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"Budikka666" |
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21 May 2006 08:43:32 AM |
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Another Lie in the Bible |
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
Budikka
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| User: "Sam" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
22 May 2006 08:36:35 AM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
Budikka
In college there was a physics study group I was in for a while that had a
couple of folks constantly wanted to debate the bible vs science rather than
actually study. Recognizing the text as nothing more than theologic retoric
developed over six to seven hundred years out of an amalgamation of numerous
other near east traditions, I make it a policy not to waste time doing so,
but these guys just wouldn't let it go.
I bought an extra bible and I went through and highlighted verses describing
all sorts of horrendeous deeds by god, verses that alude to and demonstrate
older native mythologies out of which yahweh arose, references to native
gods of other cultures, blatent contraditions, atrocities, mythological or
symbolic numbers (4,7,12,40,70), scientific inaccuracies and other
intresting tidbits that show native origins or reflect influences of outside
cultures rather than as something truely unique to the ancient hebrews.
At first they tried to explain away each case one by one. We didn't make it
out of Genesis before he not so much gave up on his explanations (which were
quite humerous) as realized it would have taken a year to do so. It pretty
much broke up the study group.
I still use that same bible and whenever I run across things like this I
grab it and mark it. I'll have to add that to the list, though it's getting
pretty hard to read at this point.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
22 May 2006 10:24:51 AM |
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Sam wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
Budikka
In college there was a physics study group I was in for a while that had a
couple of folks constantly wanted to debate the bible vs science rather
than
actually study. Recognizing the text as nothing more than theologic
retoric developed over six to seven hundred years out of an amalgamation
of numerous other near east traditions, I make it a policy not to waste
time doing so, but these guys just wouldn't let it go.
I bought an extra bible and I went through and highlighted verses
describing all sorts of horrendeous deeds by god, verses that alude to and
demonstrate older native mythologies out of which yahweh arose, references
to native gods of other cultures, blatent contraditions, atrocities,
mythological or symbolic numbers (4,7,12,40,70), scientific inaccuracies
and other intresting tidbits that show native origins or reflect
influences of outside cultures rather than as something truely unique to
the ancient hebrews.
At first they tried to explain away each case one by one. We didn't make
it out of Genesis before he not so much gave up on his explanations (which
were
quite humerous) as realized it would have taken a year to do so. It
pretty much broke up the study group.
I still use that same bible and whenever I run across things like this I
grab it and mark it. I'll have to add that to the list, though it's
getting pretty hard to read at this point.
You need to look around for a freebie bible search type program.
You can load a bible to hard disk and cut' n 'snip and save stuff to a
text file in a directory.
Search functions allow you to look stuff up quickly.
Loads of fun.
Luke 14:33
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he
cannot be my disciple.
--
Asked to explain, Eichmann said, "My fellow officers
and I coined our own name for our language. We called
it amtssprache -- 'office talk.'" In office talk "you deny
responsibility for your actions. So if anybody says, 'Why
did you do it?' you say, 'I had to.' 'Why did you have to?'
'Superiors' orders. Company policy. It's the law.'"
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Sam" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
22 May 2006 10:35:44 AM |
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"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:1273llc471m3t21@corp.supernews.com...
Sam wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
Budikka
In college there was a physics study group I was in for a while that had
a
couple of folks constantly wanted to debate the bible vs science rather
than
actually study. Recognizing the text as nothing more than theologic
retoric developed over six to seven hundred years out of an amalgamation
of numerous other near east traditions, I make it a policy not to waste
time doing so, but these guys just wouldn't let it go.
I bought an extra bible and I went through and highlighted verses
describing all sorts of horrendeous deeds by god, verses that alude to
and
demonstrate older native mythologies out of which yahweh arose,
references
to native gods of other cultures, blatent contraditions, atrocities,
mythological or symbolic numbers (4,7,12,40,70), scientific inaccuracies
and other intresting tidbits that show native origins or reflect
influences of outside cultures rather than as something truely unique to
the ancient hebrews.
At first they tried to explain away each case one by one. We didn't
make
it out of Genesis before he not so much gave up on his explanations
(which
were
quite humerous) as realized it would have taken a year to do so. It
pretty much broke up the study group.
I still use that same bible and whenever I run across things like this I
grab it and mark it. I'll have to add that to the list, though it's
getting pretty hard to read at this point.
You need to look around for a freebie bible search type program.
You can load a bible to hard disk and cut' n 'snip and save stuff to a
text file in a directory.
Search functions allow you to look stuff up quickly.
Loads of fun.
I've done that with biblegateway.com. In combination with the highlighting
feature from Google's toolbar you can do things such as pull up the story of
noah and highlight the occurances of something like the word "seven". It
jumps right out at you where any rational person should ask themeslves why
it shows up so much.
Luke 14:33
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath,
he
cannot be my disciple.
--
Asked to explain, Eichmann said, "My fellow officers
and I coined our own name for our language. We called
it amtssprache -- 'office talk.'" In office talk "you deny
responsibility for your actions. So if anybody says, 'Why
did you do it?' you say, 'I had to.' 'Why did you have to?'
'Superiors' orders. Company policy. It's the law.'"
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Wendelina" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
22 May 2006 11:30:04 AM |
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"Sam" <sam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:kTkcg.344$Sf2.229@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
I've done that with biblegateway.com. In combination with the
highlighting
feature from Google's toolbar you can do things such as pull up the story
of
noah and highlight the occurances of something like the word "seven". It
jumps right out at you where any rational person should ask themeslves why
it shows up so much.
I know perfectly rational, well educated people who lose all rationality
when it comes to religion and what they're willing to blindly swallow. It
truly believe what I read years ago, that man wants to believe in gods,
needs to believe in them because he can't accept the inevitability and
finality of his own death. The thought that he would be unconscious. Gone
forever. Anything was better than that..........
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WE............
http://www.cultwatch.com/jw.html
www.freeminds.org
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
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| User: "Wendelina" |
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22 May 2006 10:33:45 AM |
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"wbarwell" <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com> wrote in message
news:1273llc471m3t21@corp.supernews.com...
Luke 14:33
So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath,
he
cannot be my disciple.
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And just how many believers do you think actually do as Jesus said above?
They may give 5 or even 10% of their income to their church, but you can be
sure they still have that big RV, that inground pool, that yearly vacation
in Aruba.......
--
WE.........
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
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| User: "Milan" |
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21 May 2006 11:26:27 AM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
You're being silly. If you order lamb and they bring you chicken you'd
notice immediately (unless it was soaked in Teriyaki sauce or other crap
like that). Paul was talking from the culinary point of view, obviously.
regards
Milan
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 04:48:31 PM |
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Milan wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
You're being silly. If you order lamb and they bring you chicken you'd
notice immediately (unless it was soaked in Teriyaki sauce or other crap
like that). Paul was talking from the culinary point of view, obviously.
Churches substitute wafers for Jesus's flesh de rigeur and no one ever
notices....
Budikka
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| User: "Greywolf" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 11:24:05 AM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
Budikka
And it makes one wonder why this 'God' of theirs decided to 'create' both
'clean' and 'unclean' animals? Don't they see that this gives their God the
pretext to 'punish' man even more. Have you no idea how hard it was to avoid
'unclean' animals back then -- especially* when you were starving to death
due to a God-imposed famine?
Greywolf
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| User: "Sam" |
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22 May 2006 08:38:55 AM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:127151bet9gqq65@corp.supernews.com...
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
Budikka
And it makes one wonder why this 'God' of theirs decided to 'create' both
'clean' and 'unclean' animals? Don't they see that this gives their God
the
pretext to 'punish' man even more. Have you no idea how hard it was to
avoid
'unclean' animals back then -- especially* when you were starving to death
due to a God-imposed famine?
Greywolf
Expecially poor Noah when god gave different specification for animals on
the ark based on clean and uncleand before he had actually explained to him
what the difference was.
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| User: "Wendelina" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
22 May 2006 09:45:50 AM |
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"Sam" <sam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:P9jcg.302$Sf2.211@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Expecially poor Noah when god gave different specification for animals on
the ark based on clean and uncleand before he had actually explained to
him
what the difference was.
The Ark story itself is so outrageous. As if a handful of people can travel
the earth capturing all the different animals, birds, amphibians, insects...
plus know each one's diet. They then must find enough food to feed each
one of a few million creatures for months. Where would they store it on the
Ark or keep what was perishable fresh? It's hard to phantom that any
rational person can believe this old myth. If they can, it convinces us
they can believe anything they're told.
--
WE.....
The Watchtower, January 15, 1983, p. 22
"Avoid Independent Thinking . How is such
independent thinking manifested? A common way
is by questioning the counsel that is provided by
God's visible organization."
The WTS/GB wants you to become a mindless automaton.
Do not question what they say.
Do not think about what they say, just accept it.
Do not read the bible on your own, always use their "Aids."
Accept that the Governing Body believes itself equal to God.
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| User: "Sam" |
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22 May 2006 10:29:56 AM |
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"Wendelina" <spamfree@spamfree.spamfree> wrote in message
news:4471d1d0$0$24992$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com...
"Sam" <sam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:P9jcg.302$Sf2.211@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Expecially poor Noah when god gave different specification for animals
on
the ark based on clean and uncleand before he had actually explained to
him
what the difference was.
The Ark story itself is so outrageous. As if a handful of people can
travel
the earth capturing all the different animals, birds, amphibians,
insects...
plus know each one's diet. They then must find enough food to feed each
one of a few million creatures for months. Where would they store it on
the
Ark or keep what was perishable fresh? It's hard to phantom that any
rational person can believe this old myth. If they can, it convinces us
they can believe anything they're told.
Right there with you.
I actually believe that at some point, probably post-exile when the bible
was complied, those doing so and the educated of the time were smart enough
to recognize it as mythology, but used it still as a metaphor for
rightgeousness and tied it into the geneology for consistancy in the overall
narrative. Especially when you consider how long flood myths from other
cultures survived and co-existed with the story of Noah, A.K.A. Utnapishtim.
The fact that people 2500 years later take it seriously would probably shock
them and the would scarf at the fact that they miss the point they were
trying to convey.
--
WE.....
The Watchtower, January 15, 1983, p. 22
"Avoid Independent Thinking . How is such
independent thinking manifested? A common way
is by questioning the counsel that is provided by
God's visible organization."
The WTS/GB wants you to become a mindless automaton.
Do not question what they say.
Do not think about what they say, just accept it.
Do not read the bible on your own, always use their "Aids."
Accept that the Governing Body believes itself equal to God.
~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*
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| User: "A. Paul Ing" |
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22 May 2006 10:20:22 AM |
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yea yea yea CArol your posts that yu make in the aquaria groups seem
to mimick Noahs adventures to a T.......So how come you can and claim
to do these ouotgrageous things yet Noah with the helf and guidance of
God can not........you looser!
On Mon, 22 May 2006 09:45:50 -0500, "Wendelina"
<spamfree@spamfree.spamfree> wrote:
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<>"Sam" <sam@nospam.com> wrote in message
<>news:P9jcg.302$Sf2.211@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
<>> Expecially poor Noah when god gave different specification for animals on
<>> the ark based on clean and uncleand before he had actually explained to
<>> him
<>> what the difference was.
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<>The Ark story itself is so outrageous. As if a handful of people can travel
<>the earth capturing all the different animals, birds, amphibians, insects...
<>plus know each one's diet. They then must find enough food to feed each
<>one of a few million creatures for months. Where would they store it on the
<>Ark or keep what was perishable fresh? It's hard to phantom that any
<>rational person can believe this old myth. If they can, it convinces us
<>they can believe anything they're told.
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| User: "Wendelina" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 06:54:33 PM |
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"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:127151bet9gqq65@corp.supernews.com...
And it makes one wonder why this 'God' of theirs decided to 'create' both
'clean' and 'unclean' animals? Don't they see that this gives their God
the pretext to 'punish' man even more. Have you no idea how hard it was to
avoid 'unclean' animals back then -- especially* when you were starving to
death due to a God-imposed famine?
And what could "unclean" mean where animals are concerned? The so called
unclean pig may give you trichinosis but the "clean" cow can kill you with
Mad-Cow disease. Clean chickens can kill you with Salmonella........ and
the beat goes on.........
--
WE......
The JWs showed their true colors
here by posting people's personal information in hopes someone sicker than
there are "takes care of the problem" and silences the person. There is no
other reason to post personal information on Usenet.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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22 May 2006 12:10:49 AM |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 18:54:33 -0500, "Wendelina"
<spamfree@spamfree.spamfree> wrote:
- Refer: <4470fee7$0$24993$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:127151bet9gqq65@corp.supernews.com...
And it makes one wonder why this 'God' of theirs decided to 'create' both
'clean' and 'unclean' animals? Don't they see that this gives their God
the pretext to 'punish' man even more. Have you no idea how hard it was to
avoid 'unclean' animals back then -- especially* when you were starving to
death due to a God-imposed famine?
And what could "unclean" mean where animals are concerned? The so called
unclean pig may give you trichinosis but the "clean" cow can kill you with
Mad-Cow disease. Clean chickens can kill you with Salmonella........ and
the beat goes on.........
Most thinking Jews freely admit that these rules are not rational.
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| User: "Emmanual Kann" |
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23 May 2006 08:58:36 PM |
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An Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:49 +0930, Michael Gray hat geschreibt:
On Sun, 21 May 2006 18:54:33 -0500, "Wendelina"
<spamfree@spamfree.spamfree> wrote:
- Refer: <4470fee7$0$24993$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:127151bet9gqq65@corp.supernews.com...
And it makes one wonder why this 'God' of theirs decided to 'create' both
'clean' and 'unclean' animals? Don't they see that this gives their God
the pretext to 'punish' man even more. Have you no idea how hard it was to
avoid 'unclean' animals back then -- especially* when you were starving to
death due to a God-imposed famine?
And what could "unclean" mean where animals are concerned? The so called
unclean pig may give you trichinosis but the "clean" cow can kill you with
Mad-Cow disease. Clean chickens can kill you with Salmonella........ and
the beat goes on.........
Most thinking Jews freely admit that these rules are not rational.
Every Jew I've asked told me the dietary laws are nothing more than a
test of faith. Muslims tell me the same thing.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
24 May 2006 02:49:59 AM |
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 01:58:36 GMT, Emmanual Kann <kann@keinspam.de>
wrote:
- Refer: <pan.2006.05.24.01.58.28.264389@keinspam.de>
An Mon, 22 May 2006 14:40:49 +0930, Michael Gray hat geschreibt:
On Sun, 21 May 2006 18:54:33 -0500, "Wendelina"
<spamfree@spamfree.spamfree> wrote:
- Refer: <4470fee7$0$24993$834e42db@reader.greatnowhere.com>
"Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote in message
news:127151bet9gqq65@corp.supernews.com...
And it makes one wonder why this 'God' of theirs decided to 'create' both
'clean' and 'unclean' animals? Don't they see that this gives their God
the pretext to 'punish' man even more. Have you no idea how hard it was to
avoid 'unclean' animals back then -- especially* when you were starving to
death due to a God-imposed famine?
And what could "unclean" mean where animals are concerned? The so called
unclean pig may give you trichinosis but the "clean" cow can kill you with
Mad-Cow disease. Clean chickens can kill you with Salmonella........ and
the beat goes on.........
Most thinking Jews freely admit that these rules are not rational.
Every Jew I've asked told me the dietary laws are nothing more than a
test of faith. Muslims tell me the same thing.
Exactly.
And some say to me that that is the very reason that the rules do not
make sense, for if they did make sense, they would hardly be a test of
faith.
The rules are proudly displayed as anti-rational for that very reason.
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| User: "Emmanual Kann" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
23 May 2006 08:53:43 PM |
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An Sun, 21 May 2006 11:24:05 -0500, Greywolf hat geschreibt:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
Budikka
And it makes one wonder why this 'God' of theirs decided to 'create' both
'clean' and 'unclean' animals? Don't they see that this gives their God the
pretext to 'punish' man even more. Have you no idea how hard it was to avoid
'unclean' animals back then -- especially* when you were starving to death
due to a God-imposed famine?
If your worldview says that god has to be punishing you for bad things to
happen, you need to have a whole lot of reasons for god to punish you.
Especially when you are starving to death due to a god imposed calamity.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
24 May 2006 02:51:25 AM |
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 01:53:43 GMT, Emmanual Kann <kann@keinspam.de>
wrote:
- Refer: <pan.2006.05.24.01.53.34.884428@keinspam.de>
An Sun, 21 May 2006 11:24:05 -0500, Greywolf hat geschreibt:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
Budikka
And it makes one wonder why this 'God' of theirs decided to 'create' both
'clean' and 'unclean' animals? Don't they see that this gives their God the
pretext to 'punish' man even more. Have you no idea how hard it was to avoid
'unclean' animals back then -- especially* when you were starving to death
due to a God-imposed famine?
If your worldview says that god has to be punishing you for bad things to
happen, you need to have a whole lot of reasons for god to punish you.
Especially when you are starving to death due to a god imposed calamity.
Either that, or ONE reason, and a whole lot of capricious gods!
(C.f.: the Romans)
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| User: "MDS" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 11:57:46 AM |
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Greywolf wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
Budikka
And it makes one wonder why this 'God' of theirs decided to 'create' both
'clean' and 'unclean' animals? Don't they see that this gives their God the
pretext to 'punish' man even more. Have you no idea how hard it was to avoid
'unclean' animals back then -- especially* when you were starving to death
due to a God-imposed famine?
Greywolf
Another closet believer, I see. Enjoy your stay in the closet.
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MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 03:22:16 PM |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 11:24:05 -0500, "Greywolf" <greywolf@cybrzn.com> wrote:
And it makes one wonder why this 'God' of theirs decided to 'create' both
'clean' and 'unclean' animals?
That's Hebrew manmade law only.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Precision" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 03:46:28 PM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
I won't hold poor reading comprehension against you. This is a tragic
example about how poor literacy leads people to draw wrong conclusions about
what they're trying to comprehend.
The "flesh" is referred to in these scriptures is not the same because it
doesn't have the same properties. For example, human flesh is not the same
as fish flesh or reptilian flesh, each endowed with different kinds of
scales. Flesh is never the same.
Let us reason together, Budikka666, as to why flesh cannot be the same.
Flesh is an adaptive and protective organ that covers a creature's
endoskeleton. In the case of many reptilian creatures the flesh is its
armor. Flesh must adapt to its unique environment. If fish flesh was the
same as human flesh, wouldn't holding a fish look and feel eerily like human
flesh with the characteristic smooth appearance and soft, silky feel to it?
Wouldn't fish flesh dry out in salt water if it was the same as human flesh?
If all flesh was the same, animals could not adapt to their living
conditions. Reptiles would quickly become infected with bacteria if covered
with human-like flesh. Animals in harsh environments like Africa with unique
properties that allow them to fight others of their species for dominance or
defend their turf from predators would tear each other to shreds.
Thankfully, in God's wisdom, not all flesh is the same.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 03:51:45 PM |
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On Sun, 21 May 2006 13:46:28 -0700, "Precision" <precision@usenet.com>
wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
I won't hold poor reading comprehension against you. This is a tragic
example about how poor literacy leads people to draw wrong conclusions about
what they're trying to comprehend.
The "flesh" is referred to in these scriptures is not the same because it
doesn't have the same properties. For example, human flesh is not the same
as fish flesh or reptilian flesh, each endowed with different kinds of
scales. Flesh is never the same.
Another word dishonestly redefined by the religion that only the
brainwashed fall for.
Let us reason together, Budikka666, as to why flesh cannot be the same.
Bwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha....
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| User: "MDS" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 04:45:04 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
On Sun, 21 May 2006 13:46:28 -0700, "Precision" <precision@usenet.com>
wrote:
"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148219012.136273.121320@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of
men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."
- 1Co 15:39
This is of course a lie. All "flesh" is the same! We're all built
largely from the same six basic chemicals. We more or less have the
same genes (particularly among vertebrates, which is what Corinthians
addresses above) made from the same component codons. The genes
specify the same 20 amino acids. We all have similarly constructed
mucles made in the same kind of way, similar cells, similar nervous
systems, similar blood systems.
And if the Bible lies about this, there's no reason at all to trust it
when it claims there's a god.
I won't hold poor reading comprehension against you. This is a tragic
example about how poor literacy leads people to draw wrong conclusions about
what they're trying to comprehend.
The "flesh" is referred to in these scriptures is not the same because it
doesn't have the same properties. For example, human flesh is not the same
as fish flesh or reptilian flesh, each endowed with different kinds of
scales. Flesh is never the same.
Another word dishonestly redefined by the religion that only the
brainwashed fall for.
Let us reason together, Budikka666, as to why flesh cannot be the same.
Bwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha....
Wasn't your daddy a vampire or something? Or did he just play one on
tv?
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MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
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| User: "Budikka666" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 04:55:52 PM |
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MDS wrote:
Wasn't your daddy a vampire or something? Or did he just play one on
tv?
So no theist ever ate a wafer under the absolute conviction that it was
actually Christ's body? Hmmm.... Thanks for the ammo.
Budikka
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| User: "Wendelina" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 07:01:19 PM |
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"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1148248552.861171.206880@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
MDS wrote:
Wasn't your daddy a vampire or something? Or did he just play one on
tv?
So no theist ever ate a wafer under the absolute conviction that it was
actually Christ's body? Hmmm.... Thanks for the ammo.
Budikka
Cannibalism by Proxy anyone?
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WE...........
"Thou seest the mote in thy non-JW brother's eye, but thou seest not the
beam
in thine own JW eye. When thou castest the beam out of thine own JW eye,
then wilt thou see clearly to cast the mote from thy non-JW brother's eye."
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| User: "MDS" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 05:02:28 PM |
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Budikka666 wrote:
MDS wrote:
Wasn't your daddy a vampire or something? Or did he just play one on
tv?
So no theist ever ate a wafer under the absolute conviction that it was
actually Christ's body? Hmmm.... Thanks for the ammo.
Budikka
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! I see you took my advice and smoked more of
that crack!
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MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 05:33:35 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet MDS
(mrdrsir@atlanticbb.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Budikka666 wrote:
MDS wrote:
Wasn't your daddy a vampire or something? Or did he just play one
on tv?
So no theist ever ate a wafer under the absolute conviction that it
was actually Christ's body? Hmmm.... Thanks for the ammo.
Budikka
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! I see you took my advice and smoked more
of that crack!
Looney tunes!
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
The laws that require me to NOT kill people I don't like REALLY bug
me, or there would be many less of YOUR kind.
-John Weatherly
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| User: "Wendelina" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 07:03:45 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97CA9E4891CEvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet MDS
(mrdrsir@atlanticbb.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! I see you took my advice and smoked more
of that crack!
Looney tunes!
MDS can't and wont discuss religion. He's just a troll heckling all the
non-believers. You can be sure he/she never even read the babble,...er,...
bible.
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WE........
Free WTS literature? Here is how it works Boydette.
They pay for the literature they take to go door to door with. At the
door they ask for a donation for what they leave with their "pigeon".
Upon returning to the KH they forfeit all donations that have been
collected. Actually, in the Eighties they conceived of a dishonest way to
cheat
the government of taxes while they effectively doubled their income.
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| User: "MDS" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 07:06:36 PM |
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Wendelina wrote:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97CA9E4891CEvicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet MDS
(mrdrsir@atlanticbb.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! I see you took my advice and smoked more
of that crack!
Looney tunes!
MDS can't and wont discuss religion. He's just a troll heckling all the
non-believers. You can be sure he/she never even read the babble,...er,...
bible.
Hahahahahahaha! Welcome to the Laugh Shack!
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MDS (Mister Doctor Sir)
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Another Lie in the Bible |
21 May 2006 06:30:03 PM |
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On 21 May 2006 14:55:52 -0700, "Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote:
MDS wrote:
Wasn't your daddy a vampire or something? Or did he just play one on
tv?
So no theist ever ate a wafer under the absolute conviction that it was
actually Christ's body? Hmmm.... Thanks for the ammo.
You getting in waaayyyyyyyy over your head on this one, bud the dud.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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