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"TEXAS" |
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23 Jan 2004 05:20:43 PM |
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Another example of that wonderous Christian love |
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Trial Opens in Starvation of Sect Child
By DENISE LAVOIE
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) - The wife of a religious sect member did nothing
to help her infant son as she watched him starve to death in 1999, a
prosecutor said Thursday as the woman's murder trial opened.
Karen Robidoux, 28, is charged with second-degree murder for the
starvation death of her son, Samuel.
Her husband, Jacques Robidoux, was convicted of first-degree murder in
2002 and is serving a life sentence.
At his trial, former sect members testified that the couple began
withholding solid food from the boy after Jacques Robidoux's sister
said she had a vision from God instructing them to feed the boy only
his mother's breast milk.
Prosecutors say Samuel Robidoux slowly starved to death over 51 days
because his mother was pregnant and was only producing traces of
breast milk to feed Samuel.
``From day one - day one - this woman, his mother, knew what was
happening to her child, knew what was causing him to be ill, to be
weak, to suffer, and at the conclusion of 51 days, to die,''
prosecutor Walter Shea told the jury in opening statements Thursday.
Her attorney, Joseph Krowski, countered that Robidoux was under the
control of the sect and was incapable of going against her husband's
wishes.
``Jacques Robidoux was responsible for what happened,'' Krowski said.
``He was the one who was in control.''
The first witness described how the religious sect used intimidation
to control its members.
Former sect member Dennis Mingo testified Thursday that after he
married into the group, he was told what to eat, instructed not to
wear eyeglass or go to the doctor, and ordered to paddle his children
as discipline.
Mingo also discovered Jacques Robidoux's diary, which was crucial to
the prosecution of the sect members. After reading the diary, Mingo
went to police with his concerns about the well-being of the children
of sect members, sparking the investigation and a search for the
bodies of Samuel and another child in northern Maine.
In the diary, Jacques Robidoux described how Samuel went from being a
healthy 10-month-old taking his first steps to a weak, emaciated boy
who could no longer crawl.
Karen Robidoux's trial was delayed for months after a psychologist
found her too emotionally distraught to stand trial. She received
psychiatric treatment, and a judge in September found her competent to
stand trial.
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| User: "Troy" |
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| Title: Re: Another example of that wonderous Christian love |
23 Jan 2004 05:57:22 PM |
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"TEXAS" <bugo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Trial Opens in Starvation of Sect Child
By DENISE LAVOIE
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) - The wife of a religious sect member did nothing
to help her infant son as she watched him starve to death in 1999, a
prosecutor said Thursday as the woman's murder trial opened.
Karen Robidoux, 28, is charged with second-degree murder for the
starvation death of her son, Samuel.
<snip>
It doesn't say what religious sect it she belonged to. Do you know for a
fact that it was Christian? Either way it's pretty fucked up!
Cheers
Troy
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| User: "Will" |
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| Title: Re: Another example of that wonderous Christian love |
23 Jan 2004 11:36:27 PM |
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"Troy" <troyh709@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<CxiQb.136064$na.211561@attbi_s04>...
"TEXAS" <bugo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:39a87bd2.0401231520.77def9d5@posting.google.com...
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/crime/story.jsp?floc=NW_1-T&oldflok=FF-APO-1
110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040122%2F2222413473.htm&sc=1110
Trial Opens in Starvation of Sect Child
By DENISE LAVOIE
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) - The wife of a religious sect member did nothing
to help her infant son as she watched him starve to death in 1999, a
prosecutor said Thursday as the woman's murder trial opened.
Karen Robidoux, 28, is charged with second-degree murder for the
starvation death of her son, Samuel.
<snip>
It doesn't say what religious sect it she belonged to. Do you know for a
fact that it was Christian? Either way it's pretty fucked up!
Cheers
Troy
The Robidouxs were members of "The Body," a Bible-based Christian
religious sect that, among other things, denounces education, modern
medicine, etc. Read more about it here
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/a97.html but, beware, the authors make
a point of calling it a "cult." A "cult," of course, is the other
guy's religion. It's not more of a "cult" than Christian Science or
Primitive Baptist movements.
Will
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: Another example of that wonderous Christian love |
23 Jan 2004 07:22:05 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 23:57:22 GMT, "Troy" <troyh709@comcast.net> in
news message <CxiQb.136064$na.211561@attbi_s04> wrote:
"TEXAS" <bugo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:39a87bd2.0401231520.77def9d5@posting.google.com...
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/crime/story.jsp?floc=NW_1-T&oldflok=FF-APO-1
110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040122%2F2222413473.htm&sc=1110
Trial Opens in Starvation of Sect Child
By DENISE LAVOIE
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) - The wife of a religious sect member did nothing
to help her infant son as she watched him starve to death in 1999, a
prosecutor said Thursday as the woman's murder trial opened.
Karen Robidoux, 28, is charged with second-degree murder for the
starvation death of her son, Samuel.
<snip>
It doesn't say what religious sect it she belonged to. Do you know for a
fact that it was Christian? Either way it's pretty fucked up!
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/localRegional.bg?articleid=1451
"David Corneau cited his religious beliefs in refusing to be a
prosecution witness against former sect member Karen Robidoux, 28,
whose trial on a charge of second-degree murder began Thursday.
``He lives following the ways of Jesus Christ and the Bible,''
Corneau's lawyer, J.W. Carney Jr., said Friday during a hearing in
Taunton Superior Court. "
They belong to a Christian sect known as The Body, which rejects
modern medicine among other non-mainstream beliefs.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "Dr. DuFonet" |
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| Title: Re: Another example of that wonderous Christian love |
24 Jan 2004 06:43:45 AM |
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"TEXAS" <bugo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:39a87bd2.0401231520.77def9d5@posting.google.com...
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/crime/story.jsp?floc=NW_1-T&oldflok=FF-APO-1110&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20040122%2F2222413473.htm&sc=1110
Trial Opens in Starvation of Sect Child
By DENISE LAVOIE
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) - The wife of a religious sect member did nothing
to help her infant son as she watched him starve to death in 1999, a
prosecutor said Thursday as the woman's murder trial opened.
Karen Robidoux, 28, is charged with second-degree murder for the
starvation death of her son, Samuel.
Her husband, Jacques Robidoux, was convicted of first-degree murder in
2002 and is serving a life sentence.
At his trial, former sect members testified that the couple began
withholding solid food from the boy after Jacques Robidoux's sister
said she had a vision from God instructing them to feed the boy only
his mother's breast milk.
Prosecutors say Samuel Robidoux slowly starved to death over 51 days
because his mother was pregnant and was only producing traces of
breast milk to feed Samuel.
``From day one - day one - this woman, his mother, knew what was
happening to her child, knew what was causing him to be ill, to be
weak, to suffer, and at the conclusion of 51 days, to die,''
prosecutor Walter Shea told the jury in opening statements Thursday.
Her attorney, Joseph Krowski, countered that Robidoux was under the
control of the sect and was incapable of going against her husband's
wishes.
``Jacques Robidoux was responsible for what happened,'' Krowski said.
``He was the one who was in control.''
The first witness described how the religious sect used intimidation
to control its members.
Former sect member Dennis Mingo testified Thursday that after he
married into the group, he was told what to eat, instructed not to
wear eyeglass or go to the doctor, and ordered to paddle his children
as discipline.
Mingo also discovered Jacques Robidoux's diary, which was crucial to
the prosecution of the sect members. After reading the diary, Mingo
went to police with his concerns about the well-being of the children
of sect members, sparking the investigation and a search for the
bodies of Samuel and another child in northern Maine.
In the diary, Jacques Robidoux described how Samuel went from being a
healthy 10-month-old taking his first steps to a weak, emaciated boy
who could no longer crawl.
Karen Robidoux's trial was delayed for months after a psychologist
found her too emotionally distraught to stand trial. She received
psychiatric treatment, and a judge in September found her competent to
stand trial.
What sect do the prosecutors belong to?
--
Freedom of thought entails no "Intellectual Property".
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| User: "I Think..Therefore I Am Clayton" |
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| Title: Re: Another example of that wonderous Christian love |
23 Jan 2004 06:10:02 PM |
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"TEXAS" <bugo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:39a87bd2.0401231520.77def9d5@posting.google.com...
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Trial Opens in Starvation of Sect Child
By DENISE LAVOIE
TAUNTON, Mass. (AP) - The wife of a religious sect member did nothing
to help her infant son as she watched him starve to death in 1999, a
prosecutor said Thursday as the woman's murder trial opened.
Karen Robidoux, 28, is charged with second-degree murder for the
starvation death of her son, Samuel.
Her husband, Jacques Robidoux, was convicted of first-degree murder in
2002 and is serving a life sentence.
And they wonder why so many of us have grown to hate religion and the nuts
who practise it.
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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23 Jan 2004 06:27:58 PM |
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In alt.atheism on 23 Jan 2004 15:20:43 -0800, (TEXAS)
wrote:
<snip>
Her attorney, Joseph Krowski, countered that Robidoux was under the
control of the sect and was incapable of going against her husband's
wishes.
``Jacques Robidoux was responsible for what happened,'' Krowski said.
``He was the one who was in control.''
I've been in homes where the "boss" of the family had that sort of
power. Having seen it first hand and knowing how hard it can be to
break free from such a thing, I still don't really give a ***** when it
comes to things that hurt your children. Or anyone else's kids for
that matter, but your own children especially. It's her friggin'
_KID_, fer cryin' out loud. You don't let your child die just because
your _SISTER IN LAW_ tells you that Gawd(TM) told her you should. If
nobody will help you or support you in a decision to _ignore_ such a
thing, you play it calm and cool and pretend to go along with it
completely so as not to arouse suspicion. Then, at the earliest
opportunity, you wrap that child up in the middle of the night, knock
hubby over the head with a mallet if you must in order to make sure he
doesn't wake up as you make your escape and you head the hell out of
Dodge. Period. Anything less is inexcusable.
I don't give a flying f&*& _how_ brainwashed a person claims to have
been. I've seen it all. Starvation is about the most horrible way to
die that I can imagine. And that's saying a lot. Anyone so dead to
their senses that the starvation death of their own child doesn't stir
'something' in them deserves to be just as dead in every _other_ sense
of the word.
At one point not too long ago, I wouldn't have cared. I almost wish I
still didn't. Stories like this are sickening to anyone who
understands what it means to love a child. Michael Jackson types
excluded, of course.
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L8r,
Bill
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The early bird gets the worm. The early worm,
on the other hand, just gets eaten.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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23 Jan 2004 09:17:24 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:27:58 GMT, (Bill, The
Avender) posted in alt.atheism:
Anyone so dead to
their senses that the starvation death of their own child doesn't stir
'something' in them
It's called 'religion', Bill. The myth of Abraham isn't totally made
up.
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"A truly unselfish act would be a Christian volunteering to have his soul take your
soul's place in hell, so yours could go to Heaven. Don't hold your breath."
- John Popelish
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Bill, The Avender" |
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23 Jan 2004 11:21:37 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sat, 24 Jan 2004 03:17:24 GMT, Al Klein
<rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:27:58 GMT, (Bill, The
Avender) posted in alt.atheism:
Anyone so dead to
their senses that the starvation death of their own child doesn't stir
'something' in them
It's called 'religion', Bill. The myth of Abraham isn't totally made
up.
I'm aware of that, Al. Perhaps you missed the "post or two" in which
it was mentioned, but I seem to remember actually having _lived_ it
for the first decade or so of my existence.
I'm aware of how it can happen. I'm the one who can actually
understand the mindset it takes to broil one's own child alive in
order to cast the devil out of them, remember? I'm also aware that
anyone that dead to their senses isn't truly alive in any meaningful
sense of the word. We're still human, we still feel on _some_ level,
no matter how far gone we are. That one is so disconnected so as to
not heed the sound of their inner human screaming out in abject terror
at the act of causing their children to die such slow, agonizing,
torturous and unimaginably painful deaths - one so afflicted has no
reasonable use for the air they breathe. I'm saying that they are not
"there", that 'they' do not matter. Not even to themselves.
I'm not saying that they don't exist or that it's impossible to
imagine. I've no +need+ to imagine it. I have but to close my eyes
and it's there before me, no matter how hard I try to wish it away.
It's memory. Ever since I've begun "defragmenting" my own wetware, so
to speak, I've remembered more of it than I've ever cared to. Geraldo
may have been off the mark in a number of ways, but what he called
"Satan worshippers" he might just as well have called "fundamentalist
Christians". It would be a far more accurate label for the kinds of
people he "exposed" with his little propaganda charade.
No one I knew actually skinned babies alive and hung their pelts out
to dry on clotheslines, but that's about _all_ they hadn't done. And
I'm only referring to _human_ babies. I have known people who would
skin cats alive and ignite them - because cats are "evil", creatures
of the devil. Witch familiars. I've found animal remains in all
sorts of condition in the woods around the little town where I grew
up. Dogs with their tails tied together and slung over tree branches,
soaked in paraffin and then ignited (I only knew it was paraffin from
the bragging that spread about the deed later). Cat heads stuck on
spiked sticks sticking out of the ground. Animals with half of their
heads cut off and the brains removed. I've seen everything, I've
found it all (except humans, at least not that I can presently
remember). All of it the result of the festering fundamentalism
oozing rancorously from my hometown's every blackened, gangrenous
pore.
I'd better take a break before you think this is directed at you, Al.
It isn't. Not at all. Though I certainly don't need anyone
explaining to _ME_ what the hell religion can do as though I weren't
already quite well aware of it. This is just a rant. The kind I'll
have until fundamentalism - in all its forms, even non-religious ones
- is well and truly dead. And even then, if I by my own design have
become some sort of "fundamentalist" in my own right, I will fling
myself from a cliff as my final act of ridding the world of such a
dreadful plague.
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L8r,
Bill
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The early bird gets the worm. The early worm,
on the other hand, just gets eaten.
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