into
Prof Protsch's activities, said yesterday. "Prof Protsch refused to
meet us. But we had 10 sittings with 12 witnesses.
"Their stories about him were increasingly bizarre. After a while it
was hard to take it seriously. You had to laugh. It was just
unbelievable. At the end of the day what he did was incredible."
During their investigation, the university discovered that Prof
Protsch, 65, a flamboyant figure with a fondness for gold watches,
Porsches and Cuban cigars, was unable to work his own carbon-dating
machine.
Instead, after returning from Germany to America, where he did his
doctorate, and taking up a professorship, he had simply made things
up.
In one case he had claimed that a 50 million-year-old "half-ape"
called Adapis had been found in Switzerland, an archaeological
sensation. In reality, the ape had been dug up in France, where
several other examples had already been found.
Prof Terberger said that he grew suspicious about the professor's work
in 2001 after sending off the skull fragment to Oxford for tests.
Further tests revealed that all of the skulls dated by Prof Protsch
were in reality far younger than he had claimed, prompting Prof
Terberger and a British colleague, Martin Street, to write a
scientific paper last year.
At the same time, German police began investigating the professor for
fraud, following allegations that he had tried to sell the
university's 278 chimpanzee skulls for $70,000 to a US dealer.
Why, though, had he done it?
"If you find a skull that's more than 30,000 years old it's a
sensation. If you find three of them people notice you. It's good for
your career," Prof Terberger said. "At the end of the day it was about
ambition."
Other details of the professor's life also appeared to crumble under
scrutiny. Before he disappeared from the university's campus last
year, Prof Protsch told his students he had examined Hitler's and Eva
Braun's bones.
He also boasted of having flats in New York, Florida and California,
where, he claimed, he hung out with Arnold Schwarzenegger and Steffi
Graf. Even the professor's aristocratic title, "von Zieten", appears
to be bogus.
Far from being the descendant of a dashing general in the hussars, the
professor was the son of a Nazi MP, Wilhelm Protsch, Der Spiegel
magazine revealed last October.
The university is investigating how thousands of documents lodged in
the anthropology department relating to the Nazis' gruesome scientific
experiments in the 1930s were mysteriously shredded, allegedly under
the professor's instructions.
They also discovered that some of the 12,000 skeletons stored in the
department's "bone cellar" were missing their heads, apparently sold
to friends of the professor in the US and sympathetic dentists.
Yesterday the university admitted that it should have discovered the
professor's fabrications far earlier. But it pointed out that, like
all public servants in Germany, the high-profile anthropologist was
virtually impossible to sack, and had also proved difficult to pin
down.
"He was perfect at being evasive," Prof Brandt said yesterday. "He
would switch from saying 'it isn't really clear' to giving diffuse
statements.
"I'm not a psychologist so I can't say why he did it. But my guess is
that when he came back from the States 30 years ago he realised he
wasn't up to the job of being a professor. So he started inventing
things. It rapidly became a habit.'
Yesterday the professor, who lives in Mainz with his wife Angelina,
didn't respond to emails from the Guardian asking him to comment on
the affair. But in earlier remarks to Der Spiegel he insisted that he
was the victim of an "intrigue".
"All the disputed fossils are my personal property," he told the
magazine.
Missing links and planted stone age finds
Piltdown Man
The most infamous of all scientific frauds was unearthed in 1912 in a
Sussex gravel pit. With its huge human-like braincase and ape-like
jaw, the Piltdown Man "fossil" was named Eoanthropus dawsoni after
Charles Dawson, the solicitor and amateur archaeologist who discovered
it. For 40 years Piltdown Man was heralded as the missing link between
humans and their primate ancestors. But in 1953 scientists concluded
it was a forgery. Radiocarbon dating showed the human skull was just
600 years old, while the jawbone was that of an orang-utan. The entire
package of fossil fragments found at Piltdown - which included a
prehistoric cricket bat - had been planted.
The devil's archaeologist
Japanese archaeologist Shinichi Fujimura was so prolific at uncovering
prehistoric artefacts he earned the nickname "God's hands". At site
after site, Fujimura discovered stoneware and relics that pushed back
the limits of Japan's known history. The researcher and his stone age
finds drew international attention and rewrote text books. In November
2000 the spell was broken when a newspaper printed pictures of
Fujimura digging holes and burying objects that he later dug up and
announced as major finds. "I was tempted by the devil. I don't know
how I can apologise for what I did," he said.
Piltdown Turkey
The supposed fossil of Archaeoraptor, which was to become known as the
"Piltdown turkey", came to light in 1999 when National Geographic
magazine published an account of its discovery. It seemed to show
another missing link - this time between birds and dinosaurs.
Archaeoraptor appeared to be the remains of a large feathered bird
with the tail of a dinosaur. The fossil was smuggled out of China and
sold to a private collector in the US for L51,000. Experts were
suspicious and closer examination showed the specimen to be a
"composite" - two fossils stuck together with strong glue.
David Adam
http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/sciences/story/0,12243,1418104,00.html
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| User: "MonkeyHawk" |
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25 Feb 2005 03:38:15 AM |
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"Words Of Truth" <wordsoftruth117@hotmail.com> wrote
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to date
the extremely rare skull.
However, the professor's 30-year-old academic career has now ended in
disgrace after the revelation that he systematically falsified the
dates on this and numerous other "stone age" relics.
[snip]
See, here's the thing.
Academia uncovered this case of academic fraud.
That's the *strength* of science, not its weakness.
Now, let's put your alternative theory -- the one about talking snakes and
naked women -- to the same test.
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| User: "Matti Partonen" |
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25 Feb 2005 06:50:50 AM |
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"Words Of Truth" <wordsoftruth117@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2f709fe3.0502250037.69c90220@posting.google.com...
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to date
the extremely rare skull.
The trouble here is that nobody - except perhaps Professor Reiner Protsch
von Zieten - has been missing such a "vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals." Neanderthals and modern humans are generally
considered to be separate development lines.
Matti P.
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| User: "Rally" |
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25 Feb 2005 09:52:19 AM |
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"Matti Partonen" <matti_dot_partonen@nokia_dot.com> wrote in message
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"Words Of Truth" <wordsoftruth117@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2f709fe3.0502250037.69c90220@posting.google.com...
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to date
the extremely rare skull.
The trouble here is that nobody - except perhaps Professor Reiner
Protsch
von Zieten - has been missing such a "vital missing link between
modern
humans and Neanderthals." Neanderthals and modern humans are generally
considered to be separate development lines.
Matti P.
I was waiting for someone to mention that. There *is no missing link
between modern humans and Neanderthal humans, just a common ancestor
somewhere down the tree...
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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25 Feb 2005 10:06:46 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:52:19 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
"Matti Partonen" <matti_dot_partonen@nokia_dot.com> wrote in message
news:KaFTd.375$v4.7645@news2.nokia.com...
"Words Of Truth" <wordsoftruth117@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2f709fe3.0502250037.69c90220@posting.google.com...
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to date
the extremely rare skull.
The trouble here is that nobody - except perhaps Professor Reiner
Protsch
von Zieten - has been missing such a "vital missing link between
modern
humans and Neanderthals." Neanderthals and modern humans are generally
considered to be separate development lines.
Matti P.
I was waiting for someone to mention that. There *is no missing link
between modern humans and Neanderthal humans, just a common ancestor
somewhere down the tree...
Yea, somewhere. Nobody knows this, but hey, why not
say it's true, without the proof?
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Rally" |
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25 Feb 2005 10:19:54 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:r7ju11pi9762ij3nmg2erks1k21756rgmn@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:52:19 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
"Matti Partonen" <matti_dot_partonen@nokia_dot.com> wrote in message
news:KaFTd.375$v4.7645@news2.nokia.com...
"Words Of Truth" <wordsoftruth117@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2f709fe3.0502250037.69c90220@posting.google.com...
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as
fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to
date
the extremely rare skull.
The trouble here is that nobody - except perhaps Professor Reiner
Protsch
von Zieten - has been missing such a "vital missing link between
modern
humans and Neanderthals." Neanderthals and modern humans are
generally
considered to be separate development lines.
Matti P.
I was waiting for someone to mention that. There *is no missing
link
between modern humans and Neanderthal humans, just a common ancestor
somewhere down the tree...
Yea, somewhere. Nobody knows this, but hey, why not
say it's true, without the proof?
Oh, there's proof alright. Neanderthals and modern humans *are
considered to be separate development lines of a common ancestor. They
are not a "proto" modern man.
If you look, you can find the truth. You have to pull your nose out
of that one book you read to find it.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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25 Feb 2005 02:18:37 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:19:54 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
I was waiting for someone to mention that. There *is no missing
link
between modern humans and Neanderthal humans, just a common ancestor
somewhere down the tree...
Yea, somewhere. Nobody knows this, but hey, why not
say it's true, without the proof?
Oh, there's proof alright. Neanderthals and modern humans *are
considered to be separate development lines of a common ancestor. They
are not a "proto" modern man.
If you look, you can find the truth. You have to pull your nose out
of that one book you read to find it.
There's proof you say and then for proof, you offer
what some "consider" them to be.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Rally" |
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25 Feb 2005 03:10:14 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lv1v1117c46hef6n96e129n3bmpkuugisu@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:19:54 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
I was waiting for someone to mention that. There *is no missing
link
between modern humans and Neanderthal humans, just a common ancestor
somewhere down the tree...
Yea, somewhere. Nobody knows this, but hey, why not
say it's true, without the proof?
Oh, there's proof alright. Neanderthals and modern humans *are
considered to be separate development lines of a common ancestor. They
are not a "proto" modern man.
If you look, you can find the truth. You have to pull your nose
out
of that one book you read to find it.
There's proof you say and then for proof, you offer
what some "consider" them to be.
Excuse me, here's a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_neanderthalensis
After that, I hope you can click on some links there, and also enter
some search terms into your favorite search engine.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Another Day, Another Evolutionist Fraud |
25 Feb 2005 05:00:10 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:10:14 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lv1v1117c46hef6n96e129n3bmpkuugisu@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:19:54 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
I was waiting for someone to mention that. There *is no missing
link
between modern humans and Neanderthal humans, just a common ancestor
somewhere down the tree...
Yea, somewhere. Nobody knows this, but hey, why not
say it's true, without the proof?
Oh, there's proof alright. Neanderthals and modern humans *are
considered to be separate development lines of a common ancestor. They
are not a "proto" modern man.
If you look, you can find the truth. You have to pull your nose
out
of that one book you read to find it.
There's proof you say and then for proof, you offer
what some "consider" them to be.
Excuse me, here's a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_neanderthalensis
After that, I hope you can click on some links there, and also enter
some search terms into your favorite search engine.
It does not say what you believe. The fact is, they
did have larger brains, yet evolutionists contrary to
their own doctrines, want us to believe they were
dumber. The fact is, you could dress them up and
hardly anyone would give them a hard stare. And don't
bother with web links showing them to be hairy, etc..
You cannot tell how hairy something was from fossils.
That is an artists imagination. See link.
http://www.creationists.org/illustrator.html
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Alan Morgan" |
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| Title: Re: Another Day, Another Evolutionist Fraud |
25 Feb 2005 07:28:25 PM |
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In article <n5bv111phpr2hamc0igkj2bsbgnvcckvr6@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:10:14 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
Excuse me, here's a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_neanderthalensis
After that, I hope you can click on some links there, and also enter
some search terms into your favorite search engine.
It does not say what you believe. The fact is, they
did have larger brains, yet evolutionists contrary to
their own doctrines, want us to believe they were
dumber.
Why is this so hard to believe? There are plenty of animals with larger
brains than humans and they are all dumber than us. Neanderthals had a
larger brain than modern humans and were probably not as bright. Excuse
me whilest the foundations of science crumble about my ears.
The fact is, you could dress them up and
hardly anyone would give them a hard stare.
Probably not. They were shorter, stockier, and had a sloping forehead and
no chin. I've dated worse.
Alan
--
Defendit numerus
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Another Day, Another Evolutionist Fraud |
25 Feb 2005 07:53:14 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:28:25 +0000 (UTC), after
pondering deep thoughts,
(Alan Morgan) spake thusly:
In article <n5bv111phpr2hamc0igkj2bsbgnvcckvr6@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:10:14 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
Excuse me, here's a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_neanderthalensis
After that, I hope you can click on some links there, and also enter
some search terms into your favorite search engine.
It does not say what you believe. The fact is, they
did have larger brains, yet evolutionists contrary to
their own doctrines, want us to believe they were
dumber.
Why is this so hard to believe? There are plenty of animals with larger
brains than humans and they are all dumber than us.
We're not discussing "animals" and the fact that you
had to go there, proves my point. The fact is, that
evolution does preach that a smaller brain in what is
supposedly "ancestral man" demonstrates a lower
intelligence.
Let me help you out right up front, so that we don't
end up in the typical game.
Do NOT assume that because I am a Christian Pastor that
I am not well studied in this area.
Do NOT assume that my reading is confined to
creationist material.
Do NOT assume that I do not have a good grasp on
various sciences.
Do NOT assume that I am not capable of holding my own
in a debate regarding evolution and the various
theories involved.
I do not say this to be mean, but I'm tired of the
games. You may not play them, but frankly, in all of
usenet history since I've been here (7 years) I've run
across one person who didn't. He had my respect, even
though we disagreed in the end.
Neanderthals had a
larger brain than modern humans and were probably not as bright. Excuse
me whilest the foundations of science crumble about my ears.
See above.
The fact is, you could dress them up and
hardly anyone would give them a hard stare.
Probably not. They were shorter, stockier, and had a sloping forehead and
no chin. I've dated worse.
The "no chin" thing is a fallacy. They did indeed have
a chin and frankly, I've seen modern humans with less
chin. :)
Also, you are being dishonest (maybe unintentionally
so) when you talk about "science" crumbling down.
Science is a method, not a conclusion. What scienTISTS
may claim (and not all of them) is one thing. That
does not make it "science", any more than beer is
athletic, simply because it is served at a football
game.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Ash" |
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| Title: Re: Another Day, Another Evolutionist Fraud |
26 Feb 2005 06:20:52 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 01:28:25 +0000 (UTC), after
pondering deep thoughts,
(Alan Morgan) spake thusly:
In article <n5bv111phpr2hamc0igkj2bsbgnvcckvr6@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:10:14 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
Excuse me, here's a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_neanderthalensis
After that, I hope you can click on some links there, and also enter
some search terms into your favorite search engine.
It does not say what you believe. The fact is, they
did have larger brains, yet evolutionists contrary to
their own doctrines, want us to believe they were
dumber.
Why is this so hard to believe? There are plenty of animals with larger
brains than humans and they are all dumber than us.
We're not discussing "animals" and the fact that you
had to go there, proves my point. The fact is, that
evolution does preach that a smaller brain in what is
supposedly "ancestral man" demonstrates a lower
intelligence.
Let me help you out right up front, so that we don't
end up in the typical game.
Do NOT assume that because I am a Christian Pastor that
I am not well studied in this area.
Do NOT assume that my reading is confined to
creationist material.
Do NOT assume that I do not have a good grasp on
various sciences.
Do NOT assume that I am not capable of holding my own
in a debate regarding evolution and the various
theories involved.
These are not assumptions. You have repeatedly demonstrated them
I do not say this to be mean, but I'm tired of the
games. You may not play them, but frankly, in all of
usenet history since I've been here (7 years) I've run
across one person who didn't. He had my respect, even
though we disagreed in the end.
You are a liar. Protesting about it and insulting people who realise
this will not change the fact
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27 Feb 2005 03:48:21 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
We're not discussing "animals" and the fact that you
had to go there, proves my point.
You have no point. You have no evidence. You don't even understand
what evidence is.
Let me help you out right up front, so that we don't
end up in the typical game.
You mean where we present evidence and you run away?
Do NOT assume that because I am a Christian Pastor that
I am not well studied in this area.
We're assuming nothing. The fact is that you lie about the evidence
and then have the hypocrisy to claim some sort of moral high ground.
Do NOT assume that my reading is confined to
creationist material.
We're assuming nothing. The fact is that you lie about the evidence
and then have the hypocrisy to claim some sort of moral high ground.
Do NOT assume that I do not have a good grasp on
various sciences.
We're assuming nothing. The fact is that you lie about the evidence
and then have the hypocrisy to claim some sort of moral high ground.
Do NOT assume that I am not capable of holding my own
in a debate regarding evolution and the various
theories involved.
That's a LIE. And the proof of it is your rank cowardice in this area.
How can you possibly debate something about which you haven't the
first clue?
[Rest of pathetic lies and ***** erased]
Budikka
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| User: "Ash" |
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25 Feb 2005 06:26:59 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:10:14 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lv1v1117c46hef6n96e129n3bmpkuugisu@4ax.com...
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:19:54 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
I was waiting for someone to mention that. There *is no missing
link
between modern humans and Neanderthal humans, just a common ancestor
somewhere down the tree...
Yea, somewhere. Nobody knows this, but hey, why not
say it's true, without the proof?
Oh, there's proof alright. Neanderthals and modern humans *are
considered to be separate development lines of a common ancestor. They
are not a "proto" modern man.
If you look, you can find the truth. You have to pull your nose
out
of that one book you read to find it.
There's proof you say and then for proof, you offer
what some "consider" them to be.
Excuse me, here's a good place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_neanderthalensis
After that, I hope you can click on some links there, and also enter
some search terms into your favorite search engine.
It does not say what you believe. The fact is, they
did have larger brains, yet evolutionists contrary to
their own doctrines, want us to believe they were
dumber. The fact is, you could dress them up and
hardly anyone would give them a hard stare.
It's rude to stare, that is the only reason
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| User: "Virgil" |
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25 Feb 2005 01:47:31 PM |
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In article <r7ju11pi9762ij3nmg2erks1k21756rgmn@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:52:19 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, "Rally"
<Rally_Round@mail.removethis.newsfeeds.com> spake
thusly:
"Matti Partonen" <matti_dot_partonen@nokia_dot.com> wrote in message
news:KaFTd.375$v4.7645@news2.nokia.com...
"Words Of Truth" <wordsoftruth117@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2f709fe3.0502250037.69c90220@posting.google.com...
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to date
the extremely rare skull.
The trouble here is that nobody - except perhaps Professor Reiner
Protsch
von Zieten - has been missing such a "vital missing link between
modern
humans and Neanderthals." Neanderthals and modern humans are generally
considered to be separate development lines.
Matti P.
I was waiting for someone to mention that. There *is no missing link
between modern humans and Neanderthal humans, just a common ancestor
somewhere down the tree...
Yea, somewhere. Nobody knows this, but hey, why not
say it's true, without the proof?
Science is just taking its lead from religion in this way, of presuming
that its theories might be true and trying to find supporting evidence.
Science does have one advantage, it can change its theories to fit the
facts. Religions tend to want to change the facts to fit their
particular theories, and with so many competing religious theories of
what makes up the "true" religion, their manuverings sometimes look like
a Chinese fire drill.
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| User: "Steven L." |
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25 Feb 2005 11:07:50 AM |
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Rally wrote:
"Matti Partonen" <matti_dot_partonen@nokia_dot.com> wrote in message
news:KaFTd.375$v4.7645@news2.nokia.com...
"Words Of Truth" <wordsoftruth117@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2f709fe3.0502250037.69c90220@posting.google.com...
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to date
the extremely rare skull.
The trouble here is that nobody - except perhaps Professor Reiner Protsch
von Zieten - has been missing such a "vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals." Neanderthals and modern humans are generally
considered to be separate development lines.
Matti P.
I was waiting for someone to mention that. There *is no missing link
between modern humans and Neanderthal humans, just a common ancestor
somewhere down the tree...
Homo Heidelbergensis, most likely. Intelligent enough to have fashioned
tools and weapons, but still had a smaller brain than either Neanderthal
or Homo Sapiens:
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email:
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
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| User: "Rally" |
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25 Feb 2005 01:13:06 PM |
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:GXITd.6805$Ba3.919@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Rally wrote:
"Matti Partonen" <matti_dot_partonen@nokia_dot.com> wrote in message
news:KaFTd.375$v4.7645@news2.nokia.com...
"Words Of Truth" <wordsoftruth117@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2f709fe3.0502250037.69c90220@posting.google.com...
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as
fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to
date
the extremely rare skull.
The trouble here is that nobody - except perhaps Professor Reiner
Protsch
von Zieten - has been missing such a "vital missing link between
modern
humans and Neanderthals." Neanderthals and modern humans are
generally
considered to be separate development lines.
Matti P.
I was waiting for someone to mention that. There *is no missing
link between modern humans and Neanderthal humans, just a common
ancestor somewhere down the tree...
Homo Heidelbergensis, most likely. Intelligent enough to have
fashioned tools and weapons, but still had a smaller brain than either
Neanderthal or Homo Sapiens:
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html
Thank you, Steven.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Another Day, Another Evolutionist Fraud |
25 Feb 2005 03:54:04 PM |
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(Words Of Truth) wrote in
news:2f709fe3.0502250037.69c90220@posting.google.com:
Lessee, you've managed to list four "evolutionary" frauds, all unmasked
by "evolutionist" scientists, not "creation scientists" so-called.
Yet your message title implies that these occur daily. Aren't you a bit
confused? It's creationist frauds that occur daily. And even when
unmasked (not by "creation scientists" so-called, but by "evolutionist"
scientist AGAIN), they are rarely retracted and the creationist fraud is
usually repeated again and again by the same offender.
Any enterprise that entails prestige is, of course, open to fraud. But
creationism is not just open to it, it is, to put it bluntly, the best
con game on the planet right now. The reason is that there is no law
that can be used to prosecute the offenders. Indeed, the USA's
constitution PROTECTS them, unless they are foolish enough to name names
in their lies and even then makes it difficult to bring them to book.
Moreover, the political realities in the USA make it impossible for
judges to even charge them when they perjure themselves under oath, as
for example, they have done when alleging that their reasons for
promoting "creation science" are scientific and not based on religious
dogma.
It is somewhat ironic that sects that grew out of the oppression of
established religions in Europe, not threaten to establish their own
brand of religious impression.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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26 Feb 2005 07:09:39 PM |
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Reply to article by: (Words Of Truth)
Date written: 25 Feb 2005 00:37:15 -0800
MsgID:<2f709fe3.0502250037.69c90220@posting.google.com>
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
One fraud doesn't prove they are all frauds. A few frauds will not change the
vast majority of valid, irrefutable proofs that have been obtained, such as are
listed in the following link: http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/evol.html. I would
like to see you find a fraud in there somewhere. You can't. That site also
demonstrates that there is no longer any missing links for the human line.
Now let's be fair by using your "logic" or "reasoning" as you demonstrated in
your posting. You were trying to say that since one man, a German scholar, was
exposed as a fraud, therefore all of the history of modern man was unraveled. Of
course that isn't true, as I proved above, but consider this: Jimmy Swaggert was
a fake, Jim Bakker was a fake, all those who supported the Inquisitions and the
Crusades and all the Witch Hunts were a fake. Therefore the history of modern
Christianity unravles as all these fakes are being exposed on a continual basis.
Right?
The Sage
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My Home Page : http://members.cox.net/the.sage
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most daring liars; the men they detest the most violently are
those who try to tell them the truth" -- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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25 Feb 2005 03:37:02 AM |
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On 25 Feb 2005 00:37:15 -0800, (Words Of
Truth) wrote or quoted :
Piltdown Man
This is a very old story, an the man who perpetrated it Teilhard de
Chardin was a priest, in other words, a man like you with no respect
for science and truth.
"Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been witnessed.
Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor
of Hitler nor of Mussolini."
~ Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
on Bush's genocide in the Iraq war. 2004-11-28
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
See http://mindprod.com/iraq.html photos of Bush's war crimes
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| User: "John Baker" |
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25 Feb 2005 12:34:40 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:37:02 GMT, Roedy Green
<look-on@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote:
On 25 Feb 2005 00:37:15 -0800, (Words Of
Truth) wrote or quoted :
Piltdown Man
This is a very old story, an the man who perpetrated it Teilhard de
Chardin was a priest, in other words, a man like you with no respect
for science and truth.
No one knows for sure who the actual perpetrator(s) of the Piltdown
hoax were, but suspects include, as you mentioned, Pierre Teilhard de
Chardin, Charles Dawson, Grafton Smith, Martin Hinton and even Sir
Arthur Conan Doyle, although based on his actions in the Cottingley
affair, I'd think Doyle would be more likely to fall for something
like Piltdown than to perpetrate it.
For what it's worth, my money's on Dawson as the main culprit.
"Never in human history have such genocide and cruelty been witnessed.
Such a genocide was never seen in the time of the pharaohs nor
of Hitler nor of Mussolini."
~ Mehmet Elkatmi, head of Turkish parliament's human rights commission
on Bush's genocide in the Iraq war. 2004-11-28
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| User: "JPG" |
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| Title: Re: Another Day, Another Evolutionist Fraud |
25 Feb 2005 03:19:04 AM |
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On 25 Feb 2005 00:37:15 -0800, (Words Of Truth)
wrote:
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to date
the extremely rare skull.
I'm not sure why you post this *****, Raymond - I mean, so an old prof falsifies
some results, so what's new? Whatever, it makes one jot of difference to the
Theory of Evolution which is accepted as fact by just about everyone except for
the terminally religiously indoctrinated.
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| User: "z" |
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25 Feb 2005 03:50:49 AM |
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JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote in
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Whatever, it makes one jot of
difference to the Theory of Evolution which is accepted as fact by
just about everyone except for the terminally religiously
indoctrinated.
Evolution isn't accepted as fact, its accepted as the current best fit to
known evidence -- say compared to an invisible power that created
everything. As a theory it fits better than the alternatives, but don't
use the F word with evolution, as you cannot falsify it easily. Facts are
for those with faith – probabilities are for those with reason.
-z@yada
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| User: "JPG" |
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25 Feb 2005 06:30:10 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:50:49 -0600, z <z@yada.yada.com> wrote:
JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:k4rt11h99442v1bdherl4vmh9cga639q69@4ax.com:
Whatever, it makes one jot of
difference to the Theory of Evolution which is accepted as fact by
just about everyone except for the terminally religiously
indoctrinated.
Evolution isn't accepted as fact, its accepted as the current best fit to
known evidence -- say compared to an invisible power that created
everything. As a theory it fits better than the alternatives, but don't
use the F word with evolution, as you cannot falsify it easily. Facts are
for those with faith – probabilities are for those with reason.
-z@yada
Unnecessary nit-pick, evolution in a broad sense and apart from some detail, is
accepted as fact.
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| User: "z" |
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25 Feb 2005 03:52:31 PM |
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JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:sc6u115qqfhd8ssma8c73euveo3irkr4cc@4ax.com:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:50:49 -0600, z <z@yada.yada.com> wrote:
JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:k4rt11h99442v1bdherl4vmh9cga639q69@4ax.com:
Whatever, it makes one jot of
difference to the Theory of Evolution which is accepted as fact by
just about everyone except for the terminally religiously
indoctrinated.
Evolution isn't accepted as fact, its accepted as the current best fit
to known evidence -- say compared to an invisible power that created
everything. As a theory it fits better than the alternatives, but
don't use the F word with evolution, as you cannot falsify it easily.
Facts are for those with faith – probabilities are for those with
reason.
-z@yada
Unnecessary nit-pick, evolution in a broad sense and apart from some
detail, is accepted as fact.
Scientists do that -- nit-pick. Thats the whole point
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| User: "JPG" |
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25 Feb 2005 04:00:50 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:52:31 -0600, z <z@yada.yada.com> wrote:
JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:sc6u115qqfhd8ssma8c73euveo3irkr4cc@4ax.com:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:50:49 -0600, z <z@yada.yada.com> wrote:
JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:k4rt11h99442v1bdherl4vmh9cga639q69@4ax.com:
Whatever, it makes one jot of
difference to the Theory of Evolution which is accepted as fact by
just about everyone except for the terminally religiously
indoctrinated.
Evolution isn't accepted as fact, its accepted as the current best fit
to known evidence -- say compared to an invisible power that created
everything. As a theory it fits better than the alternatives, but
don't use the F word with evolution, as you cannot falsify it easily.
Facts are for those with faith – probabilities are for those with
reason.
-z@yada
Unnecessary nit-pick, evolution in a broad sense and apart from some
detail, is accepted as fact.
Scientists do that -- nit-pick. Thats the whole point
I know, I'm a scientist. I'm stating the popular reality, not the
scientific nit-pick.
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| User: "Glenn Arnold" |
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25 Feb 2005 04:05:52 PM |
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z wrote:
JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:k4rt11h99442v1bdherl4vmh9cga639q69@4ax.com:
Whatever, it makes one jot of
difference to the Theory of Evolution which is accepted as fact by
just about everyone except for the terminally religiously
indoctrinated.
Evolution isn't accepted as fact, its accepted as the current best fit to
known evidence -- say compared to an invisible power that created
everything. As a theory it fits better than the alternatives, but don't
use the F word with evolution, as you cannot falsify it easily. Facts are
for those with faith – probabilities are for those with reason.
-z@yada
The term "theory" (as part of the scientific process) is defined as a
hypothesis that has been tested and shown to work reliably under certain
circumstances. In other words: a fact, but perhaps one that can not be
universally applied.
The only reason evolution is not elevated in status to a "law" is that
it cannot be tested to exhaustion. That is, it's not possible to test
every possible combination of DNA through evolutionary processes.
But components of evolution, such as the "law of natural selection," the
"law of recombination" and the "law of mutation," have been proven by
argument from first principles, in combination with experimentation. In
fact, they are considered "elegant" due to their simplicity.
Glenn Arnold
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25 Feb 2005 09:24:48 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:19:04 +0000, JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On 25 Feb 2005 00:37:15 -0800, (Words Of Truth)
wrote:
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to date
the extremely rare skull.
I'm not sure why you post this *****, Raymond - I mean, so an old prof falsifies
some results, so what's new? Whatever, it makes one jot of difference to the
Theory of Evolution which is accepted as fact by just about everyone except for
the terminally religiously indoctrinated.
A theory can't be accepted as a fact. I believe evolution explains
ourselves and the diversity of species more correctly than competing
explanations, for now. But the mumbo-jumboists and creationists are
correct in describing evolution as "just a theory." Science is always
wrong, and admits it. Religion is always wrong, and never admits it.
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| User: "Eyeball Kid" |
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25 Feb 2005 08:35:31 PM |
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In article <clgu111d9mfgtmle3lfa4cgkoi597ge4m2@4ax.com>, beber
<buplerum@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:19:04 +0000, JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On 25 Feb 2005 00:37:15 -0800, (Words Of Truth)
wrote:
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to date
the extremely rare skull.
I'm not sure why you post this *****, Raymond - I mean, so an old prof
falsifies
some results, so what's new? Whatever, it makes one jot of difference to the
Theory of Evolution which is accepted as fact by just about everyone except
for
the terminally religiously indoctrinated.
A theory can't be accepted as a fact. I believe evolution explains
ourselves and the diversity of species more correctly than competing
explanations, for now. But the mumbo-jumboists and creationists are
correct in describing evolution as "just a theory."
Only because they corrupt the definition of "theory" , which to them,
is more like an amusing moment. "Hmm.. I wonder if man came
from...apes." Or, "Hmm...I think that the point of light I see in the
night sky is a...star! Wah-lah! Now let's prove that it's a star!"
That's a naive idea of how theories are formed, but that's a layman's
perspective.
E. K.
Science is always
wrong, and admits it. Religion is always wrong, and never admits it.
--
"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he
makes and we should just support that."-Britney Spears, 9/2003
"The American Way of Life is not negotiable." ***** Cheney, 2001
Free humor. Whenever you want. http://www.psmueller.com
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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25 Feb 2005 09:42:30 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:24:48 -0600, after pondering
deep thoughts, beber <buplerum@yahoo.com> spake thusly:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:19:04 +0000, JPG <me@privacy.net> wrote:
On 25 Feb 2005 00:37:15 -0800, (Words Of Truth)
wrote:
History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud
Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries
Luke Harding in Berlin
Saturday February 19, 2005
The Guardian
It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The
skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than
36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern
humans and Neanderthals.
This, at least, is what Professor Reiner Protsch von Zieten - a
distinguished, cigar-smoking German anthropologist - told his
scientific colleagues, to global acclaim, after being invited to date
the extremely rare skull.
I'm not sure why you post this *****, Raymond - I mean, so an old prof falsifies
some results, so what's new? Whatever, it makes one jot of difference to the
Theory of Evolution which is accepted as fact by just about everyone except for
the terminally religiously indoctrinated.
A theory can't be accepted as a fact. I believe evolution explains
ourselves and the diversity of species more correctly than competing
explanations, for now. But the mumbo-jumboists and creationists are
correct in describing evolution as "just a theory." Science is always
wrong, and admits it. Religion is always wrong, and never admits it.
Those are false statements.
Evolution explains nothing, since macroevolution cannot
be observed. That means that it is made up.
Trying to equate scientists with science, is an
intentional fallacy on your part. Science is a method,
not a person, nor a group of people.
Scientists do not admit when they're wrong. In fact,
they get convicted of fraud, which means they
perpetrate frauds.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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| Title: Re: Another Day, Another Evolutionist Fraud |
25 Feb 2005 03:14:07 PM |
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Dumbass statement, Pastor Dave. Macroevolution is observed
continually.
"Natural Selection, in evolution, the process by which environmental
effects lead to varying degrees of reproductive success among
individuals of a population of organisms with different hereditary
characters, or traits." - Microsoft =AE Encarta =AE Reference Library
2005. =A9 1993-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Having spent many years in agricultural chemical research, I would
suggest to you that Natural Selection (Darwin's explanation for the
mechanism of evolution) is both real and provable. A particularly
striking example is the development of chemical resistance in insects
and plants. In many cases, when house flies are treated with a
prescribed dose of an insecticide, up to 99% or more of the population
may die. When the survivors are allowed to breed, the next generation
will have a higher percentage of survivors than the first. If you
continue the process for several generations, eventually the entire
population can become resistant to the effects of the insecticide. We
can observe this phenomenon because the brief life span of the house
fly allows us to see what happens over many generations in a relatively
short time. As it turns out, the development of "resistance" is very
common and occurs by the process of evolution. In other words, one can
design an experiment that clearly demonstrates the effects of
environmental stress on the genetic traits of a species. That is the
definition of evolution. On the other hand, there is NO experiment
that can physically demonstrate the process of creationism.
Pastor Dave wrote:
[snip]
Evolution explains nothing, since macroevolution cannot
be observed. That means that it is made up.
=20
[snip]
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