"-¬Saba Gracile-¬" <veronisc@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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On that basis, I see no reason whatsoever to suspect that Saba has a low

IQ.

It's way above average, on different tets. *brag*

What do tests show other than the ability to pass tests?

It's her imaginary god; if she wants an imaginary god with large hands,

then

so be it - who am I to argue?

I didn't need an imaginary god, it's just that it's the best explanation

so far for

the systems of intelligent creation that actually exists, proof in their

very own existance.

Your wholehearted belief in that assumption proves nothing other than what
perceptual framework you consistently adopt to consider these kinds of
questions in relation to.

"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> skrev i melding
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¬ Saba Gracile¬ wrote:

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"Ben Goren" <ben@trumpetpower.com> wrote in message

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¬ Saba Gracile¬ wrote:

If one takes a computer and looks inside it how neatly it is
designed and also comes with software and all the programs
necessary for it's particular function fully functioning in all
its glory, would you ask where the human who made it can be
found? You wouldn't even assume that it wasn't a designer of it
somewhere.

So who designed your god?

None of them will answer my questions either. If their god could create a whole Universe how
come
he couldn't write his own scrolls? Why did he need humans to do it for him?
--

Ok, that would be easy, he'd just need a monumental pen (or feather or whatever
they used back then) and that would be so much easier? I think not.

Those last three words pretty much define you and your ilk, don't they?

-->it was kind of a joke which went over your head.

If he wrote the bible himself
in 10 seconds, would anybody believe in it more? no, but he connects with humans
in what he did, that's one important factor that you missed.

Do you know what makes me laugh my ***** off about you creationists? Let
me share it with you. It's that you have the blind, unthinking gall to
claim (without a shred of published science to support you) that your
god is magnificent and only he could have "designed" nature, then you
turn right around and give de facto admission after admission that he's
the most incompetent, hamfisted, brain-dead, clueless designer ever to
create.

-->brain-dead? He designed the brain, that makes him a rocket scientist in my eyes.

Your message here is a case in point. Humans erected the pyramids.
Around the same time as the Great pyramid was constructed, primitive
humans (even by Egyptian standards) erected Stonehenge.

--->*clap clap* That proves God's inexistance? Nobody knows how those
stones where put there,

neither does scientists

believe that some of the most advanced
crop circles are made by man (what ever that implies). We have a 3D understanding
of the world from our senses. That doesn't mean that is all there is.

It's just that we can't
experience it. There could be other life forms, beings, and they could be close as
the air we breathe, but we don't see it.

In a 1000 years, the scientists will laugh at
themselves for being so narrow minded. And you would laugh at your super scepticism
if you could.

Those monuments still stand today and speak to us. We may not always
understand what they say, but even at that, they still tell us there
was an intelligence and a purpose to the work which no human can
pervert.

---> So what's your point, about these things?

You believe in some stones, fantastic as
they are, but not in a creation of intelligence?

So enough of your mindless stupidity. Post your evidence for this god
- your scientific support for your claims - or shut-the-*****-up with
your infantile blather.

Well, duh. I'd create beings that both had free will yet never did
anything evil.

image, and all that? And we /know/ that you think that's possible,
because that's exactly how you describe people once they get to
the Heaven-land amazement park.

So what the ***** is your god waiting for? What's with all this
***** he's inflicting on us in the mean time? If he wants
everybody to be ``perfect'' with him in Heaven, why not just
``make it so''?

Oh, right. I forgot--sorry. Your god is nothing more than the
verbal cape your handlers keep waving in front of you to distract
you while they fleece you of all your money.

Cheers,

b&

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Please learn how to properly attribute your quotations. You've
fucked up this thread up rather badly. I've tried to clean it
up...but no guarantees I got it right....

¬ Saba Gracile¬ wrote:

Budikka666 wrote:

¬ Saba Gracile¬ wrote:

My 2 ¢ wrote:

Ben Goren wrote:

¬ Saba Gracile¬ wrote:

If one takes a computer and looks inside it how neatly it
is designed and also comes with software and all the
programs necessary for it's particular function fully
functioning in all its glory, would you ask where the human
who made it can be found? You wouldn't even assume that it
wasn't a designer of it somewhere.

So who designed your god?

None of them will answer my questions either. If their god
could create a whole Universe how come he couldn't write his
own scrolls? Why did he need humans to do it for him? --

Ok, that would be easy, he'd just need a monumental pen (or
feather or whatever they used back then) and that would be so
much easier? I think not.

Those last three words pretty much define you and your ilk,
don't they?

it was kind of a joke which went over your head. If he wrote the
bible himself in 10 seconds, would anybody believe in it more?
no, but he connects with humans in what he did, that's one
important factor that you missed.

Dude...the Bible is some of the worst and worngest fiction ever
set to paper--/and/ it's just about the most IMmoral document ever
authored. I mean, come on! An all-loving superdude who plays
Jedi mind tricks on a hapless victim just to give himself an
excuse to murder hundreds of thousands of describedly-innocent
children? Infinite torture for 99% of humanity for failing to give
his son a good enough rim job? And that's not to mention all the
God-ordered genocides, mass rapes, cannibalism, infanticides,
slavery, and more.

Do you know what makes me laugh my ***** off about you
creationists? Let me share it with you. It's that you have
the blind, unthinking gall to claim (without a shred of
published science to support you) that your god is magnificent
and only he could have "designed" nature, then you turn right
around and give de facto admission after admission that he's
the most incompetent, hamfisted, brain-dead, clueless designer
ever to create.

brain-dead? He designed the brain, that makes him a rocket
scientist in my eyes.

And you typed that with a straight face? Rocket scientists doing
biochemical engineering?

Your message here is a case in point. Humans erected the
pyramids. Around the same time as the Great pyramid was
constructed, primitive humans (even by Egyptian standards)
erected Stonehenge.

*clap clap* That proves God's inexistance? Nobody knows how
those stones where put there,

<sigh>

The weren't ``put'' /anywhere./ They simply /are./

neither does scientists believe that some of the most advanced
crop circles are made by man (what ever that implies).

It implies that you're an illogical fuckwit who'll swallow
whatever some fast-talking con artist shoves down your throat. The
crop circles have been so well demonstrated to be public guerrilla
art (including the artists's own statements) that it's not even
funny.

We have a 3D understanding of the world from our senses. That
doesn't mean that is all there is. It's just that we can't
experience it. There could be other life forms, beings, and they
could be close as the air we breathe, but we don't see it.

Never heard of yeast? Oh, that's right. I bet you think it's some
grain angel that makes bread rise.

In a 1000 years, the scientists will laugh at themselves for
being so narrow minded. And you would laugh at your super
scepticism if you could.

Well, in that case, you shouldn't have even the slightest trouble
offering up some evidence to back your superstitious idiocy.

You know how, a couple thousand years later, you think the ancient
Egyptians were absolute morons for believing in Ra and Set and
Horus? Well, that's /exactly/ the same kind of moron /you/
are for still believing in YHWH, Ha-Satan, and Kristos--the
then-contemporary nearly perfectly parallel challengers to the
Egyptian old guard.

Those monuments still stand today and speak to us. We may not
always understand what they say, but even at that, they still
tell us there was an intelligence and a purpose to the work
which no human can pervert.

So what's your point, about these things? You believe in some
stones, fantastic as they are, but not in a creation of
intelligence? Yes, we have perverted a great deal, that doesn't
mean that there wasn't a devine purpose without the pervertion
to begin with. Why does one thing rule out another for you guys?

Because only perfection can come from perfection. If your
invisible friend were perfect, his creation would have been
perfect. That includes, of course, perfect safeguards against his
perfect creation corrupting itself.

By admitting that humans have perverted your favorite faerie's
well-laid plans, you unequivocally demonstrate that it's powerless
in the face of the feeble flailings of its own fabrication.

Isn't it possible to have more than one thought in ones head at
a time?

In your case, I'd settle for just one.

What idiots like you would have us believe is that there is a
perfect, omnisicent, omnipotent god who had all eternity in
which to work and infinite reosurces upon which to call, and
the best he could do with all of that is what we see. And then
you would have us believe that this god of yours couldn't even
find a permanent and unequivocal way to let us know a single
reliable thing about him or his purpose without letting humans
***** it up.

If he came down and showed you his miracles, you would say it's
a natural phenomenon or that you were dreaming.

But that's a moot point, isn't it? He never even tries. You'd have
us believe that, mere hundreds of generations ago, miracles were
happening all over the place--talking snakes and shrubbery, dudes
walking on water, other dudes walking under water. Yet today? All
we get is photographic toast. Big whoop.

I don't believe in a creator just after a second of bliss or
something like you seem to think. It's more of a tiresome and
thoughtful calculation process, that this in fact must be the
cause of everything. A mind that wanted differenct spieces as
their own artforms in flesh. This is what evidence agree with,
so why not?

What is this ``evidence'' of which you speak? You've yet to offer
any.

Humans with free will have screwed up all they can, and then
it's up to the creator to come show how it should be, and now we
will have the reasons we need to agree. He would never force his
will on us, as we would still doubt our freedom if he did. What
would you do if you were God, force everybody to do what he
wants or make them realize that his ways are probably the best
idea?

Well, duh. I'd create beings that both had free will yet never did
anything evil. You know, like how you say your god is--in its own
image, and all that? And we /know/ that you think that's possible,
because that's exactly how you describe people once they get to
the Heaven-land amazement park.

So what the ***** is your god waiting for? What's with all this
***** he's inflicting on us in the mean time? If he wants
everybody to be ``perfect'' with him in Heaven, why not just
``make it so''?

Oh, right. I forgot--sorry. Your god is nothing more than the
verbal cape your handlers keep waving in front of you to distract
you while they fleece you of all your money.

Cheers,

b&

--
EAC Memographer
BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
``All but God can prove this sentence true.''

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