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"Budikka" |
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07 Aug 2004 07:31:08 AM |
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Another (Yawn) Blow to Creationists |
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/27/bc.japan.yawningchimps.ap/index.html
reveals that chimpanzees yawn just like we do, uncovering yet another
example of just how much like chimps we are (or they like us). Not
only is our DNA almost identical, most of our behaviors are, too. As
Tetsuro Matsuzawa, professor at the Primate Research Institute at
Kyoto University says int he article: "Humans have a strong belief in
our differences. Objectively, we should be one member of the apes."
Budikka
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| User: "Precision" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) Blow to Creationists |
07 Aug 2004 08:10:53 AM |
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"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408070431.6458b14f@posting.google.com...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/27/bc.japan.yawningchimps.ap/index.html
reveals that chimpanzees yawn just like we do, uncovering yet another
example of just how much like chimps we are (or they like us). Not
only is our DNA almost identical, most of our behaviors are, too. As
Tetsuro Matsuzawa, professor at the Primate Research Institute at
Kyoto University says int he article: "Humans have a strong belief in
our differences. Objectively, we should be one member of the apes."
Budikka
Thanks for sharing, Budikka! Our DNA is *almost* identical. I thought
humans were *almost* identical in their DNA to dolphins and a host of other
species. On that basis I experienced a momentary epiphany after reading the
startling conclusion that Professor Matsuzawa has "objectively" drawn. Could
this explain why all humans love bananas? ;-)
Precision
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07 Aug 2004 09:43:28 AM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> astounded us with:
news:4114d4be_1@Usenet.com:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408070431.6458b14f@posting.google.com...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/27/bc.japan.yawningchimps.ap/inde
x.html
reveals that chimpanzees yawn just like we do, uncovering yet another
example of just how much like chimps we are (or they like us). Not
only is our DNA almost identical, most of our behaviors are, too. As
Tetsuro Matsuzawa, professor at the Primate Research Institute at
Kyoto University says int he article: "Humans have a strong belief in
our differences. Objectively, we should be one member of the apes."
Budikka
Thanks for sharing, Budikka! Our DNA is *almost* identical. I thought
humans were *almost* identical in their DNA to dolphins and a host of
other species. On that basis I experienced a momentary epiphany after
reading the startling conclusion that Professor Matsuzawa has
"objectively" drawn. Could this explain why all humans love bananas? ;-)
Precision
Peel a banana, split it lengthways, place on a microwaveable plate, microwave
for 15-20 seconds, serve with whipped cream or ice cream, and maple syrup,
crushed nuts sprinkled on top is optional.
Or, place unpeeled banana on a BBQ grill, remove when the skin is blackened,
do as above.
--
Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://forums.clickhalah.com/index.php
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| User: "Precision" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) Blow to Creationists |
07 Aug 2004 07:37:57 PM |
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"Phÿltêr" <Phÿltêr@hsotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns953EE74FB40F2Smeagolsbane@192.189.54.177...
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> astounded us with:
news:4114d4be_1@Usenet.com:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408070431.6458b14f@posting.google.com...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/27/bc.japan.yawningchimps.ap/inde
x.html
reveals that chimpanzees yawn just like we do, uncovering yet another
example of just how much like chimps we are (or they like us). Not
only is our DNA almost identical, most of our behaviors are, too. As
Tetsuro Matsuzawa, professor at the Primate Research Institute at
Kyoto University says int he article: "Humans have a strong belief in
our differences. Objectively, we should be one member of the apes."
Budikka
Thanks for sharing, Budikka! Our DNA is *almost* identical. I thought
humans were *almost* identical in their DNA to dolphins and a host of
other species. On that basis I experienced a momentary epiphany after
reading the startling conclusion that Professor Matsuzawa has
"objectively" drawn. Could this explain why all humans love bananas? ;-)
Precision
Peel a banana, split it lengthways, place on a microwaveable plate,
microwave
for 15-20 seconds, serve with whipped cream or ice cream, and maple syrup,
crushed nuts sprinkled on top is optional.
Or, place unpeeled banana on a BBQ grill, remove when the skin is
blackened,
do as above.
That sounds so good!
You forgot to do a DNA test on the result... perhaps you will discover an
EXACT DNA MATCH to prove once and for all that we evolved from this simple
dessert? ;-)
Precision
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Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://forums.clickhalah.com/index.php
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| User: "Budikka" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) Blow to Creationists |
07 Aug 2004 01:56:14 PM |
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"Phÿltêr" <Phÿltêr@hsotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Xns953EE74FB40F2Smeagolsbane@192.189.54.177>...
Peel a banana, split it lengthways, place on a microwaveable plate, microwave
for 15-20 seconds, serve with whipped cream or ice cream, and maple syrup,
crushed nuts sprinkled on top is optional.
Or, place unpeeled banana on a BBQ grill, remove when the skin is blackened,
do as above.
Crushed nuts sounds painful - unless we're crushing the nuts in these
news groups by posting facts about evolution that they cannot even
begin to refute!
B.
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| User: "Echo2Drs" |
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08 Aug 2004 01:11:59 AM |
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Crushed nuts sounds painful - unless we're crushing the nuts in these
news groups by posting facts about evolution that they cannot even
begin to refute!
B.
LOL You're right again about our animal flesh bodies have nuts of the apes!
But the soul has no gender so we don't have to worry about getting our nuts
crushed;
or shaving our hairy monkey faces in the morning!
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| User: "Budikka" |
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08 Aug 2004 03:51:08 PM |
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(Echo2Drs) wrote in message news:<20040808021159.07314.00001228@mb-m15.wmconnect.com>...
LOL You're right again about our animal flesh bodies have nuts of the apes!
But the soul has no gender so we don't have to worry about getting our nuts
crushed; or shaving our hairy monkey faces in the morning!
Once again you failed to demonstrate anything but the empty space
between your ears. Congratulations.
And why is it that human males have to shave in the morning? This
creator god of yours couldn't create us with hairless faces to
differentiate us from chimpanzees with whom we share pretty much
everything? It's less than a handful of percentage points which
separate us from them. What mechanism was it which would have
prevented us and them from evolving from a common ancestor? Can you
articulate one? Can any creationist? I thought not. QED.
Budikka
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| User: "Icarus" |
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08 Aug 2004 08:05:42 PM |
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Budikka wrote:
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What mechanism was it which would have prevented
us and [chimpanzees] from evolving from a common
ancestor? Can you articulate one? Can any creationist?
I thought not. QED.
Indeed. We only need to know 3 things, to know that evolution occurs:
First, that mutations occur in the genetic code, second that at least
some mutations are heritable, third that at least some mutations
affect reproductive success. If those 3 things are true, evolution is
not only possible, it's inevitable. The evidence from genetics,
palaeontology, molecular biology and so on just fills in the details.
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| User: "Puck Greenman" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) Blow to Creationists |
08 Aug 2004 03:51:56 PM |
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On 08 Aug 2004 06:11:59 GMT, (Echo2Drs) with
calm deliberation, and malace aforethought, wrote:
LOL You're right again about our animal flesh bodies have nuts of the apes!
But the soul has no gender
Nor does it have any evidence for it's existence.
--
Puck Greenman
#162
BAAWA Knight.
Blesed is the self righteous xtian,
for his is the sure and certain knowledge
that no matter what load of tripe he
comes out with:
God told him to say it.
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| User: "Budikka" |
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07 Aug 2004 01:50:19 PM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message news:<4114d4be_1@Usenet.com>...
Thanks for sharing, Budikka! Our DNA is *almost* identical.
That's true, and someone who uses the handle "precision" in their
messages ought to be a little more accurate in their messages or risk
being assumed to be ignorant.
I thought humans were *almost* identical in their DNA to
dolphins and a host of other species.
It's all relative, and if more people understood this they wouldn't
make idiots of themselves on a world-wide forum.
The further we travel back through evolutionary history and compare
ourselves with extant species, the bigger the differences become. Our
closest relatives are chimpanzees, and we are almost identical to them
in many ways, not least of which is in our DNA. We not only share
well over 90% of DNA with them, we also share evolution's mistakes in
our DNA with Chimpanzees because those mistakes occurred before we and
they became separate species. This is something that could not be
true if some god had created us as separate kinds 6,000 years ago.
Dolphins are further away from us on the evolutionary scale and while
we have a lot of similarity to them also, it is not as much as we have
with chimpanzess. We share a lot of similarity with mice, too. They
have only 300 genes we do not have and we have only 300 they do not
have, out of a total of 30,000 genes we each have. This means that it
takes only some 60 million years and a base pair change every two
years to turn a mouse ancestor into a human or vice-versa, roughly
speaking.
On that basis I experienced a momentary epiphany
There are definitely people posting messages on this topic who
desperately need one.
after reading the startling conclusion that
Professor Matsuzawa has "objectively" drawn. Could
this explain why all humans love bananas? ;-)
No, but it could explain why some people blather inane comments when
they don't know what they're talking about. Matsuzawa was not the
first to make this observation. Carl von Linne, the Swedish botanist,
also noted this when he created the taxonomic system.
Budikka
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| User: "Ed" |
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07 Aug 2004 11:46:32 PM |
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Not.
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
news:4114d4be_1@Usenet.com...
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408070431.6458b14f@posting.google.com...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/27/bc.japan.yawningchimps.ap/index.html
reveals that chimpanzees yawn just like we do, uncovering yet another
example of just how much like chimps we are (or they like us). Not
only is our DNA almost identical, most of our behaviors are, too. As
Tetsuro Matsuzawa, professor at the Primate Research Institute at
Kyoto University says int he article: "Humans have a strong belief in
our differences. Objectively, we should be one member of the apes."
Budikka
Thanks for sharing, Budikka! Our DNA is *almost* identical. I thought
humans were *almost* identical in their DNA to dolphins and a host of
other
species. On that basis I experienced a momentary epiphany after reading
the
startling conclusion that Professor Matsuzawa has "objectively" drawn.
Could
this explain why all humans love bananas? ;-)
Precision
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| User: "ArWeGod" |
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08 Aug 2004 03:20:01 AM |
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"Ed" <ed.masterson@cox.net> wrote in message
news:10hbc0mgqnq8a91@corp.supernews.com...
Not.
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
news:4114d4be_1@Usenet.com...
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408070431.6458b14f@posting.google.com...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/27/bc.japan.yawningchimps.ap/index.html
reveals that chimpanzees yawn just like we do, uncovering yet another
example of just how much like chimps we are (or they like us). Not
only is our DNA almost identical, most of our behaviors are, too. As
Tetsuro Matsuzawa, professor at the Primate Research Institute at
Kyoto University says int he article: "Humans have a strong belief in
our differences. Objectively, we should be one member of the apes."
Thanks for sharing, Budikka! Our DNA is *almost* identical.
I thought humans were *almost* identical in their DNA to dolphins
and a host of other species.
Only because we are carbon-baseed life forms. If we find other life in the
multiverse they will hold a quite similar percentage. If you breath oxygen,
eat organics, and drink water you must have a DNA that is at least 95% or so
like us (my guess).
--
ArWeAlive
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| User: "Budikka" |
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08 Aug 2004 03:53:41 PM |
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"Ed" <ed.masterson@cox.net> wrote in message news:<10hbc0mgqnq8a91@corp.supernews.com>...
Not.
Well that sure knocked flat 145 years of solid and widespread evidence
supporting the Theory of Evolution.
You ever get any evidence to support your blind beliefs, please do
post it. I won't hold my breath.
Budikka
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| User: "Brainfried" |
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07 Aug 2004 09:00:36 AM |
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On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 06:10:53 -0700, "Precision" <precision@Usenet.com>
wrote:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408070431.6458b14f@posting.google.com...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/27/bc.japan.yawningchimps.ap/index.html
reveals that chimpanzees yawn just like we do, uncovering yet another
example of just how much like chimps we are (or they like us). Not
only is our DNA almost identical, most of our behaviors are, too. As
Tetsuro Matsuzawa, professor at the Primate Research Institute at
Kyoto University says int he article: "Humans have a strong belief in
our differences. Objectively, we should be one member of the apes."
Budikka
Thanks for sharing, Budikka! Our DNA is *almost* identical. I thought
humans were *almost* identical in their DNA to dolphins and a host of other
species. On that basis I experienced a momentary epiphany after reading the
startling conclusion that Professor Matsuzawa has "objectively" drawn. Could
this explain why all humans love bananas? ;-)
Precision
Speaking of bananas, humans and bananas share 50% of DNA. Maybe
that's why you love them? You're just some banana loving weirdo. ;-)
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| User: "Precision" |
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07 Aug 2004 07:21:59 PM |
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"Brainfried" <no@way.com> wrote in message
news:cvn9h0pac0ksg32nqr5nekrt8eqpl35i2p@4ax.com...
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 06:10:53 -0700, "Precision" <precision@Usenet.com>
wrote:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408070431.6458b14f@posting.google.com...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/07/27/bc.japan.yawningchimps.ap/index.
html
reveals that chimpanzees yawn just like we do, uncovering yet another
example of just how much like chimps we are (or they like us). Not
only is our DNA almost identical, most of our behaviors are, too. As
Tetsuro Matsuzawa, professor at the Primate Research Institute at
Kyoto University says int he article: "Humans have a strong belief in
our differences. Objectively, we should be one member of the apes."
Budikka
Thanks for sharing, Budikka! Our DNA is *almost* identical. I thought
humans were *almost* identical in their DNA to dolphins and a host of
other
species. On that basis I experienced a momentary epiphany after reading
the
startling conclusion that Professor Matsuzawa has "objectively" drawn.
Could
this explain why all humans love bananas? ;-)
Precision
Speaking of bananas, humans and bananas share 50% of DNA. Maybe
that's why you love them? You're just some banana loving weirdo. ;-)
Very funny! ;-)
Precision
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| User: "Budikka" |
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08 Aug 2004 03:47:10 PM |
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"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message news:<4115720a_4@Usenet.com>...
Speaking of bananas, humans and bananas share 50% of DNA. Maybe
that's why you love them? You're just some banana loving weirdo. ;-)
Very funny! ;-)
Might be funny if it had anything whatsoever to do with the issue at
hand, which is the validity of the claim.
I never said anything about liking or disliking bananas, but
Brainfried (an appropriate choice of handle, apparently) has used this
throw-away comment in a fashion that is typically a creationist
response - to avoid dealing with the actual subject of the thread or
the lack of support for the claim regarding banana DNA. Did he learn
this technique from Jabriol? Or Roadrunner? Or Duke? or Angelicus
Rex or Pastor Dave? They all do it. It's sad that they don't have
anything more useful to say.
Budikka
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| User: "Precision" |
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08 Aug 2004 11:43:04 PM |
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"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408081247.2968a83a@posting.google.com...
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
news:<4115720a_4@Usenet.com>...
Speaking of bananas, humans and bananas share 50% of DNA. Maybe
that's why you love them? You're just some banana loving weirdo. ;-)
Very funny! ;-)
Might be funny if it had anything whatsoever to do with the issue at
hand, which is the validity of the claim.
I never said anything about liking or disliking bananas, but
Brainfried (an appropriate choice of handle, apparently) has used this
throw-away comment in a fashion that is typically a creationist
response - to avoid dealing with the actual subject of the thread or
the lack of support for the claim regarding banana DNA. Did he learn
this technique from Jabriol? Or Roadrunner? Or Duke? or Angelicus
Rex or Pastor Dave? They all do it. It's sad that they don't have
anything more useful to say.
Budikka
Getting back to seriousness, I agree, yes, it is very sad those people you
mentioned and others will abuse the situation, rather than respect the time
it has taken you to present a valid argument and either (a) respond with the
same level of respect and dignity or (b) at least admit they cannot respond,
even if it doesn't alter their faith.
Unfortunately it seems the newsgroups are going through a period of turmoil
where fewer people are willing to INVEST THEMSELVES into a discussion, and
perhaps they are fearful of ridicule in simply admitting they cannot respond
(because they lack knowledge in a given area necessary to provide a cohesive
reply). Of course if your expectations are too high you might take offense
to someone trying to use what logic they possess to take a stab in replying
to a post that is really way over their head.
It is sad that those you mentioned and others not worth mentioning are in
effect bastardizing the newsgroup discussions, which has an effect of
discouraging legitimate point-counterpoint discussions.
Precision
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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09 Aug 2004 08:30:46 AM |
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:43:04 -0700, "Precision"
<precision@Usenet.com> screamed out:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408081247.2968a83a@posting.google.com...
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
news:<4115720a_4@Usenet.com>...
Speaking of bananas, humans and bananas share 50% of DNA. Maybe
that's why you love them? You're just some banana loving weirdo.
;-)
Very funny! ;-)
Might be funny if it had anything whatsoever to do with the issue at
hand, which is the validity of the claim.
I never said anything about liking or disliking bananas, but
Brainfried (an appropriate choice of handle, apparently) has used
this throw-away comment in a fashion that is typically a creationist
response - to avoid dealing with the actual subject of the thread or
the lack of support for the claim regarding banana DNA. Did he learn
this technique from Jabriol? Or Roadrunner? Or Duke? or Angelicus
Rex or Pastor Dave? They all do it. It's sad that they don't have
anything more useful to say.
Budikka
Getting back to seriousness, I agree, yes, it is very sad those people
you mentioned and others will abuse the situation, rather than respect
the time it has taken you to present a valid argument and either (a)
respond with the same level of respect and dignity or (b) at least
admit they cannot respond, even if it doesn't alter their faith.
He simply did not like my answers.
"As will be all too evident, when we examine the creationists' position
in detail, their arguments are devoid of any real intellectual content.
Creationists win debates because of their canny stage presence, and not
through clarity of logic or force of evidence. The debates are shows
rather than serious considerations of evolution."
"To the extent that creationism is science, of course, it is merely bad
science. Mostly, it isn't science at all." (p21)
"Creationists seek to dilute the science curriculum with the equivalent
of medical quackery." (p22)
"Students ought to know that the evidence for evolution has been
scrupulously scrutinized daily by thousands of biologists for well over a
hundred years -- and no one yet has called a press conference trumpeting
his new proof that evolution had NOT occurred. Evolution is as well-
established a scientific notion as gravity. A student ought to know
that." (p23)
"For 'creation-science' isn't science at all nor have creation
'scientists' managed to come up with a single intellectually compelling,
scientifically testable statement about the natural world." (p80) -- The
Monkey Business, Niles Eldredge, 1982
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± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee:
neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out
of my lips was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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09 Aug 2004 06:44:54 AM |
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While skydiving off of the Empire State Building on
Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:43:04 -0700, "Precision"
<precision@Usenet.com> screamed out:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408081247.2968a83a@posting.google.com...
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote in message
news:<4115720a_4@Usenet.com>...
Speaking of bananas, humans and bananas share 50% of DNA. Maybe
that's why you love them? You're just some banana loving weirdo. ;-)
Very funny! ;-)
Might be funny if it had anything whatsoever to do with the issue at
hand, which is the validity of the claim.
I never said anything about liking or disliking bananas, but
Brainfried (an appropriate choice of handle, apparently) has used this
throw-away comment in a fashion that is typically a creationist
response - to avoid dealing with the actual subject of the thread or
the lack of support for the claim regarding banana DNA. Did he learn
this technique from Jabriol? Or Roadrunner? Or Duke? or Angelicus
Rex or Pastor Dave? They all do it. It's sad that they don't have
anything more useful to say.
Budikka
Getting back to seriousness, I agree, yes, it is very sad those people you
mentioned and others will abuse the situation, rather than respect the time
it has taken you to present a valid argument and either (a) respond with the
same level of respect and dignity or (b) at least admit they cannot respond,
even if it doesn't alter their faith.
He simply did not like my answers.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"Were they ashamed when they made an abomination?
They were not at all ashamed, nor did they know
to blush. So they shall fall among those who fall.
At the time I visit them, they shall be cast down,
says Jehovah." - Jeremiah 6:15
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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"...we have a prior commitment, a commitment to
materialism. It is not that the methods and
institutions of science somehow compel us to accept
a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but,
on the contrary, that we are forced by our 'a priori'
adherence to material causes to create a set of
concepts that produce material explanations, no matter
how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the
uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an
absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the
door." - Richard Lewontin, "Billions and Billions
of Demons, The New York Review of Books,
January 9, 1997, p. 31
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) Blow to Creationists |
10 Aug 2004 10:54:52 PM |
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Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<2toeh09app4tklti9n4dkrs5skv6pdvqq5@4ax.com>...
He simply did not like my answers.
If you define "answers" as unsupported, childishly idiotic opinion
based on blind faith and nothing more, then you bet I don't like them.
You've disastrously misled yourself into thinking you can overthrow
145 years of solid scientific support for the Theory of Evolution
published regularly in refereed science journals from multiple
scientific disciplines, and do it with nothing more than a one-liner
in an Internet news group, and I won't let you do it. Learn to live
with it, Disaster Dave, because it is *NOT* going to go away. What
you creationist losers need to do is clean up your sour grapes instead
of misguidedly and tediously turning them into whine.
Budikka
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| User: "Mad Scientist" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) Blow to Creationists |
10 Aug 2004 11:06:03 PM |
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Budikka wrote:
Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<2toeh09app4tklti9n4dkrs5skv6pdvqq5@4ax.com>...
He simply did not like my answers.
If you define "answers" as unsupported, childishly idiotic opinion
based on blind faith and nothing more, then you bet I don't like them.
And like your responses are supposed to be 'reasoned'.
You've disastrously misled yourself into thinking you can overthrow
145 years of solid scientific support for the Theory of Evolution
There is not a single shred of 'solid scientific support; for evolution
whatsoever. Unless you call propaganda 'scientific'.
published regularly in refereed science journals from multiple
scientific disciplines, and do it with nothing more than a one-liner
in an Internet news group, and I won't let you do it. Learn to live
with it, Disaster Dave, because it is *NOT* going to go away. What
you creationist losers need to do is clean up your sour grapes instead
of misguidedly and tediously turning them into whine.
Budikka
ANother usenet psycho blows off some hot air.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) Blow to Creationists |
11 Aug 2004 11:35:17 AM |
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Mad Scientist <through@thelooking.glass> wrote in
news:LWgSc.21$Wt7.11@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com:
Budikka wrote:
Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<2toeh09app4tklti9n4dkrs5skv6pdvqq5@4ax.com>...
He simply did not like my answers.
If you define "answers" as unsupported, childishly idiotic opinion
based on blind faith and nothing more, then you bet I don't like
them.
And like your responses are supposed to be 'reasoned'.
You've disastrously misled yourself into thinking you can overthrow
145 years of solid scientific support for the Theory of Evolution
There is not a single shred of 'solid scientific support; for
evolution whatsoever. Unless you call propaganda 'scientific'.
published regularly in refereed science journals from multiple
scientific disciplines, and do it with nothing more than a one-liner
in an Internet news group, and I won't let you do it. Learn to live
with it, Disaster Dave, because it is *NOT* going to go away. What
you creationist losers need to do is clean up your sour grapes
instead of misguidedly and tediously turning them into whine.
Budikka
ANother usenet psycho blows off some hot air.
Do keep this up. It's proving to all the lurkers that creationists are
mindless idiots without a shred of real evidence to support their silly
claims.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
A false witness is worse than no witness at all.
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| User: "Mad Scientist" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) Blow to Creationists |
11 Aug 2004 11:51:49 AM |
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Another usenet sociopath cries out for help
Dave Oldridge wrote:
Mad Scientist <through@thelooking.glass> wrote in
news:LWgSc.21$Wt7.11@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com:
Budikka wrote:
Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<2toeh09app4tklti9n4dkrs5skv6pdvqq5@4ax.com>...
He simply did not like my answers.
If you define "answers" as unsupported, childishly idiotic opinion
based on blind faith and nothing more, then you bet I don't like
them.
And like your responses are supposed to be 'reasoned'.
You've disastrously misled yourself into thinking you can overthrow
145 years of solid scientific support for the Theory of Evolution
There is not a single shred of 'solid scientific support; for
evolution whatsoever. Unless you call propaganda 'scientific'.
published regularly in refereed science journals from multiple
scientific disciplines, and do it with nothing more than a one-liner
in an Internet news group, and I won't let you do it. Learn to live
with it, Disaster Dave, because it is *NOT* going to go away. What
you creationist losers need to do is clean up your sour grapes
instead of misguidedly and tediously turning them into whine.
Budikka
ANother usenet psycho blows off some hot air.
Do keep this up. It's proving to all the lurkers that creationists are
mindless idiots without a shred of real evidence to support their silly
claims.
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| User: "PLONKS-GALORE" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) Blow to old material |
11 Aug 2004 08:02:52 PM |
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"Mad Scientist" <alice@in.wonderland> wrote in message
news:F8sSc.405$N4e.303@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Another usenet sociopath cries out for help
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Why don't you get some new material? Try an online dictionary for other
mental disorder so you have some variety. :-)
--
Mrs. PLONK....
"Thou seest the mote in thy non-JW brother's eye, but thou seest not the
beam
in thine own JW eye. When thou castest the beam out of thine own JW eye,
then wilt thou see clearly to cast the mote from thy non-JW brother's eye."
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http://quotes.watchtower.ca/
www.JWFiles.com
www.freeminds.org
www.Watchtowerobserver.org
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| User: "Uncle Dollar Bill" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) Blow to Creationists |
11 Aug 2004 08:33:46 PM |
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You know Dave, you're right. They always have to resort to these kind of
mindless, toddleresque tactics sooner or later. It's not like intelligent
people the world over haven't already realized that creationists have no
legitimate claims, but it's nice of them to demonstrate it so willingly for
anyone who still harbored any doubt. :-) In fact, Mad Scientist is giving
_such_ a good demonstration of how non-credible the creationist position really
is, one might think he's someone actually _trying_ to make the creationist
position look bad. Well, keep it up, MS, between you and Pastor Dave,
creationism doesn't stand a chance. :-)
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:51:49 GMT in alt.atheism, Mad Scientist
<alice@in.wonderland> defied the status quo and scrawled upon the toilet stall:
Another usenet sociopath cries out for help
Dave Oldridge wrote:
Mad Scientist <through@thelooking.glass> wrote in
news:LWgSc.21$Wt7.11@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com:
Budikka wrote:
Pastor Dave <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<2toeh09app4tklti9n4dkrs5skv6pdvqq5@4ax.com>...
He simply did not like my answers.
If you define "answers" as unsupported, childishly idiotic opinion
based on blind faith and nothing more, then you bet I don't like
them.
And like your responses are supposed to be 'reasoned'.
You've disastrously misled yourself into thinking you can overthrow
145 years of solid scientific support for the Theory of Evolution
There is not a single shred of 'solid scientific support; for
evolution whatsoever. Unless you call propaganda 'scientific'.
published regularly in refereed science journals from multiple
scientific disciplines, and do it with nothing more than a one-liner
in an Internet news group, and I won't let you do it. Learn to live
with it, Disaster Dave, because it is *NOT* going to go away. What
you creationist losers need to do is clean up your sour grapes
instead of misguidedly and tediously turning them into whine.
Budikka
ANother usenet psycho blows off some hot air.
Do keep this up. It's proving to all the lurkers that creationists are
mindless idiots without a shred of real evidence to support their silly
claims.
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| User: "Budikka" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) Blow to Creationists |
12 Aug 2004 10:52:54 PM |
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Mad Scientist <through@thelooking.glass> wrote in message news:<LWgSc.21$Wt7.11@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
If you define "answers" as unsupported, childishly idiotic opinion
based on blind faith and nothing more, then you bet I don't like them.
And like your responses are supposed to be 'reasoned'.
Like a mental case like you would understand "reason"! What a laugh.
You're nothing but a puppet for Disaster Dave, who is too big of a
hypocrite and a coward to even pretend he can begin to try and support
his empty blather - blather that mirrors your own precisely. That's
what's so funny. Neither of you can even begin to address the
incredible weight of evidence supporting evolution - evidence gleaned
by people of every faith, every creed, every culture, from every
nation on the planet for 145 years. So what;s left for you to do?
Whine, gripe, post unsupported empty-headed blather on Usenet and then
attack those who, unlike you, refuse to be a sheep indentured to a
4,000 year old Middle East myth.
You've disastrously misled yourself into thinking you can overthrow
145 years of solid scientific support for the Theory of Evolution
There is not a single shred of 'solid scientific support; for evolution
whatsoever. Unless you call propaganda 'scientific'.
Only a complete imbecile would post a lie like that and imagine it
might be believed by anyone with an ounce of intelligence. Another
unsupported statement from the creation camp, which is so blinded by
faith that it thinks simply saying something makes it true! What a
riot you are.
Do you think you're god, so that when you say something like "let
there be light" it happens? When you say "evolution has no evidence",
145 years of documented evidence will disappear, or something? What a
truly clueless blasphemer you are.
Let me smack you in your silly, slack-jawed face with one item of
evidence: the fossil record. The only intelligent and rational
interpretation of that is evolution. A global flood, which is
scientifically impossible, will not even pretend to begin explaining
the geologic column and the fossil record.
ANother usenet psycho blows off some hot air.
You sure do - and that sad thing is that's all you have, all you are,
and all you can ever hope to be.
Budikka
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| User: "A. Nudda Name" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) - Creationists claim scientists say DNA proves creation |
13 Aug 2004 01:10:30 AM |
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"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408121952.44afd583@posting.google.com...
You sure do - and that sad thing is that's all you have, all you are,
and all you can ever hope to be.
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Richmac has posted an URL (on ARJ-W) to a website saying that "scientists"
claim that DNA now proves we all came from the SAME man and woman. What's
the scoop on this new research? Any trustworthy URLs that you know of
covering these new discoveries?
--
NuName....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~ }<{{{{{Ò> ~~~~ }<((({ö> ~~~~
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) - Creationists claim scientists say DNA proves creation |
13 Aug 2004 01:51:07 AM |
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In article <l_-dnWzyMvrBxoHcRVn-jA@heartoftn.net>,
"A. Nudda Name" <free-the-JWS@this.net> wrote:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408121952.44afd583@posting.google.com...
You sure do - and that sad thing is that's all you have, all you are,
and all you can ever hope to be.
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Richmac has posted an URL (on ARJ-W) to a website saying that "scientists"
claim that DNA now proves we all came from the SAME man and woman. What's
the scoop on this new research? Any trustworthy URLs that you know of
covering these new discoveries?
Assuming that a generation is, on average, no more than 25 years, the
number of your ancestors, assuming no intermarriage among them, over a
period of 100,000 years would have to be more that 10^1500, a number
ending in 1500 zeroes. The present population of earth is on the close
order of 6,000,000,000, with only nine zeros
Since humanity, in some form, is now thought to be several times 100,000
years old, it is hardly a surprise that everyone will have a whole bunch
of ancestors in common.
As I understand it, mitochondrial DNA is inherited unchanged except by
mutation from one's maternal parent. Through so many generations, it is
reasonably certain, just by probability theory, that there are several
women common to everybody's maternal line of ancestry. Comparisons of
mitochondrial DNA bear this out.
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| User: "A. Nudda Name" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) - Creationists claim scientists say DNA proves creation |
13 Aug 2004 06:00:59 PM |
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-0C85E0.00510713082004@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
Assuming that a generation is, on average, no more than 25 years, the
number of your ancestors, assuming no intermarriage among them, over a
period of 100,000 years would have to be more that 10^1500, a number
ending in 1500 zeroes. The present population of earth is on the close
order of 6,000,000,000, with only nine zeros
Since humanity, in some form, is now thought to be several times 100,000
years old, it is hardly a surprise that everyone will have a whole bunch
of ancestors in common.
As I understand it, mitochondrial DNA is inherited unchanged except by
mutation from one's maternal parent. Through so many generations, it is
reasonably certain, just by probability theory, that there are several
women common to everybody's maternal line of ancestry. Comparisons of
mitochondrial DNA bear this out.
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Thank you for the information.
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NuName....
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/jw-book.html
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not
based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe."
~ Carl Sagan ~
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| User: "Virgil" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) - Creationists claim scientists say DNA proves creation |
13 Aug 2004 01:54:23 AM |
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In article <l_-dnWzyMvrBxoHcRVn-jA@heartoftn.net>,
"A. Nudda Name" <free-the-JWS@this.net> wrote:
"Budikka" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:e1e30450.0408121952.44afd583@posting.google.com...
You sure do - and that sad thing is that's all you have, all you are,
and all you can ever hope to be.
============================
Richmac has posted an URL (on ARJ-W) to a website saying that "scientists"
claim that DNA now proves we all came from the SAME man and woman. What's
the scoop on this new research? Any trustworthy URLs that you know of
covering these new discoveries?
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/ingman.htm
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| User: "A. Nudda Name" |
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| Title: Re: Another (Yawn) - Creationists claim scientists say DNA proves creation |
13 Aug 2004 06:03:54 PM |
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom#virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom%23virgil-C5223B.00542313082004@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/ingman.htm
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Seems this is not a valid URL at this time.
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NuName....
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
force for atheism ever conceived."
-= Isaac Asimov =-
~~~~ }<((((o> ~~~~ }<{{{{{Ò> ~~~~ }<((({ö> ~~~~
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