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User:	"Budikka666"
Date:	15 Apr 2006 08:01:26 PM
Object:	Another "Missing Link" Hominid Found

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v440/n7086/abs/nature04629.html
and
tinyurl.com/z7uu7
The creationists are being pushed further and further into the darkest
corners with their god of the gaps "argument". One wonders if
eventually they'll go >*poof*< and simply disappear. Hope springs
eternal.
Budikka
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	21 Apr 2006 12:01:58 AM

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 20:52:28 -0700, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com>
wrote:
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Michael Gray wrote:

Ben Goren wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

John Baker wrote:

� Saba Gracile� wrote:

uh, an oh, yeah! evolution appears evoluted, because it *IS*
evoluted.

And you appear to be a total fucking moron because....

Because it *IS* a total fucking moron. As it has demonstrated
ad infinitum.

But wouldn't that require either an infinite amount of
demonstration or an infinite amount of mornitudity? Oh...good
point....

It must be something in the water.

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, I hope not. If just drinking water
is enough to turn one into a Christer, then we're all fucked,
man. We're /all/ fucked.

Skepticism is an antidote.

Only some of us are doomed. *DOOMED* I tell thee!!

Uh...``doOmed''? Uh-oh. I thought it was, ``domed.''

/Now/ what the ***** am I supposed to do with this lunar colony?

I'm sure you can find plenty of lunartics to buy in.
Try the local JW hall.
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
.

User: "Ben Goren"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence forID?	21 Apr 2006 10:05:22 AM

Michael Gray wrote:

Ben Goren wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

Ben Goren wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

John Baker wrote:

� Saba Gracile� wrote:

uh, an oh, yeah! evolution appears evoluted, because it
*IS* evoluted.

And you appear to be a total fucking moron because....

Because it *IS* a total fucking moron. As it has
demonstrated ad infinitum.

But wouldn't that require either an infinite amount
of demonstration or an infinite amount of mornitudity?
Oh...good point....

It must be something in the water.

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, I hope not. If just drinking water
is enough to turn one into a Christer, then we're all fucked,
man. We're /all/ fucked.

Skepticism is an antidote.

Only some of us are doomed. *DOOMED* I tell thee!!

Uh...``doOmed''? Uh-oh. I thought it was, ``domed.''

/Now/ what the ***** am I supposed to do with this lunar colony?

I'm sure you can find plenty of lunartics to buy in.

Would a lunartic be the side show in a flea circus on the moon?

Try the local JW hall.

Dude! Don't you /ever/ scare me like that! And what the ***** did
/I/ ever do to /you/ to deserve such treatment?
Cheers,
b&
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User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	21 Apr 2006 10:08:40 PM

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:05:22 -0700, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com>
wrote:
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Michael Gray wrote:

Ben Goren wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

Ben Goren wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

John Baker wrote:

� Saba Gracile� wrote:

uh, an oh, yeah! evolution appears evoluted, because it
*IS* evoluted.

And you appear to be a total fucking moron because....

Because it *IS* a total fucking moron. As it has
demonstrated ad infinitum.

But wouldn't that require either an infinite amount
of demonstration or an infinite amount of mornitudity?
Oh...good point....

It must be something in the water.

Jesus tittyfucking Christ, I hope not. If just drinking water
is enough to turn one into a Christer, then we're all fucked,
man. We're /all/ fucked.

Skepticism is an antidote.

Only some of us are doomed. *DOOMED* I tell thee!!

Uh...``doOmed''? Uh-oh. I thought it was, ``domed.''

/Now/ what the ***** am I supposed to do with this lunar colony?

I'm sure you can find plenty of lunartics to buy in.

Would a lunartic be the side show in a flea circus on the moon?

Neil Armstrong's facial spasms.

Try the local JW hall.

Dude! Don't you /ever/ scare me like that! And what the ***** did
/I/ ever do to /you/ to deserve such treatment?

Sorry!
I don't know what came over me.
That will never happen again, Chief!
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor.
.

User: "Ben Goren"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence forID?	22 Apr 2006 01:02:39 PM

Michael Gray wrote:

Try the local JW hall.

Dude! Don't you /ever/ scare me like that! And what the *****
did /I/ ever do to /you/ to deserve such treatment?

Sorry!

I don't know what came over me.

That will never happen again, Chief!

Funny timing, here. Just before I was about to hit ``send'' on
that last post and reply to this one, the doorbell rang.
Yup, it was the Jehoovers.
Very quickly on--under a minute, I think--the nice lady mentioned
the Bile. But, when I asked, she didn't know who wrote it or when;
so I started to educate her on that. Then she started in on the
standard ``over forty authors writing the exact same story line,''
so I asked her to pull out her copy and pull up the two
genealogies; I pointed to the very clear black-and-white letters
that show, quite clearly, that Joseph had two daddies. Then it was
on to where Jesus spent his childhood and where and when the
Ascension happened--and that, though Acts says it happened from
Mt. Olivet, nobody wrote anything about it for a century or more.
And from there, it was on to how Paul--though he was in Jerusalem
with the major players shortly afterwards--didn't know anything at
all about Jesus except for the fact that he was crucified (but not
who did it to him) and resurrected. Oh--and there's the last
supper, too...but that gave the perfect opening to point out that
it was a pretty common Pagan ritual, which segued into all the
Pagan gods who did the same things Jesus did. She smiled and
agreed that the Odyssey doesn't ``prove'' that men turned into
pigs on Circe's island...but was a bit uncomfortable to admit that
Jesus walking on water and the like was no different.
It ended with me pointing out that the gumballs are perfectly
capable of stacking themselves in the gumball machine, at which
point it was time for her to catch up with the rest of the
swarm--but not before I pointed out that the people who wrote the
Bible knew these Pagan myths, knew they weren't real, knew the
Bible was the same, and that Rabbis do the same thing with midrash
(and gave examples of several Bible stories as midrash).
Ten, maybe fifteen minutes at most...and I think I actually may
have, as she said as she left, given her a lot of things to think
about!
Cheers,
b&
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User: "Mindfucked"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	22 Apr 2006 03:13:38 PM

"Ben Goren" <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote in message
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Funny timing, here. Just before I was about to hit ``send'' on
that last post and reply to this one, the doorbell rang.

A little too 'funny'?

Yup, it was the Jehoovers.

Are you sure?

--didn't know anything at
all about Jesus except for the fact that he was crucified

One of Jehovah's Witness would NOT accept that he was 'crucified' - They use
the interpretation of 'stauros' to be an upright stake or pole - they
consider 'the cross' symbology as indicative of 'idolatrous' christianity -
I don't know who was at your door, but it wasn't any 'Jehoover'?
.

User: "Ben Goren"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence forID?	22 Apr 2006 03:36:33 PM

Mindfucked wrote:

Ben Goren wrote:

Funny timing, here. Just before I was about to hit ``send'' on
that last post and reply to this one, the doorbell rang.

A little too 'funny'?

Yup, it was the Jehoovers.

Are you sure?

That depends. Have you ever heard of another variety of
door-to-door Jesus salescritters that carry thin low-quality
four-color letter-sized bound pamphlets that say ``WATCHTOWER'' in
big letters on the top?
Besides, she and her family were black. Christers tend to be
extremely segregated in this part of the country. I can't remember
ever getting any Jehoovers that were anything other than black or
Morons who were anything other than white. Those're the only two
with any kind of presence here that do the door-to-door thing.

--didn't know anything at all about Jesus except for the fact
that he was crucified

One of Jehovah's Witness would NOT accept that he was
'crucified' - They use the interpretation of 'stauros' to be an
upright stake or pole - they consider 'the cross' symbology as
indicative of 'idolatrous' christianity - I don't know who was
at your door, but it wasn't any 'Jehoover'?

Dude, step /away/ from the crack pipe.
/I/ was the one who said that, and what /I/ said--clearly
explained in the part you snipped--was that /Paul/ didn't know
anything about Jesus except for the end of his life, including the
crucifixion and resurrection.
The word, ``crucifixion,'' was a gloss on my part to begin with,
and the woman was more interested in excusing Paul for his
complete lack of knowledge about Jesus than in trying to correctly
identify the Roman torture devices used to execute a mythical man.
I don't know what your problem is, but I sure can see why Budikka
plonked you. You would seem to be as obnoxious, un-informed,
un-intelligent, and illogical as any Christer you'll find these
here parts.
Cheers,
b&
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User: "Mindfucked"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	22 Apr 2006 04:47:26 PM

"Ben Goren" <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote in message
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Mindfucked wrote:

Ben Goren wrote:

Funny timing, here. Just before I was about to hit ``send'' on
that last post and reply to this one, the doorbell rang.

A little too 'funny'?

Yup, it was the Jehoovers.

Are you sure?

That depends. Have you ever heard of another variety of
door-to-door Jesus salescritters that carry thin low-quality
four-color letter-sized bound pamphlets that say ``WATCHTOWER'' in
big letters on the top?

Besides, she and her family were black. Christers tend to be
extremely segregated in this part of the country. I can't remember
ever getting any Jehoovers that were anything other than black or
Morons who were anything other than white. Those're the only two
with any kind of presence here that do the door-to-door thing.

--didn't know anything at all about Jesus except for the fact
that he was crucified

One of Jehovah's Witness would NOT accept that he was
'crucified' - They use the interpretation of 'stauros' to be an
upright stake or pole - they consider 'the cross' symbology as
indicative of 'idolatrous' christianity - I don't know who was
at your door, but it wasn't any 'Jehoover'?

Thanks for clarification.

I don't know what your problem is, but I sure can see why Budikka
plonked you.

Pointing out an apparent inconsistency is no indication of any 'problem'

You would seem to be as obnoxious, un-informed,
un-intelligent, and illogical as any Christer you'll find these
here parts.

Thank you for your valued insights into my intellect and personality.
Much appreciated!
.

User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?0C7ULkM=?="
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	22 Apr 2006 10:27:10 PM

"Ben Goren" <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote in message
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I don't know what your problem is, but I sure can see why Budikka
plonked you. You would seem to be as obnoxious, un-informed,
un-intelligent, and illogical as any Christer you'll find these
here parts.

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT and that's why I *PLONKED* him as well. He'll just waste
your time going in circles, playing word games, nit-picking everything to
death etc... and in the end resort to calling you some stupid name or a
liar.... he's not worth even reading no less replying to.
DD.......
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From: <Xabriol@gmail.com> Antonio L. Santana/Camden Cong. of
*Jehovah's Witnesses regarding the premeditated murder of Carol Gulley.*

You are doomed Carol. And they will just pick up the pieces. did you
write your will and testement yet?

Mr. Antonio L Santana then suggests someone break in her home in the middle
of the night and slit her throat or kill her by suffocation.
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User: "Mindfucked"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	23 Apr 2006 07:37:22 PM

"�.�.C" <Watch@Witchtower.com> wrote in message
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"Ben Goren" <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote in message
news:gngqh3-o54.ln1@reiche.trumpetpower.com...

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT and that's why I *PLONKED* him as well. He'll just

waste

your time going in circles, playing word games, nit-picking everything to
death etc... and in the end resort to calling you some stupid name or a
liar.... he's not worth even reading no less replying to.

You plonked because you don't like attention drawn to your lies. Lies like
these:
http://tinyurl.com/lqp3n
.

User: "Michael Gray"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	22 Apr 2006 08:50:36 PM

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:02:39 -0700, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com>
wrote:
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Michael Gray wrote:

Try the local JW hall.

Dude! Don't you /ever/ scare me like that! And what the *****
did /I/ ever do to /you/ to deserve such treatment?

Sorry!

I don't know what came over me.

That will never happen again, Chief!

Funny timing, here. Just before I was about to hit ``send'' on
that last post and reply to this one, the doorbell rang.

Yup, it was the Jehoovers.

Oh dear, I put a hex on your house?

Very quickly on--under a minute, I think--the nice lady mentioned
the Bile. But, when I asked, she didn't know who wrote it or when;
so I started to educate her on that. Then she started in on the
standard ``over forty authors writing the exact same story line,''
so I asked her to pull out her copy and pull up the two
genealogies; I pointed to the very clear black-and-white letters
that show, quite clearly, that Joseph had two daddies. Then it was
on to where Jesus spent his childhood and where and when the
Ascension happened--and that, though Acts says it happened from
Mt. Olivet, nobody wrote anything about it for a century or more.

And from there, it was on to how Paul--though he was in Jerusalem
with the major players shortly afterwards--didn't know anything at
all about Jesus except for the fact that he was crucified (but not
who did it to him) and resurrected. Oh--and there's the last
supper, too...but that gave the perfect opening to point out that
it was a pretty common Pagan ritual, which segued into all the
Pagan gods who did the same things Jesus did. She smiled and
agreed that the Odyssey doesn't ``prove'' that men turned into
pigs on Circe's island...but was a bit uncomfortable to admit that
Jesus walking on water and the like was no different.

It ended with me pointing out that the gumballs are perfectly
capable of stacking themselves in the gumball machine, at which
point it was time for her to catch up with the rest of the
swarm--but not before I pointed out that the people who wrote the
Bible knew these Pagan myths, knew they weren't real, knew the
Bible was the same, and that Rabbis do the same thing with midrash
(and gave examples of several Bible stories as midrash).

Ten, maybe fifteen minutes at most...and I think I actually may
have, as she said as she left, given her a lot of things to think
about!

Oh YES!
Don't you just love it when this happens?
When I was living on my farm, being "off the beaten track", I just
didn't get enough of them around to satisfy my lust for sport.
(They sent the cute girl, probably with the expectation that I would
be less likely to go on the attack. It actually worked for a while...
Hint to JWs who can read**: send cute young girls and you'll get a
better reception!)
I had to ask the next one who trekked to my doorstep to send more
fresh meat for me to metaphorically hack to pieces, in terms of
bible-study, you understand.
From that day on: nothing.
Not a one.
And when I spotted the cute teen JW in the the village market, she and
her mother moved quickly away.
The power of the babble!
..............
** Not many of them can read, judging by the plain demonstrated fact
that they have plainly not ever read the one book that they carry
around with them.
Comic and rags don't, such as "Watchtower", the Readers' Digest for
the Cretin Crowd.)
(Acutally, the WT makes quite good toilet paper to hang on the nail in
the outside toilet.)
--
Michael Gray.
Founding Member and Doorman,
Earthquack's 666 Club.
EAC Trainee Inquisitor.
.

User: "-�Saba Gracile-�"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	23 Apr 2006 02:00:34 PM

"Michael Gray" <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> skrev i melding
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:02:39 -0700, Ben Goren <ben@trumpetpower.com>
wrote:
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Michael Gray wrote:

Try the local JW hall.

Dude! Don't you /ever/ scare me like that! And what the *****
did /I/ ever do to /you/ to deserve such treatment?

Sorry!

I don't know what came over me.

That will never happen again, Chief!

Funny timing, here. Just before I was about to hit ``send'' on
that last post and reply to this one, the doorbell rang.

Yup, it was the Jehoovers.

Oh dear, I put a hex on your house?

no, I sendt them there, to get him b-washed since it's so easy to do that to you guys.

S
.

User: "Budikka666"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	23 Apr 2006 07:47:19 PM

**DO YOU HAVE ANY POSITIVE SCIENTIFICALLY VALID EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATING
CREATION**?
I thought not. QED
Budikka
.

User: "Ben Goren"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence forID?	23 Apr 2006 05:38:54 PM

Michael Gray wrote:

Ben Goren wrote:

Try the local JW hall.

Dude! Don't you /ever/ scare me like that! And what the *****
did /I/ ever do to /you/ to deserve such treatment?

Sorry!

I don't know what came over me.

That will never happen again, Chief!

Funny timing, here. Just before I was about to hit ``send'' on
that last post and reply to this one, the doorbell rang.

Yup, it was the Jehoovers.

Oh dear, I put a hex on your house?

No worries. It wasn't too wrenching.

Very quickly on--under a minute, I think--the nice lady
mentioned the Bile. But, when I asked, she didn't know who
wrote it or when; so I started to educate her on that. Then she
started in on the standard ``over forty authors writing the
exact same story line,'' so I asked her to pull out her copy
and pull up the two genealogies; I pointed to the very clear
black-and-white letters that show, quite clearly, that Joseph
had two daddies. Then it was on to where Jesus spent his
childhood and where and when the Ascension happened--and that,
though Acts says it happened from Mt. Olivet, nobody wrote
anything about it for a century or more.

And from there, it was on to how Paul--though he was in
Jerusalem with the major players shortly afterwards--didn't
know anything at all about Jesus except for the fact
that he was crucified (but not who did it to him) and
resurrected. Oh--and there's the last supper, too...but that
gave the perfect opening to point out that it was a pretty
common Pagan ritual, which segued into all the Pagan gods who
did the same things Jesus did. She smiled and agreed that the
Odyssey doesn't ``prove'' that men turned into pigs on Circe's
island...but was a bit uncomfortable to admit that Jesus
walking on water and the like was no different.

It ended with me pointing out that the gumballs are perfectly
capable of stacking themselves in the gumball machine, at which
point it was time for her to catch up with the rest of the
swarm--but not before I pointed out that the people who wrote
the Bible knew these Pagan myths, knew they weren't real, knew
the Bible was the same, and that Rabbis do the same thing
with midrash (and gave examples of several Bible stories as
midrash).

Ten, maybe fifteen minutes at most...and I think I actually may
have, as she said as she left, given her a lot of things to
think about!

Oh YES! Don't you just love it when this happens?

Well, it depends on whether or not I've got anything better to
do. If not, of course, it's just delightful.
You know, there's a reason why the Flat Earth Society doesn't do
door-to-door recruiting. I'm just waiting for the day when the
same can be said of the Jesus salescritters.

When I was living on my farm, being "off the beaten track", I
just didn't get enough of them around to satisfy my lust for
sport. (They sent the cute girl, probably with the expectation
that I would be less likely to go on the attack. It actually
worked for a while... Hint to JWs who can read**: send cute
young girls and you'll get a better reception!)

The last time they sent 'round cute young girls, I had just
stepped out of the shower when the doorbell rang. So, there I am,
dripping wet in a towel. The poor thing in the lead stammered as
she started to launch into her spiel, quickly tailed off. Her
wing-girl--clearly the experienced guide shepherding the fresh
meat--smoothly stepped in and suggested that there might be a
better time for them to come back?
If it weren't for the fact that you have to register as a sex
offender for indecent exposure just for being visibly naked in
your own home, I'd have left the towel in the bathroom....

I had to ask the next one who trekked to my doorstep to send
more fresh meat for me to metaphorically hack to pieces, in
terms of bible-study, you understand.

From that day on: nothing. Not a one. And when I spotted the
cute teen JW in the the village market, she and her mother moved
quickly away.

Indeed, my own dynamic duo didn't come back ever again. Ah, well.

The power of the babble!

Oh, it's a /very/ powerful book. It's just the nature of that
power that's never understood....

.............
** Not many of them can read, judging by the plain demonstrated
fact that they have plainly not ever read the one book that they
carry around with them.

Indeed, I'm quite confident that my latest victim had never
actually read the two genealogies before--and certainly had never
compared them. She thought it had to do with different cousins,
or lineage before David, or something like that. I had to actually
point to the words ``father'' and ``son'' and the /very/ different
names before she started to ``get'' it. I even gently suggested
that whoever had told her otherwise had lied to her--she's looking
at the very words of the Bible itself, after all.

Comic and rags don't, such as "Watchtower", the Readers' Digest
for the Cretin Crowd.)

(Acutally, the WT makes quite good toilet paper to hang on the
nail in the outside toilet.)

Thankfully, we have indoor plumbing 'round these here parts. Of
course, we've also got the noise, the ugly cityscape, the
pollution, the traffic, the urban blight, the Jehoovers....
Cheers,
b&
--
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User: "Ben Goren"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence forID?	19 Apr 2006 10:39:28 AM

� Saba Gracile� wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

� Saba Gracile� wrote:

If one takes a computer and looks inside it how neatly it is
designed and also comes with software and all the programs
necessary for it's particular function fully functioning in
all its glory, would you ask where the human who made it can
be found? You wouldn't even assume that it wasn't a designer
of it somewhere.

Do you think that computers resemble biological organisms? If
so, how? And do you know of anything in the world that, in
your view, does not look designed?

As the Atheist Michael Shermer has pointed out, a biological
organism appears designed because it *IS* designed.

uh, an oh, yeah! evolution appears evoluted, because it *IS*
evoluted.

No, life on Earth /is/ designed. There just wasn't any mind
designing it, and there certainly wasn't any ``purpose'' guiding
it.
When you understand ``who'' arranged the gumballs in the gumball
machine, you'll be on the right path.
Life is nothing more and nothing less than the inevitable result
of some very simple laws of nature. The exact shape of life isn't
inevitable; far from it. But, given initial conditions similar to
those on the Earth a few billion years ago, life of similar
complexity and diversity would simply be guaranteed.
Ever make rock candy? You can't know what shape the candy will
wind up as, but you can know for certain that, if you don't *****
up the recipe too badly, you'll wind up with the familiar treat.
Cheers,
b&
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User: "�Saba Gracile�"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	19 Apr 2006 12:21:39 PM

"Ben Goren" <ben@trumpetpower.com> skrev i melding news:i62ih3-ee6.ln1@reiche.trumpetpower.com...

� Saba Gracile� wrote:

Michael Gray wrote:

Matt Silberstein wrote:

� Saba Gracile� wrote:

Do you think that computers resemble biological organisms? If
so, how? And do you know of anything in the world that, in
your view, does not look designed?

As the Atheist Michael Shermer has pointed out, a biological
organism appears designed because it *IS* designed.

uh, an oh, yeah! evolution appears evoluted, because it *IS*
evoluted.

No matter how pretty the words are coming from you ev's, there's just no
evidence, just a handful of weird creatures that hardly can suffice as evidence if
your life depended on it. The evidence is out, there's no transitions, evolution
never happened how about that?!
Saba

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User: "Ben Goren"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence forID?	18 Apr 2006 09:41:16 AM

� Saba Gracile� wrote:

If one takes a computer and looks inside it how neatly it is
designed and also comes with software and all the programs
necessary for it's particular function fully functioning in all
its glory, would you ask where the human who made it can be
found? You wouldn't even assume that it wasn't a designer of it
somewhere.

So who designed your god?
Cheers,
b&
P.S. Ever see a glass gumball machine, notice how all the gumballs
are all nice and neatly stacked into perfect rows? I sure bet it
took somebody a /looooong/ time to set them all up like that. b&
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User: "� Saba Gracile�"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	18 Apr 2006 12:47:05 PM

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� Saba Gracile� wrote:

If one takes a computer and looks inside it how neatly it is
designed and also comes with software and all the programs
necessary for it's particular function fully functioning in all
its glory, would you ask where the human who made it can be
found? You wouldn't even assume that it wasn't a designer of it
somewhere.

So who designed your god?

Cheers,

b&

haha I knew this would be the first question. Who created eternity (it doesn't end
anywhere)?? always something behind it? but.. oink oink! that's impossible. SAme
with God, and our little understanding of impossibilities-we don't know it, maybe
one day we will?
sAba
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User: "Budikka666"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	18 Apr 2006 07:39:57 PM

=AC Saba Gracile=AC wrote:

"Ben Goren" <ben@trumpetpower.com> skrev i melding news:cdafh3-rv7.ln1@re=

iche.trumpetpower.com...

=AC Saba Gracile=AC wrote:

If one takes a computer and looks inside it how neatly it is
designed and also comes with software and all the programs
necessary for it's particular function fully functioning in all
its glory, would you ask where the human who made it can be
found? You wouldn't even assume that it wasn't a designer of it
somewhere.

So who designed your god?

Cheers,

b&

haha I knew this would be the first question. Who created eternity (it do=

esn't end

anywhere)?? always something behind it? but.. oink oink! that's impossibl=

e=2E SAme

with God, and our little understanding of impossibilities-we don't know i=

t, maybe

one day we will?

You really are the dumbest cluck I've met in a long time, and that's
saying something given the "quality" of clientele we get visiting a.a.
You are claiming on the one hand that the universe could not have
started itself, and therefore some god had to do it, but that this god
is eternal. Well, that's where your "logic" fails you yet again. If a
god can be eternal, so can this unvierse in some form or another. If
the universe required a starter, then so too must your god. You cannot
have it both ways. It, like you, really is that simple.
Budikka
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User: "� Saba Gracile�"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	19 Apr 2006 04:24:05 AM

"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> skrev i melding
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� Saba Gracile� wrote:

"Ben Goren" <ben@trumpetpower.com> skrev i melding news:cdafh3-rv7.ln1@reiche.trumpetpower.com...

� Saba Gracile� wrote:

If one takes a computer and looks inside it how neatly it is
designed and also comes with software and all the programs
necessary for it's particular function fully functioning in all
its glory, would you ask where the human who made it can be
found? You wouldn't even assume that it wasn't a designer of it
somewhere.

So who designed your god?

Cheers,

b&

You really are the dumbest cluck I've met in a long time, and that's
saying something given the "quality" of clientele we get visiting a.a.
--->sorry, but calling someone dumb doesn't make you smart, but a three year old butthead.
You are claiming on the one hand that the universe could not have
started itself, and therefore some god had to do it, but that this god
is eternal. Well, that's where your "logic" fails you yet again. If a
god can be eternal, so can this unvierse in some form or another. If
the universe required a starter, then so too must your god. You cannot
have it both ways. It, like you, really is that simple.
--->I just said the univers is eternal, but that we deny it with our minds. We are used
to things having a beginning and an end, but if you wrap your mind around eternity,
you will have a problem on your hand. We are not equipped to deal with endlessness
or divine nature. The universe requiring a starter, yes, in it's present form. What was
there before that (big bang?). Heard any scientist grapple into that one? They don't
have a clue, so why should we be so cocky about it?
Budikka
Saba
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User: "Neil Kelsey"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	19 Apr 2006 12:32:14 PM

* snip *

We are not equipped to deal with endlessness
or divine nature.

You guys are hilarious. I keep hearing theists claim there is no way to
know the divine nature of god, and then you go ahead and provide
intimate details about this god of yours anyway. I know...you're one of
the "special" ones who gets to know the divine nature of god. You and
Eric Brze should have a contest to see who can contradict themselves
the most.

The universe requiring a starter, yes, in it's present form. What was
there before that (big bang?). Heard any scientist grapple into that one? They don't
have a clue, so why should we be so cocky about it?

They do have a clue, there are several plausible theories that don't
defy the Laws of Physics, unlike your "god" theory, which defies all
laws and logic.
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User: "�Saba Gracile�"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	19 Apr 2006 12:45:28 PM

"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
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* snip *

We are not equipped to deal with endlessness
or divine nature.

I have no such ability, but ask matematicians how they can use math of 4 dimensions
every day and it not even exist? there's more, there just has to be more out there
because it can be measured with numbers. And if you take relativity theory into
practice, then all the known laws of the universe /(who has a lawmaker btw) goes
into a crazy spin. Figure that..

They do have a clue, there are several plausible theories that don't
defy the Laws of Physics, unlike your "god" theory, which defies all
laws and logic.

Plausible theories, bla bla bla, they are nothing but that - theories. Like humans
stemming from apes and stuff, very imaginative!
Saba

User: "Neil Kelsey"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	19 Apr 2006 02:00:04 PM

=ACSaba Gracile=AC wrote:

"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
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* snip *

We are not equipped to deal with endlessness
or divine nature.

I have no such ability

In that case, you cannot say anything whatsoever about "god," and yet
you do. You're contradicting yourself. How do you even know we are not
equipped to deal with divine nature if you're not equipped to deal with
divine nature?
I think I'll ignore your following subject change until you answer
these questions.

but ask matematicians how they can use math of 4 dimensions
every day and it not even exist? there's more, there just has to be more =

out there

because it can be measured with numbers. And if you take relativity theor=

y into

practice, then all the known laws of the universe /(who has a lawmaker bt=

w) goes

into a crazy spin. Figure that..

The universe requiring a starter, yes, in it's present form. What was
there before that (big bang?). Heard any scientist grapple into that o=

ne? They don't

have a clue, so why should we be so cocky about it?

They do have a clue, there are several plausible theories that don't
defy the Laws of Physics, unlike your "god" theory, which defies all
laws and logic.

Plausible theories, bla bla bla, they are nothing but that - theories. Li=

ke humans

stemming from apes and stuff, very imaginative!

God is just another theory, one that defies all laws of physics and all
logic, and for which there is no evidence (as opposed to the theories I
am talking about, for which there is mountains of evidence). You'd have
to be delusional or uneducated (or both) to choose a theory like yours.
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User: "�Saba Gracile�"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	20 Apr 2006 05:28:39 AM

"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
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�Saba Gracile� wrote:

"Neil Kelsey" <neil_kelsey@hotmail.com> skrev i melding
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* snip *

We are not equipped to deal with endlessness
or divine nature.

I have no such ability

but ask matematicians how they can use math of 4 dimensions
every day and it not even exist? there's more, there just has to be more out there
because it can be measured with numbers. And if you take relativity theory into
practice, then all the known laws of the universe /(who has a lawmaker btw) goes
into a crazy spin. Figure that..

They do have a clue, there are several plausible theories that don't
defy the Laws of Physics, unlike your "god" theory, which defies all
laws and logic.

Plausible theories, bla bla bla, they are nothing but that - theories. Like humans
stemming from apes and stuff, very imaginative!

User: "Ben Goren"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence forID?	19 Apr 2006 03:04:37 PM

�Saba Gracile� wrote:

Neil Kelsey wrote:

We are not equipped to deal with endlessness or divine nature.

You guys are hilarious. I keep hearing theists claim there is
no way to know the divine nature of god, and then you go ahead
and provide intimate details about this god of yours anyway. I
know...you're one of the "special" ones who gets to know the
divine nature of god. You and Eric Brze should have a contest
to see who can contradict themselves the most.

I have no such ability, but ask matematicians how they can use
math of 4 dimensions every day and it not even exist? there's
more, there just has to be more out there because it can be
measured with numbers. And if you take relativity theory into
practice, then all the known laws of the universe /(who has a
lawmaker btw) goes into a crazy spin. Figure that..

The universe requiring a starter, yes, in it's present
form. What was there before that (big bang?). Heard any
scientist grapple into that one? They don't have a clue, so
why should we be so cocky about it?

They do have a clue, there are several plausible theories that
don't defy the Laws of Physics, unlike your "god" theory, which
defies all laws and logic.

Plausible theories, bla bla bla, they are nothing but that
- theories. Like humans stemming from apes and stuff, very
imaginative!

Your arguments can trivially be summed as follows:
1) Saba too dumb to understand. Saba brain hurt!
2) Therefore, God exists.
If I'm not mistraken, you've yet to offer anything but rather
inelegant restatements of proofs 15, 20, 22, 26, 32, 38, 48, 53,
55, 76, 92, 97, 98, 110, 117, 140, 173, 209, 214, 215, 252, 288,
335, 339, 352, 354, and / or 666.
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
Cheers,
b&
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User: "Budikka666"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	20 Apr 2006 07:41:53 PM

=AC Saba Gracile=AC wrote:

"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> skrev i melding
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=AC Saba Gracile=AC wrote:

"Ben Goren" <ben@trumpetpower.com> skrev i melding news:cdafh3-rv7.ln1@=

reiche.trumpetpower.com...

=AC Saba Gracile=AC wrote:

If one takes a computer and looks inside it how neatly it is
designed and also comes with software and all the programs
necessary for it's particular function fully functioning in all
its glory, would you ask where the human who made it can be
found? You wouldn't even assume that it wasn't a designer of it
somewhere.

So who designed your god?

Cheers,

b&

haha I knew this would be the first question. Who created eternity (it =

doesn't end

anywhere)?? always something behind it? but.. oink oink! that's impossi=

ble. SAme

with God, and our little understanding of impossibilities-we don't know=

it, maybe

one day we will?

ear old butthead.
No,.calling someone dumb doesn't make a person smart, but providing the
evidence and then seeing you run away from it makes *you* a three-year
old. Get your facts straight. Now **WHICH PART OF WHERE IS YOUR
SUPPORTIVE EVIDENCE** is it that still isn't making it through your
thick-as-pigshit skull?

You are claiming on the one hand that the universe could not have
started itself, and therefore some god had to do it, but that this god
is eternal. Well, that's where your "logic" fails you yet again. If a
god can be eternal, so can this unvierse in some form or another. If
the universe required a starter, then so too must your god. You cannot
have it both ways. It, like you, really is that simple.

--->I just said the univers is eternal, but that we deny it with our mind=

s=2E
The **EVIDENCE** (look up that word - clearly you have no clue what it
means) doesn't support your claim.

We are used
to things having a beginning and an end,

Which is precisely what your lying Bible claims.

but if you wrap your mind around eternity,
you will have a problem on your hand. We are not equipped to deal with en=

dlessness

or divine nature.

You aren't, clearly.

The universe requiring a starter, yes, in it's present form. What was
there before that (big bang?). Heard any scientist grapple into that one?=

They don't

have a clue, so why should we be so cocky about it?

No, *you* don't have a clue. Scientists are a lot smarter. I guess
that confirms your three-year old status.
So here we are once again. We've been through an entire message from
you and proven that it is completely devoid of fact or supporting
argument. All you are is an opinion. Opinions are like assholes.
Everyone has one and most of them stink. Yours does in particular.
Budikka
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User: "-�Saba Gracile-�"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	22 Apr 2006 06:14:06 AM

"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> skrev i melding
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� Saba Gracile� wrote:

"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> skrev i melding
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� Saba Gracile� wrote:

"Ben Goren" <ben@trumpetpower.com> skrev i melding
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� Saba Gracile� wrote:

If one takes a computer and looks inside it how neatly it is
designed and also comes with software and all the programs
necessary for it's particular function fully functioning in all
its glory, would you ask where the human who made it can be
found? You wouldn't even assume that it wasn't a designer of it
somewhere.

So who designed your god?

Cheers,

b&

No,.calling someone dumb doesn't make a person smart, but providing the
evidence and then seeing you run away from it makes *you* a three-year
old. Get your facts straight. Now **WHICH PART OF WHERE IS YOUR
SUPPORTIVE EVIDENCE** is it that still isn't making it through your
thick-as-pigshit skull?
--->WHERE IS THE THOUSANDS OF INDISPUTABLE TRANSITIONS WHERE
ALL LIVING CREATURES ARE ABOUT TO PASSAGE INTO A WHOLE DIFFERENT
SPIECES? WHERE WAS THERE EVER SOMETHING BEFORE THE LION, AND
WILL THERE EVER BE ANOTHER TRANSITION FROM A LION TO ANYTHING ELSE?
NOOOOOOOOPE! THE LION WERE ALWAYS A LION, MEANT TO BE A LION, WITH
ALL ITS GLORIOUS FUR AROUND HIS NECK, HIS GAZING EYES AND HIS POWERFUL
BODY. THERE WAS NEVER SOMETHING BEFORE THE LION WHO BECAME THE LION.
THERE WAS NEVER SOMETHING BEFORE THE GIRAFFE THAT BECAME THE GIRAFFE.
THERE WAS NEVER SOMETHING BEFORE THE HIPPOPOTTAMUS THAT LATER BECAME
THE HIPPOPOTAMUS, OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THAT RESEMBLES ANY OF THOSE
ANIMALS. WHY? BECAUSE THEY WERE, AND WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THESE ANIMALS!
got it now, bimbo?

The **EVIDENCE** (look up that word - clearly you have no clue what it
means) doesn't support your claim.

We are used
to things having a beginning and an end,

Which is precisely what your lying Bible claims.
---well, duh, it started for us somewhere, but not for GOD; probably. Who knows? Like, when did
eternity start? who knows? if there's something outside the universe, then that would be something
too
and it WOULD in fact be endless, no matter if it ends. See the problem here?

but if you wrap your mind around eternity,
you will have a problem on your hand. We are not equipped to deal with endlessness
or divine nature.

You aren't, clearly.
--and you just act like a bimbo about what you don't understand, but too proud to admit
that maybe our creator/s are somthing somewhere we dont' fathom.

User: "Budikka666"
Title: Saba Gracile Has No Science to Offer	22 Apr 2006 07:48:08 AM

-=ACSaba Gracile-=AC wrote:

"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> skrev i melding
No,.calling someone dumb doesn't make a person smart, but providing the
evidence and then seeing you run away from it makes *you* a three-year
old. Get your facts straight. Now **WHICH PART OF WHERE IS YOUR
SUPPORTIVE EVIDENCE** is it that still isn't making it through your
thick-as-pigshit skull?

--->WHERE IS THE THOUSANDS OF INDISPUTABLE TRANSITIONS WHERE
ALL LIVING CREATURES ARE ABOUT TO PASSAGE INTO A WHOLE DIFFERENT
SPIECES?

WHERE WAS THERE EVER SOMETHING BEFORE THE LION, AND
WILL THERE EVER BE ANOTHER TRANSITION FROM A LION TO ANYTHING ELSE?

Why don't you do some work and read about evolution before you pretend
you can pontificate on it so you don't embarrass yourself any further?
If you're really interested in lion evolution, read something like
this:
http://www.fireflybooks.com/books/75428F.html
Pretty much everything is evolving, but organisms don't routinely
speciate without some sort of environmental pressure. Unless some
competitor with the lion comes along, or the environment embarks on a
dramatic change, lions are not likely to change much.
Now it's your turn to answer my question. Where is your scientifically
valid evidence that any god had anything to do with species diversity
and distribution?

NOOOOOOOOPE! THE LION WERE ALWAYS A LION, MEANT TO BE A LION,

Evidence? None. It's just your stupid opinion.

THERE WAS NEVER SOMETHING BEFORE THE GIRAFFE THAT BECAME THE GIRAFFE.

Try reading about the Okapi, moron.

THERE WAS NEVER SOMETHING BEFORE THE HIPPOPOTTAMUS THAT LATER BECAME
THE HIPPOPOTAMUS,

Why is it that the closest living relative of whales is the
hippopotamus?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/434566.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4204021.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1553008.stm

---well, duh, it started for us somewhere, but not for GOD; probably. Who=

knows?
Exactly. You *don't* know, yet you are trying to parlay this ignorance
into knowledge. You're saying notbing more than "I don't know
therefore godidit". And that doesn't work outside of kindergarten.
Why is it that every time science has been in a position to investigate
something previously claimed to be the work of a god, that no god has
ever been found to be behind it?
Logically, this should be sufficient for a presumption that no god will
*ever* be found to be behind anyhting.

Like, when did
eternity start? who knows?

Eternity never started, by deifnition, you fucking ignoramus.
Seriously, if your level of education is at this grade school level,
you are *not* worth the skin you're wearing. Is this ignorant
adolescent angst all you have to recommend you?

if there's something outside the universe, then that would be something
too

There's nothing "outside" the universe.

and it WOULD in fact be endless, no matter if it ends. See the problem he=

re?
No, it has a boundary that you could reach if you traveled about 15
billion light years instantly.

--and you just act like a bimbo about what you don't understand, but too =

proud to admit

that maybe our creator/s are somthing somewhere we dont' fathom.

No, the bimbo is you. I have supported every single thing I have
asserted and **YOU HAVE RUN FROM IT LIKE A COWARD**. You have
supported *nothing* you have said. I have answered **ALL** of your
questions. You ahve answered **NONE** of mine. All you've done is
make blind-***** idiotic assertions. Are you 12 or 13 years old that
this is the best you can offer? That's how you appear to the world.

--supporting what? endlessness? kinda hard, ey?

Supoporting your claims that there was no evolution, asswipe. Now
where is your evidence supporting creation? Let's start with that.
Answer the question. Provide scientific support.
Or you can run away again like the pathetic little vacuous coward that
you are.
Budikka
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User: "-�Saba Gracile-�"
Title: Re: Saba Gracile Has No Science to Offer	23 Apr 2006 01:24:08 PM

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-�Saba Gracile-� wrote:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1a.html#amph1
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1b.html#rept1
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1b.html#bird
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1b.html#mamm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part2a.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/horses/
http://www.talkorigins.org/features/whales/
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#morphological_i...
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/
--> I will say like gullable persons here who *whine*about sites- you are taking this
from evolusionism sites that is full of evolusionism, that is not valid blablabla.
Besides, if there's horses looking like something else, or whales or other
creatures being *made* to be transitions by you does NOT mean that they
are changing to another speices or that this is what took place in a huge-scaled
differentiation process into all the speices of today. Sorry about that, but you
can't be this crazy, there has to be 1000nds more, if it's true.
Why is it that you think you can persistently demand answers from
others while never giving a supported answer yourself? Do you think
you're god? Why is it you think you can make unsupported assertions
and they carry more weight (or even any weight) whereas 150 years of
solid science from people of all faiths and nationalities carry no
weight?
--where are the INDISPUTABLE 10000+ transitions, this is not enough, even if they
WERE REAL transisions. You can't address that issue honestly, you know you're fucked.
S
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User: "Mindfucked"
Title: Re: Saba Gracile Has No Science to Offer	22 Apr 2006 02:17:27 PM

"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Why is it that you think you can persistently demand answers from
others while never giving a supported answer yourself? Do you think
you're god?

Maybe her defence here is that she can do it because you do it?
.

User: "Free Lunch"
Title: Re: Creation Challenge: Where is Positive Scientific Evidence for ID?	22 Apr 2006 08:22:46 AM

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:14:06 +0200, in alt.talk.creationism
"-�Saba Gracile-�" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in
<xtKdnVocNs6djdfZ4p2dnA@telenor.com>:

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� Saba Gracile� wrote:

"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> skrev i melding
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� Saba Gracile� wrote:

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� Saba Gracile� wrote:

If one takes a computer and looks inside it how neatly it is
designed and also comes with software and all the programs
necessary for it's particular function fully functioning in all
its glory, would you ask where the human who made it can be
found? You wouldn't even assume that it wasn't a designer of it
somewhere.

So who designed your god?

Cheers,

b&

What evidence do you have to support your claim that any gods exist? Why
do you reject the scientific evidence for evolution?

--->WHERE IS THE THOUSANDS OF INDISPUTABLE TRANSITIONS WHERE
ALL LIVING CREATURES ARE ABOUT TO PASSAGE INTO A WHOLE DIFFERENT
SPIECES? WHERE WAS THERE EVER SOMETHING BEFORE THE LION, AND
WILL THERE EVER BE ANOTHER TRANSITION FROM A LION TO ANYTHING ELSE?

NOOOOOOOOPE! THE LION WERE ALWAYS A LION, MEANT TO BE A LION, WITH
ALL ITS GLORIOUS FUR AROUND HIS NECK, HIS GAZING EYES AND HIS POWERFUL
BODY. THERE WAS NEVER SOMETHING BEFORE THE LION WHO BECAME THE LION.
THERE WAS NEVER SOMETHING BEFORE THE GIRAFFE THAT BECAME THE GIRAFFE.
THERE WAS NEVER SOMETHING BEFORE THE HIPPOPOTTAMUS THAT LATER BECAME
THE HIPPOPOTAMUS, OR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THAT RESEMBLES ANY OF THOSE
ANIMALS. WHY? BECAUSE THEY WERE, AND WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THESE ANIMALS!

got it now, bimbo?

Humans will wipe out the last lion and creationists will claim that's
proof of lack of transitionals. Lions and tigers share a fairly recent
common ancestor. All cat species share a slightly less recent one. The
lion was not always a lion.

The **EVIDENCE** (look up that word - clearly you have no clue what it
means) doesn't support your claim.

Why not? I want specifics.
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