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"Budikka" |
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07 Apr 2004 08:26:52 PM |
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Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms from
human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies and
saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was so
lousy that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to prevent
these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Budikka
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| User: "Randy Story" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 12:59:23 AM |
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"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0404071726.1a8c804@posting.google.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms from
human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies and
saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was so
lousy that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to prevent
these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Budikka
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it. Since the fall the interralationships between creatures has slowly
deteriorated. Many aprasite in the ground actually work in perfect harmony,
its just when they get into another creatures body they wreck havoc. Someday
all will be in harmony again. Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
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| User: "Maverick" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 05:47:05 AM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:1079qq5npgpkv8e@corp.supernews.com:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0404071726.1a8c804@posting.google.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms
from human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies
and saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was
so lousy that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to
prevent these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Budikka
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man
corrupted it. Since the fall the interralationships between creatures
has slowly deteriorated. Many aprasite in the ground actually work in
perfect harmony, its just when they get into another creatures body
they wreck havoc. Someday all will be in harmony again. Remember the
verse "the lion will lie down with the lamb."
What do you base all this on?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 07:44:30 AM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:1079qq5npgpkv8e@corp.supernews.com:
Remember the verse "the lion will lie down with the lamb."
It's easy to get the lion to lie down with the lamb, but it does go through
a lot of lambs.
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
Cthulhu for President! Why vote for a lesser evil?
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| User: "Budikka" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
17 Apr 2004 03:54:02 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94C558EDDAA5Bfstone69@207.69.154.203>...
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in
news:1079qq5npgpkv8e@corp.supernews.com:
Remember the verse "the lion will lie down with the lamb."
It's easy to get the lion to lie down with the lamb, but it does go through
a lot of lambs.
Do you still hear the lambs, Clarice?
B.
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 01:32:48 AM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:1079qq5npgpkv8e@corp.supernews.com...
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0404071726.1a8c804@posting.google.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms from
human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies and
saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was so
lousy that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to prevent
these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Budikka
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man
corrupted
it. Since the fall the interralationships between creatures has slowly
deteriorated. Many aprasite in the ground actually work in perfect
harmony,
its just when they get into another creatures body they wreck havoc.
Someday
all will be in harmony again. Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
Randy, you idiot, he's not saying the parasites are BAD. The parasites are
GOOD, it's the design that requires symbiotic parasites to function properly
that's BAD.
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "L. Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 01:49:31 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:1079qq5npgpkv8e@corp.supernews.com...
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man
corrupted
it. Since the fall the interralationships between creatures has slowly
deteriorated. Many aprasite in the ground actually work in perfect
harmony,
its just when they get into another creatures body they wreck havoc.
Someday
all will be in harmony again. Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
Randy, you idiot, he's not saying the parasites are BAD. The parasites are
GOOD, it's the design that requires symbiotic parasites to function properly
that's BAD.
Don't chastise him, Mr. Loubet. He's Christian. His knee-jerk
defense of parasites is just professional courtesy.
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L. Raymond
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
10 Apr 2004 08:38:59 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 06:49:31 GMT, L. Raymond
<baddaddress@mylinuxisp.com>, Message ID:
<4074f5be.1693458@news.mylinuxisp.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:1079qq5npgpkv8e@corp.supernews.com...
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man
corrupted
it. Since the fall the interralationships between creatures has slowly
deteriorated. Many aprasite in the ground actually work in perfect
harmony,
its just when they get into another creatures body they wreck havoc.
Someday
all will be in harmony again. Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
Randy, you idiot, he's not saying the parasites are BAD. The parasites are
GOOD, it's the design that requires symbiotic parasites to function properly
that's BAD.
Don't chastise him, Mr. Loubet. He's Christian. His knee-jerk
defense of parasites is just professional courtesy.
(tip of cap) Very appropriate description, Ms. Raymond.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "James Young" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 06:33:25 AM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Randy, you idiot, he's not saying the parasites are BAD. The parasites are
GOOD, it's the design that requires symbiotic parasites to function properly
that's BAD.
Why?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
10 Apr 2004 08:39:37 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:33:25 GMT, James Young <jpyoung2000@hotmail.com>,
Message ID: <csha70t9lvk6lqk6uh4pui9a8nim4n6tav@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
Randy, you idiot, he's not saying the parasites are BAD. The parasites are
GOOD, it's the design that requires symbiotic parasites to function properly
that's BAD.
Why?
***** poor design. Highly inefficient.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "coastie" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 10:23:48 AM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in message news:<1079qq5npgpkv8e@corp.supernews.com>...
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0404071726.1a8c804@posting.google.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms from
human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies and
saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was so
lousy that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to prevent
these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Budikka
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it. Since the fall the interralationships between creatures has slowly
deteriorated. Many aprasite in the ground actually work in perfect harmony,
its just when they get into another creatures body they wreck havoc. Someday
all will be in harmony again. Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
If man was created perfectly before the *fall*, then the digestive
system (DS)
must have been a perfect system. But the DS includes the intestines
which is
designed to rid the body of the food particles that we can't digest.
To me,
that means either the *perfect* human DS was not so perfect, or the
food was not *perfect*. Couldn't your *god* create a human that was
not so dependant
on being fueled several times a day to stay alive?
Coastie
One man's religion is another man's superstition
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| User: "Budikka" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
17 Apr 2004 03:51:26 AM |
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"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in message news:<1079qq5npgpkv8e@corp.supernews.com>...
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it.
You seem to forget that you've been asked repeatedly how a perfect god
could create imperfect beings and then be surprised, or even perturbed
in any way at all, by the imperfection. Care to answer that? And I
mean answer it, not blather meaningless drivel or run away from this
thread like you've run away from every other single thread in which
I've challenged you.
Since the fall the interralationships between creatures has slowly
deteriorated.
Once again, how is it possible for these things to deteriorate if the
world was created perfectly by a perfect being who is omniscient and
omnipotent and had all eternity and infinite resources at his command?
Many aprasite in the ground actually work in perfect harmony,
********* The reason they are called **PARASITES** in the first
place is because they are harmful to the creatures upon whom they
prey. Otherwise, they'd be called symbionts.
its just when they get into another creatures body they wreck havoc.
You still need to explain why your god failed to foresee this, or
having forseen it, failed to take steps to prevent it, or having
refused to prevent it, how he can live with himself for causing so
much suffering to so many sentient creatures.
Someday
all will be in harmony again. Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
And your evidence for this is where?
BTW, I'm still waiting on you answering these questions that once
again you have quietly run away from in another thread, even though
*this* list of questions is considerably shorter than the previous
list of unanswered questions which you also ran away from in two other
threads:
1. What, exactly, in your view, does the fossil record represent? In
other words, how did it come to be and obtain the composition it has?
2. Why is the fossil record ordered, typically evidencing the simplest
life forms in the lowest rock strata, and only showing modern life
forms - the ones we are typically familiar with, in the uppermost
levels? Why is there, for example, not one single elephant fossil
with the dinosaurs? Why is there not one single human bone found in
Precambrian rocks?
3. Why does the massive bulk of the fossil record have no fossils, or
is composed solely of single-celled fossils or simple multi-celled
organisms?
4. What is the scientific definition of "kind"?
5. What is the mechanism which prevents one of these "kinds" from
changing into another "kind"?
Is that simple and short-winded enough for your intellect? If not,
why not answer one of the other questions I've asked you to already:
1. What are the five best evidences showing that a god created life?
2. What are the five best refutations of evolution?
3. Can you list even one science paper published in a standard science
journal which refutes evolution?
4. Can you list even one science paper published in a standard science
journal which explains the diversity, distribution and genetic
composition of living things better than the Theory of Evolution does?
Please, before you post any more high-school level drivel and blather,
start answering some hard questions with which you've been repeatedly
challenged.
Budikka
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| User: "" |
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| Title: I agree--when ----Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
17 Apr 2004 11:13:48 AM |
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From: (Budikka)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
Date: 17 Apr 2004 01:51:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design
"Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com> wrote in message
news:<1079qq5npgpkv8e@corp.supernews.com>...
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly
what replicable under controlled circumstances have you for saying that?
and it is true that man corrupted it.
what replicable under controlled circumstances have you for saying that?
You seem to forget that you've been asked repeatedly how a perfect god
could create imperfect beings and then be surprised, or even perturbed
in any way at all, by the imperfection. Care to answer that? And I
mean answer it, not blather meaningless drivel or run away from this
thread like you've run away from every other single thread in which
I've challenged you.
Since the fall the interralationships between creatures has slowly
deteriorated.
what replicable under controlled circumstances have you for saying that?
Once again, how is it possible for these things to deteriorate if the
world was created perfectly by a perfect being who is omniscient and
omnipotent and had all eternity and infinite resources at his command?
Many aprasite in the ground actually work in perfect harmony,
********* The reason they are called **PARASITES** in the first
place is because they are harmful to the creatures upon whom they
prey. Otherwise, they'd be called symbionts.
its just when they get into another creatures body they wreck havoc.
You still need to explain why your god failed to foresee this, or
having forseen it, failed to take steps to prevent it, or having
refused to prevent it, how he can live with himself for causing so
much suffering to so many sentient creatures.
Someday
all will be in harmony again.
I agree -- when people stop believing in a god and instead take the
responsibility to learn to actually warmth love each other.
Mombasha
Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
And your evidence for this is where?
BTW, I'm still waiting on you answering these questions that once
again you have quietly run away from in another thread, even though
*this* list of questions is considerably shorter than the previous
list of unanswered questions which you also ran away from in two other
threads:
1. What, exactly, in your view, does the fossil record represent? In
other words, how did it come to be and obtain the composition it has?
2. Why is the fossil record ordered, typically evidencing the simplest
life forms in the lowest rock strata, and only showing modern life
forms - the ones we are typically familiar with, in the uppermost
levels? Why is there, for example, not one single elephant fossil
with the dinosaurs? Why is there not one single human bone found in
Precambrian rocks?
3. Why does the massive bulk of the fossil record have no fossils, or
is composed solely of single-celled fossils or simple multi-celled
organisms?
4. What is the scientific definition of "kind"?
5. What is the mechanism which prevents one of these "kinds" from
changing into another "kind"?
Is that simple and short-winded enough for your intellect? If not,
why not answer one of the other questions I've asked you to already:
1. What are the five best evidences showing that a god created life?
2. What are the five best refutations of evolution?
3. Can you list even one science paper published in a standard science
journal which refutes evolution?
4. Can you list even one science paper published in a standard science
journal which explains the diversity, distribution and genetic
composition of living things better than the Theory of Evolution does?
Please, before you post any more high-school level drivel and blather,
start answering some hard questions with which you've been repeatedly
challenged.
Budikka
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| User: "Phillip Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 01:51:25 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, Randy Story wrote:
Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
cooked with garlic, rosemary and served with mint jelly
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phillip brown
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 02:43:03 AM |
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"Phillip Brown" <phillipbrownau@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.04.08.06.51.25.15913@netscape.net...
On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, Randy Story wrote:
Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
cooked with garlic, rosemary and served with mint jelly
I have never tried lion that way...thanks!!!
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| User: "Jos Flachs" |
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08 Apr 2004 05:36:54 AM |
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On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, Randy Story wrote:
Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
.... but the lamb won't get much sleep.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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09 Apr 2004 10:25:46 AM |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700 the ET form known as Randy
Story<rstorynw@olypen.com> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse
of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it. Since the fall the interralationships between creatures has slowly
deteriorated. Many aprasite in the ground actually work in perfect harmony,
its just when they get into another creatures body they wreck havoc. Someday
all will be in harmony again. Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
What about the happy little parasites? Did they create themselves when
man "fell"? Or did humans create this life form? Because you're not
going to give your god any responsibility for purposely creating them.
--
epicurus1*at*optusnet*dot*com*dot*au
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet -
Evil Atheist Conspiracy
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever
conceived." - Isaac Asimov
Fingerprint for PGP Keys at key server or go to
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~pk1956/
RSA - 71 BA 7C 45 B5 4A 5F EA 72 DB EC 7F 7F A8 70 99
DSS - 9217 21A9 9C3F EB0B E302 AD0E 69C5 0F06 402E 0943
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 02:26:02 PM |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0404071726.1a8c804@posting.google.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms from
human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies and
saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was so
lousy that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to prevent
these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Budikka
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it.
Human beings were created perfectly. Human beings corrupted creation.
Randy sees no contradiction.
Since the fall the interralationships between creatures has slowly
deteriorated. Many aprasite in the ground actually work in perfect harmony,
its just when they get into another creatures body they wreck havoc. Someday
all will be in harmony again. Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
What kind of teeth did the lion have before the fall?
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Beowulf" |
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09 Apr 2004 09:25:18 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:02 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> ejaculated:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it.
Human beings were created perfectly. Human beings corrupted creation.
Randy sees no contradiction.
Well, don't forget that according to the Gospels Jesus was born in
both 4BC and 6AD. This, too, is not a contradiction.
--
"You claimed all this time that you would die for me.
Why, then, are you so surprised when you hear your own eulogy?"
- Tool, "Eulogy"
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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10 Apr 2004 03:08:31 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:25:18 -0400, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:02 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> ejaculated:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it.
Human beings were created perfectly. Human beings corrupted creation.
Randy sees no contradiction.
Well, don't forget that according to the Gospels Jesus was born in
both 4BC and 6AD. This, too, is not a contradiction.
Certainly not!
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
10 Apr 2004 08:43:30 PM |
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:25:18 -0400, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<3hcd70hnr2m8i40egn4rigkcm3mispc0k5@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:02 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> ejaculated:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it.
Human beings were created perfectly. Human beings corrupted creation.
Randy sees no contradiction.
Well, don't forget that according to the Gospels Jesus was born in
both 4BC and 6AD. This, too, is not a contradiction.
4 BC?
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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11 Apr 2004 12:51:00 AM |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:43:30 -0700 the ET form known as
stoney<stoney@the.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse of
deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:25:18 -0400, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<3hcd70hnr2m8i40egn4rigkcm3mispc0k5@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:02 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> ejaculated:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it.
Human beings were created perfectly. Human beings corrupted creation.
Randy sees no contradiction.
Well, don't forget that according to the Gospels Jesus was born in
both 4BC and 6AD. This, too, is not a contradiction.
4 BC?
Herod died in 4 BCE which is the Matthew reference. Luke has the
census marking the birth of JC which is 6 CE but Luke also the
reference to Jesus starting his preaching at 30 in the fifteenth year
of the reign of Tiberious which gives JC yet another birthday of 1 CE.
Here we have 2 books contradicting each other and one book even
contradicting itself.
But the buybull is without error.
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| Title: Re: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
12 Apr 2004 09:50:00 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:21:00 +0930, Meteorite Debris <abuse@yahoo.com>
ejaculated:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:43:30 -0700 the ET form known as
stoney<stoney@the.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse of
deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:25:18 -0400, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
Well, don't forget that according to the Gospels Jesus was born in
both 4BC and 6AD. This, too, is not a contradiction.
4 BC?
Actually, it would have to have been some time prior to 4BC because
Jesus was born while Herod was still alive and Herod had time after
Jesus's birth to kill all the 2 year olds (another event which there
is no mention of outside the Bible).
Herod died in 4 BCE which is the Matthew reference. Luke has the
census marking the birth of JC which is 6 CE but Luke also the
reference to Jesus starting his preaching at 30 in the fifteenth year
of the reign of Tiberious which gives JC yet another birthday of 1 CE.
Here we have 2 books contradicting each other and one book even
contradicting itself.
But the buybull is without error.
It's obvious.
--
"You claimed all this time that you would die for me.
Why, then, are you so surprised when you hear your own eulogy?"
- Tool, "Eulogy"
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
11 Apr 2004 06:27:52 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:21:00 +0930, Meteorite Debris <abuse@yahoo.com>,
Message ID: <MPG.1ae364abaef728fd989d79@news.optusnet.com.au> wrote in
alt.atheism;
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:43:30 -0700 the ET form known as
stoney<stoney@the.net> sent a radio signal across the vast expanse of
deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 10:25:18 -0400, Beowulf
<beowulf_is_not_here@hotmail.com>, Message ID:
<3hcd70hnr2m8i40egn4rigkcm3mispc0k5@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:02 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk> ejaculated:
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it.
Human beings were created perfectly. Human beings corrupted creation.
Randy sees no contradiction.
Well, don't forget that according to the Gospels Jesus was born in
both 4BC and 6AD. This, too, is not a contradiction.
4 BC?
Herod died in 4 BCE which is the Matthew reference. Luke has the
census marking the birth of JC which is 6 CE but Luke also the
reference to Jesus starting his preaching at 30 in the fifteenth year
of the reign of Tiberious which gives JC yet another birthday of 1 CE.
Here we have 2 books contradicting each other and one book even
contradicting itself.
Ah. Thank you.
But the buybull is without error.
Of course! "God" said so.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
10 Apr 2004 08:42:51 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:02 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk>, Message ID:
<ci8b70pca3hn42j9mjfcq8b2au0qu2u4c2@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0404071726.1a8c804@posting.google.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms from
human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies and
saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was so
lousy that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to prevent
these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Budikka
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it.
Human beings were created perfectly. Human beings corrupted creation.
Randy sees no contradiction.
Randy has no brain.
Since the fall the interralationships between creatures has slowly
deteriorated. Many aprasite in the ground actually work in perfect harmony,
its just when they get into another creatures body they wreck havoc. Someday
all will be in harmony again. Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
What kind of teeth did the lion have before the fall?
Nun, of course.....
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 01:12:51 AM |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>
wrote:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0404071726.1a8c804@posting.google.com...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms from
human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies and
saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was so
lousy that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to prevent
these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Budikka
You seem to forget the Christian doctrine of the *fall*.
We only say that it was created prefectly and it is true that man corrupted
it. Since the fall the interralationships between creatures has slowly
deteriorated. Many aprasite in the ground actually work in perfect harmony,
its just when they get into another creatures body they wreck havoc. Someday
all will be in harmony again. Remember the verse "the lion will lie down
with the lamb."
Can you show us any bible texts that say that the fall deteriorated
the human body?
--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
10 Apr 2004 08:41:45 PM |
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:59:23 -0700, "Randy Story" <rstorynw@olypen.com>,
Message ID: <1079qq5npgpkv8e@corp.supernews.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
Remember the verses; "Bats are birds. Rabbits chew their cud. A man can
live in the belly of a whale for three days. People can turn into pillars of salt.
Tossing your virgin daughters to be raped by a mob is 'righteous.'
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "James Young" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 06:42:09 AM |
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On 7 Apr 2004 18:26:52 -0700, (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms from
human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies and
saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was so
lousy
Not really. From all we are told about God's capabilities one has to
but assume it was part of the original design intent. What makes you
think that his original design wasn't working?
that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to prevent
these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Another fine example of attacking strawmen.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
08 Apr 2004 02:26:03 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:42:09 GMT, James Young
<jpyoung2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2004 18:26:52 -0700, (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms from
human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies and
saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was so
lousy
Not really. From all we are told about God's capabilities one has to
but assume it was part of the original design intent. What makes you
think that his original design wasn't working?
So he intended everything to go badly.
that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to prevent
these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Another fine example of attacking strawmen.
You have to understand that he didn't know that all the suffering and
misery were what god intended in the first place. It all makes sense
now.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
10 Apr 2004 08:44:20 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:26:03 +0200, Thomas P.
<tonyofbexarremovethis@yahoo.dk>, Message ID:
<8o8b70les4v4quq82hj7jb0gb4fo7ge7m5@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:42:09 GMT, James Young
<jpyoung2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2004 18:26:52 -0700, (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms from
human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies and
saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was so
lousy
Not really. From all we are told about God's capabilities one has to
but assume it was part of the original design intent. What makes you
think that his original design wasn't working?
So he intended everything to go badly.
Certainly, but of course, the victims are to blame.
that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to prevent
these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Another fine example of attacking strawmen.
You have to understand that he didn't know that all the suffering and
misery were what god intended in the first place. It all makes sense
now.
:))))
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: Another Example of God's Lousy Design |
10 Apr 2004 09:22:17 PM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:42:09 GMT, James Young <jpyoung2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 7 Apr 2004 18:26:52 -0700, (Budikka) wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3604189.stm
reveals that "...some scientists believe the eradication of worms from
human stomachs over the past 50 years may be behind the rise in
[inflammatory bowel diseases]".
So a perfect God, omnipotent and omniscient, designed these bodies and
saw that they were good, but quickly realized that His design was so
lousy
Not really. From all we are told about God's capabilities one has to
but assume it was part of the original design intent. What makes you
think that his original design wasn't working?
It appears that God is very powerful but very stupid. He can speak something into
existence but has no idea how it works and no control over it.
that He had to add a few nasty parasites to the mix to prevent
these bodies from developing Crohn's or colitis!
Another fine example of Intelligent Design....
Another fine example of attacking strawmen.
-Barry
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Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
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