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"Andres64" |
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27 Jul 2005 06:48:57 AM |
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Another hole in the omnipotent "God"... |
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus it
*must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
existence (however you care to define that). What say you believers?
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Another hole in the omnipotent "God"... |
27 Jul 2005 08:38:47 AM |
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"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1122464937.540253.153020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus it
*must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
existence (however you care to define that). What say you believers?
I'm certainly not a "believer." Instead, after reading the above, I was
once again reminded of just how *****-sure the religionists are in
describing their God. "Omnipotent"? "Prove it!" I say. They can't. And they
know they can't. They're talking out their *****. The sad part about it all,
is the fact that they *actually* believe the crap they throw at us. How
pathetic.
Greywolf
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| User: "NC" |
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27 Jul 2005 01:39:19 PM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:11ef3je1gljv532@corp.supernews.com:
I like to attribute my own words to the people I'm quoting. I'm a real
***** that way.
Greywolf
Agreed!
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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27 Jul 2005 05:29:23 PM |
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"NC" <ncfake@ffs.ntrlly.net> wrote in message
news:Xns96A08B1A13548nc123token456@207.225.159.6...
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:11ef3je1gljv532@corp.supernews.com:
I like to attribute my own words to the people I'm quoting. I'm a real
***** that way.
Greywolf
Agreed!
I never posted the above comment. If this is playtime for trolls, its
pretty pathetic. When right-wing evangelical Christians have to resort to
such fakery and deceit (as well dishonesty) they are showing me what
they're *truly* made of. That is to say that they have little or no
integrity and that they are unabashedly unethical as well. Wait a minute.
What am I saying? Where is *my* head? That *is* the hallmark of a true
right-wing evangelical Christian, is it not? Stupid me.
Greywolf
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: Another hole in the omnipotent "God"... |
06 Aug 2005 08:48:07 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:29:23 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
wrote:
"NC" <ncfake@ffs.ntrlly.net> wrote in message
news:Xns96A08B1A13548nc123token456@207.225.159.6...
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in
news:11ef3je1gljv532@corp.supernews.com:
I like to attribute my own words to the people I'm quoting. I'm a real
***** that way.
Greywolf
Agreed!
I never posted the above comment.
Don't worry those honest Christians will do it for you.
If this is playtime for trolls, its
pretty pathetic. When right-wing evangelical Christians have to resort to
such fakery and deceit (as well dishonesty) they are showing me what
they're *truly* made of. That is to say that they have little or no
integrity and that they are unabashedly unethical as well. Wait a minute.
What am I saying? Where is *my* head? That *is* the hallmark of a true
right-wing evangelical Christian, is it not? Stupid me.
Stupid? Nah. We all forget from time to time the hallmark of most
Christians.
Greywolf
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Aug 2005 08:45:47 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:38:47 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com>
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Greywolf, your stuff often takes a bit to discern from the persons to
whom you are responding since the attribution indicators unchange.
It's easier for others to follow if you ensure your response has no
'>' in it.
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1122464937.540253.153020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus it
*must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
existence (however you care to define that). What say you believers?
I'm certainly not a "believer." Instead, after reading the above, I was
once again reminded of just how *****-sure the religionists are in
describing their God.
Theist drooling idiocy is what is *****-sure.
"Omnipotent"? "Prove it!" I say. They can't. And they
know they can't. They're talking out their *****. The sad part about it all,
is the fact that they *actually* believe the crap they throw at us. How
pathetic.
Beyond pathetic, but then reason never enters their universe.
Greywolf
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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04 Aug 2005 01:19:40 AM |
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Andres64 wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time"
and omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible.
Thus it *must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending
"His" own existence (however you care to define that). What say
you believers?
Take this a bit further, and you've got evidence /and/ proof that
there is no omnipotent force in the universe.
But, first, consider a godly suicide. After God offs himself,
there's a whole multitude of things that he's no longer capable of
doing. An infinite number of things, for that matter. Thus, at
that point--after he's dead--he's not omnipotent. But, since God
(by definition) /is/ omnipotent, that means that he'd still
be able to do all those things. Therefore, he can't commit
suicide. But wait! Committing suicide is an action, and it's
impossible for God to do...meaning that, once again, he's not
omnipotent.
The same thing applies to God ``giving up'' his omnipotence but
remaining alive.
And, no, neither is a silly case. When you think other things
through, you realize that God's omnipotence robs every other
intelligence of free will. Therefore, the only way for God to take
the moral action of granting us free will is to abdicate or commit
suicide...which is impossible for him to do.
Now, back to the evidence thing. Let's go beyond mere
suicide. Let's say that God is so fed up with everything that he
wants to end it all. Not just his own existence, but /all/ of
existence--past, present, future. Make it so that nothing ever
was, is, or will be. If God were to do this at some point in the
future, you'd go <poof> out of existence right now. You never
would have been born, you wouldn't be reading this, etc.
But...you /are/ reading this. Therefore, God never in the future
ends all of existence (and, for that matter, he doesn't end your
own existence). We've essentially searched all of reality and
discovered something that God hasn't done. And, if you've ever
explored the ramifications of the Million Monkey Theorem, you'd
realize that, since we've got an infinite set that we've examined
and found zero occurrences of something, that something is
impossible--just like finding the digit, ``4,'' in the decimal
expansion of ``1 / 3'' is impossible.
Therefore, we have evidentiary proof of something impossible even
to God. Ergo, he's not omnipotent. QED and all that.
Cheers,
b&
P.S. Follow this path a bit further and you'll get similar proof
against solipsism. b&
P.P.S. See my .sig for a /much/ simpler proof that God is not
omnipotent. b&
--
BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
All but God can prove this sentence true.
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| User: "Andres64" |
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07 Aug 2005 12:19:45 AM |
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Ben Goren wrote:
Andres64 wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time"
and omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible.
Thus it *must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending
"His" own existence (however you care to define that). What say
you believers?
Take this a bit further, and you've got evidence /and/ proof that
there is no omnipotent force in the universe.
But, first, consider a godly suicide. After God offs himself,
there's a whole multitude of things that he's no longer capable of
doing. An infinite number of things, for that matter. Thus, at
that point--after he's dead--he's not omnipotent. But, since God
(by definition) /is/ omnipotent, that means that he'd still
be able to do all those things. Therefore, he can't commit
suicide. But wait! Committing suicide is an action, and it's
impossible for God to do...meaning that, once again, he's not
omnipotent.
The same thing applies to God ``giving up'' his omnipotence but
remaining alive.
And, no, neither is a silly case. When you think other things
through, you realize that God's omnipotence robs every other
intelligence of free will. Therefore, the only way for God to take
the moral action of granting us free will is to abdicate or commit
suicide...which is impossible for him to do.
Now, back to the evidence thing. Let's go beyond mere
suicide. Let's say that God is so fed up with everything that he
wants to end it all. Not just his own existence, but /all/ of
existence--past, present, future. Make it so that nothing ever
was, is, or will be. If God were to do this at some point in the
future, you'd go <poof> out of existence right now. You never
would have been born, you wouldn't be reading this, etc.
But...you /are/ reading this. Therefore, God never in the future
ends all of existence (and, for that matter, he doesn't end your
own existence). We've essentially searched all of reality and
discovered something that God hasn't done. And, if you've ever
explored the ramifications of the Million Monkey Theorem, you'd
realize that, since we've got an infinite set that we've examined
and found zero occurrences of something, that something is
impossible--just like finding the digit, ``4,'' in the decimal
expansion of ``1 / 3'' is impossible.
Therefore, we have evidentiary proof of something impossible even
to God. Ergo, he's not omnipotent. QED and all that.
Cheers,
b&
P.S. Follow this path a bit further and you'll get similar proof
against solipsism. b&
P.P.S. See my .sig for a /much/ simpler proof that God is not
omnipotent. b&
--
BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
All but God can prove this sentence true.
Thanks. Very good.
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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07 Aug 2005 03:03:01 AM |
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Andres64 wrote:
Thanks. Very good.
You're welcome. Hope you find it useful.
Cheers,
b&
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BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
All but God can prove this sentence true.
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Aug 2005 08:49:45 AM |
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On 3 Aug 2005 23:19:40 -0700, "Ben Goren" <ben.goren@gmail.com> wrote:
Andres64 wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time"
and omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible.
Thus it *must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending
"His" own existence (however you care to define that). What say
you believers?
Take this a bit further, and you've got evidence /and/ proof that
there is no omnipotent force in the universe.
Omni characteristics self-destruct under their own internal
contradictions. It's the 'all' which does that.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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06 Aug 2005 12:08:19 PM |
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stoney wrote:
Ben Goren wrote:
Andres64 wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of
time" and omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is
possible. Thus it *must* be possible for "God" to be capable
of ending "His" own existence (however you care to define
that). What say you believers?
Take this a bit further, and you've got evidence /and/ proof
that there is no omnipotent force in the universe.
Omni characteristics self-destruct under their own internal
contradictions. It's the 'all' which does that.
Yup. And it stems from the common inability to ponder the infinite
and the inevitable consequences of the infinite.
Most people think of ``infinity'' as a really, really, really,
really super-duper humongous large number. And they think of
their god the same way, except replacing ``powerful being'' for
``number.''
But that's not the way that infinity works at all. All too often,
when you'd expect the answer to be, ``infinity,'' it's instead
``undefined.'' Division by zero and the tangent function are two
classic examples. Lots of people think that 1 / 0 = infinity...but
a quick look at the graph of y = 1 / x will demonstrate this to be
false. 1 / 0 = -1 * infinity is almost as reasonable an answer,
but the truth of the matter is that there is /no/ point on that
graph which will satisfy the equation, and that it's /impossible/
for the equation to ever be solved. Even by ``God.''
Once you start introducing infinite properties into the mix, you
can't rely upon your intuition--it's simply not equipped to the
task. You have to carefully, ploddingly, step-by-step, work out
exactly what the consequences are.
And, when you do, you find out that all the omni characteristics
have solutions that are exactly as well defined as ``x = 1 / 0.''
Cheers,
b&
--
BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
All but God can prove this sentence true.
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| User: "stoney" |
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07 Aug 2005 02:48:18 PM |
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On 6 Aug 2005 10:08:19 -0700, "Ben Goren" <ben.goren@gmail.com> wrote:
stoney wrote:
Ben Goren wrote:
Andres64 wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of
time" and omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is
possible. Thus it *must* be possible for "God" to be capable
of ending "His" own existence (however you care to define
that). What say you believers?
Take this a bit further, and you've got evidence /and/ proof
that there is no omnipotent force in the universe.
Omni characteristics self-destruct under their own internal
contradictions. It's the 'all' which does that.
Yup. And it stems from the common inability to ponder the infinite
and the inevitable consequences of the infinite.
It's like the Christian daemon deity construct-on 'aw *****' eliminates
all the 'atta-boys/girls.'
Most people think of ``infinity'' as a really, really, really,
really super-duper humongous large number. And they think of
their god the same way, except replacing ``powerful being'' for
``number.''
But that's not the way that infinity works at all. All too often,
when you'd expect the answer to be, ``infinity,'' it's instead
``undefined.'' Division by zero and the tangent function are two
classic examples. Lots of people think that 1 / 0 = infinity...but
a quick look at the graph of y = 1 / x will demonstrate this to be
false. 1 / 0 = -1 * infinity is almost as reasonable an answer,
but the truth of the matter is that there is /no/ point on that
graph which will satisfy the equation, and that it's /impossible/
for the equation to ever be solved. Even by ``God.''
Once you start introducing infinite properties into the mix, you
can't rely upon your intuition--it's simply not equipped to the
task. You have to carefully, ploddingly, step-by-step, work out
exactly what the consequences are.
And, when you do, you find out that all the omni characteristics
have solutions that are exactly as well defined as ``x = 1 / 0.''
Cheers,
b&
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "georgann" |
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27 Jul 2005 08:47:45 AM |
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Andres64 wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus it
*must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
existence (however you care to define that). What say you believers?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Maybe He did. When God became man in Jesus Christ (the one and only God
incarnate) the Trinity was fully born. So you could say God ended His own
existence (that that was before this event). He did it by entering TIME,
experiencing human death and then rejecting death (making Him still
eternal).
But what I think you're really leading up to with your questions is more
like a dare for God to destroy Himself. In case you haven't noticed, what
God can do vs will do are separate things. Only humans fall for stupid
dares. Cite: Eve.
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on the closing day of the Constitutional Convention, a woman
asked him what kind of government the statesmen had given America.
Franklin replied: 'A republic, Madame, if you can keep it.'
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| User: "Misleart Chuff" |
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27 Jul 2005 03:55:27 PM |
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"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0D08C0.727A0%chenault@mindspring.com...
: Andres64 wrote:
:
: > "God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
: > omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus
it
: > *must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
: > existence (however you care to define that). What say you
believers?
:
: georgann (forgotten since 3:30 A.M.) wrote:
:
: Maybe it did. When gawd became man in jayzis chrisp (the one and
only gawd
: incantation) the twinity was fully boring. So you could say gawd
ended its own
: resistance (that that was before this event). It did it by entering
TIME Magazine, Inc.,
: experiencing inhuman boredom and then rejecting sanity (making it
still
: infernal).
:
: But what I think you're really leading up to with your questions is
more
: like a dare for gawd to destroy itself. In case you haven't noticed,
what
: gawd can do vs what we'll do are a few of my favorite things. Only
georganns fall for stupid
: lies. Site: Erewhon.
There is really no point to reading georgann's tripe, or following it
up, either. So, why do I? What is that line from Flash Gordon, you
know, Ming carrying on about boredom?
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| User: "Andres64" |
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27 Jul 2005 04:54:37 PM |
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Misleart Chuff wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0D08C0.727A0%chenault@mindspring.com...
: Andres64 wrote:
:
: > "God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
: > omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus
it
: > *must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
: > existence (however you care to define that). What say you
believers?
:
: georgann (forgotten since 3:30 A.M.) wrote:
:
: Maybe it did. When gawd became man in jayzis chrisp (the one and
only gawd
: incantation) the twinity was fully boring. So you could say gawd
ended its own
: resistance (that that was before this event). It did it by entering
TIME Magazine, Inc.,
: experiencing inhuman boredom and then rejecting sanity (making it
still
: infernal).
:
: But what I think you're really leading up to with your questions is
more
: like a dare for gawd to destroy itself. In case you haven't noticed,
what
: gawd can do vs what we'll do are a few of my favorite things. Only
georganns fall for stupid
: lies. Site: Erewhon.
There is really no point to reading georgann's tripe, or following it
up, either. So, why do I? What is that line from Flash Gordon, you
know, Ming carrying on about boredom?
Don't worry. I'm quite familiar with Georgann (a.k.a. "The Rock" - as
stubborn and intelligent as one).
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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28 Jul 2005 07:36:10 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:54:37 -0500, Andres64 wrote
(in article <1122501277.568267.47610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>):
Misleart Chuff wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0D08C0.727A0%chenault@mindspring.com...
Andres64 wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus
it
*must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
existence (however you care to define that). What say you
believers?
georgann (forgotten since 3:30 A.M.) wrote:
Maybe it did. When gawd became man in jayzis chrisp (the one and
only gawd
incantation) the twinity was fully boring. So you could say gawd
ended its own
resistance (that that was before this event). It did it by entering
TIME Magazine, Inc.,
experiencing inhuman boredom and then rejecting sanity (making it
still
infernal).
But what I think you're really leading up to with your questions is
more
like a dare for gawd to destroy itself. In case you haven't noticed,
what
gawd can do vs what we'll do are a few of my favorite things. Only
georganns fall for stupid
lies. Site: Erewhon.
There is really no point to reading georgann's tripe, or following it
up, either. So, why do I? What is that line from Flash Gordon, you
know, Ming carrying on about boredom?
Don't worry. I'm quite familiar with Georgann (a.k.a. "The Rock" - as
stubborn and intelligent as one).
Apologize at once, or face piles of angry rocks gathering at your doors.
Rocks are much more intelligent.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"Your god wears fuzzy, pink, bunny slippers."
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| User: "Andres64" |
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| Title: Re: Another hole in the omnipotent "God"... |
27 Jul 2005 04:55:21 PM |
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Misleart Chuff wrote:
"georgann" <chenault@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:BF0D08C0.727A0%chenault@mindspring.com...
: Andres64 wrote:
:
: > "God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
: > omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus
it
: > *must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
: > existence (however you care to define that). What say you
believers?
:
: georgann (forgotten since 3:30 A.M.) wrote:
:
: Maybe it did. When gawd became man in jayzis chrisp (the one and
only gawd
: incantation) the twinity was fully boring. So you could say gawd
ended its own
: resistance (that that was before this event). It did it by entering
TIME Magazine, Inc.,
: experiencing inhuman boredom and then rejecting sanity (making it
still
: infernal).
:
: But what I think you're really leading up to with your questions is
more
: like a dare for gawd to destroy itself. In case you haven't noticed,
what
: gawd can do vs what we'll do are a few of my favorite things. Only
georganns fall for stupid
: lies. Site: Erewhon.
There is really no point to reading georgann's tripe, or following it
up, either. So, why do I? What is that line from Flash Gordon, you
know, Ming carrying on about boredom?
Don't worry. I'm quite familiar with Georgann (a.k.a. "The Rock" - as
stubborn and intelligent as one). Has she shown her string-art "proof"
of the Bible?
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| User: "Sasha" |
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27 Jul 2005 09:01:36 AM |
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In case you haven't noticed, what
God can do vs will do are separate things.
Just like how He can end all suffering, war, cruelty and starvation on
Earth - he just won't, or doesn't want to.
So God is Omnipotent after all. He also sounds like a complete *****.
Enjoy that afterlife, spanky.
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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27 Jul 2005 10:12:11 AM |
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Sasha wrote:
In case you haven't noticed, what
God can do vs will do are separate things.
Just like how He can end all suffering, war, cruelty and starvation on
Earth - he just won't, or doesn't want to.
So God is Omnipotent after all. He also sounds like a complete *****.
Enjoy that afterlife, spanky.
And if we add in the "omnibenevolent" bit, then the god-thingy would
indeed *want* to end suffering, etc.
And thus it contradicts itself out of existence.
"Here endeth the lesson."
JM
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| User: "Just Mark" |
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27 Jul 2005 10:34:38 AM |
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georgann wrote:
Andres64 wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus it
*must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
existence (however you care to define that). What say you believers?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Maybe He did. When God became man in Jesus Christ (the one and only God
incarnate) the Trinity was fully born. So you could say God ended His own
existence (that that was before this event). He did it by entering TIME,
experiencing human death and then rejecting death (making Him still
eternal).
Do you even read what you write? That's the most convoluted,
jammed-together, out-of-your-mind group of thoughts....
So, this god-thingy (which nobody has ever proved exists) is part of an
eternal "Trinity" which at one time (a phrase with contradicts the
concept of "eternal") wasn't eternal because it wasn't "fully
born"...whatever that means (kinda like being "sort of pregnant", I
suppose). And then this critter "entered time"...how does that work?
And then it died, but didn't die....
Sounds like a peyote vision to me.
But what I think you're really leading up to with your questions is more
like a dare for God to destroy Himself. In case you haven't noticed, what
God can do vs will do are separate things. Only humans fall for stupid
dares. Cite: Eve.
First, Eve is part of a fable...a "creation myth". Pretty much every
culture has one. The Navajo have one that says that man first appeared
on earth at Window Rock. I've seen Window Rock from both sides. In
the context of the Navajo myth, the front looks like a fully dilated
birth canal, and from the back you can look out and see -- for the
purposes of the myth -- the world.
But I don't believe the Navajo fable. Do you?
And there are plenty of other "creation myths". Why do you choose this
particular one, out of all that are available. Heck, at least Window
Rock actually exists. Take me to the "Garden of Eden".
Second, it wasn't a dare. The author was clearly pointing out how an
omnipotent god is logically contradictory. Surely, an omnipotent and
omniscient creature could find a way to make itself understood without
contradictions.
JM
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Another hole in the omnipotent "God"... |
27 Jul 2005 06:43:28 PM |
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On 27 Jul 2005 08:34:38 -0700, "Just Mark"
<neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote:
georgann wrote:
Andres64 wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus it
*must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
existence (however you care to define that). What say you believers?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Maybe He did. When God became man in Jesus Christ (the one and only God
incarnate) the Trinity was fully born. So you could say God ended His own
existence (that that was before this event). He did it by entering TIME,
experiencing human death and then rejecting death (making Him still
eternal).
Do you even read what you write? That's the most convoluted,
jammed-together, out-of-your-mind group of thoughts....
Bear in mind who you're talking to...
---
"This is how liberty dies: with thunderous applause"
- Padme Amidala, Episode III
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| User: "Liz" |
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28 Jul 2005 06:47:45 AM |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:43:28 -0400, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> in news message
<iv6ge157e6nkr4shj3vefsgkvnabcq0fam@4ax.com> wrote:
On 27 Jul 2005 08:34:38 -0700, "Just Mark"
<neverassumeyouknow@yahoo.com> wrote:
georgann wrote:
Andres64 wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus it
*must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
existence (however you care to define that). What say you believers?
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Maybe He did. When God became man in Jesus Christ (the one and only God
incarnate) the Trinity was fully born. So you could say God ended His own
existence (that that was before this event). He did it by entering TIME,
experiencing human death and then rejecting death (making Him still
eternal).
Do you even read what you write? That's the most convoluted,
jammed-together, out-of-your-mind group of thoughts....
Bear in mind who you're talking to...
georgann is the only person I know who is mutually exclusive.
Liz #658 BAAWA
You can define anything you want, any way you want. Defining it as such
is not the same as offering real world evidence to support your
assertion. -- Woden
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| User: "Bill" |
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28 Jul 2005 03:03:27 PM |
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I would say he has ended his existence.
We don't hear from him or see any Godly acts like saving the 270,000 people
from the Asian Tsunami.
If he still existed he would have at least saved the 100,000 totally
innocent children!
"Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1122464937.540253.153020@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus it
*must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
existence (however you care to define that). What say you believers?
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| User: "stoney" |
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03 Aug 2005 11:53:19 PM |
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On 27 Jul 2005 04:48:57 -0700, "Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com>
wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus it
*must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
existence (however you care to define that). What say you believers?
/believer
Slack-jawed drooling of incomprehension
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "duke" |
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27 Jul 2005 05:16:49 PM |
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On 27 Jul 2005 04:48:57 -0700, "Andres64" <andresc64@excite.com> wrote:
"God", is described as being eternal and/or "outside of time" and
omnipotent. But, being omnipotent, *anything* is possible. Thus it
*must* be possible for "God" to be capable of ending "His" own
existence (however you care to define that). What say you believers?
I think you're wasting good e-time. God is God. You're not even capable of
untying his sandals on his feet compared to God.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Sasha" |
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| Title: Re: Another hole in the omnipotent "God"... |
28 Jul 2005 09:38:45 AM |
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You're not even capable of
untying his sandals on his feet compared to God.
Aside from that comment making no sense whatsoever...
God doesn't exist.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Another hole in the omnipotent "God"... |
28 Jul 2005 06:09:18 PM |
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On 28 Jul 2005 07:38:45 -0700, "Sasha" <scironi@gmail.com> wrote:
Aside from that comment making no sense whatsoever...
God doesn't exist.
Well, this is your chance to show why. Care to go for it?
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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| Title: Re: Another hole in the omnipotent "God"... |
28 Jul 2005 06:11:57 PM |
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duke wrote:
On 28 Jul 2005 07:38:45 -0700, "Sasha" <scironi@gmail.com> wrote:
Aside from that comment making no sense whatsoever...
God doesn't exist.
Well, this is your chance to show why. Care to go for it?
Sure. "Ra." Hope that helps.
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* "No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, *
* the non-existence of Zeus or Thor - but they *
* have few followers now." Arthur C. Clarke *
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| User: "Ben Goren" |
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| Title: Re: Another hole in the omnipotent "God"... |
04 Aug 2005 01:00:12 AM |
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DanielSan wrote:
duke wrote:
Sasha wrote:
Aside from that comment making no sense whatsoever... God
doesn't exist.
Well, this is your chance to show why. Care to go for it?
Sure. "Ra." Hope that helps.
Sun god! Sun god! Ra, Ra, Ra!
Cheers,
b&
--
BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
All but God can prove this sentence true.
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| User: "Sasha" |
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| Title: Re: Another hole in the omnipotent "God"... |
27 Jul 2005 08:18:54 AM |
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You're using words that are far too large and complicated for believers
to comprehend.
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