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"Bill Baker" |
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07 Apr 2005 10:55:06 AM |
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Anti-gay bigots in the minority in NY |
Majority In NYS Support Gay Marriage
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/040605nyPoll.htm
(New York City) Support in the state of New York for marriage for
same-sex couples increased over the past year according to a new poll.
The Global Strategy Group survey found that 51% of New Yorkers support
marriage for same-sex couples while 42% do not. A similar Global
Strategy Group poll conducted for the Pride Agenda last year in March
2004 found 47% in support of marriage and 46% opposed. Both surveys
were taken by Global for Empire State Pride Agenda, the state's LGBT
civil rights organization.
The new poll also showed that New Yorkers overwhelmingly believe that
same-sex couples should have the same rights and protections government
currently grants opposite-sex couples through marriage.
Favorable response rates on questions about specific rights ranged from
72% in support of providing child custody rights to 83% in favor of
providing legal authority to make decisions about a deceased partner's
burial. Seventy-two percent (72%) of New Yorkers also favored civil
unions and domestic partner arrangements as avenues to provide legal
rights to same-sex couples.
"These findings confirm that New Yorkers are fair people who understand
that equality applies to everyone. This is good news for same-sex
couples and their families," said Empire State Pride Agenda Executive
Director Alan Van Capelle.
"The other good news in this year's poll numbers is that the national
attack campaign being conducted against our families by the
conservative and religious right does not appear to be fooling anyone
here in New York. Despite a year of persistent nation-wide attack, New
Yorkers are not retreating from their support for our families."
Van Capelle attributed much of the growing to support to a growing
visibility of same-sex couples. New Yorkers have traveled to
Massachusetts to marry and hundreds more to Canada.
"New Yorkers are seeing firsthand that life does not change when
same-sex couples are allowed to marry," Van Capelle said.
"The only lives that are changed are those of same-sex couples who got
married and now have more of the rights and protections they need to
take care of their families. The doomsday scenarios about same-sex
marriage being spun by the conservative and religious right are simply
not true and New Yorkers are not falling for them."
On poll questions about various rights and protections that government
gives to those who marry and whether same-sex couples should have
access to them, Van Capelle said, "The poll clearly shows there is
overwhelming support for our families having access to these rights and
protections. When 72% to 83% of New Yorkers give a resounding "Yes" to
our families having child custody rights, medical decision-making
authority, burial authority, health, pension and inheritance rights,
there is no longer anything left to debate in New York. Family equality
is a non-partisan issue and it is time for elected officials in Albany
to hear what their constituents are saying and take action so that our
families can have the same rights and protections others have."
On the overarching question of marriage for same-sex couples, Van
Capelle said, "New York continues to move in the right direction on
marriage. The increase in support this year over last year for the
right of same-sex couples to marry tells us that New Yorkers are
listening and thinking about this issue and are recognizing more and
more that access to marriage is about equality and protections for real
families."
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-gay bigots in the minority in NY |
07 Apr 2005 01:09:20 PM |
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So what? Lot and the other righteous were in the minority in Sodom. We all
know the outcome of that...
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:1112871306.926627.24500@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Majority In NYS Support Gay Marriage
http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/04/040605nyPoll.htm
(New York City) Support in the state of New York for marriage for
same-sex couples increased over the past year according to a new poll.
The Global Strategy Group survey found that 51% of New Yorkers support
marriage for same-sex couples while 42% do not. A similar Global
Strategy Group poll conducted for the Pride Agenda last year in March
2004 found 47% in support of marriage and 46% opposed. Both surveys
were taken by Global for Empire State Pride Agenda, the state's LGBT
civil rights organization.
The new poll also showed that New Yorkers overwhelmingly believe that
same-sex couples should have the same rights and protections government
currently grants opposite-sex couples through marriage.
Favorable response rates on questions about specific rights ranged from
72% in support of providing child custody rights to 83% in favor of
providing legal authority to make decisions about a deceased partner's
burial. Seventy-two percent (72%) of New Yorkers also favored civil
unions and domestic partner arrangements as avenues to provide legal
rights to same-sex couples.
"These findings confirm that New Yorkers are fair people who understand
that equality applies to everyone. This is good news for same-sex
couples and their families," said Empire State Pride Agenda Executive
Director Alan Van Capelle.
"The other good news in this year's poll numbers is that the national
attack campaign being conducted against our families by the
conservative and religious right does not appear to be fooling anyone
here in New York. Despite a year of persistent nation-wide attack, New
Yorkers are not retreating from their support for our families."
Van Capelle attributed much of the growing to support to a growing
visibility of same-sex couples. New Yorkers have traveled to
Massachusetts to marry and hundreds more to Canada.
"New Yorkers are seeing firsthand that life does not change when
same-sex couples are allowed to marry," Van Capelle said.
"The only lives that are changed are those of same-sex couples who got
married and now have more of the rights and protections they need to
take care of their families. The doomsday scenarios about same-sex
marriage being spun by the conservative and religious right are simply
not true and New Yorkers are not falling for them."
On poll questions about various rights and protections that government
gives to those who marry and whether same-sex couples should have
access to them, Van Capelle said, "The poll clearly shows there is
overwhelming support for our families having access to these rights and
protections. When 72% to 83% of New Yorkers give a resounding "Yes" to
our families having child custody rights, medical decision-making
authority, burial authority, health, pension and inheritance rights,
there is no longer anything left to debate in New York. Family equality
is a non-partisan issue and it is time for elected officials in Albany
to hear what their constituents are saying and take action so that our
families can have the same rights and protections others have."
On the overarching question of marriage for same-sex couples, Van
Capelle said, "New York continues to move in the right direction on
marriage. The increase in support this year over last year for the
right of same-sex couples to marry tells us that New Yorkers are
listening and thinking about this issue and are recognizing more and
more that access to marriage is about equality and protections for real
families."
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-gay bigots in the minority in NY |
07 Apr 2005 01:26:17 PM |
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<anti@sodom.com> wrote
So what? Lot and the other righteous were
in the minority in Sodom.
Sodom, huh? Don't tell me, that was the city which
was "exactly where the bible said it would be," yet
to took over 100 years to find.
That's it, right?
There was no Sodom. The story is nothing more than
a parable, exactly like the hundreds of other
parables found throughout the bible.
That's why not a single other culture mentions an
entire city being destroyed via supernatural means.
There was nothing to mention. There was no reason
for them to be concerned.
Seriously. Exploding cities are noteworthy. Honest.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-gay bigots in the minority in NY |
07 Apr 2005 02:13:52 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ZOdnYseDZhjr8jfRVn-3w@comcast.com...
<anti@sodom.com> wrote
So what? Lot and the other righteous were
in the minority in Sodom.
Sodom, huh? Don't tell me, that was the city which
was "exactly where the bible said it would be," yet
to took over 100 years to find.
That's it, right?
There was no Sodom.
Archaeologists prove you wrong.
I am glad to educate you again.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-gay bigots in the minority in NY |
08 Apr 2005 01:18:54 AM |
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"Sir Marksman" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote
Sodom, huh? Don't tell me, that was the city which
was "exactly where the bible said it would be," yet
to took over 100 years to find.
That's it, right?
There was no Sodom.
Archaeologists prove you wrong.
Nope.
Claim #1: "The city is exactly where the bible said it
should be."
Not true. If it were, it wouldn't have taken 100 years to
find it, now would it? But, then again, it's not like the
bible gives precise map coordinates anyway, so you
know they're lying before even examination this claim.
Claim #2: "The city found (only after 100 years of
so-called 'biblical archaeologists' searching)
is named 'Sodom'."
Well, no. There is no name associated with any city
presently being pawned off as "Sodom." The identification
comes from the bible, not scientific efforts, and not scientists.
To demonstrate the problem here, let's say that [person X]
is accused of a murder, and let's defend [person X] using the
exact same argument the 'biblical archaeologists' use to identify
some ancient remains as "Sodom".
| [Person X] insists that the murder victim wasn't murdered, but,
| in fact, they had committed suicide.
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| If the victim had committed suicide -- and that's what
| [person X] says -- that proves [person X] has to be
| innocent.
The "Sodom" claims are exactly identical to the above argument.
* The bible claims that there's a city named Sodom that was
destroyed by God.
* This city has to be Sodom (though it was destroyed by an
earthquake), because the bible says there has to be a city. so
that proves the bible was right.
So the argument is that the bible somehow "Proves" Sodom,
and that this "Sodom" then "Proves" the bible.
It's exactly like the example of the accused murderer I offered.
First the murderer simply claims that the victim committed
suicide. Next the murderer pretends that his claim is somehow
a statement of fact, and then uses the make-pretend "Fact" of
the suicide to "Prove" he couldn't be a murderer.
HTH.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
08 Apr 2005 02:20:09 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yIGdnVIwK_6eR8jfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
"Sir Marksman" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote
Sodom, huh? Don't tell me, that was the city which
was "exactly where the bible said it would be," yet
to took over 100 years to find.
That's it, right?
There was no Sodom.
Archaeologists prove you wrong.
Nope.
Yup.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
08 Apr 2005 03:01:32 AM |
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"Sir Marksman" <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> wrote
Archaeologists prove you wrong.
Nope.
Yup.
I'm sorry, closet case, but you're confusing "biblical
archaeologists" with "Archaeologists."
One is a scientist while the other INSISTS that they've
got all the answers BEFORE they ever begin.
Archaeologists follow the same rules as all the other
scientific fields. They may begin with a theory, but
their conclusions are based on the facts they uncover.
"Biblical archaeologists" start with a conclusion. There
is nothing that could disprove this conclusions according
to them, no amount of evidence can change their idea of
"Facts."
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
08 Apr 2005 09:39:08 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CZednUfGcoKMb8jfRVn-gw@comcast.com...
"Sir Marksman" <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> wrote
Archaeologists prove you wrong.
Nope.
Yup.
I'm sorry,
I know you are sorry too.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
08 Apr 2005 01:46:48 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> wrote
I know you are sorry too.
I deeply regret that you're an emotionally disturbed
closet case.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
08 Apr 2005 03:41:19 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CZednUfGcoKMb8jfRVn-gw@comcast.com...
"Sir Marksman" <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> wrote
Archaeologists prove you wrong.
Nope.
Yup.
I'm sorry,
I know you are sorry too.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
09 Apr 2005 06:43:45 AM |
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"Sir Marksman" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote
I know you are sorry too.
That's really going out on the limb, seeing how I have
already repeatedly told you how bad I feel about you
being an emotionally disturbed closet case.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
09 Apr 2005 11:52:46 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Q6qdndICiJw36srfRVn-pA@comcast.com...
"Sir Marksman" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote
I know you are sorry too.
That's really going out on the limb,
I know you are sorry too.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
09 Apr 2005 12:37:39 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> wrote
I know you are sorry too.
This really looses a little something, after the third time.
Too bad.
Normally I expect more from you emotionally disturbed
closet cases.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
09 Apr 2005 07:58:38 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6v2dneqShJYKV8rfRVn-ig@comcast.com...
"Sir Marksman" <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> wrote
I know you are sorry too.
This really looses a little something, after the third time.
Then stop being sorry.
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
10 Apr 2005 12:46:58 AM |
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"Sir Marksman" <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> wrote
Then stop being sorry.
But you're so pathetic, how does one stop feeling
sorry for you emotionally disturbed closet cases?
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
10 Apr 2005 12:48:04 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
But you're so pathetic,
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Cheers LIEberal scum!
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| User: "Choose God!" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
10 Apr 2005 09:50:37 AM |
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"Sir Marksman" <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> wrote
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Make-pretend heterosexual "Sir Marksman" has posted more
than 2,000 messages to JUST ONE gay newsgroup, since
March 10th of this year. That is according to the Google
archives.
Consider it "substantiated," by dear closet case.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
10 Apr 2005 10:31:02 AM |
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"Choose God!" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3cGdnU9A6JBtacXfRVn-tQ@comcast.com...
"Sir Marksman" <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> wrote
Classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim.
Make-pretend heterosexual "Sir Marksman" has posted more
than 2,000 messages to JUST ONE gay newsgroup, since
March 10th of this year. That is according to the Google
archives.
Consider it "substantiated," by dear closet case.
Cheers gay boy!
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
10 Apr 2005 10:51:41 AM |
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"Sir Marksman" <kurt_lochner@hotmail.com> wrote
Cheers gay boy!
....said the closet case, after posting more than
2,000 messages to a gay newsgroup in a month.
Find yourself a man and bend over for him. Quick.
You obviously need it.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 11:36:08 AM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I am a closet gay.
Why don't you just admit to everyone that you are gay?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 12:12:42 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote
So I make Michael Jackson look like a prude. So what?
You're one sick mother fucker, let me tell you....
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 12:11:45 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
So I make Michael Jackson look like a prude. So what?
Are you afraid to admit you are gay?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 12:37:44 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote
I'm afraid to admit that I am gay.
Well, in one sense you already have admitted it.
There's your more than 2,000 postings to a gay newsgroup
per month, for example.
As pathetic & laughable as you are, you can't tell us
that you aren't obsessed with gay people, with keeping
yourself in constant contact with gay men.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 02:41:11 PM |
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"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I'm afraid to admit that I am gay.
Why are you afraid to admit you are gay?
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 02:55:07 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote
Why am I afraid to admit that I'm gay?
I don't know. But with posting more than 2,000 messages
to a gay newsgroup every month, it's not like everybody
doesn't already know.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 02:49:26 PM |
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cowardly demoncrap "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
Why am I afraid to admit that I'm gay?
Why are you afraid to admit you are gay?
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Abominations and LIEberals must be exposed!
Funny quote from Bill BaKKKer <wbaker@postini.com> : I am an abomination and I can't stop antagonizing Sir Marksman!
Another funny quote from Bill BaKKKer: I can't stop SPAMMING and harassing other posters, because I have no life!
Watch Fascist Hatemonger and Bigot craig chilton aka james keegan antagonize!
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."
Peter Brimelow, Alien Nation (1996)
Disgusting quote from Craig Chilton "Just like all other good providers of abortion services, Tiller is
a true American HERO!" 02/08/05
Max Varazslo posting as Bill BaKKKer: "I am in love with you Sir Marksman!" 2/27/05
"Holocaust was greatly exaggerated and you know it. Another monster lie
from the gover-media." - Judy Diarya, AKA "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend"
Library of Usenet Madness
http://www.twhi.org/Library/library_usenet_madness.htm
See "Abortion is Your Time Machine" - a Craig Chilton classic
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 02:59:58 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <wbaker@postini.com> wrote
Why am I afraid to admit that I am gay?
It's because you're a *****.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 02:52:16 PM |
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cowardly demoncrap "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
Why am I afraid to admit that I'm gay?
Why are you afraid to admit you are gay?
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Abominations and LIEberals must be exposed!
Funny quote from Bill BaKKKer <wbaker@postini.com> : I am an abomination and I can't stop antagonizing Sir Marksman!
Another funny quote from Bill BaKKKer: I can't stop SPAMMING and harassing other posters, because I have no life!
Watch Fascist Hatemonger and Bigot craig chilton aka james keegan antagonize!
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."
Peter Brimelow, Alien Nation (1996)
Disgusting quote from Craig Chilton "Just like all other good providers of abortion services, Tiller is
a true American HERO!" 02/08/05
Max Varazslo posting as Bill BaKKKer: "I am in love with you Sir Marksman!" 2/27/05
"Holocaust was greatly exaggerated and you know it. Another monster lie
from the gover-media." - Judy Diarya, AKA "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend"
Library of Usenet Madness
http://www.twhi.org/Library/library_usenet_madness.htm
See "Abortion is Your Time Machine" - a Craig Chilton classic
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 03:02:57 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <wbaker@postini.com> wrote
Why am I afraid to admit that I'm gay?
It's because you're a *****.
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| User: "Sir Marksman" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 02:55:28 PM |
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cowardly demoncrap "JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote:
Why am I afraid to admit that I'm gay?
Why are you afraid to admit you are gay?
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Abominations and LIEberals must be exposed!
Funny quote from Bill BaKKKer <wbaker@postini.com> : I am an abomination and I can't stop antagonizing Sir Marksman!
Another funny quote from Bill BaKKKer: I can't stop SPAMMING and harassing other posters, because I have no life!
Watch Fascist Hatemonger and Bigot craig chilton aka james keegan antagonize!
"The modern definition of a racist: someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."
Peter Brimelow, Alien Nation (1996)
Disgusting quote from Craig Chilton "Just like all other good providers of abortion services, Tiller is
a true American HERO!" 02/08/05
Max Varazslo posting as Bill BaKKKer: "I am in love with you Sir Marksman!" 2/27/05
"Holocaust was greatly exaggerated and you know it. Another monster lie
from the gover-media." - Judy Diarya, AKA "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend"
Library of Usenet Madness
http://www.twhi.org/Library/library_usenet_madness.htm
See "Abortion is Your Time Machine" - a Craig Chilton classic
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: gay bigots in the majority in NY |
11 Apr 2005 03:08:33 PM |
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"Sir Marksman" <wbaker@postini.com> mistakenly wrote
Why am I afraid to admit that I'm gay?
It's because you're a *****. Now don't ask again.
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