On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 06:03:51 GMT in alt.atheism, Jason Gastrich
("Jason Gastrich" <usenetspam1@yahoo.com>) said, directing the reply
to alt.atheism

Without permission, Reggie Finley is charging people money before they can
hear my debate with Dan Barker. I'm offering this debate for free on my web
site. See here:

Where?

I accidentally hit send before I typed the FREE link to my debates:
http://sa.jcsm.org


Jason Gastrich wrote:

Has anyone heard of Reggie Finley? He's also known as The Infidel
Guy. He has a web site and an internet radio program.

Reggie Finley hosts an assortment of mp3 files. He charges people
money to join for a "Gold plan" membership, then they can download
these files. Unfortunately, the Infidel Guy is unethical.

Reggie Finley is hosting a variety of my debates without permission.
If he were offering them for free, then I wouldn't have a problem
with him. However, Infidel Guy is actually charging people money
before they can download them! He's making a profit off my debates
with people like Eddie Tabash and Dan Barker.

See the following link. It's in his "Top Rated" section. Link:
http://infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=TopRated

Without permission, Reggie Finley is charging people money before
they can hear my debate with Dan Barker. I'm offering this debate
for free on my web site. See here:

As you can see (or can't see), Finley even has keywords embedded into
his page with my name on them! If you "View Source" on that page
above, you can see these:

keywords: BIBLE, passion of the Christ critique, liberal, liberal
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So, the Infidel Guy isn't just hosting my debate with Barker. He
isn't just selling it. He's advertising for it and hoping search
engines pick his web page up, so people will pay him for a Gold
membership, then download it!

Is this kind of behavior typical among people like Reggie? Would any
atheist be bold enough to approach Reggie about his unethical
behavior? Somehow, I doubt it.

Reggie Finley is doing the same exact thing with my debate with Eddie
Tabash. He got a copy of it, put it on his web site, then began
charging people before they could hear it. Today, when I politely
asked him to stop, he ran to Eddie Tabash to ask him for permission.
Eddie said ok, but I told both of them that I'd prefer it if the
debate were a FREE download.

Now, you may think it's nice that he got permission from Eddie Tabash
to sell this debate. However, what in the world took him so long?
He has had this debate for months! Doesn't Finley have any
integrity? If he did, he would have asked before he started selling
it.

Finally, I've been very unimpressed with Finley's emails to me. Not
once did he apologize or concede that he was doing anything wrong. I
know he's an atheist, but I thought he had a clue about ethics.

Perhaps another atheist can set him straight. Perhaps not. If
someone does, here is his email address:

In our last episode <bP9Zd.39660$VD5.5611@twister.socal.rr.com>, Jason
Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

Has anyone heard of Reggie Finley? He's also known as The Infidel Guy.
He has a web site and an internet radio program.

Reggie Finley hosts an assortment of mp3 files. He charges people money
to join for a "Gold plan" membership, then they can download these files.
Unfortunately, the Infidel Guy is unethical.

Why should anyone believe the account of a proven hypocrite like you?

In our last episode <bP9Zd.39660$VD5.5611@twister.socal.rr.com>,

Gastrich pirouetted gracefully and with great fanfare proclaimed:

Has anyone heard of Reggie Finley?

If he thinks so, he is so full of himself. He's just trying
to find something wrong with everyone else because he's the
one that keeps getting his ***** kicked in debate and he's
the one that acquired theinfidelguy.com unethically and
I had to threaten legal action before he agreed to my terms.

Jason Gastrich wrote:

Has anyone heard of Reggie Finley? He's also known as The Infidel

Guy. He

has a web site and an internet radio program.

Reggie Finley hosts an assortment of mp3 files. He charges people

money to

join for a "Gold plan" membership, then they can download these

files.

Unfortunately, the Infidel Guy is unethical...

Perhaps you can answer me a question, Jason: What exactly is ethical
about character assaination?

While it's true that Reg charges for gold membership, he doesn't charge
for each individual download; so it's questionable to say that he's
charging people to listen to your debates, because the gold section
hosts far more material than just you. No one would pay just to listen
to you.

Of course, we know the real reason for this and that is that Reggie is
such an effective voice that Christians are trying to shut him down in
whatever way they can, even to the point of hacking into his system.

Now, you're trying to hit him in the wallet by offering atheists free
what Reg charges for. It won't work, because not only do we atheists
recognise that Reg is an ordinary person like us and doesn't have the
resources of a church behind hime, but he offers much more than just
you.

It seems you people have a distinct problem with free speech, except
when it allows people to listen to you, of course; you're all for that.

If you can't deal honestly with people, I suggest you shouldn't deal at
all.

(-: Ian :-)

Jason Gastrich wrote:

Has anyone heard of Reggie Finley? He's also known as The Infidel

Guy. He

has a web site and an internet radio program.

Reggie Finley hosts an assortment of mp3 files. He charges people

money to

join for a "Gold plan" membership, then they can download these

files.

Unfortunately, the Infidel Guy is unethical...

Perhaps you can answer me a question, Jason: What exactly is ethical
about character assaination?

While it's true that Reg charges for gold membership, he doesn't charge
for each individual download; so it's questionable to say that he's
charging people to listen to your debates, because the gold section
hosts far more material than just you. No one would pay just to listen
to you.

Of course, we know the real reason for this and that is that Reggie is
such an effective voice that Christians are trying to shut him down in
whatever way they can, even to the point of hacking into his system.

Now, you're trying to hit him in the wallet by offering atheists free
what Reg charges for. It won't work, because not only do we atheists
recognise that Reg is an ordinary person like us and doesn't have the
resources of a church behind hime, but he offers much more than just
you.

It seems you people have a distinct problem with free speech, except
when it allows people to listen to you, of course; you're all for that.

If you can't deal honestly with people, I suggest you shouldn't deal at
all.

(-: Ian :-)

Jason Gastrich wrote:

Has anyone heard of Reggie Finley? He's also known as The Infidel
Guy. He has a web site and an internet radio program.

Reggie Finley hosts an assortment of mp3 files. He charges people
money to join for a "Gold plan" membership, then they can download
these files. Unfortunately, the Infidel Guy is unethical...

Perhaps you can answer me a question, Jason: What exactly is ethical
about character assaination?

While it's true that Reg charges for gold membership, he doesn't
charge for each individual download; so it's questionable to say that
he's charging people to listen to your debates, because the gold
section hosts far more material than just you. No one would pay just
to listen to you.

Of course, we know the real reason for this and that is that Reggie is
such an effective voice that Christians are trying to shut him down in
whatever way they can, even to the point of hacking into his system.

Now, you're trying to hit him in the wallet by offering atheists free
what Reg charges for.

It won't work, because not only do we atheists
recognise that Reg is an ordinary person like us and doesn't have the
resources of a church behind hime, but he offers much more than just
you.

It seems you people have a distinct problem with free speech, except
when it allows people to listen to you, of course; you're all for
that.

If you can't deal honestly with people, I suggest you shouldn't deal
at all.

(-: Ian :-)