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Religions > Atheism |
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"Kevin Williams" |
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29 Oct 2003 11:57:54 PM |
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Another example of bush not getting it. |
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:32:19 -0600, Kevin Williams wrote:
I didn't say they were Iraqis. I said they were Arab Muslims.
Okay. So why are we spending all our resources getting bogged down in Iraq?
I don't believe we are spending all of our resources in Iraq. We have
lots of resources and if we had spent all of them in Iraq on 12
September 2001, Iraq would no longer exist. Nor would Saudi Arabia,
Iran, Syria, etc.
You know, members of the Ummah. The ones who want to kill you and me.
Yeah, there are people who want to kill us. They're called "terrorists"
Good on you. I've seen many people who don't acknowledge that there
are people in this world who want to kill us. I'm glad you realize
this.
and they're not limited to Arab anything or even Arabs. Or was the OKC bombing a love note?
Quite right. I don't remember saying that Arab Muslims are the only
people who want to kill you and me. They're just the most prevalent
of the many people who want to kill us. There are many non-Arab
Muslims, for example, who want us dead. Iran is one example. They
have sadly been infected by the Arab Muslim world-view.
Speaking of Timothy McVeigh, he was tracked, caught, tried and
executed by the U.S. authorities. Unfortunately, the people who
planned and approved of the attacks on New York, Washington, and
Pennsylavania are still at large.
I'm trying to point out that there is no distinction in the Muslim
world between Christians, Jews, and atheists. We are all infidels to
Muslims.
Out of, what, some billion or so Muslims, the actions of a relative handful indicate what ALL of them think?
The ones I have heard from, yes. Mostly the leaders. If they can't
prevent what you consider a small minority of them from killing us,
and calling for our destruction, then I really don't care about their
fate.
I'm only concerned with what they do and say they will do. So far,
the Islamic world has killed about 3000 people in the United States.
I don't want anymore of us to be killed.
If that many people are trying to kill us, you'd think more of us would be dead...
If they had the ability, yes. Intent is not directly correlated with
ability. We can destroy them; they can't destroy us.
That's why we have to do our best to limit their ability.
Look, I've read your postings for many years and have respected your
liberal, democratic views which I mostly share.
I'm sure you're more intelligent than I am. I'm just trying to think
out what we can do.
I can think of only four options available to us:
1 - We surrender
2 - They reform
3 - We qurantine them
4 - We annihilate them
Option 1 - We surrender to all of the Islamic demands. We remove all
of our troops from Arabic lands. We destroy the "Israeli entity." We
give back all of the lands Islam once controlled, including Andalusia.
We replace our Constitution with Sharia.
Option 2 - They become liberal, secular democracies. Equal rights for
all, including women. Freedom of religion and freedom from state
supported religion. No discrimation based on religion, sex, ethinc
origion, sexual orientation, etc.
Option 3 - No contact or trade between the Muslim world and the evil,
secular world. No technology in. No money in. No evil culture in.
No oil out. Absolute quarantine.
Option 4 - Well, I suppose it's self-explanatory. The lands of Allah
become molton seas of lava.
At this point, the goverment of the United States is trying option 2:
establish a secular, democratic government in Iraq and see if it
spreads. I hope it works; I really hope it does.
But if it doesn't, what do we do then?
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| User: "Mylon" |
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| Title: Re: Another example of bush not getting it. |
31 Oct 2003 10:10:19 AM |
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"Kevin Williams" <kevinw@spamblocked.com> wrote in message
news:ki51qvoaov7jh1lths3o5hbin8mvcnk9m1@4ax.com...
I can think of only four options available to us:
1 - We surrender
2 - They reform
3 - We qurantine them
4 - We annihilate them
Option 1 - We surrender to all of the Islamic demands. We remove all
of our troops from Arabic lands. We destroy the "Israeli entity." We
give back all of the lands Islam once controlled, including Andalusia.
We replace our Constitution with Sharia.
I think they'd be quite happy with just the first part and we remove all of
our troops. Granted, they probably won't be entirely satisfied, but without
troops in the region or any support given to Israel, we won't stick out like
such a sore thumb like we do now.
Option 2 - They become liberal, secular democracies. Equal rights for
all, including women. Freedom of religion and freedom from state
supported religion. No discrimation based on religion, sex, ethinc
origion, sexual orientation, etc.
Hah, we've been trying to do that to Christians here for years. As long as
there are Christians, I think there will be some minority that will always
want a 10 commandments monument or some sort. This is quite probably the
same with Muslims.
Option 3 - No contact or trade between the Muslim world and the evil,
secular world. No technology in. No money in. No evil culture in.
No oil out. Absolute quarantine.
This hasn't worked for Cuba or Iraq pre-Gulf War 2.0, so I doubt it would
work elsewhere. If an absolute quarantine is maintained, people won't learn
about democracy and generally keep on doing things they way they have. If
we can bring them partial prosperity and give them the hint that better
prosperity will happen if they reform, this might be more effective. In the
meantime, there would be less civillians suffering due to restrictions on
vital trade goods.
Option 4 - Well, I suppose it's self-explanatory. The lands of Allah
become molton seas of lava.
It may sound fun, but there are too many innocents in the way. Yes, some
Muslims are innocent.
At this point, the goverment of the United States is trying option 2:
establish a secular, democratic government in Iraq and see if it
spreads. I hope it works; I really hope it does.
But if it doesn't, what do we do then?
I'd prefer option 1. The 11th of September attacks did not happen to...
Say... France. Then again, I'm rather unfamiliar with any Al Queada
activity in Europe.
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