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Another GI Killed by Bush' Big Lie, As Dukkke32 (aka Worthless Chickenhawk) Cowers At Home And Exhorts Others To Die For Bush's Lie |
"...The people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trial
"Another GI Killed by Bush's Big Lie"
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The Bush 'balance' budget: -455 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -292 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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"Yang, Fairer Than Fox and More Balanced than John Pointdexter"
<eacmole@SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
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"...The people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trial
"Another GI Killed by Bush's Big Lie"
http://www.wftv.com/news/2482874/detail.html
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Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balance' budget: -455 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -292 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
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17 Sep 2003 09:13:32 AM |
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"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
Yes, you lunatics have forgotten. Haven't you? You forgot
what happened on 9/11, and you forgot the efforts to get
those who are responsable.
It wasn't Iraq.
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17 Sep 2003 10:06:14 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
Yes, you lunatics have forgotten. Haven't you? You forgot
what happened on 9/11, and you forgot the efforts to get
those who are responsable.
It wasn't Iraq.
Saddam had it coming anyway. The war was justified on human rights
grounds if for no other reason. "Moving the goalposts" is not a crime in
politics. Just ask Howard Dean.
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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17 Sep 2003 10:33:00 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Saddam had it coming anyway.
Sure he did. Nobody is arguing against you there. But,
the fact remains that an invasion was the single most
expensive, most destructive and he most costly means of
dealing with Saddam in terms of human life. There were
faster & cheaper alternatives.
The war was justified on human rights grounds if for
no other reason.
The war was not "justified" on any grounds. There is
nothing more obscene than slaughtering thousands because
you have a feud with a single individual.
"Moving the goalposts" is not a crime in politics.
But we're not talking about goalposts here, we're talking
about thousands of deaths, including hundreds of
Americans so far... with that number rising.
Whatever you imagine Howard Dean to have earned for
his goalposts, multiple it by a thousand and it still won't
approach what Bush has earned for his body count. Heck,
it doesn't even approach what Bush has earned for all the
wounded.
You claim that this war, and these deaths, were worth it.
But the cold, hard truth is that the GOP said that it wasn't
even worth giving up a second tax cut.
They sacrificed thousands of lives for this war, including
hundreds of Americans (plus the wounded), but they
wouldn't sacrifice another tax cut.
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17 Sep 2003 11:14:22 AM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Saddam had it coming anyway.
Sure he did. Nobody is arguing against you there. But,
the fact remains that an invasion was the single most
expensive, most destructive and he most costly means of
dealing with Saddam in terms of human life. There were
faster & cheaper alternatives.
The war was justified on human rights grounds if for
no other reason.
The war was not "justified" on any grounds. There is
nothing more obscene than slaughtering thousands because
you have a feud with a single individual.
Tell that to the survivors of Saddam's torture chambers.
Tell that to the Jews.
Heck, tell it to King Abdullah of Jordan who was on Charlie Rose last
night. I wish they had a transcript.
"Moving the goalposts" is not a crime in politics.
But we're not talking about goalposts here, we're talking
about thousands of deaths, including hundreds of
Americans so far... with that number rising.
The tens of thousands of Saddam's victims for starters. And the hundreds
of thousands of his *potential* victims, who won't have to worry about
"containment" failing like it failed in North Korea.
Not to mention the strategic position we now have. The other states in
the region feel it, even while you cavil and whimper about what a threat
this is to the US.
Whatever you imagine Howard Dean to have earned for
his goalposts, multiple it by a thousand and it still won't
approach what Bush has earned for his body count. Heck,
it doesn't even approach what Bush has earned for all the
wounded.
Bush has earned reelection for the low number of casualties with which
he has accomplished his major strategic goals.
You claim that this war, and these deaths, were worth it.
But the cold, hard truth is that the GOP said that it wasn't
even worth giving up a second tax cut.
They sacrificed thousands of lives for this war, including
hundreds of Americans (plus the wounded), but they
wouldn't sacrifice another tax cut.
There was no need to eliminate one of the tax cuts, unless you're a
Democrat who wants to sabotage the economy just when it's starting to
recover.
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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17 Sep 2003 12:50:02 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Tell that to the survivors of Saddam's torture chambers.
Okay.
To the survivors of Saddam's torture chambers:
We did not have to go to war, and kill thousands of innocents,
just to get rid of one man. There are other ways we could have
gone about it, that didn't call for the whole-sale slaughter of
all those people who, unlike you, did not survive.
Tell that to the Jews.
What on earth are you babbling about?
Heck, tell it to King Abdullah of Jordan who was on Charlie
Rose last night.
No problem. You arrange the meeting. And, oh, be sure to
provide the transportation & some snacks.
Thanks in advance.
But we're not talking about goalposts here, we're talking
about thousands of deaths, including hundreds of
Americans so far... with that number rising.
The tens of thousands of Saddam's victims for starters.
Which we added to, though we had alternatives and more than
an entire year to employ them.
Bush's private war in Iraq did not bring back a single victim
of Saddam's regime, though it did add thousands.
And the hundreds of thousands of his *potential*
[---strawman removed---]
Whatever you imagine Howard Dean to have earned for
his goalposts, multiple it by a thousand and it still won't
approach what Bush has earned for his body count. Heck,
it doesn't even approach what Bush has earned for all the
wounded.
Bush has earned reelection for the low number of casualties
with which he has accomplished his major strategic goals.
He has yet to articulate *Any* strategic goals, even as there
were alternative approaches to "regime change" that did not
assure the highest number of civilian casualties.
They sacrificed thousands of lives for this war, including
hundreds of Americans (plus the wounded), but they
wouldn't sacrifice another tax cut.
There was no need to eliminate one of the tax cuts,
It's not that they failed to eliminate a tax cut, it's that they added
a tax cut on top of a tax cut.
*****.
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17 Sep 2003 01:39:49 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Tell that to the survivors of Saddam's torture chambers.
Okay.
To the survivors of Saddam's torture chambers:
We did not have to go to war, and kill thousands of innocents,
just to get rid of one man. There are other ways we could have
gone about it, that didn't call for the whole-sale slaughter of
all those people who, unlike you, did not survive.
Yeah, that makes sense. The ten years while we waited for sanctions to
work don't count.
Tell that to the Jews.
What on earth are you babbling about?
Who else could we have saved if we had moved instead of looking for
"other ways" to appease a genocidal dictator?
Heck, tell it to King Abdullah of Jordan who was on Charlie
Rose last night.
No problem. You arrange the meeting. And, oh, be sure to
provide the transportation & some snacks.
Thanks in advance.
Nice to see you admit that you're completely out of touch with reality.
But we're not talking about goalposts here, we're talking
about thousands of deaths, including hundreds of
Americans so far... with that number rising.
The tens of thousands of Saddam's victims for starters.
Which we added to, though we had alternatives and more than
an entire year to employ them.
And which had no effect whatsoever over the TEN years in which we *DID*
apply them.
Bush's private war in Iraq did not bring back a single victim
of Saddam's regime, though it did add thousands.
Of course not. Nothing can bring them back. That doesn't mean we should
have left Saddam to kill thousands more.
And the hundreds of thousands of his *potential*
[---strawman removed---]
Whatever you imagine Howard Dean to have earned for
his goalposts, multiple it by a thousand and it still won't
approach what Bush has earned for his body count. Heck,
it doesn't even approach what Bush has earned for all the
wounded.
Bush has earned reelection for the low number of casualties
with which he has accomplished his major strategic goals.
He has yet to articulate *Any* strategic goals,
You have yet to admit that you're wrong.
even as there
were alternative approaches to "regime change" that did not
assure the highest number of civilian casualties.
Those are tactics, not strategic goals.
They sacrificed thousands of lives for this war, including
hundreds of Americans (plus the wounded), but they
wouldn't sacrifice another tax cut.
There was no need to eliminate one of the tax cuts,
It's not that they failed to eliminate a tax cut, it's that they added
a tax cut on top of a tax cut.
That's meaningless.
*****.
Here, have some milk.
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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17 Sep 2003 01:57:57 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
To the survivors of Saddam's torture chambers:
We did not have to go to war, and kill thousands of innocents,
just to get rid of one man. There are other ways we could have
gone about it, that didn't call for the whole-sale slaughter of
all those people who, unlike you, did not survive.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Killing people in order to save people from getting killed?
The ten years while we waited for sanctions to work don't
count.
The sanctions did work, you imbecile. Saddam disarmed.
But I wasn't talking about the sanctions that worked, as those
sanctions never claimed to target the removal of Saddam
Hussein as a goal.
I was speaking of all the alternatives -- short of invasion --
which the Bush administration turned their backs on for an
entire year, even as they prepared for the invasion.
Tell that to the Jews.
What on earth are you babbling about?
Who else could we have saved if we had moved instead of
looking for "other ways" to appease a genocidal dictator?
As Bush has saved nobody -- not even any Iraqis -- your argument
appears to have now turned into an indictment of Bush.
Bush killed thousands of Iraqis with his invasion, not one of which
had to die. All would have been saved if, for example, Bush had
turned to assasination instead of the brutal deaths of thousands of
innocents.
Heck, tell it to King Abdullah of Jordan who was on Charlie
Rose last night.
No problem. You arrange the meeting. And, oh, be sure to
provide the transportation & some snacks.
Thanks in advance.
Nice to see you admit that you're completely out of touch with
reality.
So you're saying that your demand was out of touch with reality?
Wow, Bob...errr... duke.. errr... "Fred."
That's the bravest you've ever been.
Which we added to, though we had alternatives and more
than an entire year to employ them.
And which had no effect whatsoever over the TEN years in
which we *DID* apply them.
If you're talking about the sanctions & inspections -- if that's
what you're misrepresenting here -- they did work. They did
accomplish their stated goals. They did disarm Saddam of
the WMDs that the Republicans sold him.
If there's something else you're lying about -- like maybe
regime change -- I'd like you to take a moment and map out
for us the administration efforts (short of war) since 2001.
But you can't. There are no efforts. You're a lying sack of
*****, a ***** who can't admit his error.
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17 Sep 2003 02:01:50 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
To the survivors of Saddam's torture chambers:
We did not have to go to war, and kill thousands of innocents,
just to get rid of one man. There are other ways we could have
gone about it, that didn't call for the whole-sale slaughter of
all those people who, unlike you, did not survive.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Killing people in order to save people from getting killed?
The ten years while we waited for sanctions to work don't
count.
The sanctions did work, you imbecile. Saddam disarmed.
Suuuuure he did. Riiiiight. While the inspectors weren't looking.
Hey, I've got this causeway I can sell you, real cheap.
<snip the rest of JTEM's denials of reality>
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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17 Sep 2003 02:17:33 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The sanctions did work, you imbecile. Saddam disarmed.
Suuuuure he did. Riiiiight.
Show us the WMDs, *****.
Don't flap your gums, don't type any excuses, show us.
Put up or shut up, ***** boy.
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17 Sep 2003 02:58:14 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The sanctions did work, you imbecile. Saddam disarmed.
Suuuuure he did. Riiiiight.
Show us the WMDs, *****.
Don't flap your gums, don't type any excuses, show us.
Just look at everything that you've discounted in the last six months.
That's where the evidence is.
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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17 Sep 2003 04:09:17 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Show us the WMDs, *****.
Don't flap your gums, don't type any excuses, show us.
Just look at everything that you've discounted in the last six
months.
You mean the WMDs and the Al Qaida ties that don't exist?
That's where the evidence is.
"Evidence of Republican corruption," no doubt.
Although the WMDs aren't real, the Billions in profits going
to Halliburton certainly are.
And, oh, so aren't the graves of the thousands of Iraqis we
"Liberated"... plus hundreds of American dead... plus many
times more wounded...
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17 Sep 2003 04:13:55 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Show us the WMDs, *****.
Don't flap your gums, don't type any excuses, show us.
Just look at everything that you've discounted in the last six
months.
You mean the WMDs and the Al Qaida ties that don't exist?
Yes, those strawmen.
That's where the evidence is.
"Evidence of Republican corruption," no doubt.
Although the WMDs aren't real, the Billions in profits going
to Halliburton certainly are.
And, oh, so aren't the graves of the thousands of Iraqis we
"Liberated"... plus hundreds of American dead... plus many
times more wounded...
Yes yes yes, we know you want to run like a rabbit at the first inkling
of trouble.
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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17 Sep 2003 05:11:27 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Although the WMDs aren't real, the Billions in profits going
to Halliburton certainly are.
And, oh, so aren't the graves of the thousands of Iraqis we
"Liberated"... plus hundreds of American dead... plus many
times more wounded...
Yes yes yes, we know you want to run like a rabbit at the
first inkling of trouble.
Hindsight is not supposed to be any kind of gift, "Fred." Even
a jackass is supposed to be able to look at what actually did
happen and know who was right.
I was right about Bush's little war in Iraq, and I was right before
the war ever started. You were wrong, "Fred." You were wrong
about everything, "Fred." You were wrong about our reasons
for going in -- the terrorist ties and the WMDs -- and you're
wrong about the "liberation" we're witnessing today.
In fact, "Fred," you have been wrong every step of the way.
Be honest, "Fred." Stick a couple of grapes down your shorts
for a moment and pretend that you're a man. Then, "Fred," then
tell us what has to happen before you admit failure.
Go on, "Fred."
There were no WMDs. There was no ties to Al Qaida. Saddam
had nothing to do with 9/11 and there certainly was never any
Nigerian "yellow cake."
When are you going to admit the error, "Fred?"
How much does it have to cost? How many Americans have to
die or come home crippled? What percentage of the Iraqi
population has to support armed resistance?
Go on, "Fred," spell it out for us.
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:33:00 -0400, "JTEM" <jaytem@yahoo.com> wrote:
The war was not "justified" on any grounds. There is
nothing more obscene than slaughtering thousands because
you have a feud with a single individual.
Wow, are you out of tune!
Which thousands have been slaughtered other than those by saddam?
Which thousands have been gassed with WMD's other than those by
saddam?
Which great president has moved the terrorism battlefield from the
shores of the US to the Middle East, the home of the terrorists?
George Bush, George Bush, George Bush, Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
But we're not talking about goalposts here, we're talking
about thousands of deaths, including hundreds of
Americans so far... with that number rising.
Not near the 2800 killed by terrorists in 9/11.
Whatever you imagine Howard Dean to have earned for
his goalposts, multiple it by a thousand and it still won't
approach what Bush has earned for his body count. Heck,
it doesn't even approach what Bush has earned for all the
wounded.
Bush body count? We need to send yang over there. I put you in
charge of going get him off his surf board and making a marine of him.
You claim that this war, and these deaths, were worth it.
But the cold, hard truth is that the GOP said that it wasn't
even worth giving up a second tax cut.
If you don't like tax cuts, you don't earn an income, kid.
They sacrificed thousands of lives for this war, including
hundreds of Americans (plus the wounded), but they
wouldn't sacrifice another tax cut.
If you don't like tax cuts, you don't earn an income, kid.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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18 Sep 2003 11:27:22 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vmgu2glang9n60@news.supernews.com>...
JTEM wrote:
"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
Yes, you lunatics have forgotten. Haven't you? You forgot
what happened on 9/11, and you forgot the efforts to get
those who are responsable.
It wasn't Iraq.
Saddam had it coming anyway. The war was justified on human rights
grounds if for no other reason. "Moving the goalposts" is not a crime in
politics.
Neither is circular reasoning apparently, but since when did the U.S.
make human rights violations a pretext for invasion and "regime
change"? It sure wasn't the policy in 1988 under Bush the 1st when the
Iraqi military murdered 5000 civilian Kurds with nerve gas and the
U.S. downplayed the incident as "allegations." It sure wasn't the
policy in 1975-78 when Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge slaughtered 750,000
in Cambodia. It sure wasn't policy in 1973 when Kissinger facilitated
the assassination of Chilean president Allende and initiated the 30
year murderous reign of Pinochet. It wasn't policy either in countless
other examples including the genocides in Rwanda, Burundi, Sierra
Leone, Macedonia, etc., etc.. When the U.S. in cooperation with the UN
finally grudgingly intervened in Kosovo and Somalia, the same
right-wing hawks that insisted that "nation-building" isn't America's
business suddenly want us to believe that Iraq was invaded out of
concern for the welfare of Iraqis. Yeah, sure it was.
Just ask Howard Dean.
How does perceived ambiguities in a political candidate's positions
remotely compare to the gross revisions of Bush's war justifications?
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Dirk Murcray wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vmgu2glang9n60@news.supernews.com>...
JTEM wrote:
"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
Yes, you lunatics have forgotten. Haven't you? You forgot
what happened on 9/11, and you forgot the efforts to get
those who are responsable.
It wasn't Iraq.
Saddam had it coming anyway. The war was justified on human rights
grounds if for no other reason. "Moving the goalposts" is not a crime in
politics.
Neither is circular reasoning apparently, but since when did the U.S.
make human rights violations a pretext for invasion and "regime
change"?
This time.
It sure wasn't the policy in 1988 under Bush the 1st when the
Iraqi military murdered 5000 civilian Kurds with nerve gas and the
U.S. downplayed the incident as "allegations." It sure wasn't the
policy in 1975-78 when Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge slaughtered 750,000
in Cambodia. It sure wasn't policy in 1973 when Kissinger facilitated
the assassination of Chilean president Allende and initiated the 30
year murderous reign of Pinochet. It wasn't policy either in countless
other examples including the genocides in Rwanda, Burundi, Sierra
Leone, Macedonia, etc., etc.. When the U.S. in cooperation with the UN
finally grudgingly intervened in Kosovo and Somalia, the same
right-wing hawks that insisted that "nation-building" isn't America's
business suddenly want us to believe that Iraq was invaded out of
concern for the welfare of Iraqis. Yeah, sure it was.
So, since we have a history of ignoring human rights we're required to
continue to ignore them or we're not consistent. We used to hold slaves
too. Shall we bring them back in order to be consistent?
Just ask Howard Dean.
How does perceived ambiguities in a political candidate's positions
remotely compare to the gross revisions of Bush's war justifications?
Doing the two-step is dancing, no matter who's playing the music.
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Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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18 Sep 2003 11:55:11 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
So, since we have a history of ignoring human rights we're
required to continue to ignore them or we're not consistent.
Unless a leopard can change it's spots, we must look for the
presence of other factors which are known to motivate
ruthless neo-cons, before we consider accepting their word
on events.
As their are other factors in abundance -- take oil for
example -- there really is no need for us to imagine a
complete reversal of neo-con "values."
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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18 Sep 2003 12:28:17 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
So, since we have a history of ignoring human rights we're
required to continue to ignore them or we're not consistent.
Unless a leopard can change it's spots, we must look for the
presence of other factors which are known to motivate
ruthless neo-cons, before we consider accepting their word
on events.
As their are other factors in abundance -- take oil for
example -- there really is no need for us to imagine a
complete reversal of neo-con "values."
And so JTEM imposes his fantasies onto the discussion.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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18 Sep 2003 02:52:54 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
And so JTEM imposes his fantasies onto the discussion.
More than 20 years of Republican foreign policy hardly
constitutes "Fantasy."
But, you being a ***** & all, I can understand why you'd
have to stoop to that kind of talk.
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18 Sep 2003 04:12:18 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
And so JTEM imposes his fantasies onto the discussion.
More than 20 years of Republican foreign policy hardly
constitutes "Fantasy."
Your fantasies about Republican foreign policy hardly constitute reality.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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| User: "JTEM" |
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18 Sep 2003 07:49:11 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
Your fantasies about Republican foreign policy hardly
constitute reality.
Show us the WMDs, *****.
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| User: "Zachriel" |
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18 Sep 2003 11:48:05 AM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:vmjnr7njjl4b10@news.supernews.com...
Dirk Murcray wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:<vmgu2glang9n60@news.supernews.com>...
JTEM wrote:
"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
Yes, you lunatics have forgotten. Haven't you? You forgot
what happened on 9/11, and you forgot the efforts to get
those who are responsable.
It wasn't Iraq.
Saddam had it coming anyway. The war was justified on human rights
grounds if for no other reason. "Moving the goalposts" is not a crime in
politics.
Neither is circular reasoning apparently, but since when did the U.S.
make human rights violations a pretext for invasion and "regime
change"?
This time.
It sure wasn't the policy in 1988 under Bush the 1st when the
Iraqi military murdered 5000 civilian Kurds with nerve gas and the
U.S. downplayed the incident as "allegations." It sure wasn't the
policy in 1975-78 when Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge slaughtered 750,000
in Cambodia. It sure wasn't policy in 1973 when Kissinger facilitated
the assassination of Chilean president Allende and initiated the 30
year murderous reign of Pinochet. It wasn't policy either in countless
other examples including the genocides in Rwanda, Burundi, Sierra
Leone, Macedonia, etc., etc.. When the U.S. in cooperation with the UN
finally grudgingly intervened in Kosovo and Somalia, the same
right-wing hawks that insisted that "nation-building" isn't America's
business suddenly want us to believe that Iraq was invaded out of
concern for the welfare of Iraqis. Yeah, sure it was.
So, since we have a history of ignoring human rights we're required to
continue to ignore them or we're not consistent. We used to hold slaves
too. Shall we bring them back in order to be consistent?
Of course not. However, you are missing the point. America was led into war
by the administration's deceptions. This is never a good policy. Even if we
have "accidentally" liberated a people, our army is now tied down. What if
it is needed elsewhere? A policy based on falsehoods, or self-deception,
will inevitably lead to disaster.
Someone told Bush, in the wake of 911, that the U.S. could take a terrorist
nuclear strike. Incredibly, Bush apparently didn't remember that we have
been living under the threat of total nuclear annihilation for more than a
generation. Fear led them to make irrational decisions. They do not listen
to dissent because they already know the answer.
It is, in Barbara Tuchman's words, a "March of Folly".
Just ask Howard Dean.
How does perceived ambiguities in a political candidate's positions
remotely compare to the gross revisions of Bush's war justifications?
Doing the two-step is dancing, no matter who's playing the music.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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18 Sep 2003 11:58:53 AM |
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Zachriel wrote:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:vmjnr7njjl4b10@news.supernews.com...
Dirk Murcray wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:<vmgu2glang9n60@news.supernews.com>...
JTEM wrote:
"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
Yes, you lunatics have forgotten. Haven't you? You forgot
what happened on 9/11, and you forgot the efforts to get
those who are responsable.
It wasn't Iraq.
Saddam had it coming anyway. The war was justified on human rights
grounds if for no other reason. "Moving the goalposts" is not a crime in
politics.
Neither is circular reasoning apparently, but since when did the U.S.
make human rights violations a pretext for invasion and "regime
change"?
This time.
It sure wasn't the policy in 1988 under Bush the 1st when the
Iraqi military murdered 5000 civilian Kurds with nerve gas and the
U.S. downplayed the incident as "allegations." It sure wasn't the
policy in 1975-78 when Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge slaughtered 750,000
in Cambodia. It sure wasn't policy in 1973 when Kissinger facilitated
the assassination of Chilean president Allende and initiated the 30
year murderous reign of Pinochet. It wasn't policy either in countless
other examples including the genocides in Rwanda, Burundi, Sierra
Leone, Macedonia, etc., etc.. When the U.S. in cooperation with the UN
finally grudgingly intervened in Kosovo and Somalia, the same
right-wing hawks that insisted that "nation-building" isn't America's
business suddenly want us to believe that Iraq was invaded out of
concern for the welfare of Iraqis. Yeah, sure it was.
So, since we have a history of ignoring human rights we're required to
continue to ignore them or we're not consistent. We used to hold slaves
too. Shall we bring them back in order to be consistent?
Of course not. However, you are missing the point. America was led into war
by the administration's deceptions. This is never a good policy. Even if we
have "accidentally" liberated a people, our army is now tied down. What if
it is needed elsewhere?
We have more forces that we can move around if we need them. We don't
want to commit them *in Iraq* for obvious reasons.
A policy based on falsehoods, or self-deception,
will inevitably lead to disaster.
Someone told Bush, in the wake of 911, that the U.S. could take a terrorist
nuclear strike. Incredibly, Bush apparently didn't remember that we have
been living under the threat of total nuclear annihilation for more than a
generation. Fear led them to make irrational decisions. They do not listen
to dissent because they already know the answer.
DO you think that was the whole decision process? Apparantly you weren't
paying attention to the real debate in Congress.
It is, in Barbara Tuchman's words, a "March of Folly".
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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18 Sep 2003 09:00:24 PM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vmjnr7njjl4b10@news.supernews.com>...
Dirk Murcray wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vmgu2glang9n60@news.supernews.com>...
JTEM wrote:
"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
Yes, you lunatics have forgotten. Haven't you? You forgot
what happened on 9/11, and you forgot the efforts to get
those who are responsable.
It wasn't Iraq.
Saddam had it coming anyway. The war was justified on human rights
grounds if for no other reason. "Moving the goalposts" is not a crime in
politics.
Neither is circular reasoning apparently, but since when did the U.S.
make human rights violations a pretext for invasion and "regime
change"?
This time.
So they would have us believe, but in view of past history it is not a
credible claim.
It sure wasn't the policy in 1988 under Bush the 1st when the
Iraqi military murdered 5000 civilian Kurds with nerve gas and the
U.S. downplayed the incident as "allegations." It sure wasn't the
policy in 1975-78 when Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge slaughtered 750,000
in Cambodia. It sure wasn't policy in 1973 when Kissinger facilitated
the assassination of Chilean president Allende and initiated the 30
year murderous reign of Pinochet. It wasn't policy either in countless
other examples including the genocides in Rwanda, Burundi, Sierra
Leone, Macedonia, etc., etc.. When the U.S. in cooperation with the UN
finally grudgingly intervened in Kosovo and Somalia, the same
right-wing hawks that insisted that "nation-building" isn't America's
business suddenly want us to believe that Iraq was invaded out of
concern for the welfare of Iraqis. Yeah, sure it was.
So, since we have a history of ignoring human rights we're required to
continue to ignore them or we're not consistent. We used to hold slaves
too. Shall we bring them back in order to be consistent?
It is disingenuous to pretend that an administration headed by
ideologues who have historically been contemptuous of human rights
concerns were suddenly motivated to wage a large-scale war for
humanitarian reasons in this case. It is nothing but naked opportunism
made necessary by the utter collapse of the stated rationale that Iraq
posed an imminent threat to US national security.
Just ask Howard Dean.
How does perceived ambiguities in a political candidate's positions
remotely compare to the gross revisions of Bush's war justifications?
Doing the two-step is dancing, no matter who's playing the music.
Apples and oranges. Some waffling is to be expected by any political
candidate. For a leader to change the rationale after the fact for
taking the country to war when the initial claims proved false is not
just status quo pandering, it is a morale outrage on par with the very
despotism we supposedly detest, and those who can't see that or won't
admit it are part of the problem.
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19 Sep 2003 12:40:42 PM |
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Dirk Murcray wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vmjnr7njjl4b10@news.supernews.com>...
Dirk Murcray wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vmgu2glang9n60@news.supernews.com>...
JTEM wrote:
"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
Yes, you lunatics have forgotten. Haven't you? You forgot
what happened on 9/11, and you forgot the efforts to get
those who are responsable.
It wasn't Iraq.
Saddam had it coming anyway. The war was justified on human rights
grounds if for no other reason. "Moving the goalposts" is not a crime in
politics.
Neither is circular reasoning apparently, but since when did the U.S.
make human rights violations a pretext for invasion and "regime
change"?
This time.
So they would have us believe, but in view of past history it is not a
credible claim.
It sure wasn't the policy in 1988 under Bush the 1st when the
Iraqi military murdered 5000 civilian Kurds with nerve gas and the
U.S. downplayed the incident as "allegations." It sure wasn't the
policy in 1975-78 when Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge slaughtered 750,000
in Cambodia. It sure wasn't policy in 1973 when Kissinger facilitated
the assassination of Chilean president Allende and initiated the 30
year murderous reign of Pinochet. It wasn't policy either in countless
other examples including the genocides in Rwanda, Burundi, Sierra
Leone, Macedonia, etc., etc.. When the U.S. in cooperation with the UN
finally grudgingly intervened in Kosovo and Somalia, the same
right-wing hawks that insisted that "nation-building" isn't America's
business suddenly want us to believe that Iraq was invaded out of
concern for the welfare of Iraqis. Yeah, sure it was.
So, since we have a history of ignoring human rights we're required to
continue to ignore them or we're not consistent. We used to hold slaves
too. Shall we bring them back in order to be consistent?
It is disingenuous to pretend that an administration headed by
ideologues who have historically been contemptuous of human rights
concerns were suddenly motivated to wage a large-scale war for
humanitarian reasons in this case. It is nothing but naked opportunism
made necessary by the utter collapse of the stated rationale that Iraq
posed an imminent threat to US national security.
Just ask Howard Dean.
How does perceived ambiguities in a political candidate's positions
remotely compare to the gross revisions of Bush's war justifications?
Doing the two-step is dancing, no matter who's playing the music.
Apples and oranges. Some waffling is to be expected by any political
candidate.
Of course.
For a leader to change the rationale after the fact for
taking the country to war when the initial claims proved false is not
just status quo pandering, it is a morale outrage on par with the very
despotism we supposedly detest, and those who can't see that or won't
admit it are part of the problem.
The whole "lie" story is based upon the so-called Nigerian Yellowcake
memos, which even the BBC has had to admit was *not* a lie, and wasn't
even exaggerated.
As to the alleged claims of actual stockpiled WMD's, even Blix had to
admit that if Saddam didn't have them he was bluffing, making it appear
that he did have them, whilst stonewalling the inspectors.
--
Fred Stone
Conquering the Galaxy since 2003
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19 Sep 2003 04:29:00 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
The whole "lie" story is based upon the so-called Nigerian
Yellowcake memos,
.....and the missile parts being used to produce nuclear weapons... and
the Al Qaida links... the links to 9/11...
which even the BBC has had to admit was *not* a lie, and wasn't
even exaggerated.
It was a blatent lie. Iraq had purchased all the nuclear material it
needed with our blessings, including an entire nuclear reactor
which Israel destroyed in a sneak attack.
The idea that Nigeria had anything for sale that rogue nations were
likely to turn into nuclear weapons is itself idiotic.
I mean, hello? Don't you think we'd pound Nigeria into the ground
if they were hawking strategic weapons to the highest bidder? Hello?
Pull your head out of your ***** for once, "Fred," and think before you
spout such Bush-*****.
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vmmfrdcqkund3b@news.supernews.com>...
Dirk Murcray wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vmjnr7njjl4b10@news.supernews.com>...
Dirk Murcray wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message news:<vmgu2glang9n60@news.supernews.com>...
JTEM wrote:
"Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com> wrote
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
Yes, you lunatics have forgotten. Haven't you? You forgot
what happened on 9/11, and you forgot the efforts to get
those who are responsable.
It wasn't Iraq.
Saddam had it coming anyway. The war was justified on human rights
grounds if for no other reason. "Moving the goalposts" is not a crime in
politics.
Neither is circular reasoning apparently, but since when did the U.S.
make human rights violations a pretext for invasion and "regime
change"?
This time.
So they would have us believe, but in view of past history it is not a
credible claim.
It sure wasn't the policy in 1988 under Bush the 1st when the
Iraqi military murdered 5000 civilian Kurds with nerve gas and the
U.S. downplayed the incident as "allegations." It sure wasn't the
policy in 1975-78 when Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge slaughtered 750,000
in Cambodia. It sure wasn't policy in 1973 when Kissinger facilitated
the assassination of Chilean president Allende and initiated the 30
year murderous reign of Pinochet. It wasn't policy either in countless
other examples including the genocides in Rwanda, Burundi, Sierra
Leone, Macedonia, etc., etc.. When the U.S. in cooperation with the UN
finally grudgingly intervened in Kosovo and Somalia, the same
right-wing hawks that insisted that "nation-building" isn't America's
business suddenly want us to believe that Iraq was invaded out of
concern for the welfare of Iraqis. Yeah, sure it was.
So, since we have a history of ignoring human rights we're required to
continue to ignore them or we're not consistent. We used to hold slaves
too. Shall we bring them back in order to be consistent?
It is disingenuous to pretend that an administration headed by
ideologues who have historically been contemptuous of human rights
concerns were suddenly motivated to wage a large-scale war for
humanitarian reasons in this case. It is nothing but naked opportunism
made necessary by the utter collapse of the stated rationale that Iraq
posed an imminent threat to US national security.
Just ask Howard Dean.
How does perceived ambiguities in a political candidate's positions
remotely compare to the gross revisions of Bush's war justifications?
Doing the two-step is dancing, no matter who's playing the music.
Apples and oranges. Some waffling is to be expected by any political
candidate.
Of course.
For a leader to change the rationale after the fact for
taking the country to war when the initial claims proved false is not
just status quo pandering, it is a morale outrage on par with the very
despotism we supposedly detest, and those who can't see that or won't
admit it are part of the problem.
The whole "lie" story is based upon the so-called Nigerian Yellowcake
memos, which even the BBC has had to admit was *not* a lie, and wasn't
even exaggerated.
You can't be serious. The Nigerian yellowcake lie is not only still a
lie, it is just one among many. The BBC controversy has nothing to do
with the validity of the yellowcake claim, it is over an unrelated
matter. The CIA learned the yellowcake documents were forged after
they sent agent Joseph Wilson to Niger to investigate a year prior to
Bush's assertion.
As to the alleged claims of actual stockpiled WMD's, even Blix had to
admit that if Saddam didn't have them he was bluffing, making it appear
that he did have them, whilst stonewalling the inspectors.
Granted, Saddam's reactions to the inspections certainly didn't aid
his case. Some authorities feel that the Iraqi culture of politics
made it necessary for Saddam to maintain a defiant image, even to his
own detriment.
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:56:52 +0930, "Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
Forget? Forget that one of the reasons for 9/11 is Bush Sr's war?
That another big reason is Shrub's insistence on turning this country
into a Christian theocracy?
No, we won't forget.
--
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be under-
stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:56:52 +0930, "Linda" <linda_j_d@bigpond.com>
wrote:
"Yang, Fairer Than Fox and More Balanced than John Pointdexter"
<eacmole@SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f666c42.1516984@news.cox.net...
"...The people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trial
"Another GI Killed by Bush's Big Lie"
http://www.wftv.com/news/2482874/detail.html
http://www.libertynews.org/wtc/ My how quickly they forget!
My, how easily you chickenshit cons lie!
Quick, show me that link between Saddam and 911. Oh that's right, you
can't. Even Bush and Rumsfeld have had to own up to this bit of lie
these past two days, but of course desecrating the meomories of 911
victims for the sake of your agenda is par for the course for you.
What else are you going to 911 as an excuse for? Your loser son? That
you are fat and ugly? Inquiring minds want to know.
-----
Yang
a.a. #28
a.a. pastor #-273.15, the most frigid church of Celcius nee Kelvin
EAC Econometric Forecast and Socerey Division
Proudly plonked by Lani Girl and Crazyalec
The Bush 'balance' budget: -500 billion and worsening
The Bush 'economic' policy: -3 million jobs and counting
The Bush Iraq lie: -294 GIs, one friend's co-worker's son and mounting
Having Bush ***** up my country: Worthless
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18 Sep 2003 11:51:35 PM |
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Yang wrote:
"...The people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being
attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and
exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trial
Interesting Quote. Are you arguing that America shouldn't have fought
Germany in world war II? You do know that Herman Goering was a nazi,
right? You do understand that the United States lost huge numbers of
troops putting down the nazis, right? Nazis that had not attacked the
united states. In fact we went to war with Germany after the Japanese
attacked pearl harbor. I wonder how many bleating idiots in 1941
shouted "show me the connection between pearl harbor and Hitler!!!"
Had we done something against Hitler early in the war when he invaded
Poland then how many millions of people do you suppose would have not
been killed?
How many liberals would call such a move on Hitler as "unprovoked"
You are putting forth the same stale argument in support of Saddam
that allowed Hitler to destroy most of Europe. Have you learned
nothing in 60 years.
I'm looking forward to seeing Saddam at a Nuremberg trial. The French
will probably give him a medal of honor.
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