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User: "George W. Bush"
Date: 09 Nov 2004 08:23:28 PM
Object: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot
Druggists refuse to give out pill
Tue Nov 9, 6:54 AM ET
By Charisse Jones, USA TODAY
For a year, Julee Lacey stopped in a CVS pharmacy near her home in a
Fort Worth suburb to get refills of her birth-control pills. Then one
day last March, the pharmacist refused to fill Lacey's prescription
because she did not believe in birth control.
"I was shocked," says Lacey, 33, who was not able to get her
prescription until the next day and missed taking one of her pills.
"Their job is not to regulate what people take or do. It's just to
fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician."
Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to
fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island to
Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.
Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's right
to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered similar
bills this year.
The American Pharmacists Association, with 50,000 members, has a
policy that says druggists can refuse to fill prescriptions if they
object on moral grounds, but they must make arrangements so a patient
can still get the pills. Yet some pharmacists have refused to hand the
prescription to another druggist to fill.
In Madison, Wis., a pharmacist faces possible disciplinary action by
the state pharmacy board for refusing to transfer a woman's
prescription for birth-control pills to another druggist or to give
the slip back to her. He would not refill it because of his religious
views.
Some advocates for women's reproductive rights are worried that such
actions by pharmacists and legislatures are gaining momentum.
The U.S. House of Representatives passed a provision in September that
would block federal funds from local, state and federal authorities if
they make health care workers perform, pay for or make referrals for
abortions.
"We have always understood that the battles about abortion were just
the tip of a larger ideological iceberg, and that it's really birth
control that they're after also," says Gloria Feldt, president of
Planned Parenthood Federation of America.
"The explosion in the number of legislative initiatives and the number
of individuals who are just saying, 'We're not going to fill that
prescription for you because we don't believe in it' is astonishing,"
she said.
Pharmacists have moved to the front of the debate because of such
drugs as the "morning-after" pill, which is emergency contraception
that can prevent fertilization if taken within 120 hours of
unprotected intercourse.
While some pharmacists cite religious reasons for opposing birth
control, others believe life begins with fertilization and see
hormonal contraceptives, and the morning-after pill in particular, as
capable of causing an abortion.
"I refuse to dispense a drug with a significant mechanism to stop
human life," says Karen Brauer, president of the 1,500-member
Pharmacists for Life International. Brauer was fired in 1996 after she
refused to refill a prescription for birth-control pills at a Kmart in
the Cincinnati suburb of Delhi Township.
Lacey, of North Richland Hills, Texas, filed a complaint with the
Texas Board of Pharmacy after her prescription was refused in March.
In February, another Texas pharmacist at an Eckerd drug store in
Denton wouldn't give contraceptives to a woman who was said to be a
rape victim.
In the Madison case, pharmacist Neil Noesen, 30, after refusing to
refill a birth-control prescription, did not transfer it to another
pharmacist or return it to the woman. She was able to get her
prescription refilled two days later at the same pharmacy, but she
missed a pill because of the delay.
She filed a complaint after the incident occurred in the summer of
2002 in Menomonie, Wis. Christopher Klein, spokesman for Wisconsin's
Department of Regulation and Licensing, says the issue is that Noesen
didn't transfer or return the prescription. A hearing was held in
October. The most severe punishment would be revoking Noesen's
pharmacist license, but Klein says that is unlikely.
Susan Winckler, spokeswoman and staff counsel for the American
Pharmacists Association, says it is rare that pharmacists refuse to
fill a prescription for moral reasons. She says it is even less common
for a pharmacist to refuse to provide a referral.
"The reality is every one of those instances is one too many,"
Winckler says. "Our policy supports stepping away but not
obstructing."
In the 1970s, because of abortion and sterilization, some states
adopted refusal clauses to allow certain health care professionals to
opt out of providing those services. The issue re-emerged in the
1990s, says Adam Sonfield of the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which
researches reproductive issues.
Sonfield says medical workers, insurers and employers increasingly
want the right to refuse certain services because of medical
developments, such as the "morning-after" pill, embryonic stem-cell
research and assisted suicide.
"The more health care items you have that people feel are
controversial, some people are going to object and want to opt out of
being a part of that," he says.
In Wisconsin, a petition drive is underway to revive a proposed law
that would protect pharmacists who refuse to prescribe drugs they
believe could cause an abortion or be used for assisted suicide.
"It just recognizes that pharmacists should not be forced to choose
between their consciences and their livelihoods," says Matt Sande of
Pro-Life Wisconsin. "They should not be compelled to become parties to
abortion."
I'm George W. Bush, and I approve of this message.
.

User: "FAITH HURST"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 13 Nov 2004 07:02:15 PM
"George W. Bush" <BabyKiller@WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote in message
news:10p2upc536ng74d@corp.supernews.com...

Druggists refuse to give out pill

Tue Nov 9, 6:54 AM ET
By Charisse Jones, USA TODAY

For a year, Julee Lacey stopped in a CVS pharmacy near her home in a
Fort Worth suburb to get refills of her birth-control pills. Then one
day last March, the pharmacist refused to fill Lacey's prescription
because she did not believe in birth control.

"I was shocked," says Lacey, 33, who was not able to get her
prescription until the next day and missed taking one of her pills.
"Their job is not to regulate what people take or do. It's just to
fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician."


Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to
fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island to
Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.


Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's right
to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered similar
bills this year.


The American Pharmacists Association, with 50,000 members, has a
policy that says druggists can refuse to fill prescriptions if they
object on moral grounds, but they must make arrangements so a patient
can still get the pills. Yet some pharmacists have refused to hand the
prescription to another druggist to fill.


In Madison, Wis., a pharmacist faces possible disciplinary action by
the state pharmacy board for refusing to transfer a woman's
prescription for birth-control pills to another druggist or to give
the slip back to her. He would not refill it because of his religious
views.


Some advocates for women's reproductive rights are worried that such
actions by pharmacists and legislatures are gaining momentum.


The U.S. House of Representatives passed a provision in September that
would block federal funds from local, state and federal authorities if
they make health care workers perform, pay for or make referrals for
abortions.


"We have always understood that the battles about abortion were just
the tip of a larger ideological iceberg, and that it's really birth
control that they're after also," says Gloria Feldt, president of
Planned Parenthood Federation of America.


"The explosion in the number of legislative initiatives and the number
of individuals who are just saying, 'We're not going to fill that
prescription for you because we don't believe in it' is astonishing,"
she said.


Pharmacists have moved to the front of the debate because of such
drugs as the "morning-after" pill, which is emergency contraception
that can prevent fertilization if taken within 120 hours of
unprotected intercourse.


While some pharmacists cite religious reasons for opposing birth
control, others believe life begins with fertilization and see
hormonal contraceptives, and the morning-after pill in particular, as
capable of causing an abortion.


"I refuse to dispense a drug with a significant mechanism to stop
human life," says Karen Brauer, president of the 1,500-member
Pharmacists for Life International. Brauer was fired in 1996 after she
refused to refill a prescription for birth-control pills at a Kmart in
the Cincinnati suburb of Delhi Township.


Lacey, of North Richland Hills, Texas, filed a complaint with the
Texas Board of Pharmacy after her prescription was refused in March.
In February, another Texas pharmacist at an Eckerd drug store in
Denton wouldn't give contraceptives to a woman who was said to be a
rape victim.


In the Madison case, pharmacist Neil Noesen, 30, after refusing to
refill a birth-control prescription, did not transfer it to another
pharmacist or return it to the woman. She was able to get her
prescription refilled two days later at the same pharmacy, but she
missed a pill because of the delay.


She filed a complaint after the incident occurred in the summer of
2002 in Menomonie, Wis. Christopher Klein, spokesman for Wisconsin's
Department of Regulation and Licensing, says the issue is that Noesen
didn't transfer or return the prescription. A hearing was held in
October. The most severe punishment would be revoking Noesen's
pharmacist license, but Klein says that is unlikely.


Susan Winckler, spokeswoman and staff counsel for the American
Pharmacists Association, says it is rare that pharmacists refuse to
fill a prescription for moral reasons. She says it is even less common
for a pharmacist to refuse to provide a referral.


"The reality is every one of those instances is one too many,"
Winckler says. "Our policy supports stepping away but not
obstructing."

In the 1970s, because of abortion and sterilization, some states
adopted refusal clauses to allow certain health care professionals to
opt out of providing those services. The issue re-emerged in the
1990s, says Adam Sonfield of the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which
researches reproductive issues.

Sonfield says medical workers, insurers and employers increasingly
want the right to refuse certain services because of medical
developments, such as the "morning-after" pill, embryonic stem-cell
research and assisted suicide.

"The more health care items you have that people feel are
controversial, some people are going to object and want to opt out of
being a part of that," he says.

In Wisconsin, a petition drive is underway to revive a proposed law
that would protect pharmacists who refuse to prescribe drugs they
believe could cause an abortion or be used for assisted suicide.

"It just recognizes that pharmacists should not be forced to choose
between their consciences and their livelihoods," says Matt Sande of
Pro-Life Wisconsin. "They should not be compelled to become parties to
abortion."


I'm George W. Bush, and I approve of this message.

If you don't believe in dispensing the legal drugs that a licensed physician
prescribes, then you should not do this job.
--
Clayskye #4
.

User: "ZenIsWhen"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 10 Nov 2004 12:03:07 AM
"George W. Bush" <BabyKiller@WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote in message
news:10p2upc536ng74d@corp.supernews.com...

Druggists refuse to give out pill

Tue Nov 9, 6:54 AM ET
By Charisse Jones, USA TODAY

For a year, Julee Lacey stopped in a CVS pharmacy near her home in a
Fort Worth suburb to get refills of her birth-control pills. Then one
day last March, the pharmacist refused to fill Lacey's prescription
because she did not believe in birth control.

"I was shocked," says Lacey, 33, who was not able to get her
prescription until the next day and missed taking one of her pills.
"Their job is not to regulate what people take or do. It's just to
fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician."


Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to
fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island to
Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.


Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's right
to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered similar
bills this year.


The American Pharmacists Association, with 50,000 members, has a
policy that says druggists can refuse to fill prescriptions if they
object on moral grounds, but they must make arrangements so a patient
can still get the pills. Yet some pharmacists have refused to hand the
prescription to another druggist to fill.


In Madison, Wis., a pharmacist faces possible disciplinary action by
the state pharmacy board for refusing to transfer a woman's
prescription for birth-control pills to another druggist or to give
the slip back to her. He would not refill it because of his religious
views.


Some advocates for women's reproductive rights are worried that such
actions by pharmacists and legislatures are gaining momentum.


The U.S. House of Representatives passed a provision in September that
would block federal funds from local, state and federal authorities if
they make health care workers perform, pay for or make referrals for
abortions.


"We have always understood that the battles about abortion were just
the tip of a larger ideological iceberg, and that it's really birth
control that they're after also," says Gloria Feldt, president of
Planned Parenthood Federation of America.


"The explosion in the number of legislative initiatives and the number
of individuals who are just saying, 'We're not going to fill that
prescription for you because we don't believe in it' is astonishing,"
she said.


Pharmacists have moved to the front of the debate because of such
drugs as the "morning-after" pill, which is emergency contraception
that can prevent fertilization if taken within 120 hours of
unprotected intercourse.


While some pharmacists cite religious reasons for opposing birth
control, others believe life begins with fertilization and see
hormonal contraceptives, and the morning-after pill in particular, as
capable of causing an abortion.


"I refuse to dispense a drug with a significant mechanism to stop
human life," says Karen Brauer, president of the 1,500-member
Pharmacists for Life International. Brauer was fired in 1996 after she
refused to refill a prescription for birth-control pills at a Kmart in
the Cincinnati suburb of Delhi Township.


Lacey, of North Richland Hills, Texas, filed a complaint with the
Texas Board of Pharmacy after her prescription was refused in March.
In February, another Texas pharmacist at an Eckerd drug store in
Denton wouldn't give contraceptives to a woman who was said to be a
rape victim.


In the Madison case, pharmacist Neil Noesen, 30, after refusing to
refill a birth-control prescription, did not transfer it to another
pharmacist or return it to the woman. She was able to get her
prescription refilled two days later at the same pharmacy, but she
missed a pill because of the delay.


She filed a complaint after the incident occurred in the summer of
2002 in Menomonie, Wis. Christopher Klein, spokesman for Wisconsin's
Department of Regulation and Licensing, says the issue is that Noesen
didn't transfer or return the prescription. A hearing was held in
October. The most severe punishment would be revoking Noesen's
pharmacist license, but Klein says that is unlikely.


Susan Winckler, spokeswoman and staff counsel for the American
Pharmacists Association, says it is rare that pharmacists refuse to
fill a prescription for moral reasons. She says it is even less common
for a pharmacist to refuse to provide a referral.


"The reality is every one of those instances is one too many,"
Winckler says. "Our policy supports stepping away but not
obstructing."

In the 1970s, because of abortion and sterilization, some states
adopted refusal clauses to allow certain health care professionals to
opt out of providing those services. The issue re-emerged in the
1990s, says Adam Sonfield of the Alan Guttmacher Institute, which
researches reproductive issues.

Sonfield says medical workers, insurers and employers increasingly
want the right to refuse certain services because of medical
developments, such as the "morning-after" pill, embryonic stem-cell
research and assisted suicide.

"The more health care items you have that people feel are
controversial, some people are going to object and want to opt out of
being a part of that," he says.

In Wisconsin, a petition drive is underway to revive a proposed law
that would protect pharmacists who refuse to prescribe drugs they
believe could cause an abortion or be used for assisted suicide.

"It just recognizes that pharmacists should not be forced to choose
between their consciences and their livelihoods," says Matt Sande of
Pro-Life Wisconsin. "They should not be compelled to become parties to
abortion."


I'm George W. Bush, and I approve of this message.

What next? Refuse to sell pencils because they might be used to write
complaints against George Bush?
Forgive racist cops, because they refuse to protect black citizens?
The bottom line - if you do not want to dispense medicines, do not become a
pharmacist.
.
User: "Mike Hutton"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 10 Nov 2004 07:48:11 AM
"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message news:<10p3bof8hdbdb67@corp.supernews.com>...

"George W. Bush" <BabyKiller@WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote in message
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Druggists refuse to give out pill

What next? Refuse to sell pencils because they might be used to write
complaints against George Bush?
Forgive racist cops, because they refuse to protect black citizens?

The bottom line - if you do not want to dispense medicines, do not become a
pharmacist.

Oh, grow up.
These people own their own businesses. There's nothing that forces a
Jewish restaurant to sell bacon, is there? If you want contraceptives,
someone out there will sell them to you. All that would be needed is
for someone to open up a rival pharmacy and you'll soon see who visits
which establishment. But it is a gross invasion of civil liberties to
insist that someone is forced to participate in a practice they find
abhorrent on moral/religious grounds.
Would you force all nurses/doctors to have to agree to participate in
abortions?
I guess the answer is yes. I would also guess that you'd lose a lot of
otherwise valuable healthcare professionals.
I would guess the original poster on this thread would want to regard
him/herself as a "liberal". If so, it seems he/she has forgotten what
liberalism is all about. It is not about forcing people to do things
against their will just because you disagree with their ideology.
.... "hate filled bigot"... Hmm.
Mike.
.
User: "FAITH HURST"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 13 Nov 2004 07:08:52 PM
"Mike Hutton" <huttm@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote in message

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"George W. Bush" <BabyKiller@WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote in message
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Druggists refuse to give out pill

What next? Refuse to sell pencils because they might be used to write
complaints against George Bush?
Forgive racist cops, because they refuse to protect black citizens?

The bottom line - if you do not want to dispense medicines, do not

become a

pharmacist.


Oh, grow up.

These people own their own businesses.

I missed that part. Where did it say that these people own their own
businesses? What I read was that they are required to pass the prescription
to someone else. Most pharmacists work for large companies with many
stores.
If this is only being done in small self-owned pharmacies, then the last
remaining few will be out of business soon.
--
Clayskye #4
.



User: ""

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 10 Nov 2004 05:55:48 PM
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:23:28 GMT,
(George W.
Bush) wrote:

Druggists refuse to give out pill

Tue Nov 9, 6:54 AM ET
By Charisse Jones, USA TODAY

For a year, Julee Lacey stopped in a CVS pharmacy near her home in a
Fort Worth suburb to get refills of her birth-control pills. Then one
day last March, the pharmacist refused to fill Lacey's prescription
because she did not believe in birth control.

"I was shocked," says Lacey, 33, who was not able to get her
prescription until the next day and missed taking one of her pills.
"Their job is not to regulate what people take or do. It's just to
fill the prescription that was ordered by my physician."


Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to
fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island to
Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.

If my personal views conflicted with my work I'd be fired. They say so
right up front, and we review it each year.
Off color jokes, ogling at women, racial bias etc - if reported means
dismissal.
That pharmacist is refusing to do the job and should be fired. I read
about such a case a while ago, the pharmacist *was fired, and the drug
chain made a public statement that it was not their policy.
I'd dedicate lots of time making calls and writing letters if my
pharmacist refused me my medicine. Can you imagine the GALL!!
drift
.

User: "The Last Liberal"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 09 Nov 2004 07:56:44 PM
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:23:28 GMT,
(George W.
Bush) wrote:

Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to
fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island to
Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.

So if someone objects to Jews or Anglos or Black people from receiving
pain killers on "moral grounds," that's legal?
--
"Terrorism" isn't the enemy: George W Bush is!
http://lastliberal.org
Voting Republican makes baby Jesus cry!
.
User: "The other Donald"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 09 Nov 2004 09:51:03 PM
"The Last Liberal" <desertphile@cchr.ws> wrote in message
news:2vdeh8F2kd2ddU2@uni-berlin.de...

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:23:28 GMT,

(George W.
Bush) wrote:

Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to
fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island to
Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.


So if someone objects to Jews or Anglos or Black people from receiving
pain killers on "moral grounds," that's legal?

What if a vegan decided to not fill a prescription because they felt the
testing of said drug was done against their "morals?"
.....or a refill for any HIV medication to a gay person?
.....or a new-ager that decided Prozac was against their "morals?"
.....or a Jehovah Witness that decided blood pressure medication or insulin
was against their "morals?"
Welcome to the slippery slope.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
.
User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 09 Nov 2004 11:03:21 PM
"The other Donald" <the_donald_13@yeehaw2.com> wrote in
news:Hegkd.45872$tL5.15227@fe2.texas.rr.com:


"The Last Liberal" <desertphile@cchr.ws> wrote in message
news:2vdeh8F2kd2ddU2@uni-berlin.de...

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:23:28 GMT,

(George
W. Bush) wrote:

Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to
fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island
to Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.


So if someone objects to Jews or Anglos or Black people from
receiving pain killers on "moral grounds," that's legal?


What if a vegan decided to not fill a prescription because they felt
the testing of said drug was done against their "morals?"

....or a refill for any HIV medication to a gay person?

....or a new-ager that decided Prozac was against their "morals?"

....or a Jehovah Witness that decided blood pressure medication or
insulin was against their "morals?"

Welcome to the slippery slope.

Or a xtian scientist nurse who refuses to perform a blood transfusion?
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
*sig broken; watch for finger*
.

User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 09 Nov 2004 10:40:05 PM
TV's The other Donald wrote:

"The Last Liberal" <desertphile@cchr.ws> wrote in message
news:2vdeh8F2kd2ddU2@uni-berlin.de...

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:23:28 GMT,

(George
W. Bush) wrote:

Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to
fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island
to Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.


So if someone objects to Jews or Anglos or Black people from
receiving pain killers on "moral grounds," that's legal?


What if a vegan decided to not fill a prescription because they felt
the testing of said drug was done against their "morals?"

....or a refill for any HIV medication to a gay person?

....or a new-ager that decided Prozac was against their "morals?"

....or a Jehovah Witness that decided blood pressure medication or
insulin was against their "morals?"

Welcome to the slippery slope.

Or what if a police officer refuses to assist a black motorist?
--
"Them white boys had me on crystal meth" - some crackhead in GTA:SA
aa #2133
ap #19
.


User: "George W. Bush"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 10 Nov 2004 10:04:37 PM
(The Last Liberal) wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:23:28 GMT,

(George W.
Bush) wrote:

Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to
fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island to
Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.

So if someone objects to Jews or Anglos or Black people from receiving
pain killers on "moral grounds," that's legal?

Welcome to the new United States. All the progress that's been made over
the past 60 years is being chopped up and thrown away.
I'm George W. Bush, and I approve of this message.
.

User: "duke"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 10 Nov 2004 05:30:40 PM
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:56:44 GMT,
(The Last Liberal) wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:23:28 GMT,

(George W.
Bush) wrote:

Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to
fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island to
Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.


So if someone objects to Jews or Anglos or Black people from receiving
pain killers on "moral grounds," that's legal?

Obviously a druggist doen't have to carry something if he doesn't want to.
duke
*****
Matthew 22
14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
.
User: "Marvin"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 10 Nov 2004 07:24:29 PM
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:0495p05m29ovsu23t5rm3t15oftefibl9e@4ax.com...

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:56:44 GMT,

(The

Last Liberal) wrote:


On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:23:28 GMT,


(George W.

Bush) wrote:

Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral

grounds to

fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from

Rhode Island to

Washington have proposed laws that would protect such

decisions.


So if someone objects to Jews or Anglos or Black people

from receiving

pain killers on "moral grounds," that's legal?


Obviously a druggist doen't have to carry something if he

doesn't want to.

duke

Obviously? So a Christian Scientist opposed to all medicine
can open a "pharmacy" and refuse to stock any medicine? He or
she probably wouldn't succeed in convincing people not to take
that nasty medicine, but if it's late enough in the day at
least some wouldn't be able to get it until the next day, and,
obviously, some could die. But if it's a religious conviction
we're supposed to accept that. Obviously.
What's obvious to me is that a pharmacist who can't dispense
medicine has wasted five years of his or her life training for
a profession he or she can't honestly engage in. What a
foolish way for a person to plan for the future. And what can
be said of lawmakers in RI and WA who encourage such
foolishness, if they do indeed exist.
--
Marvin
To reply, burn off fog.
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 12 Nov 2004 05:26:47 PM
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:24:29 -0600, "Marvin" <marvin2@fogstarband.net> wrote:

Obviously a druggist doen't have to carry something if he

doesn't want to.

duke

Obviously? So a Christian Scientist opposed to all medicine
can open a "pharmacy" and refuse to stock any medicine?

Sure, it's a free country.

He or
she probably wouldn't succeed in convincing people not to take
that nasty medicine, but if it's late enough in the day at
least some wouldn't be able to get it until the next day, and,
obviously, some could die. But if it's a religious conviction
we're supposed to accept that. Obviously.

Say what?

What's obvious to me is that a pharmacist who can't dispense
medicine has wasted five years of his or her life training for
a profession he or she can't honestly engage in.

It's his money.

What a
foolish way for a person to plan for the future. And what can
be said of lawmakers in RI and WA who encourage such
foolishness, if they do indeed exist.

I gather they know it's a free country also.
duke
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14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
*****
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User: "The Last Liberal"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 13 Nov 2004 09:14:55 AM
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:30:40 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:56:44 GMT,

(The Last Liberal) wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:23:28 GMT,

(George W.
Bush) wrote:

Some pharmacists, however, disagree and refuse on moral grounds to
fill prescriptions for contraceptives. And states from Rhode Island to
Washington have proposed laws that would protect such decisions.

So if someone objects to Jews or Anglos or Black people from receiving
pain killers on "moral grounds," that's legal?

Obviously a druggist doen't have to carry something if he doesn't want to.
duke

Obviously you did not bother reading, nor thinking, about the issue.
Suppose I'm a doctor who finds your cult and your occultism morally
repugnant and socially evil; that means I may deny you medical care.
You would defend that denial?
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User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 09 Nov 2004 10:37:46 PM
TV's George W. Bush wrote:

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's right
to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered similar
bills this year.

Another example of the backwards thinking of the Natural State. Somebody
needs to let the state legislature know that it is no longer 1952.
--
"Them white boys had me on crystal meth" - some crackhead in GTA:SA
aa #2133
ap #19
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 10 Nov 2004 12:55:06 AM
In article <2vdk8jF2k9k78U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's George W. Bush wrote:

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's right
to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered similar
bills this year.


Another example of the backwards thinking of the Natural State. Somebody
needs to let the state legislature know that it is no longer 1952.

I think that you transposed some numbers in the date. Shouldn't it be
1592 or 1295?
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
.
User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 11 Nov 2004 08:29:55 PM
TV's johac wrote:

In article <2vdk8jF2k9k78U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's George W. Bush wrote:

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's
right to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered
similar bills this year.


Another example of the backwards thinking of the Natural State.
Somebody needs to let the state legislature know that it is no
longer 1952.


I think that you transposed some numbers in the date. Shouldn't it be
1592 or 1295?

1259.
--
"Them white boys had me on crystal meth" - some crackhead in GTA:SA
aa #2133
ap #19
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 12 Nov 2004 12:18:25 AM
In article <2vilgtF2lg8hfU1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's johac wrote:

In article <2vdk8jF2k9k78U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

TV's George W. Bush wrote:

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's
right to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered
similar bills this year.


Another example of the backwards thinking of the Natural State.
Somebody needs to let the state legislature know that it is no
longer 1952.


I think that you transposed some numbers in the date. Shouldn't it be
1592 or 1295?


1259.

That too as well as 1529.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04
.
User: "THE KGB"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 12 Nov 2004 03:55:26 PM

TV's George W. Bush wrote:

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's
right to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered
similar bills this year.


Another example of the backwards thinking of the Natural State.
Somebody needs to let the state legislature know that it is no
longer 1952.


I think that you transposed some numbers in the date. Shouldn't it be
1592 or 1295?


1259.


That too as well as 1529.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782

Which raises the question: Can a people that believes more fervently
in theVirgin Birth than in evolution still be called an Enlightened
nation?-Garry Wills, New York Times 11/04/04

Abslutely not
Actually in the original versions of the bible it does not say Mary was a
virgin at all but a "young woman". I think a little deliberate
mistranslation by the Catholics Hmm? Did you know that Jesus was married? To
Mary Magdalene no less. Another delibertae ***** up by the catholic
re-writers.
You ought to ask a christian how many gospels there actually are- 4 is the
usual answer- more like 18 and they all tell a different myth.
Anyway who would want to worship a being that causes genocide, loves fear
and lets his (catholic claimed son) be butchered?
Has anyone here read Bloodlines of the Holy Grail? Cool reference book for
fellow atheists
thekgb
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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 14 Nov 2004 01:31:30 PM
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:37:46 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:

TV's George W. Bush wrote:

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's right
to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered similar
bills this year.


Another example of the backwards thinking of the Natural State. Somebody
needs to let the state legislature know that it is no longer 1952.

It's 1650 and regressing rapidly.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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User: "nJb"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 10 Nov 2004 08:56:18 PM
towelie wrote:


TV's George W. Bush wrote:

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's right
to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered similar
bills this year.


Another example of the backwards thinking of the Natural State. Somebody
needs to let the state legislature know that it is no longer 1952.

In many states it is not yet 1952. It took the 2002 Olympics to move
Utah into the 20th century.
Jack
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 11 Nov 2004 05:50:33 AM
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:56:18 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> wrote:

towelie wrote:


TV's George W. Bush wrote:

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's right
to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered similar
bills this year.


Another example of the backwards thinking of the Natural State. Somebody
needs to let the state legislature know that it is no longer 1952.


In many states it is not yet 1952. It took the 2002 Olympics to move
Utah into the 20th century.

I wondered about that. Did they repeal some of their alcohol laws for
the visitors?

Jack

.
User: "nJb"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 11 Nov 2004 11:42:42 AM
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:


On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:56:18 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> wrote:

towelie wrote:


TV's George W. Bush wrote:

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in July
that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to not
participate in procedures that go against their conscience. South
Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a pharmacist's right
to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other states considered similar
bills this year.


Another example of the backwards thinking of the Natural State. Somebody
needs to let the state legislature know that it is no longer 1952.


In many states it is not yet 1952. It took the 2002 Olympics to move
Utah into the 20th century.


I wondered about that. Did they repeal some of their alcohol laws for
the visitors?

Jack

No repeals that I know of but enforcement seemed to be somewhat lax.
Jack
.
User: "towelie"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 11 Nov 2004 07:56:55 PM
TV's nJb wrote:

"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:


On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:56:18 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> wrote:

towelie wrote:


TV's George W. Bush wrote:

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in
July that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to
not participate in procedures that go against their conscience.
South Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a
pharmacist's right to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other
states considered similar bills this year.


Another example of the backwards thinking of the Natural State.
Somebody needs to let the state legislature know that it is no
longer 1952.


In many states it is not yet 1952. It took the 2002 Olympics to move
Utah into the 20th century.


I wondered about that. Did they repeal some of their alcohol laws for
the visitors?

Jack


No repeals that I know of but enforcement seemed to be somewhat lax.

Is caffeine legal in the state of Utah?
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"Them white boys had me on crystal meth" - some crackhead in GTA:SA
aa #2133
ap #19
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User: "nJb"

Title: Re: Another insane Christian hate filled bigot 11 Nov 2004 08:34:21 PM
towelie wrote:


TV's nJb wrote:

"Christopher A. Lee" wrote:


On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 19:56:18 -0700, nJb <NoNHL@all.com> wrote:

towelie wrote:


TV's George W. Bush wrote:

Mississippi enacted a sweeping statute that went into effect in
July that allows health care providers, including pharmacists, to
not participate in procedures that go against their conscience.
South Dakota and Arkansas already had laws that protect a
pharmacist's right to refuse to dispense medicines. Ten other
states considered similar bills this year.


Another example of the backwards thinking of the Natural State.
Somebody needs to let the state legislature know that it is no
longer 1952.


In many states it is not yet 1952. It took the 2002 Olympics to move
Utah into the 20th century.


I wondered about that. Did they repeal some of their alcohol laws for
the visitors?

Jack


No repeals that I know of but enforcement seemed to be somewhat lax.


Is caffeine legal in the state of Utah?

Legal, yes, but frowned upon in the form of coffee and tea by the
overwhelming majority. They drink lots of Coke and cocoa though. Dannon
coffee yogourt is my favorite but hard to find around here.
Jack
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